GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1007
I never got an answer to my last question :P Samus/Ridley, or the Bosses? For that matter, Ryu/Ken or the Bosses? --- PSN - Aevio BlackMageJawa - "I'm on a Goomba." |
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I'd go with Samus/Ridley. -Samus is stronger than Big Boss. -Ridley is stronger than The Boss. -Metroid Prime isn't too much weaker than MGS3 (or perhaps not weaker at all if Fallout 3/Brawl was legit). -Samus/Ridley have a lot more exposure in general. It helps Big Boss some that he's near-guaranteed a Naked Snake picture, but that still likely won't come close to covering the gap. It seems to me that you'd be relying on the quality of the rivalry an awful lot to pick the Bosses there, and it's a rivalry that's from a single game that's not even elite. And well...Samus is almost as strong as Solid Snake and might actually beat Snake if it's true that he still loses Nintendo voters against real Nintendo characters. It's asking a lot for the format change to allow Big Boss to do as well against Samus as Solid Snake would be expected to in a normal contest. --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] |
This is an interesting poll. Blue > Red > Green let's go. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls BOP Topic: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60566352 |
Fairly good vote totals so far. Too early to say if this poll will break 60000 votes, but it probably will. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
Green has some rallying to do. --- LM |
BLAAAAAAACK --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/25z1non.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Black's doing better than I expected of it. I figured Blue would be winning this and I didn't expect Green to be beating Red. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
I wouldn't expect Black to get so badly handled by anything. Blue's a beast. --- Yoblazer: http://oi52.tinypic.com/ad21i1.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Besides Green in 2nd I'm surprised at Purple's performance. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls BOP Topic: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60566352 |
Dat royal purple! Brown is such rubbish; I tell you these fools who nominate terrible things, GET THIS FODDER OUTTA MY CONTEST. Also white is getting LFF'd by everything; how is that fair. --- "Getting lucky 100% of the time... it's called PRO SKILL." -BlAcK TuRtLe |
Today, Blue continues its rivalry with Red...watch out, Luigi/Waluigi! --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
Black is about to complete a comeback against Red in this poll. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
Huh, I had no idea black was such a popular color. --- http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7760/222bj.jpg |
LeonhartFour posted... Huh, I had no idea black was such a popular color. it's dat japan vote --- PSN - Aevio BlackMageJawa - "I'm on a Goomba." |
Black
is going crazy with the night vote. It's gained over 1% in the past
hour. I guess Europe and Asia could be blamed on this. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
Random
thought: Kerrigan/Raynor probably make Red/Blue look 'bad' in Round 1.
They actually did pretty good in the vote-ins (compared to what they
were before), getting close to Gordon and only getting doubled by Crono.
People might go into that match expecting a tripling because Kerrigan
has been previously awful and be disappointed when it doesn't happen. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
You're
right, but they still lost to Freeman/Breen and got doubled by
Crono/Lavos - if Red/Blue are going to live up to the bill they
shouldn't be struggling to reach the high 60s, at least. --- Praise the Black Turtle, Game of the Decade Guru Champ. (Well, I never promised creativity, did I?!) |
I'd easily take Crono/Lavos over Red/Blue, so I don't think doing like low 60s would be that bad. --- http://pixelatedgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/header-fate-zero.jpg http://myanimelist.net/signature/RyanSaotome.png |
You kinda just proved my point. Crono
barely broke 67% on them. Would you expect Red/Blue to get high 60s on
Gordon/Breen? Because them and Raynor/Kerrigan look to be close. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
But
would you take Crono/Lavos > Ryu/Ken, or Crono/Lavos >
Samus/Ridley? Plenty of people think Red/Blue will win one or both of
those matches. (I have Ryu/Ken > Red/Blue, for the record.) --- Praise the Black Turtle, Game of the Decade Guru Champ. (Well, I never promised creativity, did I?!) |
Kotetsu534 posted... But would you take Crono/Lavos > Ryu/Ken, or Crono/Lavos > Samus/Ridley? Plenty of people think Red/Blue will win one or both of those matches. (I have Ryu/Ken > Red/Blue, for the record.) No, but I think that Red/Blue are being really overrated. Red = Ocelot. I don't see how adding Blue makes them that much stronger. I'd imagine Ryu/Ken get about 60% on them if they make it, but I don't think they even make it past Luigi. --- http://pixelatedgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/header-fate-zero.jpg http://myanimelist.net/signature/RyanSaotome.png |
Anyone who takes Red>Samus is kind of insane. I'd probably take Crono/Lavos>Ryu/Ken, though. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Even
if rivalry factor turns out to be huge Red would still require a huge
boost to reach Samus or even Ryu who probably would also get such a
