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#251 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/27/2011 11:20:58 AM | message detail
Well, I just don't want X/Sigma getting in over X/Zero because one of them was in the database and the other wasn't.
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#252 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/27/2011 11:27:37 AM | message detail
PartOfYourWorld posted...
From: LeonhartFour | #211
Yeah, I'm not sure why we think Samus/Ridley is any worse than Mega Man/Wily or Protoman.
Well, at least there's the sense that Mega Man has a real rivalry with those two characters. Voters may indeed vote differently in this contest - it's a contest based on rivalries, so it shouldn't surprise anyone if many voters actually take the rivalries into consideration when voting. Samus/Ridley is a pretty terrible. Ridley is more of a WHOAMG RANDOM BOSS FIGHT than a true rival. Unless Other M changed things (and no one on this site played it to find out), Samus has never really developed a rivalry with anyone. Even as far as tenacious bosses go, Ridley has nothing on someone like Nemesis.


Nemesis sucks.
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#253 | abdou | Posted 9/27/2011 11:39:11 AM | message detail
RE3 sucks, but Nemesis is awesome.
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#254 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/27/2011 11:48:41 AM | message detail
RE3 grew on me a lot more during the second playthrough. Live decisions, dodging, and the constant pressure of Nemesis made it the most action-packed RE yet. Resident Evil 4 reinvented the series, but it was RE3 that laid out some of that early groundwork. Jill/Nemmy is one of the most unique hero/villain relationships I've ever seen in a game. He's just so relentless - it's probably the one game that best captures that old slasher flick atmosphere, when you're running from a Jason or a Leatherface whose only goal is to see you dead. To her credit, Jill is extremely capable, but even she feels helpless against the merciless mutation.

I know it's a stretch since the games are so weak, but it feels like Jill/Nemmy is one of the pairings that this contest was made for. It's like Jason vs. the chick who survives, although in this case, the chick is one of the most awesome heroines in gaming, and Jason is seven feet tall, sprints everywhere, and carries a rocket launcher.
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#255 | ZFS | Posted 9/27/2011 11:51:28 AM | message detail
Nemesis sucks sounds about right
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#256 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/27/2011 11:52:44 AM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #254
Jill/Nemmy is one of the most unique hero/villain relationships I've ever seen in a game. He's just so relentless - it's probably the one game that best captures that old slasher flick atmosphere, when you're running from a Jason or a Leatherface whose only goal is to see you dead. To her credit, Jill is extremely capable, but even she feels helpless against the merciless mutation.


That actually does sound pretty awesome.

I love bad guys who are relentless like that.
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#257 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/27/2011 11:53:08 AM | message detail
You guys must have died to him an awful lot. I got smeared a lot by Krauser last night (first time playing Pro with non-Wii controls since 2005), and I was thinking "man this guy sucks."
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#258 | ZFS | Posted 9/27/2011 11:54:25 AM | message detail
Krauser is awesome! Nemesis, though, who cares.
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#259 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 9/27/2011 12:04:33 PM | message detail
I believe Ridley actually canonically killed Samus' mother, so there's definitely a rivalry there. Also, Ridley is the leader of the Space Pirates. He's certainly more than just a random recurring boss.
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#260 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/27/2011 12:05:41 PM | message detail
The thing with Ridley is (unless I'm mistaken) very little of the backstory between him and Samus is elaborated in-game. It's mostly stuff you get from supplemental materials and stuff like scanning in the Prime games.
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#261 | ZFS | Posted 9/27/2011 12:10:33 PM | message detail
That's all true, but I don't even think it's necessary to know. Samus versus Ridley has been ongoing since Metroid 1. It's a long established rivalry -- he even makes multiple appearances per game sometimes. He's definitely more than a random boss.
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#262 | ZFS | Posted 9/27/2011 12:13:38 PM | message detail
Although that isn't to say Samus/Ridley will be the top tier, just that it's not any less of a rivalry than some of these others (Mega Man/Wily, Jill/Nemesis). Ridley would probably be far more popular if he was in Smash Bros., but TOO BIG.
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#263 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/27/2011 12:14:30 PM | message detail
Hey, Ridley's in Brawl!
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#264 | ZFS | Posted 9/27/2011 12:15:08 PM | message detail
Best part of SSE!
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#265 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 9/27/2011 12:15:47 PM | message detail
Honestly, as far as I'm concerned Samus / Ridley is a better rivalry than Link / Ganondorf, but I know the voters don't agree with me on that one.
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#266 | ZFS | Posted 9/27/2011 12:17:49 PM | message detail
Samus/Ridley is great, yeah. It's one of my nominations, and I'd vote for them over most.
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#267 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 9/27/2011 12:19:13 PM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
Einstein/Hitler was started by someone on 4chan. They actually linked to the nomination form and told people to create a GameFAQs account so they could nominate Einstein/Hitler. People on 4chan also nominated other legit rivalries so their nominations don't appear to be suspicious.

