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#251 | XIII_rocks | Posted 10/7/2011 2:31:53 PM | message detail
Anyway, made my "for fun" entry really quickly using XIII_socks

Going to put more thought into my OMG KARMA ENTRY
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#252 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 10/7/2011 2:32:01 PM | message detail
#253 | KamikazePotato | Posted 10/7/2011 2:36:11 PM | message detail
Yeah, I think there's something to be said for Red/Blue having a much bigger presence inside of the game than Ryu/Ken. Ryu/Ken is more of a rivalry created outside of the game. I'm not sure which is better (Mario/Sonic is an out-of-game rivalry and would clobber everything here), but it's something to think about.
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#254 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 10/7/2011 2:38:06 PM | message detail
Big Boss/The Boss will probably break 60% on Tidus/Jecht.

Gut reactions on the bracket more generally:

- Mario vs. Sonic in divison one! Kind of!
- X vs. Zero has a boring path - don't see it breaking a sweat in its division and don't see them troubling Mario/Bowser.
- Pokemon Trainers/Luigi/Ryu/Ken make division three look interesting.
- Look out for Big Boss/The Boss vs. Samus/Ridley. Should be closer than many will expect.
- Solid/Liquid vs. Crono/Lavos R1? And the winner gets beaten up by Cloud/Seph? What a waste.
- Phoenix Wright vs. Edgeworth is not only a 1-seed... they're the the 1-seed of a super open division. Any one of four or five could win this and I wouldn't be surprised. Could Frog/Magus actually do it? Probably not, but they'll get further than Crono!
- Last division looks good. Dante/Vergil vs. Sora/Riku, winner vs. Squall/Seifer. Should get debated a lot.

- The real final ends up in the SFs, so we'll probably see a Link > Mario finals again. Hopefully X/Zero, Ryu/Ken, or the Pokemon Trainers can get involved in the top half to make it more interesting than it looks.

Bracket gets 5.5/10 on a first runthrough.
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#255 | XIII_rocks | Posted 10/7/2011 2:38:47 PM | message detail
So Red/Blue. What kind of strength are we thinking for that? I want to say it makes the semis...

Anyway. I want the Big Boss > Tidus etc upset special so badly but I'm not sure I can pull the trigger
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#256 | ZFS | Posted 10/7/2011 2:39:28 PM | message detail
Big Boss > Tidus isn't what I would consider an upset.
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#257 | KamikazePotato | Posted 10/7/2011 2:40:08 PM | message detail
Does Jecht even beat The Boss?
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#258 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 10/7/2011 2:41:15 PM | message detail | (edited)
People never learn that nobody cares about Pokemon humans, huh? I figured after Red barely beat Ocelot, they would tone it down a bit
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#259 | Xuxon | Posted 10/7/2011 2:41:35 PM | message detail
i don't see Dante being a match for Sora in this format, not in a day match for sure
#260 | XIII_rocks | Posted 10/7/2011 2:42:11 PM | message detail
mmm I guess.

I don't know though, I feel like it's a difficult one.
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#261 | KamikazePotato | Posted 10/7/2011 2:42:47 PM | message detail
I picked Dante>Sora, even though it probably doesn't pan out. No way I'm not supporting one of my absolute favorite rivalries over them.
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#262 | XIII_rocks | Posted 10/7/2011 2:43:10 PM | message detail
FateStayAlbion posted...
People never learn that nobody cares about Pokemon humans, huh? I figured after Red barely beat Ocelot, they would tone it down a bit

I'd vote Red/Blue over a lot of things, without really caring about Red. Red/Blue is a classic gaming thing, it symbolizes RBY.
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#263 | KamikazePotato | Posted 10/7/2011 2:43:27 PM | message detail
There's nothing really that difficult about it. Big Boss>Tidus, Jecht~The Boss, both are actual good rivalries. BossBoss is the safe pick there.
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#264 | KamikazePotato | Posted 10/7/2011 2:44:05 PM | message detail
Heh. I can't wait to make pictures for Red/Blue. If 'Smell ya later' hasn't been in one by the end of the contest, I've failed.
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#265 | ffmasterjose | Posted 10/7/2011 2:44:06 PM | message detail
I took Big Boss and The Boss over Teedus and Jecht and loved it. Taking Scorpion and Sub pretty far too, damn my love for Mortal Kombat.
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#266 | voltch | Posted 10/7/2011 2:45:15 PM | message detail
Squall/Seifer more like team OWNFACE
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#267 | ZFS | Posted 10/7/2011 2:45:40 PM | message detail
Dante/Vergil should win that one, but I picked Sora/Riku because Kingdom Hearts is popular for some reason!
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#268 | TheArkOfTurus | Posted 10/7/2011 2:46:26 PM | message detail

From: ffmasterjose | #265
I took Big Boss and The Boss over Teedus and Jecht and loved it. Taking Scorpion and Sub pretty far too, damn my love for Mortal Kombat.


