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#401 | SuperAngelo128 | Posted 10/7/2011 8:24:52 PM | message detail
PartOfYourWorld posted...
IN FACT

Jill takes on Kirby in a night match.

caaaaaaaall me crazy!


I took it
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#402 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 10/7/2011 9:02:39 PM | message detail
WTF, the current poll didn't close at 12:00 AM like it should have. This same **** happened last year shortly before the GOTD. Oh boy, we might be in for a long 2 day poll if Bacon doesn't notice the poll didn't close.
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#403 | GranzonEx | Posted 10/7/2011 9:06:19 PM | message detail
I was refreshing for it. The poll usually doesn't update at 12 AM exact.
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#404 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 10/7/2011 9:16:12 PM | message detail | (edited)
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4484

That gives you a 404 error. The poll that should have gone up today isn't up at all. This poll ran for 40 hours because of a poll glitch:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4060

However, that poll went into the second day on a weekday and it had 66264 votes after the first 24 hours. Today's poll only had 51911 votes after the first 24 hours. Hourly vote distribution for the second day of last year's 40 hour poll:

Time | Votes
1:00 | 1682
2:00 | 1185
3:00 | 938
4:00 | 706
5:00 | 535
6:00 | 558
7:00 | 619
8:00 | 713
9:00 | 819
10:00 | 907
11:00 | 1122
12:00 | 1148
13:00 | 1209
14:00 | 1217
15:00 | 1159
16:00 | 1110
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#405 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 10/7/2011 9:09:48 PM | message detail
I picked Kirby/MK > Sonic/Robotnik, but in retrospect, both Kirby and MK get most of their strength due to SSB so perhaps I shouldn't jump so quickly on individual character strengths. Time to change that pick.

I took Samus/Ridley to the final four, but in retrospect that was a bad decision. It was based mostly on Ridley being able to wipe the floor The Boss and Ken, but I really have a feeling that "less storied" Nintendo rivalries are going to be bombing in this contest in comparison to stuff from, say, FFs or MGSs. It doesn't help that Nintendo in general is on a downswing, what with this site apparently caring more for the new Elder Scrolls than for the new Zelda.

I have no idea on the Pokemon trainers vs. the premier Street Fighters, and it doesn't help that I haven't played a game in either series (or at least, it has been FOREVER). I picked the Street Fighters because Ryu was more impressive last year than Red and because...oh yeah, it doesn't help that Ryu/Ken extends across an entire series while, to my knowledge, Red/Blue is in only one game and no one plays Pokemon for plot - in other words, Red/Blue will bomb just like every other Nintendo rivalry. Still I wouldn't be surprised if the trainers beat the street fighters.

Haha the IWBTG dudes made it.
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#406 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 10/7/2011 9:29:30 PM | message detail | (edited)
Okay, some words I have on the "big three" Nintendo rivalries plus some others:

Mario/Bowser - To my knowledge, the only Mario games where Bowser is really much of a constant presence are Super Mario Bros., Super Mario 64, New Super Mario Bros. (and this is being fairly generous - I haven't played this game but somewhere I heard that Bowser is both the first boss, the penultimate boss, and the final boss), and both Super Mario Galaxies. In Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario World, and Super Mario Sunshine, Bowser is little more than the final boss - essentially playing some version of Lavos' role, but given "character". ...can't really say much more.

Link/Ganondorf - Okay, I think I went over this earlier, but let's discuss Ganon's presence in all the major Zelda games:

Zelda 1 - Supposedly the main villain, but only appears as the final boss.
Zelda 2 - Silhouette appears in the Game Over Screen, but that's it.
A Link to the Past - Same role as Zelda 1
Ocarina of Time - First time he becomes more than simply the final boss, being a constant presence throughout the game...then again, I don't recall any appearances from Ganondorf in this game outside of the final boss room aside from when Link and Zelda first notice him as kids and just a little before the first mandatory visit to the Temple of Time.
Majora's Mask - Completely absent.
The Wind Waker - Probably the major Zelda title where he plays the biggest role in the story.
Twilight Princess - Once again little more than the final boss, and not even the major antagonist for heaven's sake.
Skyward Sword - Completely absent, supposedly.

That's TWO games he plays a major role in, out of which one of them is the supposed "black sheep" of the 3D Zeldas on this site. He's going to bring Link down, and I have nothing else to say.

Samus/Ridley - Analysis once again!