That one was 4chan?

Doesn't surprise me. I knew they wouldn't ignore this completely. Still, someone accused Barkley/Jordan of being 4chan's doing, which it clearly wasn't.
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#268 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 9/27/2011 12:24:49 PM | message detail | (edited)
TsunamiXXVIII posted...
-LusterSoldier- posted...
Einstein/Hitler was started by someone on 4chan. They actually linked to the nomination form and told people to create a GameFAQs account so they could nominate Einstein/Hitler. People on 4chan also nominated other legit rivalries so their nominations don't appear to be suspicious.

That one was 4chan?

Doesn't surprise me. I knew they wouldn't ignore this completely. Still, someone accused Barkley/Jordan of being 4chan's doing, which it clearly wasn't.


Technically it was 4chan, and it wasn't. I was the one who made that first topic there, and I post on both places. After that one gained steam, other people were making the subsequent topics though
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#269 | foxhead84 | Posted 9/27/2011 1:31:49 PM | message detail | (edited)
Coming back on the pool of the day for a second

It''s really impressive how a series (Castlevania) can be so ignored by most (54% have owned one or zero copy) and love to death (10 copy or more) by near 8% of the people.

I'm saying that 8% is quite big... How many people owned 10 or more copy of a Final Fantasy game??? (and i'm not sure that half of the people have more than 2 copy)
#270 | Advokaiser | Posted 9/27/2011 4:10:35 PM | message detail | (edited)
foxhead84 posted...
I'm saying that 8% is quite big... How many people owned 10 or more copy of a Final Fantasy game??? (and i'm not sure that half of the people have more than 2 copy)

I think you're misunderstanding. Hardly anyone would have more than ONE copy of a Final Fantasy game (or any game at all). The poll is referring to the amount of games in the series that you've owned. I've only owned Super Castlevania IV and Castlevania: Curse of Darkness, so I voted "Between 2 and 5" on the poll.

Although I agree that 54% is a very surprising percentage for people who haven't owned a single game in that series.
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#271 | Advokaiser | Posted 9/27/2011 4:16:44 PM | message detail
Anyway...

Luster, can you give me an update of the Rivalries listed in the database?
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#272 | Ngamer64 | Posted 9/27/2011 4:17:13 PM | message detail
UPDATE

SB explained himself this morning after we continued to pressure him over Mario/Sonic.

Message From AdmiralZephyr on 09/27/2011
Why aren't Mario and Sonic allowed? Technically they were rivals in Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games, that makes the entry valid.

Message From GameFAQs on 09/27/2011
It's not that they're not allowed, it's that the voting isn't remotely close.


Well jeez, could have saved himself 500 posts of getting bashed by just saying that in the first place! But cool, that's much more justifiable than outright banning them.

Still, the whole thing reeks of self-fulfilling prophecy. "Ah hah, I KNEW everyone wanted to see Bowser! Mario/Bowser, the #3 option that was suggested in the database from the minute the form went up, got way more votes that the Mario/Sonic team that I refused to add to the database, ignored for the first three days of nominations, then suggested was probably ineligible on day four. I was right all along!"