Glad I'm not the only person taking Sub/Scorp over Leon/Ada (and Donkey Kong). It's probably a dumb decision, but it just feels right.
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#269 | ZFS | Posted 10/7/2011 2:47:43 PM | message detail
I have Sub-Zero/Scorpion going pretty far, too. I don't think anyone matches up to them until the division final.
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#270 | KamikazePotato | Posted 10/7/2011 2:47:45 PM | message detail
Subby/Scorpion vs. Leon is a tricky match. I'm siding with the MK duo because I think they get a much bigger boost from the format than Leon/Ada. Also Ada is pretty darn weak.
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#271 | Xuxon | Posted 10/7/2011 2:48:20 PM | message detail
yeah i don't think Sub/Scorp winning 2 matches is an upset
#272 | KamikazePotato | Posted 10/7/2011 2:48:37 PM | message detail
Oh and yeah, whoever wins that smashes DK.
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#273 | Xuxon | Posted 10/7/2011 2:49:01 PM | message detail
does DK even make it to round 2?
#274 | TheArkOfTurus | Posted 10/7/2011 2:50:14 PM | message detail
Kinda surprised people are going with the MK duo after Subby looked pretty weak last character battle.

...Wait, Mortal Kombat 9 is a thing, isn't it? Guess it wasn't as dumb a decision as I thought <_<.
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#275 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 10/7/2011 2:51:04 PM | message detail
Nothing dumb about taking Subby/Scorpion out of their fourpack. Subby is comparable to Yuna and their rivalry beats DK/Krool and Yuna/Seymour.
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#276 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 10/7/2011 2:51:23 PM | message detail

From: TheArkOfTurus | #274
Kinda surprised people are going with the MK duo after Subby looked pretty weak last character battle.

...Wait, Mortal Kombat 9 is a thing, isn't it? Guess it wasn't as dumb a decision as I thought <_<.


Pretty weak? Says who?
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#277 | Xuxon | Posted 10/7/2011 2:53:16 PM | message detail
Sub/Scorp are against Leon/Ada round 1

though Fox/Wolf vs Yuna/Seymour is debatable as well
#278 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 10/7/2011 2:53:51 PM | message detail | (edited)
My upsets:

Sub-Zero/Scorpion making their division final (actually had them winning until I realized X/Zero should be damn strong).
Luigi/Waluigi winning their division.
Shepard/Saren winning their division.

Other than that, a pretty basic bracket, with M/B over S/R, L/G over C/S, with L/G winning it all.
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#279 | TheArkOfTurus | Posted 10/7/2011 2:54:18 PM | message detail

From: KanzarisKelshen | #276
Pretty weak? Says who?


His performance against Roxas wasn't exactly inspiring, and he couldn't avoid getting doubled by Samus. Not a horrible performance, but pretty unimpressive imho.
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#280 | KamikazePotato | Posted 10/7/2011 2:55:07 PM | message detail
Considering Samus almost beat Cloud that year, I'd say he ended up looking fine when all was said and done. This was pre-Mortalk Kombat 9, too.
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#281 | XIII_rocks | Posted 10/7/2011 2:56:03 PM | message detail
Snake going to make the finals because of an MGS HD collection boost imo imo
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#282 | KamikazePotato | Posted 10/7/2011 2:57:11 PM | message detail
Fox/Yuna is bleh. I really want to take Yuna there but Fox probably beats her straight-up and that vote-in performance was pitiful.
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#283 | ffmasterjose | Posted 10/7/2011 2:57:38 PM | message detail
I'm glad to see Seifer in a contest, not happy about him and Squall getting fed to Cloud/Sephiroth. But I'm still gonna have fun voting for THE ROMANTIC DREAMTEAM as long as I can!
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#284 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 10/7/2011 2:57:38 PM | message detail
Shepard/Saren winning their division.

This will make or break my bracket. They could lose round 1, but I feel that Mass Effect is significant enough now to win that division
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#285 | TheArkOfTurus | Posted 10/7/2011 2:58:13 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #280
Considering Samus almost beat Cloud that year, I'd say he ended up looking fine when all was said and done. This was pre-Mortalk Kombat 9, too.


Damn, I completely forgot about Samus/Cloud. Yeah, that makes the performance look much less bad.
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#286 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 10/7/2011 2:59:29 PM | message detail

From: ffmasterjose | #283
I'm glad to see Seifer in a contest, not happy about him and Squall getting fed to Cloud/Sephiroth. But I'm still gonna have fun voting for THE ROMANTIC DREAMTEAM as long as I can!


