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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1007
Cloud/Sephiroth vs Squall/Seifer would be another nasty SFF blowout match. I mean, look at this: http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/%281%29Cloud_Strife_vs_%284%29Squall_Leonhart_2004 Considering that the disparity in strength between Sephiroth and Seifer is much larger than the gap between Cloud and Squall, one would fathom how dreaded this match would be. Do the right choice, vote for The Bosses and The Twin Snakes, lol. |
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doubling is possible; the rivalry aspect of the contest may amplify the
SFF. It's a real shame because Samus > Mario indirectly. --- 90s games > 00s games |
Iamthekuzalol | Posted 10/15/2011 12:41:28 PM | message detail | quote Cloud/Sephiroth vs Squall/Seifer would be another nasty SFF blowout match. I mean, look at this: http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/%281%29Cloud_Strife_vs_%284%29Squall_Leonhart_2004 Considering that the disparity in strength between Sephiroth and Seifer is much larger than the gap between Cloud and Squall, one would fathom how dreaded this match would be. A Cloud/Squall rematch won't be as big of a blowout compared to 2004. Squall could very well do up to 10% better against Cloud compared to their 2004 match. I mean, look at this: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3822 That happened before Sephiroth became a magnet for anti-votes after defeating Missingno. I know it's Vincent instead of Squall, but both of them are nearly equal. Sephiroth is just barely under 63% there and Cloud probably gets about 67-69% against Vincent. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
SFF isn't as simple where you can use two different characters and make an assumption about a match. In 2008 Squall got about 27% on Cloud with Sora and Mewtwo in the poll. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls BOP Topic: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60566352 |
is a doubling outside of Mario/Bowser's reach here? That'd be a big loss for being that late in the contest, SFF or not. We saw Legend of Zelda get almost 74% on Metal Gear in the series contest (and it's not even an SFF match), and we also saw Zelda manage nearly 85% on Metroid. I figure Mario would have broken 80% on it. Plus, considering Samus/Ridley as a pairing is kind of....eh.... I think Mario/Bowser could easily score a doubling. Samus/Ridley vs. Ryu/Ken should be closer. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
SFF isn't as simple where you can use two different characters and make an assumption about a match. In 2008 Squall got about 27% on Cloud with Sora and Mewtwo in the poll. Cloud probably SFFs Squall harder than Sephiroth could, so maybe Cloud still gets over 70% in another rematch against Squall. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
Squall
probably still gets ~27% on Cloud, but their rematch here should see
that percentage go even lower. Sephiroth would beat Seifer worse than
that and Cloud/Sephiroth as a rivalry is significantly more iconic. What's Seifer's role in KH2 like? I don't know if Squall/Seifer's feud is strictly limited to FF8 or if it crosses into the KH-series too. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
Seifer never meets Squall in KH2. That role isn't going to do him any favors anyway. Most people don't seem to like it. But Bacon needs to do a better job with Squall's bracket positioning in these contests. How many times does he need to face Cloud and Sora anyway? I wanted to see how Squall/Seifer would fare against one of the big rivalries. I mean, even if they get killed by Samus/Ridley, I'd rather see how they'd do than to get SFF'd by Cloud/Sephiroth. --- "Stay with me until the end. Please." "Not until the end. Always." |
You know, part of me wonders if we're not going to see Series Contest level blowouts from our top contenders in this contest. Like, is anybody going to be shocked if Mario/Bowser push 90% on Jim/Queen? --- http://img.imgcake.com/leonpngpe.png http://img.imgcake.com/squalloweenpngem.png |
We
didn't really see anything close to a 90% blowout in the last Character
Battle, due to the vote-ins weeding out the bad fodder. At least a 90%
blowout was almost possible in GOTD when Melee got just over 87%.
