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#151 | KamikazePotato | Posted 10/13/2011 9:47:23 PM | message detail
You don't have to play MVC3 to 'get' the Wright trailer. Why do you think it has over double the views the Nova trailer has?

For example, a fake joke Phoenix Wright trailer uploaded August 26th (that was actually really funny) currently has 436,572 views. The idea of Phoenix Wright in a fighting game is something that appeals to everyone, even people who don't like fighting games.
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#152 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/13/2011 9:48:04 PM | message detail

From: FateStayAlbion | #150
And the sad thing is that even pre-Brawl Ike is stronger than Phoenix


Brawl has a wider base to work from.

But Ike without Brawl wouldn't be much of anything. The day we get a FE character who's never been playable in Smash will bear that out.
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#153 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 10/13/2011 9:50:31 PM | message detail
We still need Lyn one of these days, though sadly the time she might of gotten enough nominations to make a contest has passed.
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#154 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/13/2011 9:52:30 PM | message detail
Actually, it'd be far easier to get her into a contest than ever if she can get a decently sized B8 rally.
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#155 | red sox 777 | Posted 10/14/2011 12:32:35 AM | message detail
Ike sans Brawl is probably worth very little. Worse than Phoenix, yeah.
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#156 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/14/2011 12:58:52 AM | message detail
Ya'll are still taking Ike over Poo, right? I had Poo winning at first but changed it after some thought.
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#157 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/14/2011 12:59:56 AM | message detail
I picked Ike without thinking too much about it. Conker was weak the last time we saw him 6 years ago, and I can't imagine he's gotten any better.
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#158 | pjbasis | Posted 10/14/2011 1:49:03 AM | message detail
This could end up being CBFD vs. FE though.

Ike's rivalry could be weaker than Ike himself, especially if the apathetic vote goes to the Great Mighty Poo.
#159 | Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/14/2011 2:13:13 AM | message detail
I picked the Great Mighty Poo because everyone gets the joke.

Then again I've always picked against Ike and the only time that cost me any points was when he won over Zidane.
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#160 | HaRRicH | Posted 10/14/2011 5:01:08 AM | message detail
I've taken Conker/Poo. Ike's not going to shine when we focus on his FE-storyline more than him overall and Poo's going to add more to Conker's strength -- perhaps with some good joke-support to boot. Ike's team may be Nintendo, but he's lower-tier Nintendo and Conker is N64-Rare so there's some wiggle-room.

I'm also biased on this one.
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#161 | KamikazePotato | Posted 10/14/2011 6:03:54 AM | message detail
*wakes up, checks*

Views for Phoenix Wright trailer: 192,851
Views for Nova trailer: 55,413

I know we discussed this already but holy crap. 200k views on less than 24 hours.
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#162 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 10/14/2011 7:08:24 AM | message detail
For what it's worth, the GOTD stats have Conker > Path of Radiance. Both games are stuck under SFF, too (Conker from Perfect Dark, Path of Radiance indirectly from Brawl > DPP).
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#163 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 10/14/2011 7:20:59 AM | message detail
I see FE's getting underrated in round one again. >.>
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#164 | KamikazePotato | Posted 10/14/2011 7:28:57 AM | message detail
Yeah there's very little reason to take Conker there. Path of Radiance>Bad Fur Day, Ike>Conker. You basically have to bank on massive joke votes and call it a day.
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#165 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 10/14/2011 8:43:49 AM | message detail | (edited)
Well I picked Zidane > Ike in the last character contest so I'm not underestimating Ike again.

Although I am picking Phoenix Wright to get out of R1 for the third contest in a row. Will it backfire for the third time in a row? I'm actually pretty confident, albeit only because no Half-Life 2 fans give a darn about a Gordon Freeman/Dr. Breen rivalry.

More or less, if Freeman gets out of R1 this contest, I'm giving up and accepting that Link will win again. Nuts.

More or less the big reason for me not believing that Freeman vs. Dr. Breen can beat Phoenix Wright vs. Edgeworth is that Half-Life 2, Gordon Freeman, and Dr. Breen themselves all have monster critical acclaim (well, maybe not so much in the latter case), but no one cares about a rivalry between Freeman and Breen. Breen is the Ridley to Freeman's Samus, in other words.
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#166 | charmander6000 | Posted 10/14/2011 8:59:15 AM | message detail
you don't need to believe in a rivalry factor to take Cloud/Sephiroth over Link/Ganondorf, you just have to think that there are enough people that think Sephiroth > Link > Cloud than Ganondorf > Cloud > Link and for it to be enough to bridge the gap between Link > Cloud.
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#167 | KamikazePotato | Posted 10/14/2011 11:36:33 AM | message detail
Big Boss vs. The Boss - 141
Tidus vs. Jecht - 128
Chris Redfield vs. Wesker - 119
Samus vs. Ridley - 106
Dan vs. Sagat - 93
Vyse vs. Galcian - 75
Terra vs. Kefka - 68
The Kid vs. The Guy - 66