I would have killed for a chance to see Squall/Seifer against X/Zero. The latter team is stronger by the numbers, but Squall is probably a little better than X and he has a very compelling story with Seifer.
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#287 | GrapefruitKing | Posted 10/7/2011 2:59:54 PM | message detail
The Great Mighty Poo is in a contest
I can die happily now
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#288 | Kamekguy | Posted 10/7/2011 3:03:09 PM | message detail
So... I'm a dreamer but what are the odds of Conker/Poo escaping their match against Ike? Because I'd like to think that Poo would be stronger than Prinny by a good deal due to more mass joke appeal, and I'd say the Disgaea and N64 Rare fanbases are roughly equal, using Banjo/Gruntilda as a gauge. Is it a night match or day?
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#289 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/7/2011 3:05:24 PM | message detail
I think the only pairing I've given any debate to is Red/Blue. I really, really want to take Cecil/Golbez over them due to night match and Cecil is probably stronger than Red, but at the same time I could see Red/Blue beating Ryu/Ken.
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#290 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 10/7/2011 3:06:14 PM | message detail
Hell yeah, 12 hour matches for round 1 and 24 hour matches for round 2 and beyond. This is the best thing I was hoping for. This means a 47 day contest. With half of the contest having 24 hour matches, it will be possible to determine the average vote totals for the 24 hour matches in this contest. Then we'll know for sure if we are really dealing with 2002 level vote totals.

As for the bracket, the 1 and 3 seeds have night matches and the 2 and 4 seeds get the day matches.
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#291 | XIII_rocks | Posted 10/7/2011 3:06:23 PM | message detail
WarThaNemesis2 posted...
I think the only pairing I've given any debate to is Red/Blue. I really, really want to take Cecil/Golbez over them due to night match and Cecil is probably stronger than Red, but at the same time I could see Red/Blue beating Ryu/Ken.

Red/Blue going all the way to the semi-finals.
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#292 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 10/7/2011 3:07:35 PM | message detail
WarThaNemesis2 posted...
I think the only pairing I've given any debate to is Red/Blue. I really, really want to take Cecil/Golbez over them due to night match and Cecil is probably stronger than Red, but at the same time I could see Red/Blue beating Ryu/Ken.

2nd round and on are full matches

>For each poll, two rivalries will battle it out, and the winner will move on. For the first round of 32, there will be two battles per day - one from 9:00PM to 9:00AM Pacific Time, the second from 9:00AM to 9:00PM, with the remaining rounds being full 24-hour votes.
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#293 | Xuxon | Posted 10/7/2011 3:08:24 PM | message detail
oh wow, didn't notice that. so Luster's idea was actually picked.
#294 | ZFS | Posted 10/7/2011 3:08:34 PM | message detail
Here's my last part of the bracket. Ryu/Ken aside it feels pretty normal. Maybe there will be some upset along the way that no one sees coming.

Mario vs. Bowser / X vs. Zero
Ryu vs. Ken / Samus vs. Ridley
Link vs. Ganondorf / Frog vs. Magus
Cloud vs. Sephiroth / Squall vs. Seifer

Mario vs. Bowser / Ryu vs. Ken
Link vs. Ganondorf / Cloud vs. Sephiroth

Link vs. Ganondorf > Mario vs. Bowser
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#295 | KamikazePotato | Posted 10/7/2011 3:08:48 PM | message detail
You have Cecil/Golbez beating Luigi/Waluigi? I mean...Luigi/Walugi is a terrible rivalry but man.
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#296 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 10/7/2011 3:08:58 PM | message detail
Cecil/Golbez > Luigi/Waluigi? Unless Waluigi is the greatest vote repellent ever to grace contest history that's not going to happen, surely.
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#297 | GrapefruitKing | Posted 10/7/2011 3:10:43 PM | message detail
Mario vs. Bowser / X vs. Zero
Ryu vs. Ken / Samus vs. Ridley
Link vs. Ganondorf / Frog vs. Magus
Cloud vs. Sephiroth / Squall vs. Seifer

Mario vs. Bowser / Ryu vs. Ken
Link vs. Ganondorf / Cloud vs. Sephiroth

Link vs. Ganondorf > Mario vs. Bowser


That's exactly what I have
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#298 | KamikazePotato | Posted 10/7/2011 3:11:43 PM | message detail
I've got Alucard/Dracula winning their division. They seem like a much more potent force than Frog/Magus.
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#299 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 10/7/2011 3:12:11 PM | message detail
ZFS posted...
Here's my last part of the bracket. Ryu/Ken aside it feels pretty normal. Maybe there will be some upset along the way that no one sees coming.

Mario vs. Bowser / X vs. Zero
Ryu vs. Ken / Samus vs. Ridley
Link vs. Ganondorf / Frog vs. Magus
Cloud vs. Sephiroth / Squall vs. Seifer

Mario vs. Bowser / Ryu vs. Ken
Link vs. Ganondorf / Cloud vs. Sephiroth

Link vs. Ganondorf > Mario vs. Bowser


Exactly what I have, except Shepard/Saren replacing Frog/Magus
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#300 | swirIdude | Posted 10/7/2011 3:14:10 PM | message detail
I have Frog/Magus winning their division.

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