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#251 | charmander6000 | Posted 10/16/2011 5:26:21 PM | message detail
Not by as much as it is right now. It wouldn't have been impressive had it got 44% on those games, but most people would have stopped talking about it just like with RE4's performance against FFX.
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#252 | HaRRicH | Posted 10/16/2011 5:58:39 PM | message detail
I remember some discussions about GSC being a dark horse to upset FFX thanks to HG/SS. Its performance against LoZ:MM -- even in hindsight -- was a bit of a disappointment.
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#253 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/16/2011 6:15:54 PM | message detail

From: HaRRicH | #252
I remember some discussions about GSC being a dark horse to upset FFX thanks to HG/SS.


Good times.
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#254 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/16/2011 6:26:33 PM | message detail
HaRRicH posted...
I remember some discussions about GSC being a dark horse to upset FFX thanks to HG/SS. Its performance against LoZ:MM -- even in hindsight -- was a bit of a disappointment.

Not to me! And I've got Ryu/Ken getting at least 55% on Red/Blue
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#255 | Ngamer64 | Posted 10/17/2011 12:29:11 AM | message detail
The nomination thread purged a little while back, but luckily our superhero TRE had a copy in his cache. That allowed me to put together a final total and create

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Board_8s_2011_Nominations

As you'd imagine, B8 had a huge impact this year with total nominations being so down. Pretty interesting to see what was snubbed and what managed to make the cut even though SB left it off the suggestion list.
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#256 | pjbasis | Posted 10/17/2011 12:31:45 AM | message detail
Leon/Krauser man.

RE fanbase really let me down.
#257 | jacko_vdz | Posted 10/17/2011 2:58:57 AM | message detail
I'm incredibly biased, but I'm still taking Red/Blue > Samus/Ridley.
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#258 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 10/17/2011 3:56:30 AM | message detail
there were 14,000 nominations sent in site-wide, so B8 accounted for 8.49% of the total GameFAQs nominations

Correct that to be 14800 nominations.
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#259 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 10/17/2011 4:37:37 AM | message detail
I'm pretty sure there were more noms from B8ers than the ones in that topic. Not every B8er posted their lists there, I'd wager.
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#260 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 10/17/2011 7:38:18 AM | message detail
Well I didn't post my list, to say the least.
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#261 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 10/17/2011 12:13:20 PM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
Well I didn't post my list, to say the least.

I didn't either. I wouldn't be surprised if half of b8 never posted their lists, if not more.
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#262 | jonthomson | Posted 10/17/2011 12:55:52 PM | message detail
wait this doesn't actually start until november? trollolol, just start the damn thing already so we can start waiting for a good contest
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#263 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 10/17/2011 12:56:13 PM | message detail
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I see Bacon added a link for the new contest. He did that last year for GOTD.
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#264 | foxhead84 | Posted 10/17/2011 1:16:40 PM | message detail
FateStayAlbion posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...
Well I didn't post my list, to say the least.

I didn't either. I wouldn't be surprised if half of b8 never posted their lists, if not more.


I'm one of those too..
#265 | shane15 | Posted 10/17/2011 1:18:00 PM | message detail

From: foxhead84 | Posted: 10/17/2011 9:16:40 PM | #264
FateStayAlbion posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...
Well I didn't post my list, to say the least.

I didn't either. I wouldn't be surprised if half of b8 never posted their lists, if not more.


I'm one of those too..


Yeah i never bothered.
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#266 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/17/2011 2:54:04 PM | message detail
#267 | Haste_2 | Posted 10/17/2011 7:33:18 PM | message detail
I like how conspicuous he made it, because he knows know GameFAQs contests are the greatest thing ever! (Even when they're crappy...though I DO believe this will be much better than the series contest.) Gold makes it all the better, too!

I remember some discussions about GSC being a dark horse to upset FFX thanks to HG/SS. Its performance against LoZ:MM -- even in hindsight -- was a bit of a disappointment.