Metroid - Just a boss.
Metroid II - Completely absent.
Super Metroid - Now this is where Ridley truly becomes the major antagonist.
Metroid Fusion - Just a boss.
Metroid Prime - More or less plays an identical role to his Super Metroid counterpart (except...I'm not sure you could place the blame on any one character as being the antagonist of the Prime series!).
Metroid: Zero Mission - Appears twice, once as the final boss, but he's clearly not the main antagonist.
Metroid Prime 2 - Completely absent.
Metroid Prime 3 - Appears twice once again, just like in Super Metroid, Prime, and Zero Mission, but both times he's...just a boss.
Metroid: Other M - OH NO, FREAK LAB EXPERIMENT!!! *goes into PTSD*
(what's sad is that I actually like that cutscene, albeit mostly due to Ridley finally being given the movie monster treatment he deserves...but when you more or less consider Samus to be a female Mario, you're not going to care for story or personality)

Sonic/Robotnik - I don't think this has mattered in a major Sonic game ever since the Genesis days.
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#407 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/7/2011 9:32:05 PM | message detail
Friendly reminder: Crono hasn't won a match since 2008.
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#408 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/7/2011 9:34:19 PM | message detail

From: FateStayAlbion | #367
More like hardly anyone would recognize that as Shepard


yes because characters never get unrecognizable pics
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#409 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/7/2011 9:38:03 PM | message detail
Also, I may just be tired because I've been traveling a bunch the last couple days, but this bracket doesn't excite me. Nothing there really stands out at me as a "Man, I want to see that match." Some of it may be because I just don't know what to expect from this contest yet, but eh.

Glad Squall/Seifer got a 1 seed in a very winnable division, although they're going to get an SFF beatdown from Cloud/Sephiroth for all their trouble.

Speaking of Cloud/Sephy, why are they facing Link/Ganon in the semis? I know we're approaching 10 years since the first contest, but I don't think anyone wants to see Link/Mario SFF for a finals match.

Also augh augh augh at Tidus/Jecht vs. Big Boss/The Boss in round 1 terrible
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#410 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/7/2011 9:44:17 PM | message detail
And 500 boos to Ngamer for being a lamer and not wanting to do a season of The Show even though he wouldn't even have to do that many episodes
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#411 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 10/7/2011 9:46:26 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
From: FateStayAlbion | #367
More like hardly anyone would recognize that as Shepard
yes because characters never get unrecognizable pics


I don't deny that. Its just if theres the potential for getting an unrecognizable pic, the low chance of an upset win becomes even slimmer.
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#412 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 10/7/2011 9:50:54 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Also, I may just be tired because I've been traveling a bunch the last couple days, but this bracket doesn't excite me. Nothing there really stands out at me as a "Man, I want to see that match." Some of it may be because I just don't know what to expect from this contest yet, but eh.

Glad Squall/Seifer got a 1 seed in a very winnable division, although they're going to get an SFF beatdown from Cloud/Sephiroth for all their trouble.

Speaking of Cloud/Sephy, why are they facing Link/Ganon in the semis? I know we're approaching 10 years since the first contest, but I don't think anyone wants to see Link/Mario SFF for a finals match.

Also augh augh augh at Tidus/Jecht vs. Big Boss/The Boss in round 1 terrible


We won't get a Link > Mario finals. Cloud will stop all that Nintendo nonsense.

There are at least two major reasons why I think Nintendo will flop this contest, but I've already discussed them both.
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#413 | charmander6000 | Posted 10/7/2011 9:52:44 PM | message detail
Overall I'm pretty happy with the bracket.

So does any of the other 2 seeds win over Crono/Lavos?

Sonic/Robotnik
Sub-Zero/Scorpion
Fox/Wolf
Tidus/Jecht
Mega Man/Wily
Frog/Magus
Sora/Riku

I guess Mega Man/Wily would be favoured, but what about the others?
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#414 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/7/2011 9:53:55 PM | message detail
I'll take Sonic/Robotnik over Crono/Lavos.