Total Votes: 22

Nothing too surprising.
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#168 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 10/14/2011 12:08:11 PM | message detail
I feel that Ike/Conker is a toss up. Normally Ike would beat Conker, but having a giant piece of poo as a voteable option can really shake things up there. I went with Ike to be safe but I don't feel confident in it at all.
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#169 | MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/14/2011 12:32:14 PM | message detail
Hmm.. I wonder if Banjo / Gruntilda is any sign...
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#170 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/14/2011 2:01:08 PM | message detail
I really hope that was sarcasm; it's so hard to tell over the Internet. Mario 3's prediction percentage in this match was over 50%, which by default makes it favored over the other 7 members of this half-division combined to make the Division Finals. The correct conclusion is that Final Fantasy had a higher prediction percentage in Round 1 because Metal Gear was perceived as being stronger than Pitfall Harry (quite likely, as Harry's done nothing since the 8-bit era and Metal Gear was the debut game for a Noble Niner), and that this trend continued for round 2 because Metroid/Pac-Man was considered a bigger upset threat than Phantasy Star/Contra (again reasonable, because Pac-Man's an icon and Metroid is another debut game of a Noble Niner). At first I was like, "Nah, I'm not going to actually post this; that had to be sarcasm and I'm just going to provoke more ire." But then I looked at the review again, and it sounded serious. And the fact that it started with "prediction percentages don't lie" irked me most of all, because math has always been my subject and while I'd be all for seeing what the true prediction percentages were for later rounds (it's so hard to tell from prediction percentages alone whether or not a match is an "upset" in the late rounds because both sides' percentages are usually pretty low to begin with), but when the percentage is still above 50, that's obviously the favorite. So ire away.Spirit Tsunami 22:40, October 8, 2011 (UTC)


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#171 | red sox 777 | Posted 10/14/2011 2:03:15 PM | message detail
Um, what's the context here?

I hope you're not making fun of him for overanalyzing things, because overanalysis is the whole point of this topic.
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#172 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 10/14/2011 2:16:30 PM | message detail
I feel that Ike/Conker is a toss up. Normally Ike would beat Conker, but having a giant piece of poo as a voteable option can really shake things up there. I went with Ike to be safe but I don't feel confident in it at all.

It will be a day match, which should definitely help out Ike here. Ike gets to avoid the dreaded Europe vote.
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#173 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/14/2011 2:18:40 PM | message detail
Ike gets votes because he's in Smash. Noone knows his rival.

Conker gets less votes because he's not in Smash, but I'd take Conker's Bad Fur Day over any FE game easily.

Add to that the hilarity that is the Great Mighty Poo song and I can't see Conker losing that match.
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#174 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/14/2011 2:21:40 PM | message detail
Path of Radiance is behind two levels of SFF. It got SFFed by DPP and then DPP got SFFed by Brawl.
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#175 | Greyfeld | Posted 10/14/2011 2:25:57 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
Big Boss vs. The Boss - 141
Tidus vs. Jecht - 128
Chris Redfield vs. Wesker - 119
Samus vs. Ridley - 106
Dan vs. Sagat - 93
Vyse vs. Galcian - 75
Terra vs. Kefka - 68
The Kid vs. The Guy - 66

Total Votes: 22

Nothing too surprising.


The fact that Samus is so low on that list worries me a bit. I know it's only B8 voters, but still. I made my bracket with the full expectation that Samus/Ridley would get to the semifinals.
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#176 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 10/14/2011 2:30:27 PM | message detail
I'm going with Conker/GMP primarily because of fanboyism, but even setting my bias aside, it really does seem like a match that could go either way. Ike deserves to be the favorite, but Conker is from GameFAQs' "Golden Age," and his rival should help him quite a bit.

Also, I don't think Conker's Bad Fur Day is as weak as it looked in GotD. I mean, Perfect Dark was one of the worst opponents it could have possibly drawn!
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#177 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/14/2011 2:39:30 PM | message detail
WarThaNemesis2 posted...
Path of Radiance is behind two levels of SFF. It got SFFed by DPP and then DPP got SFFed by Brawl.

What justification is there for either of those things happening? Maybe if it was one of the DS Fire Emblems
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#178 | Greyfeld | Posted 10/14/2011 2:40:16 PM | message detail
TheCodeisBosco posted...
I'm going with Conker/GMP primarily because of fanboyism, but even setting my bias aside, it really does seem like a match that could go either way. Ike deserves to be the favorite, but Conker is from GameFAQs' "Golden Age," and his rival should help him quite a bit.