Yeah. And, yet, if GSC defeated FFX, just think how mighty RBY's position of strength would be....
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#268 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/17/2011 7:35:51 PM | message detail

From: Haste_2 | #267
And, yet, if GSC defeated FFX


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#269 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 10/17/2011 10:36:04 PM | message detail
I still feel justified for taking GSC to win its division. People didn't doubt Majora's strength persay, but the game didn't even make 2004, got dominated by RBY in 2009 and then was going up against the sequel which fans generally said improved the formula. Then it turned out Mask perks up when you get rid of the 90's Zeldas.

wait this doesn't actually start until november? trollolol, just start the damn thing already so we can start waiting for a good contest

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#270 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/17/2011 10:37:18 PM | message detail

From: IngmarBirdman | #269
but the game didn't even make 2004


It probably would have if not for CJayC limiting divisions to one game per series. That's the reason FFVIII didn't make it.
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#271 | LOLContests | Posted 10/17/2011 11:00:32 PM | message detail
I still feel justified for taking GSC to win its division.

G/S/C was 100% the logical choice, and the MM pickers kind of got lucky, tbqh. People say lol 4 ways, but if anything 4 ways put G/S/C at a disadvantage in 2009, so I'm not sure what the argument there is. 4 ways aren't reliable, but they aren't random either. Games under/overperform in them in predictable ways, and there was no reason to think that MM would underperform relative to G/S/C in that match.*

Still not sure what happened in 2009. I guess there was a lot of momentum on Pokemon's side, and G/S/C was able to ride that to a decent performance.

*Underperform in the sense that it should have done better than its 2010 numbers considering there were two Pokemon games in the poll.
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#272 | pjbasis | Posted 10/18/2011 1:06:14 AM | message detail
FFVIII could have won GotD too.
#273 | HaRRicH | Posted 10/18/2011 4:41:29 AM | message detail
You'll have to convince me it could beat FFX first.
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#274 | pjbasis | Posted 10/18/2011 5:57:59 AM | message detail
FFVIII hung well enough even in fourth place against RBY, OoT, and MGS1, which is probably second to FFVII for being the worst opponent it could receive, while FFX got a ride through Nintendo SFF into the finals.

FFVIII also enjoyed higher sales total than FFX anyway.

There really isn't any reason for FFX to be considered stronger than FFVIII other than it made it to the finals, and B8's bias towards it.
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#275 | MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/18/2011 6:44:38 AM | message detail
LOLContests posted...
G/S/C was 100% the logical choice, and the MM pickers kind of got lucky, tbqh.

I don't know if you meant to use a different phrase here, but describing people who chose the right pick over you as "getting lucky" just because the data didn't support it is kinda.. I dunno.
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#276 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/18/2011 7:58:35 AM | message detail
#277 | Greyfeld | Posted 10/18/2011 8:40:33 AM | message detail
pjbasis posted...
FFVIII hung well enough even in fourth place against RBY, OoT, and MGS1, which is probably second to FFVII for being the worst opponent it could receive, while FFX got a ride through Nintendo SFF into the finals.

FFVIII also enjoyed higher sales total than FFX anyway.

There really isn't any reason for FFX to be considered stronger than FFVIII other than it made it to the finals, and B8's bias towards it.


FF8's sales numbers are inflated due to riding on the coattails of the success of FF7.

I don't know if FF8 would beat FFX in a straight up 1-to-1 contest or not, but the former's sales numbers shouldn't be confused for straight popularity. Hell, I own FF8, and it's on the bottom of my list for favorite games in the series.
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#278 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/18/2011 8:42:54 AM | message detail
Once you get to a certain number, sales comparisons don't mean too much. When we're arguing 7 million vs. 5 million, I don't think it's going to matter.
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#279 | GranzonEx | Posted 10/18/2011 8:46:13 AM | message detail
I could see 8 beating X last year. But now with the HD remake coming? FFX has locked up the #2 FF spot.
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#280 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 10/18/2011 8:53:40 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3486

Looking right here, it says Majora beat G/S/C.