Vote-ins for GOTD had a lot more fodder in them, thanks to the limited
scope of what games were allowed in. 1990-1999 overall is a lot
stronger than 2000-2009 and has several games that would beat any game
in the GOTD bracket. There's probably more fodder in this upcoming contest because it will feature many new characters that have never been in a previous contest. 85% is probably going to be possible, not sure about 90% though. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
This is where "SBA likes SFF matches too much" gets brought up, isn't it? >.> --- Praise the Black Turtle, Game of the Decade Guru Champ. (Well, I never promised creativity, did I?!) |
Well,
the point is that this style of contest is different, and I think the
universally recognized and respected rivalries could benefit from it. --- http://i.imgur.com/CbfFb.jpg |
I
don't think Bacon is to blame for all of the SFF matches. He has
better things to do instead of learning about all of the terminology
that we've invented over the years. Also, Nintendo and Square are the
two biggest companies on this site and make up a good majority of the
contest entrants in any bracket. It's hard to avoid SFF when you have
so much Nintendo and Square entrants in a bracket. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
-LusterSoldier- posted... I don't think Bacon is to blame for all of the SFF matches. He has better things to do instead of learning about all of the terminology that we've invented over the years. Also, Nintendo and Square are the two biggest companies on this site and make up a good majority of the contest entrants in any bracket. It's hard to avoid SFF when you have so much Nintendo and Square entrants in a bracket. Not caring about SFF is one thing, repeating the same matches over and over again is a different thing. Instead of feeding near elites like Squall and X to Cloud and Mario, throw them up against Sonic or Crono or something. --- http://i49.tinypic.com/2ry672r.jpg |
I
just finished reading through all of the Summer 2002 Contest PCAs
and...man, to think we've come down to this rivalries business kinda
stings. I completely forgot about how the recent GF contests have
progressed compared to Summer 2002. And yes, I will be rereading every PCA in honor of the upcoming contest, which is something I may do again in the future, perhaps multiple times. You guys think we should make games contests more regular than character ones? Also I just noticed that the characters who lost to Samus in 2002 suffered from similarly egregious hiatuses: both the Street Fighter and Sonic franchises never received another core entry until the Dreamcast, meaning that both of those series also effectively sat out during the "all-important" 5th console generation. You could argue that they at least still received games, but Samus received her main source of contest strength (SSB series) in that timeframe while no one gives a darn about anything from Sonic or SF in comparison. Also, perhaps it's possible that Samus was overperforming in 2002 due to Metroid Prime hype? --- Currently Playing - StarCraft: Brood War |
BlAcK TuRtLe posted... Instead of feeding near elites like Squall and X to Cloud and Mario, throw them up against Sonic or Crono or something. Squall/Seifer vs Crono/Lavos woulda been a great round 1 match. I have no idea who to pick there. --- http://pixelatedgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/header-fate-zero.jpg http://myanimelist.net/signature/RyanSaotome.png |
What do you guys think are the chances of Ryu/Ken upsetting Samus/Ridley? --- PSN - Aevio BlackMageJawa - "I'm on a Goomba." |
I'm
taking it, should I ever make a bracket. I think Samus/Ridley is going
to be surprisingly weak along with Link/Ganondorf (relative to
expectations, of course). Also think Ryu/Ken is going to gain the most
out of the format of any team. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
Very
very small. Samus >> Ryu and Ridley >= Ken. Even factoring in
'BUT RIVALRIES', that's a really, really hard sell. Red/Blue >
Ryu/Ken is far more likely than Ryu/Ken > Samus/Ridley, and I say
that as someone who really wants to take Cecil/Golbez past Red/Blue. --- http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/zukiraphaera/war-sig-1.png http://i.imgur.com/FII1z.gif |
I wouldn't take Ridley > Ken in a million years. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
I
don't buy the rivalry factor being that important, so I don't think
that Ryu/Ken have a chance at beating Samus. If I'm wrong, and rivalries
actually do impact the vote to a significant degree, then it may be a
match to watch out for. --- http://pixelatedgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/header-fate-zero.jpg http://myanimelist.net/signature/RyanSaotome.png |
Well,
the way I see it, either this is going to be Character Battle 2k11, or
the great rivalries are going to totally ruin a ton of brackets.