Also, I don't think Conker's Bad Fur Day is as weak as it looked in GotD. I mean, Perfect Dark was one of the worst opponents it could have possibly drawn!


The only thing that CBFD had in common with Perfect Dark is that they're both older games on the N64. It's like saying that Medal of Honor would SFF Spyro the Dragon, just because they were both on the original Playstation.
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#179 | MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/14/2011 2:41:34 PM | message detail | (edited)
Tough match indeed but I don't know if I'm daring enough to take a platforming character over a sword-wielding, Nintendo Smash character in any setting.
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#180 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/14/2011 2:43:02 PM | message detail

From: TheCodeisBosco | #176
I mean, Perfect Dark was one of the worst opponents it could have possibly drawn!


You realize Perfect Dark is weak, too, right?

So either way, it doesn't look good.

But it's kinda funny that Bad Fur Day and Path of Radiance are right next to each other in the X-Stats for GOTD either way.
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#181 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 10/14/2011 2:51:22 PM | message detail
Greyfeld posted...
TheCodeisBosco posted...
I'm going with Conker/GMP primarily because of fanboyism, but even setting my bias aside, it really does seem like a match that could go either way. Ike deserves to be the favorite, but Conker is from GameFAQs' "Golden Age," and his rival should help him quite a bit.

Also, I don't think Conker's Bad Fur Day is as weak as it looked in GotD. I mean, Perfect Dark was one of the worst opponents it could have possibly drawn!

The only thing that CBFD had in common with Perfect Dark is that they're both older games on the N64. It's like saying that Medal of Honor would SFF Spyro the Dragon, just because they were both on the original Playstation.


It's not quite like that. Rare is a company that has an usually devoted fanbase - or at least, they did back in their heyday! - so it's not a stretch to think that PD and CBFD would have a fair amount of audience overlap. And PD, of course, is just flat-out higher on the totem pole.

Honestly though, that's probably a moot point - I just looked up PD's GotD matches, and yeah, it's weaker than I remembered it being. For whatever reason, I thought it beat CoD4, lol.
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#182 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/14/2011 2:59:51 PM | message detail
Conker/Poo over Ike/Black Knight screams 'debate for the sake of debate'. Ike/Black Knight is a more legitimate rivalry involving stronger characters from more popular games that are more recent in a day match, which favors them double. Even if say, every person who voted for Hitler over 24 hours votes for Poo in 12 hours, will even that be enough to push Conker/Poo over Ike/Black Knight?
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#183 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/14/2011 3:01:50 PM | message detail
Well, you're basically counting on people to think a big pile of Poo is funny enough to vote for in large quantities if you're picking Ike/Black Knight to lose that one, in my opinion.
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#184 | HaRRicH | Posted 10/14/2011 3:07:39 PM | message detail
It's worth mentioning that people once believed SSBM SFF'd Halo due to multi-player SFF...if that is still supported, it's worth considering SSBM could have SFF'd CoD4, too.
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#185 | HaRRicH | Posted 10/14/2011 3:09:46 PM | message detail
To be clear, PD doesn't have much of an argument for being strong nowadays, so losing to PD is pretty unimpressive until it can prove itself more in another contest.
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#186 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 10/14/2011 3:11:26 PM | message detail
I think there needs to be more in common to see significant SFF. Halo and SSBM could certainly have some unnatural overlap due to being same-year local multiplayer games. SSBM and CoD4? Eh...
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#187 | KamikazePotato | Posted 10/14/2011 3:19:00 PM | message detail
This is a looooot of stretching. Ike likely doubles Conker in a 1 v 1 setting, same company overlap that happened twice (PoR/Pokemon Diamond, then Diamond/Brawl) is going to be far more significant than potential multiplayer SFF, Path of Radiance is most likely a much stronger game than Conker's Bad Fur Day, and Ike/Black Knight is an actual good rivalry while Conker/Poo not even close.

I'm honestly finding it hard to find any wiggle room whatsoever in that match.
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#188 | Greyfeld | Posted 10/14/2011 3:29:00 PM | message detail
Yeah, I'm not very familiar with Ike, but when I realized he was a Smash character, I picked him and didn't look back. Conker is along the same lines as Banjo in the way of fodder-level popularity. Ike may not be strong enough to be considered a low-midcarder, but he's not turbofodder by any means.

