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#51 | KamikazePotato | Posted 10/28/2011 7:18:42 AM | message detail
Ganondorf and Zelda are the two biggest leeches in contest history. Absolutely no one likes them as anything more than their foils to Link. Bowser has some dedicated fans of his own, but Ganondorf? It's hard to see him adding virtually anything to that rivalry.

This is also the only reason why Link/Ganon vs. Cloud/Sephy is debatable (and even the, gotta side with Link).
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#52 | The Mana Sword | Posted 10/28/2011 7:22:31 AM | message detail
doesn't swift like ganondorf

I think HM does too

not that this means anything, but still!
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#53 | ZFS | Posted 10/28/2011 7:28:43 AM | message detail
Ganon is awesome.
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#54 | Justin_Crossing | Posted 10/28/2011 7:30:54 AM | message detail
i still hate the glados alucard shepard frog division
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#55 | pjbasis | Posted 10/28/2011 7:42:17 AM | message detail
Why is it not Ryu vs. Ken Masters?
#56 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 10/28/2011 8:43:44 AM | message detail
creativename | Posted 10/28/2011 4:07:48 AM | message detail | quote
The "chemistry" aspect is mildly interesting. So assuming that Ganon wins for "Least useful partner" - the partner who adds the least to the team strength - who is the second most useless? Ridley? And are there any partners with negative "chemistry", who could conceivably make the team weaker than the stronger character by himself?


We got a small look into the rivalry aspect with the first vote-in poll:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4480

Yuna actually lost to Banjo and it's been blamed on her partner Seymour for dragging down the rivalry as a whole. Since that was a 12-way poll, it's hard to say if this will carry over to the actual contest.
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#57 | creativename | Posted 10/28/2011 9:46:05 AM | message detail
I see that Big Boss vs. The Boss is a significant favorite over Tidus vs. Jecht. Is this because of Big Boss' presumed strength?

My first instinct was to go with Tidus vs. Jecht there because I think it will get a rivalry boost higher than normal, though having any faith in Tidus is probably never a good idea...
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#58 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 10/28/2011 10:11:27 AM | message detail
Yeah. 2010's Sub-Zero/Tidus and Sub-Zero/Samus project Tidus to get around 30% on Samus, whereas Big Boss got 37% on Mario without even getting a Naked Snake picture. Since this contest it'll always be Big Boss in the context of his rivalry with The Boss, he should have Naked Snake pictures the entire contest.
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#59 | Haste_2 | Posted 10/28/2011 10:59:01 AM | message detail
It's true that Ganondorf is a relatively weak Link-leecher, but I think the strength of the game/series will be much more meaningful in this contest compared to other character contests. If you put Link/Ganondorf against Cloud/Sephiroth, some voters will be seeing "Zelda vs. Final Fantasy" or "Zelda: Ocarina of Time vs. Final Fantasy VII", and we all know who gets the advantage in that factor.

Still, it feels like too me Cloud/Sephiroth should beat them with relative ease...
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#60 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/28/2011 11:13:44 AM | message detail

From: creativename | #057
I see that Big Boss vs. The Boss is a significant favorite over Tidus vs. Jecht. Is this because of Big Boss' presumed strength?

My first instinct was to go with Tidus vs. Jecht there because I think it will get a rivalry boost higher than normal, though having any faith in Tidus is probably never a good idea...


The problem is that Big Boss/The Boss is perceived as a good rivalry in its own right, so I doubt whatever boost Tidus/Jecht gets as a rivalry will be enough to offset the Bosses.

I would imagine "Rivalry Rumble" will be what is plastered on the polls, since that's the official name of the contest.
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#61 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/28/2011 11:20:38 AM | message detail
Link should approach or exceed 50% against both Cloud and Seph in a 3-way poll. He got almost 45% on Cloud and Snake in 2006, and he would have done better had Snake been replaced with Sephiroth (AND that poll did little to mobilize the Nintendo fanbase because Link was never in danger).