Instead of walking down the middle, I think I'm going to bank on
rivalries meaning something. --- PSN - Aevio BlackMageJawa - "I'm on a Goomba." |
Lopen,
Ridley/Ken wouldn't be debatable if Sonic hadn't been fed to Link and
Ganondorf hadn't been bacon against Sonic! Then you'd see that
RidleyFAQS > SHORYUFAQS! --- http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/zukiraphaera/war-sig-1.png http://i.imgur.com/FII1z.gif |
Decided
to go back and make some changes to my bracket under the assumption
that the whole rivalry thing is going to play a large factor in the
contest. I have Samus/Ridley losing to Big Boss/The Boss in the division finals, Ryu/Ken going up to the semis, and I took Dante/Vergil to the division finals instead of Sora/Riku. Not a lot of changes, but if I end up being right, it could make the difference in quite a few points. --- PSN - Aevio BlackMageJawa - "I'm on a Goomba." |
XFD, second poll in a row that failed to close at 12:00 AM. Third time it's happened this month. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
FateStayAlbion posted... I don't buy the rivalry factor being that important, so I don't think that Ryu/Ken have a chance at beating Samus. If I'm wrong, and rivalries actually do impact the vote to a significant degree, then it may be a match to watch out for. Keep in mind that Samus vs. Ridley is actually a pretty good rivalry, as opposed to something like Link vs. Ganondorf. Heck, in most Zelda games, Ganondorf is little more than the final boss. Ridley has never been reduced down to that role, and yet is still considered the main antagonist of the series because of his "link" to Samus and how he seems so ubiquitous. --- Currently Playing - StarCraft: Brood War |
Let's not forget he has a badass theme song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLLjibR_c4Q --- "You know what, forget it. Nothing I can think of posting will really be of much use to anyone in any way, shape, or form." ~LinkMarioSamus |
Street Fighter has a pretty decent shot at beating Samus, I think. I'm considering taking it. --- "There is never a topic that isn't made more entertaining by Ulti posting in it." -KamikazePotato |
Yeah, I decided to pull the trigger on street fighter over samus. Ryu/Ken has just been so iconic, and relevant, for so many years that I could see them pulling it off if we get a run of Smart Voter FAQs. --- PSN - Aevio BlackMageJawa - "I'm on a Goomba." |
I'm
sticking with Samus/Ridley > Ryu/Ken for now, but honestly, matches
like that are making me a little glad the contest is starting so late
after its bracket reveal. There are a few matches (Like this one) that I
keep flip-flopping on. --- Will not remove this line of my signature until the Seahawks, Jazz or Rockies win a title (Started 5-16-09) http://www.sporcle.com/games/Kazbar/gfaqscontest |
Honestly
it's a bit hard to get into discussion at this point because I don't
want to be here two weeks from now arguing the exact same points and
logic. I've already bored myself with arguing Phoenix vs. Gordon, and
that's probably the best match of the first two rounds. Don't want to do
that with whatever other debated ones we've got sitting around. --- http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/zukiraphaera/war-sig-1.png http://i.imgur.com/FII1z.gif |
UltimaterializerX posted... Street Fighter has a pretty decent shot at beating Samus, I think. I'm considering taking it. I somehow think fighting game rivalries will bomb this contest, although I took Ryu > Red in the divisional finals. Then again it has been over six years since I last played a non-Smash fighting game (and that was Soulcalibur II), so I wouldn't know how much a fighting game "rivalry" would be worth. But yeah, Samus vs. Ridley is actually a good deal more of a rivalry than something like Link vs. Ganondorf or Gordon Freeman vs. Dr. Breen, so I'm banking on voters recognizing that. --- Currently Playing - StarCraft: Brood War |
I
went Ryu/Ken over Samus/Ridley from the day 1. It's not the most likely
thing to happen, but I agree that Ryu/Ken will benefit the most from
the format. There's bias to factor in, too, but I think it's one of the
best late-contest upsets to take. It wouldn't surprise me to see it
happen, if voters put more emphasis on the rivalry aspect. Ryu/Ken is
just classic; Samus/Ridley can't begin to compare there. --- peace comes from within |
Right
now the only real reason I see behind Ryu and Ken being much of a
rivalry is that they were the original two Street Fighters. But I know next to nothing about Street Fighter so there. Perhaps I will consider purchasing SSFIV if Ryu upsets Samus. --- Currently Playing - StarCraft: Brood War |
From: LinkMarioSamus | #234 vintage lms post --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