Which means we're also likely to see MM/Wily and X/Sigma in the bracket instead of them playing Proto and Zero, as it's the same situation there. (SB doesn't consider them the "real rivals" so he's giving them the huge disadvantage of never getting into the database.)
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#273 | Ngamer64 | Posted 9/27/2011 4:19:32 PM | message detail
The update is that there's been no update; SB hasn't added any new rivalries since 30 minutes after the nomination form came up.

Full list:

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AgBWiYjlMLwYdFdYeXoxbmcyYjJnMEZLYmhsTzFWS0E
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#274 | Advokaiser | Posted 9/27/2011 4:24:03 PM | message detail | (edited)
Yeah, I've been checking that spreadsheet since Luster posted it, but as it hasn't spawn any kind of update, I thought that maybe it was just an "old version" of the database or something.
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#275 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/27/2011 4:31:14 PM | message detail | (edited)
No new suggestions were added to the database today. I don't think there will be anymore additions before nominations close.


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#276 | Zylo the wolf | Posted 9/27/2011 4:33:04 PM | message detail
I love that Dan Hibiki and Sagat are suggested. Hopefully they will make it and be the two most interesting newcomers this year.

Speaking of newcomers which other characters can we expect? Dr Cortex?
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#277 | Advokaiser | Posted 9/27/2011 4:33:16 PM | message detail
Ok.

How have the trends been going for the number of nominations in the last few days?
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#278 | Advokaiser | Posted 9/27/2011 4:36:11 PM | message detail
Zylo the wolf posted...
I love that Dan Hibiki and Sagat are suggested. Hopefully they will make it and be the two most interesting newcomers this year.

Speaking of newcomers which other characters can we expect? Dr Cortex?



I'd be really happy!

Wheatley from Portal 2, perhaps.
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#279 | SubDeity | Posted 9/27/2011 4:36:39 PM | message detail
I think everybody is drastically underrating Red/Blue's chances for winning. They're going to be a 1 seed. RBY has immense nostalgia power. Most importantly, though, Red/Blue is easily the most famous rivalry in gaming and I think a lot of voters will take that seriously. Everybody has played RBY and Gary Oak being a dick is one of the game's most memorable aspects.

It's not a sure thing but I doubt anything but L/G, C/S, or M/B could challenge it.
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#280 | Advokaiser | Posted 9/27/2011 4:39:17 PM | message detail
SubDeity posted...
It's not a sure thing but I doubt anything but L/G, C/S, or M/B could challenge it.

I think Charizard/Blastoise > Mario/Bowser is not such a crazy upset.
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#281 | XxSoulxX | Posted 9/27/2011 4:40:03 PM | message detail
I think everybody is drastically underrating Red/Blue's chances for winning. They're going to be a 1 seed. RBY has immense nostalgia power. Most importantly, though, Red/Blue is easily the most famous rivalry in gaming and I think a lot of voters will take that seriously. Everybody has played RBY and Gary Oak being a dick is one of the game's most memorable aspects.

To put it bluntly, the Pokemon trainers aren't close to the popularity of the Pokemon themselves. Charizard/Blastoise will be the strongest Pokemon rep in this contest if it makes it in. Same deal as last contest. People argued for Red being this strong character, much stronger then Charizard, and they were proven wrong because Red's not that popular.
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#282 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/27/2011 7:25:32 PM | message detail

From: SubDeity | #279
I think everybody is drastically underrating Red/Blue's chances for winning. They're going to be a 1 seed. RBY has immense nostalgia power. Most importantly, though, Red/Blue is easily the most famous rivalry in gaming and I think a lot of voters will take that seriously.