And considering the average age of GFaqs users, I can't see "Heh, he's fighting a huge poo" being nearly as funny for most posters as it might have been back when the game first came out and many of us were 13-17 years old.
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#189 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 10/14/2011 3:34:43 PM | message detail
Greyfeld posted...
And considering the average age of GFaqs users, I can't see "Heh, he's fighting a huge poo" being nearly as funny for most posters as it might have been back when the game first came out and many of us were 13-17 years old.

Nostalgia is a powerful thing. :P
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#190 | Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/14/2011 4:46:19 PM | message detail | (edited)
LeonhartFour posted...
Well, you're basically counting on people to think a big pile of Poo is funny enough to vote for in large quantities if you're picking Ike/Black Knight to lose that one, in my opinion.

Who hasn't heard "I AM THE GREAT MIGHTY POO AND I'M GOING TO THROW MY **** AT YOU!"

And a big pile of Poo is more funny than Adolf "Teh Lulz" Hitler.

But as I said before people laughed at me when I said that Duke > Gordon was obvious, a lot thought it was risky to pick a Warcraft character of Ike, and Zidane.....well the last one didn't work out but everyone gets the joke wutg the poo. Heck it will even scare Mario/Bowser.
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#191 | Greyfeld | Posted 10/14/2011 6:48:21 PM | message detail
TheCodeisBosco posted...
Greyfeld posted...
And considering the average age of GFaqs users, I can't see "Heh, he's fighting a huge poo" being nearly as funny for most posters as it might have been back when the game first came out and many of us were 13-17 years old.

Nostalgia is a powerful thing. :P


If Conker was going to ride the nostalgia train at any point in time, he would have done so already, instead of proving to be turbofodder on more than one occasion.
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#192 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/14/2011 7:14:11 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
Thought you guys might find this interesting.

Views for Phoenix Wright reveal trailer, uploaded today: 41,210
Views for Nova reveal trailer, uploaded today: 15,755 views
Views Nemesis reveal trailer, uploaded August 16th (2 months ago): 96,279

This is probably the closest a non-Smash game is going to get to create true character hype. I showed the trailer to some people I know earlier today and they all loved it. His style is adored by casuals and his moveset is making hardcore fighting game fans take notice. When you realize that Wrighto hasn't starred in a game in four years (and yeah, he isn't the main character of UMVC3, but after today he's definitely the star). Conversely, what's Gordon had recently? I love the guy, but Half-Life 3 is just nowhere to be found.


Counterpoint: Marvel vs Capcom 3 is a terrible franchise.
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#193 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/14/2011 7:15:03 PM | message detail
"How many people cared about Ike before the Brawl reveal?"

YOU TAKE THAT BACK RIGHT NOW
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#194 | pjbasis | Posted 10/14/2011 7:33:57 PM | message detail
Did Path of Radiance popularize "I fight for my friends" or "You'll get no sympathy from me"?

DIDNT THINK SO
#195 | Pondos | Posted 10/14/2011 8:05:38 PM | message detail
But did "I fight for my friends" or "You'll get no sympathy from me" popularize Ike?
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#196 | charmander6000 | Posted 10/14/2011 8:11:43 PM | message detail
#197 | Greyfeld | Posted 10/14/2011 8:57:38 PM | message detail
UltimaterializerX posted...
Counterpoint: Marvel vs Capcom 3 is a terrible franchise.

Counter-counterpoint: Shadow of the Colossus almost won its division final last year.
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#198 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 10/14/2011 9:07:35 PM | message detail
Whoops, the current poll didn't close at 12:00 AM like it should have and it's still possible to vote in it. Maybe it'll run for at least another 12 hours as a result of Bacon not noticing this. This same thing happened exactly a week ago, but the poll only ran for an extra 56 minutes and got 1300 votes during the extended time.
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#199 | HaRRicH | Posted 10/15/2011 8:41:10 AM | message detail
I wonder how bad Samus/Ridley are going to lose to Mario/Bowser this year. We've seen Samus stand up to him well enough in multi-way polls, but Mario was just shy of 60% on her the last time they were in a one-on-one poll. Whatever happens between Mario/Samus now though, Bowser can still destroy Ridley much worse than that:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4317

Then the Mario-series flattens the Metroid-series...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3998

...Mario/Bowser's games quadrupled Samus/Ridley's games twice this generation (plus they have NSMBW)...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2988
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4209

...and this is before considering the actual quality of their rivalries, where Mario/Bowser will look even better.


is a doubling outside of Mario/Bowser's reach here? That'd be a big loss for being that late in the contest, SFF or not.
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#200 | charmander6000 | Posted 10/15/2011 9:22:42 AM | message detail
A doubling is a bit much, but if Mario/Bowser pulls the SFF hammer he may be able to break 60% without too much problem.
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