The rest, I dunno. I wish he had done Frog/Magus vs. Crono/Lavos though.
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#415 | charmander6000 | Posted 10/7/2011 9:56:44 PM | message detail
#416 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/7/2011 9:59:49 PM | message detail
I still wanted to see it.
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#417 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 10/7/2011 10:02:29 PM | message detail
Boring, the poll from yesterday only ran for an extra 55 minutes. Only enough for an extra 1300 votes.
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#418 | DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 10/7/2011 10:28:28 PM | message detail
I dunno about you guys but Chell/GlaDOS could be such a wildcard here. Very recent, very popular games... and individually they are crap, but paired together, it actually is a very well known and well liked rivalry. If people take the concept of this bracket seriously instead of just voting for the more popular characters I could see them winning the division.
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#419 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/7/2011 10:29:43 PM | message detail
Quick question: Do they ever show Chell's face (other than you getting a look at her face through an adjacent portal) or do they ever refer to her by name in Portal 2?

If not, she could have the Gordon Freeman problem, pre-HL2. Being paired with GlaDOS should help, but I wonder how much people really care about Chell.
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#420 | KamikazePotato | Posted 10/7/2011 10:30:24 PM | message detail
I'm pretty sure neither Chell nor GlaDOS have their name referred to once in either Portal game.
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#421 | HaRRicH | Posted 10/7/2011 10:36:16 PM | message detail
Chell's face doesn't get face-time outside of looking through portals, but she also gets some Ratman-art through-out the game and Steam's shown her face plenty. Her name's never said, though you can find her name written in Portal 2. Doesn't Wheatley call GLaDOS by name? Cave Johnson does too, kinda.....
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#422 | KamikazePotato | Posted 10/7/2011 10:40:37 PM | message detail
I think Wheatley just says 'her' a lot.

Chell/Glados has the potential to be strong, and it deserves to be, but I don't really trust GameFAQs to make the connections!
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#423 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/7/2011 10:41:09 PM | message detail
Well, I just started Portal 2 the other night, so I wasn't really sure.
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#424 | HaRRicH | Posted 10/7/2011 10:47:06 PM | message detail
I'm glad you got that deal. Hope it's treating you well!
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#425 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/7/2011 11:07:34 PM | message detail
You know, I just realized Phoenix/Edgey vs. Gordon/Breen is a 12-hour night match.

Yep, I'm pulling the trigger on it.

The bigger question is: Will Phoenix beating Freeman revert GFNW back to its original state? This could be an important match!
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#426 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 10/7/2011 11:09:21 PM | message detail
Night match might be a good thing for Phoenix, as he's good in Europe. I don't remember Gordon's trends, at least not without looking them up.
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#427 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/7/2011 11:14:26 PM | message detail
Well, 12-hour night match is the best possible setup for Phoenix Wright. I'd worry a lot in a 24-hour match or a day match.

As far as Gordon's trends go, he only had day matches in 2010, so that doesn't help.

In GOTD...HL2 lost the ASV for L4D2. Lost the 2nd night vote period to GTA3 and GoW. Lost the ASV but won the 2nd night vote against Prime. No night matches for HL2 in GOTD either.

So that's a big tricky. Looking at 2008, the night vote is his best time, but that's what I would've figured anyway.
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#428 | KamikazePotato | Posted 10/7/2011 11:14:41 PM | message detail
Gordon is a night character as well, but it's hard to find a character more night-oriented than Phoenix.
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#429 | Djungelurban | Posted 10/7/2011 11:58:30 PM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
Night match might be a good thing for Phoenix, as he's good in Europe. I don't remember Gordon's trends, at least not without looking them up.

Well, PC is usually strong in Europe so yeah, might negate that advantage for Phoenix...
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#430 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/8/2011 12:01:55 AM | message detail
Phoenix/Edgey needs the following things:

1. For people to actually take the rivalry into account because Phoenix/Edgey is a great rivalry and from what I've heard from others, Freeman/Breen isn't that great
2. For Breen to be as bad or worse than Alyx Vance
3. For lots of Phoenix Wright hype from other games to help him out

But Freeman/Breen barely outdoing Raynor/Kerrigan kinda makes me think it won't do so hot here.
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#431 | Ngamer64 | Posted 10/8/2011 12:14:04 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
And 500 boos to Ngamer for being a lamer and not wanting to do a season of The Show even though he wouldn't even have to do that many episodes

Whoaaaaa now, nobody said that! I'm putting things together as we speak.