I think you're overblowing the importance of this rivalry a bit.
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#283 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/27/2011 7:31:34 PM | message detail
I'm still amazed that the Red > MMX talk from last year wasn't laughed at on site.
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#284 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/27/2011 7:34:31 PM | message detail
Charizard is a lot stronger than Red. Blastoise (or whoever Charizard would get) is bound to be a HELL of a lot stronger than Red's rival. True, the rivalry between the trainers is a pretty good one, and it may give them a boost of synergy, but I doubt they'd be near the strength of actual Pokemon.
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#285 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/27/2011 7:39:49 PM | message detail
Are there any characters we would expect to be stronger as a team because of how famous their rivalry is than they normally would be?

Mario/Sonic is the obvious one many of us are thinking of and why we're trying to get it into the contest, but who else?
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#286 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/27/2011 7:50:33 PM | message detail
Red > MMX was laughed at!
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#287 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/27/2011 7:51:10 PM | message detail
#288 | ZFS | Posted 9/27/2011 7:51:46 PM | message detail
is there a reason that charizard/blastoise are considered rivals outside of the fact that one of them is fire and another is water
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#289 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/27/2011 7:52:33 PM | message detail
They're considered rivals because we want a strong Pokemon duo in this contest.
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#290 | ZFS | Posted 9/27/2011 7:53:33 PM | message detail
Haha. Well, I guess there's that.
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#291 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 9/27/2011 8:12:57 PM | message detail
It's a clear rivalry. One is on the cover of red version and the other is on the cover of blue version.
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#292 | SubDeity | Posted 9/27/2011 8:16:18 PM | message detail
To put it bluntly, the Pokemon trainers aren't close to the popularity of the Pokemon themselves. Charizard/Blastoise will be the strongest Pokemon rep in this contest if it makes it in. Same deal as last contest. People argued for Red being this strong character, much stronger then Charizard, and they were proven wrong because Red's not that popular.

The Pokemon trainers themselves aren't very popular, but as a duo I'd guess they're much stronger than either of them alone, which is more than you can say for just about any other entrant (except perhaps Fox/Wolf).
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#293 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/27/2011 8:17:19 PM | message detail

From: AxemRedRanger | #291
It's a clear rivalry. One is on the cover of red version and the other is on the cover of blue version.


...How does that make it a rivalry?

Is Pikachu considered their rival, too, because he's on the cover of Yellow?
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#294 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 9/27/2011 8:19:59 PM | message detail | (edited)
No, because Yellow was released later on rather than simultaneously.
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#295 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 9/27/2011 8:25:27 PM | message detail
If you choose Charmander as your first Pokemon, your rival will choose Squirtle. It's a rivalry in starter choice. They also had a awesome Charizard vs Blastoise fight in the anime.
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#296 | ZFS | Posted 9/27/2011 8:26:08 PM | message detail
AxemRedRanger posted...
It's a clear rivalry. One is on the cover of red version and the other is on the cover of blue version.

This really doesn't make them rivals, just representatives of their respective "colors."

In any case, I was just curious, because the whole "Rivalry Factor" seems to be getting brought up time and again, and most of these people are ranking Charizard/Blastoise highly, so I was curious if any sort of rivalry actually existed between them. I sure don't remember it in the game!
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#297 | ZFS | Posted 9/27/2011 8:27:20 PM | message detail
Team Rocket Elite posted...
If you choose Charmander as your first Pokemon, your rival will choose Squirtle. It's a rivalry in starter choice. They also had a awesome Charizard vs Blastoise fight in the anime.

Oh, that makes sense, then. I wouldn't consider this a notable rivalry, but good to know it actually exists!
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#298 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/27/2011 8:28:24 PM | message detail

From: Team Rocket Elite | #295
If you choose Charmander as your first Pokemon, your rival will choose Squirtle. It's a rivalry in starter choice. They also had a awesome Charizard vs Blastoise fight in the anime.


Well, wouldn't that technically make the rivalry Charmander/Squirtle?
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#299 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 9/27/2011 8:30:43 PM | message detail
By the end of the game, most will train their Charmander into a Charizard and your rival's strongest Pokemon will be Blastoise.
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#300 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/27/2011 8:31:53 PM | message detail
Regardless, it's more the rival's choice than the Pokemon themselves having any sort of conscious choice in the matter.
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