Hmmm...!


Indeed. The people who took GSC in such confidence basically forgot that Pokémon is a Nintendo series, and as a result it was entirely possible that RBY would hurt MM almost as much as it hurt GSC. Not to mention other factors... It was only the "logical" choice if you focused on one specific interpretation of one specific match and ignored everything else.
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#281 | pjbasis | Posted 10/18/2011 9:23:15 AM | message detail

From: GranzonEx | #279
I could see 8 beating X last year. But now with the HD remake coming? FFX has locked up the #2 FF spot.


This DOES worry me.

The sales thing was just a little nudge towards VIII anyways, not the reason I think it would win or anything. Even so, it does matter somewhat. 2 or 3 more million people owning the game leaves that many more people on the side of "only played VIII" and would probably vote for it.

From: LeonhartFour | #278
Once you get to a certain number, sales comparisons don't mean too much. When we're arguing 7 million vs. 5 million, I don't think it's going to matter.


Not so sure about this. Wouldn't raw numbers be more important than ratios? Like 7 million vs. 5 million should matter more than 500k vs 1 mil.
#282 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/18/2011 9:25:23 AM | message detail
When you're talking multi-millions, it doesn't really matter anymore because there are more than enough fans from either side to win the match.

At that point, it comes down to preference.
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#283 | pjbasis | Posted 10/18/2011 9:31:55 AM | message detail
Yeah actually I can see that.

With the vote totals and the GFs demographic, chances are the game is owned by roughly the same amount of people.

I guess my main argument is the intuition that the "FFVII coattails" people, more often than not, actually liked FFVIII more often than people would expect. Casual fans, if you will, who are the same ones responsible for FFVII and MGS1 being top dog of their respective series.
#284 | foxhead84 | Posted 10/18/2011 10:44:30 AM | message detail | (edited)
Lightning Strikes posted...
The people who took GSC in such confidence basically forgot that Pokémon is a Nintendo series, and as a result it was entirely possible that RBY would hurt MM almost as much as it hurt GSC.

so you're saying that pokemon SFF = Nintendo SFF.

That's like saying that FFVII would hurt Kingdom Hearts "almost as much" as it would hurt FFVIII. I think that same series SFF is far more important than same system SFF.
#285 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 10/18/2011 10:53:55 AM | message detail
Not necessarily. Zelda games all stick pretty close to each other, but say, Metroid, has a tendency to get annihilated by Zelda.

And Kingdom Hearts is a bad example because it has a completely different set of voters to Final Fantasy. The difference is quite literally the difference between day and night. On the other hand, there's never been any evidence that Pokémon doesn't overlap with other Nintendo series. Quite the opposite in fact.
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#286 | charmander6000 | Posted 10/18/2011 11:11:07 AM | message detail
MM > GSC isn't a case of lol 4-ways as a direct match actually had similar results. We tried to outsmart the stats and got burned for it.
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#287 | Greyfeld | Posted 10/18/2011 11:32:39 AM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
MM > GSC isn't a case of lol 4-ways as a direct match actually had similar results. We tried to outsmart the stats and got burned for it.

The idea was that RBY was SFFing GSC, when (in hindsight) it's probably more accurate that the RBY/GSC results come from a playerbase split.
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#288 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/18/2011 11:34:59 AM | message detail

From: foxhead84 | #284
That's like saying that FFVII would hurt Kingdom Hearts "almost as much" as it would hurt FFVIII. I think that same series SFF is far more important than same system SFF.


Well, there's always this:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3297
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#289 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 10/18/2011 11:44:18 AM | message detail
Over the last few contests, Pokemon's done relatively well against other Nintendo. Not that that would be hard, given how badly Mario, Smash and Metroid tend to do when faced with elite Zelda, but hey!
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#290 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 10/18/2011 12:21:33 PM | message detail
The idea was that RBY was SFFing GSC, when (in hindsight) it's probably more accurate that the RBY/GSC results come from a playerbase split.

