GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1003
I think the only way Mario/Bowser wins is if they don't have to face Link/Ganondorf, which would mean Cloud/Sephiroth beat them. But if Cloud/Sephiroth wins that match, then I don't see Mario/Bowser beating them either. --- http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7760/222bj.jpg |
  |
The thing with relationship is that Link/Ganon isn't that
bad. In fact it's not even bad. It's certainly not great, like
Cloud/Sephiroth, but it's good enough to handle something like
Mario/Bowser where Bowser is about as strong as Ganondorf and Link blows
Mario out of the water. --- 90s games > 00s games |
Link/Ganon at 35%, ha. --- peace comes from within |
It's certainly not great, like Cloud/Sephiroth Why is it not? --- peace comes from within |
Because Ganondorf sucks, obviously. Bad villains make terrible rivals. --- Support Barret Wallace (Final Fantasy VII) for Character Battle IX! http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3834/banner1barret.jpg |
I
just realized that we should be seeing very few SFF matches this
contest, since characters will already be paired with others from their
own series. So this could end up being a pretty good contest, as
unappealing as the idea sounds. --- 90s games > 00s games |
Yeah, Leon's got it. Ganondorf just isn't that great a villain. And that's why he's not all that strong in these contests. --- 90s games > 00s games |
The thing with relationship is that Link/Ganon isn't that bad. In fact it's not even bad. Agreed. I think as long as people see it as a legitimate rivalry and not necessarily a "better one" than Cloud/Sephiroth, I don't see them standing much of a chance. --- *is Dranze* |
GameFAQs
disagrees! Ganondorf is the second most popular villain on the site! I
know why someone would say that Cloud/Sephiroth is a better rivalry, but
it's not nearly as classic, which I would give more importance than
being better "characters." I think you can rationalize Cloud/Sephiroth
winning well enough, but I don't think it happens. --- peace comes from within |
There
is absolutely no reason to prefer Link/Ganon over any other
'Hero/Villain' rivalry outside of 'I like Zelda games'. Link is the
protagonist, and he stops Ganondorf. That's about the extent of their
rivalry. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Ganondorf is the second most popular villain on the site! Precisely. And he's far closer to 3rd than 1st. In fact he might even be 3rd (I know lots of people in here would be willing to take Bowser > Ganon). --- 90s games > 00s games |
From: ZFS | #059 Unfortunately. All the voters will need to be reminded of is the last boss fight of OoT, and they'll be all over it. --- http://www.gifsoup.com/view/593815/frasier-and-niles-dance-o.gif |
There
is absolutely no reason to prefer Link/Ganon over any other
'Hero/Villain' rivalry outside of 'I like Zelda games'. Link is the
protagonist, and he stops Ganondorf. That's about the extent of their
rivalry. Very true, and they're still going to win pretty easily. --- Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename |
KamikazePotato posted... There is absolutely no reason to prefer Link/Ganon over any other 'Hero/Villain' rivalry outside of 'I like Zelda games'. Link is the protagonist, and he stops Ganondorf. That's about the extent of their rivalry. You could say the same for Mario, can't you? --- *is Dranze* |
Mario/Bowser's rivalry is fleshed out more in the RPGs. Way more than Link/Ganon's is, anyway. --- Support Barret Wallace (Final Fantasy VII) for Character Battle IX! http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3834/banner1barret.jpg |
But Sonic/Robotnik should get a boost for Dr. Robotnik winning the "Good Try" Prize! I think someone said he's the most often defeated major villain in gaming! --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" |
Well,
the ending to OOT is absolutely amazing, and more emotional than
anything in FFVII. It's so sad, Link being sent back 7 years, to a
world that knew nothing about his victories. Zelda says she wants Link
to have a proper childhood but how can he after all he's gone through?