The simple fact that LMS has Samus/DRAGON > Ryu/Ken makes me regret my pick. --- http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/zukiraphaera/war-sig-1.png http://i.imgur.com/FII1z.gif |
So
what exactly is the safe pick with this headache inducing foursome? Or
should i say who is the most likely to get fed to Mario and Bowser? Pokemon Trainer Red vs. Blue Ryu vs. Ken Samus vs. Ridley Big Boss vs. The Boss --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/Shaneh87/Funny/siggy.jpg |
I went with Samus/Ridley > Ryu/Ken. It just feels right. --- http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy/images/0/0e/Ffx-bahamut.jpg Support Bahamut if we ever get another real contest. |
What about Bosses > Samus? --- PSN - Aevio BlackMageJawa - "I'm on a Goomba." |
Ryu/Ken have a great shot at Samus/Ridley. ...If they actually get there dun dun dunnnnnnnnnn! --- http://i.imgur.com/CbfFb.jpg |
We've talked about this before, but it might bear repeating considering how the numbers have changed. Youtube Views for Ultimate MVC3 Character Reveal Trailers: Nova: 119,385 Nemesis: 100,874 Dr. Strange: 64,423 Ghost Rider: 64,136 Vergil: 63,667 Hawkeye: 63,646 Iron Fist: 42,414 Strider: 36,665 views Firebrand: 35,794 Total: 591,004 Phoenix Wright: 589,243 It takes 9 character trailers to barely edge out the lawyer, and Nova's numbers are heavily inflated due to him being released on the same day as Wright. That's not really a number you can just ignore as a possible factor. With all the different media Phoenix Wright is now available on (DS, Wii, iPhone), something like that could easily nudge people into playing the series. And even if it doesn't, they still know about him now and have seen him in a fighting game trailer. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
From: LeonhartFour | #240 ffff I realized I also have Red/Blue > Samus/Ridley Why am I doing that and why am I not changing it? This feels like GSC in GotD all over again. |
If
we're talking about exposure, then that trailer does a good job. If
we're talking about hype for Phoenix Wright...well, I don't know that
it'll still be there come match time. Maybe if UMVC3 is close to coming
out, but I don't get the sense it's too hyped on GameFAQs like it was
when MVC3 came out. I have Phoenix winning over Freeman, though. --- peace comes from within |
People
in general definitely aren't as hyped about UMVC3 as MVC3, but I'm
pretty sure no character trailer in the original got anywhere near as
much notice as this one did. From what I've seen, there's a bit of
feedback loop going on; Wright hypes UMVC3, UMVC3 hypes Wright, ect.
There's a reason Nova's trailer already has the 2nd-most views - I think
PW is helping people get excited about UMVC3 again. As for whether the hype stays, I believe the game releases 3 days after Phoenix's match, which is very good timing in terms of excitement and hype. Would still be better if the match was run tomorrow (or better yet, yesterday), but hey, exposure is exposure. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Those numbers could also just indicate Pheonix Wright fans care about his UMvC3 appearance than anyone else. |
Oh,
they do, but when your trailer numbers are equal to every other
characters' trailer numbers combined then you've already gone way past
the point where it's just fans inflating things. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
After what happened to GSC last contest i don't even like Pokemon Trainer Red vs. Blue>Ryu/Ken --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/Shaneh87/Funny/siggy.jpg |
shane15 posted... After what happened to GSC last contest i don't even like Pokemon Trainer Red vs. Blue>Ryu/Ken I don't know when people are going to start understanding that RBY >>> every other generation, on this website. That said, I don't think Red/Blue are going to get past Ryu/Ken either, but for a completely different reason. --- PSN - Aevio BlackMageJawa - "I'm on a Goomba." |
Would
people have called GSC a flop if it had gotten 44% on Melee, Brawl, or
FFX? I doubt it, but it got 44% on a game about equal to those. Did
anyone think GSC had a serious shot to win Game of the Decade? If not,
it seems to me Majora's Mask is still being wildly underestimating despite winning the friggin contest. --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] |
Would
people have called GSC a flop if it had gotten 44% on Melee, Brawl, or
FFX? I doubt it, but it got 44% on a game about equal to those. Did
anyone think GSC had a serious shot to win Game of the Decade? If not,
it seems to me Majora's Mask is still being wildly underestimating
despite winning the friggin contest. Actually, yes, most people thought GSC was worth more than 44% on those 3 games. It got 42% heads up against RBY, and people mostly thought RBY would beat those 3 by more than 52/48. --- 90s games > 00s games |