If you want to consider the actual rivalries, then Cloud/Seph have FFVII and maybe Kingdom Hearts II if you want to stretch things a little. Link/Ganon have OoT (let's all admit that Ganon was a pretty beastly villain in that game), WW, TP, LttP, and LoZ. Yes, the relationship between Cloud/Seph is more powerful than Link/Ganon have forged in any singular game, but it's not nearly as historic a relationship. Ganon has been the main villain in half a dozen Zelda games.
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#62 | Greyfeld | Posted 10/28/2011 11:41:40 AM | message detail
PartOfYourWorld posted...
Link should approach or exceed 50% against both Cloud and Seph in a 3-way poll. He got almost 45% on Cloud and Snake in 2006, and he would have done better had Snake been replaced with Sephiroth (AND that poll did little to mobilize the Nintendo fanbase because Link was never in danger).

If you want to consider the actual rivalries, then Cloud/Seph have FFVII and maybe Kingdom Hearts II if you want to stretch things a little. Link/Ganon have OoT (let's all admit that Ganon was a pretty beastly villain in that game), WW, TP, LttP, and LoZ. Yes, the relationship between Cloud/Seph is more powerful than Link/Ganon have forged in any singular game, but it's not nearly as historic a relationship. Ganon has been the main villain in half a dozen Zelda games.


And let's not forget that Cloud and Sephiroth both pull a ton of anti-votes. Having them both in the same voting slot is going to create a massive black hole of anti-voting.
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#63 | abdou | Posted 10/28/2011 11:56:58 AM | message detail
people who anti vote cloud/seph are the ones who always vote for Link. That's why cloud usually looks very disappointing against everyone and then does better than expected against Link.
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#64 | Haste_2 | Posted 10/28/2011 12:53:46 PM | message detail
Yeah, it truly is sad how little there is to discuss.

Speaking of Tidus/Jecht vs. Big Boss/The Boss, the former at least is representative of the stronger game, which means something. Imagine if Tidus and Big Boss were exactly equal for a moment. Then, add partners that are equally helpful to each of them. I'm quite sure Tidus would now have the advantage because, you know, the match is one step closer to "Final Fantasy X vs. Metal Gear Solid 3".

What would you say are the Top 16 rivalries, strength-wise?
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#65 | Greyfeld | Posted 10/28/2011 1:01:36 PM | message detail
I don't really care about the Tidus match, I already know how that's going to end up. I'm more curious about how the Bosses are going to fair against Samus/Ridley.
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#66 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/28/2011 1:06:24 PM | message detail
Well, The Boss is the weakest character in the match here, but she's closer to Tidus and Jecht than they are to Big Boss.

It may end up being fairly close, but I don't like Tidus/Jecht's chances here.
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#67 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/28/2011 1:11:49 PM | message detail

From: Haste_2 | #064
What would you say are the Top 16 rivalries, strength-wise?


Let's see, broken up into two tiers, I'd guess...

Link/Ganondorf
Cloud/Sephiroth
Mario/Bowser
Solid/Liquid
X/Zero
Samus/Ridley
Mega Man/Dr. Wily
Sonic/Dr. Robotnik

I wouldn't pick the top five teams to lose against anyone else in the bracket. I'd have trouble picking between the Samus/Mega Man/Sonic teams, and they may be vulnerable against the teams in the lower tier.

Ryu/Ken
Sub-Zero/Scorpion
Squall/Seifer
Kirby/Meta Knight
Sora/Riku
Crono/Lavos
Big Boss/The Boss
Pokemon Trainer Red/Blue

I considered putting Luigi/Waluigi, silly as it sounds. I also wasn't sure whether to include both Chrono Trigger teams, one, or neither. Crono/Lavos are obviously wasted.
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#68 | Master Moltar | Posted 10/28/2011 1:15:24 PM | message detail
hey guys

first batch of guest sign-ups for the crew are up

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60804630
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#69 | Haste_2 | Posted 10/28/2011 2:18:31 PM | message detail
I will go....

Tier 1:
Cloud/Sephiroth (I'm a crazy man!)
Link/Ganondorf
Mario/Bowser

Tier 2:
Solid/Liquid
X/Zero

Everyone else:
Squall/Seifer
Mega Man/Dr. Wily
Samus/Ridley
Sonic/Dr. Robotnik
Crono/Lavos
Ryu/Ken
Sora/Riku
Sub-Zero/Scorpion
Kirby/Meta Knight
Alucard/Dracula
Frog/Magus ('cause I said so!)

Missed the cut:
Big Boss/The Boss

About Squall/Seifer.... - I'm sure I'm too high here, but Seifer probably wins the award for "most useful partner" compared to the partner's strength by itself. And there's one big reason: FFVIII's intro.
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#70 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/28/2011 10:11:57 PM | message detail

From: creativename | #057
I see that Big Boss vs. The Boss is a significant favorite over Tidus vs. Jecht. Is this because of Big Boss' presumed strength?