He's supposed to just go back to being a normal anonymous 10 year old
kid after being the Hero of Time and saving Hyrule? He can't even talk
to anyone about it, because no one would believe him in that timeline
where Ganon never took over. --- 90s games > 00s games |
Cloud/Sephiroth will probably lose to Mario/Bowser in the first semifinal, thus allowing Link/Ganon to 60/40 the finals. --- Yoblazer: http://i33.tinypic.com/ml36gl_th.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
From: red sox 777 | #067 See, the fact that there are people who actually believe this is why Link/Ganon is going to roll this contest. --- Support Barret Wallace (Final Fantasy VII) for Character Battle IX! http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3834/banner1barret.jpg |
As for the OoT ending, it wasn't until years later that I realized the final scene is Link going back to see Zelda again rather than just a re-imagining of their in-game meeting to send the game off on an emotional note . --- Yoblazer: http://i44.tinypic.com/5nw45i.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
See, the fact that there are people who actually believe this is why Link/Ganon is going to roll this contest. Well, the reason I think it's the greatest game ending ever has pretty much nothing to do with Ganondorf. It has a lot to do with Link, Zelda, and the music. --- 90s games > 00s games |
LeonhartFour posted... All the voters will need to be reminded of is the last boss fight of OoT, and they'll be all over it. Yep, but even more than that, it extends back well before OoT and continues well after. It's classic in every sense of the word. It has a certain intangible factor going on there that Cloud/Sephiroth doesn't have, in my opinion. I wouldn't bet against it, but then, that's just me! --- peace comes from within |
OoT's
ending is absolutely unbelievable. It was THE epic game that people
were hoping for in 3D. FFVII is great, but OoT is gaming's Lord of the
Rings and Star Wars. The classic defining hero's tale of the entire
medium. --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/25z1non.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Man, I don't get Zelda fans. I'm going to go play FFVII instead. --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
Well, I don't know about that, but I'm sure people feel that way! --- peace comes from within |
LeonhartFour posted... Man, I don't get Zelda fans. Quite the group. --- peace comes from within |
It's
just so sad. How can you not feel sad after watching that? Serge in
Chrono Cross evokes similar feelings. There's something terrifying and
tragic about being stuck in a world where your life, your memories, are
not real. --- 90s games > 00s games |
Because I have no sentimental attachment to Link whatsoever. That's probably why. --- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
ganondorf's
speech at the end of the wind waker was sadder, and something i could
better sympathize with, than ocarina of time's ending! plus one ganon --- peace comes from within |
From: red sox 777 | #067 He's actually 9. Also, it was never about a normal childhood. Zelda just wanted Link to have those years of life that were taken from him by leaving him in stasis in the Sacred Realm. From: LeonhartFour | #074 Did you not like Mario 64's ending either, Leon? Just curious. --- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross. Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 |
People actually find OoT's ending emotional? The Super Bowl celebrations in Madden are more emotional than that scene! And I'm not saying they're comparable in quality. I just found no emotion in that ending at all. --- Will not remove this line of my signature until the Seahawks, Jazz or Rockies win a title (Started 5-16-09) http://www.sporcle.com/games/Kazbar/gfaqscontest |
From: KanzarisKelshen | #050 You're not calling that emotional too, are you? --- Will not remove this line of my signature until the Seahawks, Jazz or Rockies win a title (Started 5-16-09) http://www.sporcle.com/games/Kazbar/gfaqscontest |
The
Link's Awakening ending always struck me as sadder. Many will argue the
same for Majora's Mask. For me, OoT's ending is all about the triumph.