boost with Ken. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls BOP Topic: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60566352 |
Red isn't that far below Ryu- 38% on MMX isn't too bad. Off the top of my head, that probably translates to 43-45% on Ryu. --- 90s games > 00s games |
I would take Ryu/Ken over Crono/Lavos pretty easy. --- peace comes from within |
Ryu
is sorely overrated around here. He got two fraudulent pic-related
results against Dante and Leon and then got obliterated by Cloud during
Let's Anti-Vote FF7 Year. Samus did a full 13% better on Cloud
than he did. On the flipside, Ken almost lost to Wesker and got beaten
equally as badly by Ganondorf. The gap between Ryu and Red is smaller
than the gap between Ryu and Samus, I think. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
The gap between Ryu and Red is smaller than the gap between Ryu and Samus, I think. There's no doubt about that. Though now that you mention that Samus did 13% better on Cloud, it raises the possibility that the Ryu/Red gap is smaller than the MMX/Ryu gap too. --- 90s games > 00s games |
From: KamikazePotato | #326 Do we really want to give a lot of credit to that pic? At worst, he's slightly below Dante, which isn't that bad. I think if anyone's overrated, it's MMX. Still not really seeing where he's up there with Mega Man Classic yet, but for some reason, everyone just seems to assume that he is. He's been saddled with Mario and Link for both of his contest appearances and (probably) got LFF'd/SFF'd, so people just give him the benefit of the doubt, I guess. --- http://www.gifsoup.com/view/593815/frasier-and-niles-dance-o.gif |
MMX doesn't look bad even if Link didn't SFF him at all. --- 90s games > 00s games |
Ryu/Ken
is tough to really think about because there's pretty much nowhere for
them to go. It's pretty much 'the Street Fighter series' icon and a
buddy' (in terms of contest strength) with a road that is very set
barring Red/Blue being voted like they're Charizard. It'd have been nice
if they were somewhere like in Dante/Vergil's spot, because Ryu/Ken vs.
Sora/Riku and then Squall/Seifer would get a lot more serious debate
than their current path. Not to mention some hilarious Dante/Vergil vs.
Red/Blue or Luigi/Waluigi debate! --- http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/zukiraphaera/war-sig-1.png http://i.imgur.com/FII1z.gif |
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1778 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3826 6 years apart and with potentially different fanbases, but it doesn't get much more eye-catching than that. Unless it's this. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1740 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3744 --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3804 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3750 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3795 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3733 Kinda strange how oddly similar their percentages were on their first two matches there. I don't think anyone's arguing Red and Price are on the level with ZackFAQs and Cid Highwind. There's a decent-sized gap there between those two. And honestly, the equivalent of 61% on Ocelot isn't that great. Ocelot's proven to be a low midcarder at best. I think Ryu/MMX would be closer than Ryu/Red. --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
From: red sox 777 | #329 He doesn't. But he's much closer to the Big Bosses, Luigis and Kirbys of the world than he is to the Noble Nine. --- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
I don't think anyone's arguing Red and Price are on the level with ZackFAQs and Cid Highwind. Remember, FFVII collapsed in 2010. With a constant Snake, Cloud only gets 46% on his 2008 self, and Zack probably fell more if anything. --- 90s games > 00s games |
From: red sox 777 | #334 Does anyone think Cid/John Price is a close match? Cloud and Sephy probably fell harder than anyone else. Tifa didn't look noticeably weaker. It's hard to tell with Zack and Cid since we don't have any reliable data on them, but Tifa looked fine, especially in comparison to Sephiroth himself. Vincent, too, who did much better in comparison to Sephy in 2010 than he did in 2007. --- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
Oh, I don't think MMX is as strong as MM. I'm just saying that Ryu is a fraud with how much he's being hyped. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3282 You can't have a result like that, where Ryu is likely overrated due to "Let's kill the Block" votes, and then tell me that Ryu/Ken should be the favorite against Crono/Lavos, or would even come close. If that's the case, then the voters have REALLY taken the contest to heart, and this bracket is going to be very different. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Well,
I've got nothing else to do at the moment, so how about some rambling
from someone who knows pretty much nothing about these things? That's
always good for a laugh, right? Well, probably not, but I'm bored so
I'll do it anyway. Red vs Blue might get a bigger boost from the format than some of you think, at least when compared to Pokemon Trainer Red. My reasoning for this is the very same point frequently used against them: nobody cares about the trainers. Red as a character doesn't really stand out, but by framing the entrant as Red vs Blue, you're fundamentally changing the nature of the entrant. Instead of bringing to mind a player character, it's going to make voters remember a battle that both began and ended the game, and occurred several times throughout. Even before bringing in the idea of people voting based on how much they like the rivalry, Red vs Blue could already be boosted just by what the name of the entrant brings to mind. And that's it. Feel free to ignore or mercilessly shred the above as you like. --- Dying breath, light my blade and sing in shadow! Omega! |