Yeah but what still makes no sense is that the 26.27% liked RBY to vote for it over two other really popular series in that 4-way but apparently some didn't like it enough to actually play the sequel.
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#291 | Greyfeld | Posted 10/18/2011 12:37:16 PM | message detail
IngmarBirdman posted...
The idea was that RBY was SFFing GSC, when (in hindsight) it's probably more accurate that the RBY/GSC results come from a playerbase split.

Yeah but what still makes no sense is that the 26.27% liked RBY to vote for it over two other really popular series in that 4-way but apparently some didn't like it enough to actually play the sequel.


Who said they didn't play the sequel? Popularity contests aren't indicative of whether or not somebody's played a game, just because they didn't vote for it.

There are a large number of people who loved RBY, and thought every pokemon game after it sucked.
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#292 | XxSoulxX | Posted 10/18/2011 1:13:11 PM | message detail
Yeah but what still makes no sense is that the 26.27% liked RBY to vote for it over two other really popular series in that 4-way but apparently some didn't like it enough to actually play the sequel.

The huge Pokemon fad ended after RBY. Not as many people played GSC (in fact, it was no longer cool to be playing Pokemon when GSC came out).
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#293 | MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/18/2011 1:15:36 PM | message detail
I don't know about that. G/S/C is definitely less popular than R/B/Y, but I wouldn't go as far as to say that's when Pokemon officially "died" (I don't think it truly has died in the long run).
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#294 | GranzonEx | Posted 10/18/2011 1:17:43 PM | message detail
Pokemon died after GSC. Many of the kids that played RBY went on to play GSC. It's only now that we are older that we elevate RBY to legendary status because of the nostalgia goggles.
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#295 | XIII_rocks | Posted 10/18/2011 1:18:40 PM | message detail
It hardly died. Did you see this board when BW and to an extent HGSS came out?
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#296 | GranzonEx | Posted 10/18/2011 1:20:25 PM | message detail
I saw, but this is GameFAQs, and on top of that b8. You can't deny that RSE/DPP/BW isn't in the same league as RBY and GSC.
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#297 | XxSoulxX | Posted 10/18/2011 1:21:54 PM | message detail
I don't know about that. G/S/C is definitely less popular than R/B/Y, but I wouldn't go as far as to say that's when Pokemon officially "died" (I don't think it truly has died in the long run).

It never died. It just lost a lot of fans because the fad was over. During RBY, every kid in the school had the games/cards/watched the show/shirts/lunch boxes/etc. A year or two later, it was over. GSC came out after the fad died, so it never had a chance to be as popular as RBY.
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#298 | shane15 | Posted 10/18/2011 4:02:25 PM | message detail
I'm with Soul everyone in my High School was in the fad during R/B/Y.A few of the geeks got the Japanese Gold and Silver Roms on the school PC's but nobody really took much notice as they were few and far between and the fad just died out after that.Literally nobody used to bring the cards in or really talk about it at all after the original 151.
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#299 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/18/2011 4:04:04 PM | message detail
MarioSuperstar posted...
I don't know about that. G/S/C is definitely less popular than R/B/Y, but I wouldn't go as far as to say that's when Pokemon officially "died" (I don't think it truly has died in the long run).

Balony, R/B/Y was always going to be the only Pokemon game that mattered. Blue is the only one I played. Once they had 300 Pokemon, everyone stopped caring. To be honest I'm surprised it didn't lose worse.

Then again, I was one of the few people who didn't have their head up their ass last contest.
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#300 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 10/18/2011 4:25:54 PM | message detail
GSC is without a doubt a significant step down from RBY.

Balony, R/B/Y was always going to be the only Pokemon game that mattered. Blue is the only one I played. Once they had 300 Pokemon, everyone stopped caring. To be honest I'm surprised it didn't lose worse.

I don't think you're giving GSC enough credit. 44% on MM still makes it a decently strong game.
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