Now then, based on bracket placement, these were the top 48 most successful rallies this season in order:

1 1 Mario
2 1 Link
3 1 Cloud
4 1 Red
5 2 Samus
6 2 Phoenix
7 2 Squall
8 2 X
9 3 Sub-Zero
10 3 Sora
11 3 Frog
12 3 Tidus
13 4 Fox
14 4 Snake
15 4 Mega Man
16 4 Sonic
17 5 Kirby
18 5 Zidane
19 5 Crash
20 5 Ryu
21 6 Chris
22 6 Chell
23 6 Dante
24 6 Donkey Kong
25 7 Guybrush
26 7 Siegfried
27 7 Alucard
28 7 Terra
29 8 Luigi
30 8 Kratos
31 8 Amaterasu
32 8 Conker
33 9 Ike
34 9 Tom Nook
35 9 Layton
36 9 Cecil
37 10 Vyse
38 10 Shepard
39 10 Ramza
40 10 Bartz
41 11 Ezio
42 11 Sol
43 11 Ness
44 11 Dan
45 12 Ratchet
46 12 Pac-Man
47 12 Meat Boy
48 12 Jill

(second number is the seed they'd have been with a standard 1-16 format)

Aside from some clear "fixes" like pulling Sonic down on the ladder to create the Mario matchup, it looks like SB pretty much allowed the bracket to create itself this year. Which is fine by me!
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#432 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/8/2011 12:15:08 AM | message detail

From: Ngamer64 | #431
Whoaaaaa now, nobody said that!


I'm pretty sure I read a post where you said you weren't really wanting to do it because this contest is lame!
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#433 | red sox 777 | Posted 10/8/2011 12:54:50 AM | message detail
Crono has to face Solid/Liquid in round 1? So unfair!

Good thing Frog/Magus got a good seed, so they could go pretty far. Alucard/Magus suggests that picking Frog/Magus over Alucard/Dracula is a bad idea, but when there's any doubt, I'm going to go with CT.
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#434 | LeonhartFour | Posted 10/8/2011 12:56:44 AM | message detail
Note to self so I don't forget this tomorrow:

Run series of topics asking people to rank the rivalries in each division
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#435 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 10/8/2011 12:57:16 AM | message detail
Well I picked Phoenix Wright to R3 in the first 2010 contest and then picked Phoenix Wright > Mario Kart Wii in the second one and both backfired right in my face. I'm not picking Phoenix again. Phoenix struggled to break 40% on Gordon BEFORE the Orange Box, remember?
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#436 | red sox 777 | Posted 10/8/2011 1:03:49 AM | message detail
After setting up Sephiroth/Crono in round 3 last year and now THIS, I'm convinced Bacon has it out for Crono.

Haven't read the topic yet, but I'm guessing most people are going to end up taking Link/Ganon because of Skyward Sword? If it's like 80/20 or more for Link, I'm going to keep Cloud/Sephiroth as my pick. I think they've got a very real shot there even with SS coming out, and without it they're the favorite in my book.

I have Red/Blue losing to Mario/Bowser right now: pretty sure that going by pure character strength, they'd lose before that, but that's about as good of a "rivalry factor" as you're ever going to get.

My first instinct was to take Kirby/Meta-Knight over Sonic/Robotnik because Sonic and Kirby are pretty close and MK easily beats Robotnik. Plus it feels like a better rivalry by a bit (though I could be wrong on that).
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#437 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 10/8/2011 1:07:13 AM | message detail
How is Red/Blue supposed to be a "rivalry" factor? It's only in one game, and in that one game you...

...on second thought, I guess Pokemon is more plot-oriented than I thought.

Just to ask, how often does Red face Blue in Pokemon RBY? I wouldn't know because last time I played anything Pokemon was in 2003.
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#438 | red sox 777 | Posted 10/8/2011 1:08:53 AM | message detail
Friendly reminder: Crono hasn't won a match since 2008.

I hate you too. Although, I guess Crono made the final in 2008 and we didn't have a 2009 character battle so it's not so bad. I guess it's like in baseball where you should be satisfied with 1 world series every 8 years......here you have to be satisfied with 1 finals appearance every 8 years.
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#439 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 10/8/2011 1:11:58 AM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
Friendly reminder: Crono hasn't won a match since 2008.

I hate you too. Although, I guess Crono made the final in 2008 and we didn't have a 2009 character battle so it's not so bad. I guess it's like in baseball where you should be satisfied with 1 world series every 8 years......here you have to be satisfied with 1 finals appearance every 8 years.


As much as I love CT (despite having only played it for the first time mere months ago), Crono himself just doesn't matter THAT much to me.