Nobody
would be picking Ryu over Crono on raw strength. They're picking him on
Ryu/Ken rivalry factor. It's not hard to tell how much Ryu's worth
considering he had a direct match with Cloud in 2010. People have a
pretty good grasp on Ryu's strength by now. I don't think anyone here's
going to be taking him over, say, Luigi or Yoshi. Ryu wouldn't have much trouble beating Red. --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
And
HM is the only one talking about taking Ryu/Ken over any of the big
boys here! We know better than to put a lot of stock into his fanboy
predictions...! --- http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2369/mythbattlers.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/Sensui22/1248835958206.png |
That's
a very substantial rivalry boost you're asking for. I'm fine with that,
but comments like HM's where he goes he'd take them "pretty easily" are
a lot nuttier than taking Red>Ryu, I think. And honestly - I don't think the boost will be as big for Ryu/Ken as some are hoping. Ryu already encapsulates the entire fighting game fan voting block as it is. He's the symbol for the genre at this point. Adding "vs. Ken" isn't going to do much to sway people. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Oh,
and there's also the problem of GameFAQs not really caring about
fighting games. Street FIghter II didn't exactly light up the streets
during Game of the Decade. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3215 That's just sad, and it isn't very good for Ryu/Ken. People who didn't play fighting games when they were younger aren't going to care as much - it wasn't nearly as big as Mario/Sonic, which anyone could appreciate. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
The
more I think about it, the more I wonder if Ryu/Ken will honestly be
much stronger than Ryu/Akuma would. Of course, when Ryu/Ken gets upset
by Cecil/Golbez everyone will take Akuma > Ken! Edit: Cecil is once again going to lose in the first round when his seeding could have drawn a match with Guybrush and I'm going to be sad. Damn you WaLuigi. --- http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/zukiraphaera/war-sig-1.png http://i.imgur.com/FII1z.gif |
I've
never said that Ryu/Ken over Samus was a likely pick, just that it's
tangible enough for me to bet on it. If we're talking rivalries very few
are a bigger deal than Ryu/Ken. --- peace comes from within |
MMX
isn't as strong as MM, but he's not too far off (maybe 54-46 or
something). Zack looked bad against Megaman last year. That's what
fueled all the excitement over Mario/MM, but in retrospect, it was more a
sign of Zack falling than MM boosting. I highly doubt Zack fell less
than Cloud because that just doesn't square with how contests usually
work. Link and Cloud are the most change-resistant characters in the
field. Now, there are reasons why Tifa might have held up the best out
of all the FFVII characters, or Sephiroth the worst, but I'm not seeing
it for Zack. I think it's fairly safe to project that he fell by around
54-46, what Cloud did. --- 90s games > 00s games |
KamikazePotato posted... Oh, and there's also the problem of GameFAQs not really caring about fighting games. Street FIghter II didn't exactly light up the streets during Game of the Decade. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3215 That's just sad, and it isn't very good for Ryu/Ken. People who didn't play fighting games when they were younger aren't going to care as much - it wasn't nearly as big as Mario/Sonic, which anyone could appreciate. For the longest time, I didn't know what a Shoryuken was either, but that doesn't mean I didn't play Street Fighter. That said, Ryu is stronger than Street Fighter, and the chances of this contest following character battle trends are a hell of a lot higher than them following GOTD trends. And since Mario/Sonic isn't in this contest, how popular it may have been is irrelevant. --- PSN - Aevio BlackMageJawa - "I'm on a Goomba." |
Man,
forget Ryu vs. Samus. Samus is so out of Ryu's reach that it shouldn't
even be debatable. Try Ryu vs. Crono. You can't just slap 'rivalry
boost' onto something and then take them over a N9er when you've got
some pretty damning past results. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
The rivalry could make a huge difference, though. It's the same reason why Red/Blue could go deep into this bracket. --- 90s games > 00s games |
It could. I'm just saying it's not a pick you make in passing, or say 'easily' or whatever. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Oh, and another fun comparison to make is that, by direct matchups, Ridley>Ken. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3814 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3770 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3741 Unless you want to argue Wesker>Chris or weird FF/RE SFF. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
KamikazePotato posted... It could. I'm just saying it's not a pick you make in passing, or say 'easily' or whatever. Nobody's said "easily." They've said "possible." It's nobody's fault but your own that you're reading more into it. --- PSN - Aevio BlackMageJawa - "I'm on a Goomba." |