My first instinct was to go with Tidus vs. Jecht there because I think it will get a rivalry boost higher than normal, though having any faith in Tidus is probably never a good idea...


Boss/Boss have a way better rivalry. Tidus/Jecht is all "Wahhhh, he called me a poopy head"
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#71 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/28/2011 10:52:52 PM | message detail
Bacon put up the "Hurry up and get your brackets filled out by Wednesday!" notice on the front page.

Almost contest time, but it sure doesn't feel like it. Least hyped contest ever.
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#72 | Justin_Crossing | Posted 10/28/2011 11:15:17 PM | message detail
I haven't touched my bracket in like 3 weeks
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#73 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 10/28/2011 11:23:48 PM | message detail
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#74 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/28/2011 11:24:40 PM | message detail
#75 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 10/28/2011 11:26:54 PM | message detail
why thank you leon

I took extra time picking out a squall picture for you and everything

(no really I took you into consideration)
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#76 | red sox 777 | Posted 10/28/2011 11:31:27 PM | message detail
Link/Ganon vs. Cloud/Sephiroth really should be the most debated match here. Link/Ganon seem to be a heavy favorite on this board because of (1) fear and (2) Skyward Sword. But as someone who's never missed Link/Cloud in a bracket before and thus never gotten burned on it, let's do this Cloud/Sephiroth!
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#77 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/28/2011 11:41:23 PM | message detail

From: ZenOfThunder | #075
why thank you leon

I took extra time picking out a squall picture for you and everything

(no really I took you into consideration)


I'm surprised taking me into consideration didn't result in Smilin' Squall and Smilin' Seifer!
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#78 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 10/28/2011 11:42:41 PM | message detail
I did see them on google and was tempted! but I figured "let's make leon hate me less" is better than "die slowly due to beams of hate shot at me through the internet"
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#79 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/28/2011 11:46:16 PM | message detail
Well, I appreciate you being considerate of my feelings.
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#80 | Justin_Crossing | Posted 10/28/2011 11:54:14 PM | message detail

From: ZenOfThunder | #075
why thank you leon

I took extra time picking out a squall picture for you and everything

(no really I took you into consideration)


not having edgeworth in an objection position is downright shameful

going to cry myself to sleep tonight
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#81 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 10/28/2011 11:54:21 PM | message detail
awww leon you are good people
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#82 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 10/28/2011 11:55:01 PM | message detail
man if I had edgeworth objecting then he and wright would be touching fingers behind the logo

"not a single f*** was given" edgey is boss
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#83 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 10/29/2011 12:44:37 AM | message detail
On October 31st, there will be a "Which scheduled November release are you most looking forward to?" poll. That will be interesting, as Skyward Sword and Skyrim will be in the same poll for the second time. Last time, Skyward Sword lost to Skyrim, so it will be interesting if Skyward Sword can reverse the result after having more time to build up hype for the game.
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#84 | HaRRicH | Posted 10/29/2011 8:22:41 AM | message detail
There will also be fewer options, which seems to help Nintendo-options at times. B:AC, BF3, and Dark Souls won't be eligible anymore for Monday's poll, though Uncharted 3 should make a good splash in their place.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4454

LoZ:SS has been hyped more since that poll, but it's still quite the distance at a tough time for a Wii-game to gain traction. I expect Skyrim to win the hype-poll again (saying nothing of GotY yet).
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#85 | Justin_Crossing | Posted 10/29/2011 11:59:30 AM | message detail | (edited)
I really really want to keep my Kirby vs. Meta Knight > Sonic vs. Robotnik result

BUT I DONT KNOW WHAT I SHOULD DO

ALL LOGIC SAYS SONIC BUT GUT SAYS KIRBY
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#86 | Justin_Crossing | Posted 10/29/2011 11:59:14 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3800

allen messed up and it says the poll was submitted by ngirl not the picture

ownt
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#87 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/29/2011 12:00:25 PM | message detail
Hopefully Sonic Generations and Uncharted 3 will actually be in the poll this time.
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#88 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/29/2011 12:01:12 PM | message detail

From: Justin_Crossing | #085
ALL LOGIC SAYS SONIC BUT GUT SAYS KIRBY


I'm guessing you've been eating some bad Mexican food or something lately if your gut is telling you Kirby.
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#89 | Justin_Crossing | Posted 10/29/2011 12:07:49 PM | message detail
ew mexican food

mexican food is gross
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#90 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 10/29/2011 12:12:26 PM | message detail
Hopefully Sonic Generations and Uncharted 3 will actually be in the poll this time.