That seems to be how most of the board feels about Crono anyway. For instance, Chrono Trigger itself is always in the upper echelon of strength in board contests, but in "Character of the Year 2010", Crono lost in R3 (albeit in the "wildcard round").
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#440 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 10/8/2011 1:13:36 AM | message detail
Crono round 1 exit again. This is beginning to become humorous
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#441 | red sox 777 | Posted 10/8/2011 1:16:51 AM | message detail | (edited)
That's definitely true for the board. CT has always been a top tier game on this board (since winning NGamer's original board games contest in 2003), while Crono has never been more than a midcarder. On Gamefaqs though, they're pretty similar with CT being a bit stronger (relative to other games of course).

So we've lost 20% of our voters since last year right? Or is it more than that? Say Snake/Crono is 55/45, as per last year's stats. If the 20% of voters who left split 75/25 in favor of Snake, Crono can do this. Alright everyone, it's time for HOPE AND CHANGE.
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#442 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 10/8/2011 1:15:04 AM | message detail
But this time it's expected and even though CT is now my favorite game, I will actually be voting against Crono/Lavos!

Now Frog/Magus, I will be supporting you guys all the way.
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#443 | JJH777 | Posted 10/8/2011 1:17:26 AM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...

Just to ask, how often does Red face Blue in Pokemon RBY? I wouldn't know because last time I played anything Pokemon was in 2003.


1. First fight of game
2. Outside of Pokemon league (optional)
3. Nugget Bridge
4. The cruise ship
5. On victory road (I think?)
6. As champion of the pokemon league

May be forgetting some but I think this is all.
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#444 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 10/8/2011 1:27:11 AM | message detail | (edited)
It's no secret anyway that GameFAQs has awful taste when it comes to characters.

It's a little better when it comes to games though, and I'm hoping that GameFAQs will choose wisely for rivalries.

Also as far as that banner...man, I forgot that ZSS' Brawl incarnation had that much hair. I still like the hilarious pose though (although if it was meant to emphasize Samus's breasts, I sure didn't notice - otherwise, it kinda looks like a ferocious predator ready to pounce on their prey).

Why do people care so much for "breasts" again? For me it's always the face that grabs attention first, then the outfit. I barely ever notice the b-things.

Is this another product of how little exposure I had to fiction when I was younger?
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#445 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 10/8/2011 1:19:24 AM | message detail
So we've lost 20% of our voters since last year right?

Hard to say. We only had 4 24-hour matches during the last contest (including the bonus match) and it's hard to come to a conclusion about the average vote total for the 24 hour matches because there were only 4 of them. For this contest, we will have 31 matches that are 24-hours, so we'll know for sure if we are going to deal with 2002 level vote totals again.
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#446 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 10/8/2011 1:19:25 AM | message detail
JJH777 posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...

Just to ask, how often does Red face Blue in Pokemon RBY? I wouldn't know because last time I played anything Pokemon was in 2003.

1. First fight of game
2. Outside of Pokemon league (optional)
3. Nugget Bridge
4. The cruise ship
5. On victory road (I think?)
6. As champion of the pokemon league

May be forgetting some but I think this is all.


!!!

I thought it would be three times tops! Thanks for the info.
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#447 | jonthomson | Posted 10/8/2011 1:21:27 AM | message detail
snake/snake vs crono/lavos is kind of brutal for a round 1 matchup
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#448 | JJH777 | Posted 10/8/2011 1:22:30 AM | message detail
Looked it up and there are actually two more battles with him:

1. First fight of game
2. Outside of Pokemon league (optional)
3. Nugget Bridge
4. The cruise ship
5. Pokemon tower
6. Silph Co.
7. On route 22
8. As champion of the pokemon league
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#449 | red sox 777 | Posted 10/8/2011 1:25:32 AM | message detail
Hi Luster, if you have the numbers could you post the average votals for the 2010 character contest and games contest? I seem to remember votals falling about 20% between those contests in the span of like 6 months. And the 2010 character contest is the relevant one here, since that's the last time we saw characters in action.

I'm thinking we may have as much as a 33% decline in votals from that contest to this one, which could create some really big shifts. The shifts wouldn't be very predictable, of course. But it would be likely that we'll have a big shift of some kind, a la 2003, 2005, or 2008.
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#450 | swirIdude | Posted 10/8/2011 1:33:38 AM | message detail
I'm thinking of taking Gordon/Breen to win the division. Thoughts?
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