That last scene is still untouched to this day, imo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge8zd1ZR-hc&t=9m21s Like a fairy boss. --- Yoblazer: http://i33.tinypic.com/ml36gl_th.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
It's all about Wind Waker. Did anyone want Link to win in that game? I sure didn't. --- peace comes from within |
From: KanzarisKelshen | #080 I liked the music and the little screenshots of each world. I thought it was humorous realizing just how big Mario's nose was when Peach went to give him a kiss. And then I wanted cake. --- Support Morrigan Aensland (Darkstalkers) for Character Battle IX! http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/9302/banner5morrigan2.jpg |
ZFS posted... ganondorf's speech at the end of the wind waker was sadder, and something i could better sympathize with, than ocarina of time's ending! plus one ganon Mind refreshing my mind on that one again? --- *is Dranze* |
It's all about Wind Waker. Did anyone want Link to win in that game? I sure didn't. Nope. Well, actually, I mostly just wanted Old Hyrule to be restored to the surface, regardless of who won. --- 90s games > 00s games |
Mario
64's ending isn't very emotional......I liked it too, but it's just
your standard victory ending with cool music and video of the different
courses. --- 90s games > 00s games |
MarioSuperstar posted... Mind refreshing my mind on that one again? *Spoilers* He talks about wanting to return Hyrule to its former glory, before it was flooded. I thought they did a pretty good job with Ganon, making him represent the player's feelings and nostalgia for the old. He treats Link and Zelda as mostly afterthoughts for most of the game, too, because they weren't the really those two, more like a bunch of kids wearing the gear. No one who played Wind Waker can say they didn't want to see Hyrule again! Worst thing about the game tbqh --- peace comes from within |
I
like how we've spoiled the ending of multiple games, and yet, only Wind
Waker's ending is given the respect of a spoiler warning. +1 Wind Waker --- If you are reading this signature, then you are wasting a great deal of your time. |
I don't know man. The way I see it, Mario vs Bowser is gonna be seen as the classic of all classic rivalries, and will be stronger than both their strengths. I think they'd do way better than Mario vs. Link. |
They
might. Just like how Super Mario Bros. as a series could do way better
on FF or Zelda as a series than the strongest Mario game could do on
FFVII or OoT. But just like the Series Contest, it still won't be enough to win. --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
I guess there's nothing much else to debate about, but I think Mario and Bowser are gonna surprise a lot of people! |
I'm
not sure how they're going to surprise anybody unless they beat one of
the top two because I'm fairly certain most people would expect
Mario/Bowser to be the #3 rivalry! --- http://i.imgur.com/CbfFb.jpg |
If they get close (45%+) on either of the expected top 2, that would qualify as surprising. --- 90s games > 00s games |
I'd
be more surprised if Mario/Bowser didn't get 45% on Cloud/Seph,
especially very late in the contest. Mario already did it against Final
Fantasy in our last spin-off contest (series), and that was before FF
became a magnet for anti-voting and before late-game craziness became a
more realistic possibility. --- Yoblazer: http://i32.tinypic.com/zlf1w7.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
On
second thought, I agree with you. Mario has a good shot of breaking
45% on Cloud directly already, so Mario/Bowser getting 45% on
Cloud/Sephiroth has a good shot. All this 2006 discussion made me
forget about how much closer the field is to Clinkeroth nowadays. I don't think late-game upset or anti-FF considerations are going to matter this year, though. Last year showed that the site has finally come to understand that Zelda, not FFVII, always wins. That is why Link was anti-voted all contest and had such an abysmal early vote. On the other hand, nothing happened in the Cloud/Snake semifinal- Cloud just cruised to a 52/48 win. I don't think anything happened in Snake/Sephiroth either. Snake was just stronger than Seph and weaker than Cloud. --- 90s games > 00s games |
From: LeonhartFour | #092 I agree. Barring some kinda ridiculous rally (which seems to be more GameSpot's thing these days), the only pairing with a good shot at the expected top two is Mario/Sonic. At this point, it's easier to picture Cloud/Seph losing to that pairing in a semifinal match than it is beating them. --- Yoblazer: http://i32.tinypic.com/zlf1w7.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
I don't know how to explain it. Link being GFs favorite character makes sense to me. Zelda being GFs favorite series makes sense to me. Ocarina of Time being the favorite game makes sense to me. Link/Ganondorf being the favorite rival does not though. The first three all linked together in a certain way, which is pretty much all about gameplay. Link is the perfect avatar exploring Hyrule (which would probably win best setting/world) and its dungeons and towns, etc. Ganondorf doesn't come into the equation of any of this. In fact, I say Ganondorf being as weak as he is is evidence of the theory this rivalry won't be as strong as people think. Best protagonist, series, game, and the main villain is NOT automatic Noble Nine? Something's amiss here. |
From: pjbasis | #099 Whether it makes sense or not, Link/Ganon will not lose to Cloud/Seph in the finals, and will not lose to anything else (Mario/Sonic being the only exception) before then. The best case scenario for a non-Zelda winner is to put Link in Cloud/Seph's section of the bracket and hope for the best. If they meet early, Square probably has a better shot. --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/25z1non.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