Uncharted 3 should be in the poll. As for Sonic Generations, I'm not too confident on that one. Bacon screws over the Sonic games when it comes to GotY polls and upcoming game polls. This is the last time we saw a Sonic game in any poll outside of the contests:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3409

And that was back in 2009.
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#91 | jonthomson | Posted 10/29/2011 3:26:34 PM | message detail
i'm blatantly going to forget to submit a guru bracket at this rate
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#92 | Greyfeld | Posted 10/29/2011 3:42:14 PM | message detail
Will the third episode of The Show air before the tournament starts?
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#93 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/29/2011 3:42:37 PM | message detail
The third episode is supposed to air right before the contest begins, yes.
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#94 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 10/29/2011 4:21:33 PM | message detail | (edited)
How long before the matches begin do the first batch of pics come up?

I also think that Sonic will easily make this poll... this is my guess on the games, assuming there are 10 games:

Modern Warfare 3
Sonic Generations
Skyrim
Skyward Sword
Uncharted 3
Super Mario 3D Land
Assassins Creed Revelations
Saints Row 3
Need for Speed: The Run
Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3
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#95 | Radix | Posted 10/29/2011 8:25:44 PM | message detail
When's the guru going up? I know there's been some topics on it but I always seem to miss the answer :/
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#96 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/29/2011 8:26:17 PM | message detail
Monday.
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#97 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/29/2011 11:08:49 PM | message detail | (edited)

From: FateStayAlbion | #094
How long before the matches begin do the first batch of pics come up?


Been checking a couple times a day. I'm guessing Monday since Bacon hardly ever updates during weekends. If he's doing stuff on Halloween, we may not get any pics up until Tuesday (aka just a few hours before the first match). I've been checking at this URL:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/images/rr/rr-01.jpg
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#98 | NewerShadow | Posted 10/29/2011 11:30:26 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | Posted: 10/30/2011 1:08:49 AM | #097
Been checking a couple times a day. I'm guessing Monday since Bacon hardly ever updates during weekends. If he's doing stuff on Halloween, we may not get any pics up until Tuesday (aka just a few hours before the first match). I've been checking at this URL:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/images/rr/rr-01.jpg


Considering the contest banner's image is here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/images/rivals/rivals.jpg, personally I'd try this:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/images/rivals/rivals-01.jpg

Mainly because it looks like Bacon already has the directory name set up as 'rivals' rather than 'rr'.
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#99 | Justin_Crossing | Posted 10/29/2011 11:37:07 PM | message detail
I have a feeling there won't be a singular guru winner this year.

This bracket is so cookie-cutter except for Phoenix's Div.
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#100 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/30/2011 12:52:07 AM | message detail
I dunno, there are still some tough matches. Two divisions have wide open winners. We all know that Phoenix's is a deathtrap, but the Pokemon Trainer division is also really tough. The Street Fighter games are weak, Ken is pretty weak, and Ryu is still probably a bit weaker than Luigi. There is a chance that Ryu and Ken bomb, sad as it may be. Add to that the uncertainty of Nintendo SFF (we just saw Pokemon drop an SFF match in the last contest), and you can conceivably have Luigi and Waluigi taking that division.

Conversely, if Ryu and Ken BEAST IT and, say, even challenge Samus, what's to stop Sub-Zero and Scorpion from doing the same? X and Zero aren't completely safe against the MK ninjas. Cloud/Sephiroth have a slight chance at both toppling Link or failing spectacularly against Snake. Squall, who is nearly a 100% favorite to win his division, has a partner we've never even seen before. Sora/Riku vs. Dante/Vergil is a tough match (remember that Ultimate MvC3 features both Dante and Vergil), and I wouldn't be surprised if the winner there gives Squall some trouble.

Overall, there's plenty of opportunity for B8 to get egg all over its face, and I'd say that's pretty good for a 63-match contest that's far closer to a 1v1 than it is to 4ways.
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