GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1002
It'll
be a strong team -- while I may take Mega Man > MMX, I'll take
MMX/Zero to beat Mega Man paired with Dr. Wily or Protoman. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
 
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I'm curious though, who would win between X/Zero and Ryu/Ken? That would be a fantastic matchup IMO --- http://i49.tinypic.com/2ry672r.jpg |
Yay,
new contest. I think it will make a decent contest... better than an
all-encompassing fictional character contest, at least. I think X/Zero would win that one, easily. But I don't know much about SF.... so unless the games make the rivalry between Ryu and Ken really plain and clear, the stronger pair should win. EDIT: "Oops": Sometimes I fail to read. There IS no registered "Crono/Lavos" or "Crono/Magus" rivalry. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
Mega
Man X and Zero are comparable to Ryu in strength (if not above him),
and all of them are plenty above Ken, so I think X/Zero would win that. --- http://i.imgur.com/CbfFb.jpg |
I'm
curious if we'll see different voting patterns, like we saw in the
series contest. Ryu/Ken is one of the oldest rivalries in gaming. I
expect Ryu/Ken to be stronger than the sum of its parts. --- http://i49.tinypic.com/2ry672r.jpg |
Also, does anyone else think we're going to see votals drop off a cliff this contest? --- http://i49.tinypic.com/2ry672r.jpg |
Site traffic has been dropping for the site, so it's very possible. --- http://www.gifsoup.com/view/593815/frasier-and-niles-dance-o.gif |
You know, there's one non-VG character that I wouldn't mind seeing, and that's Dracula! Alucard/Dracula FTW! --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
Also, does anyone else think we're going to see votals drop off a cliff this contest? It's very likely to happen. Although both Skyward Sword and Skyrim will be released in the middle of the contest, so that could provide some boosted votals after they're released. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
Cloud/Sephiroth
SHOULD win this contest.... it had BETTER.... because if it's not going
to win, then Link/Ganondorf will. Zelda needs to be stopped! Oh, and if the Mario/Sonic pairing happens, it would, of course, have a great shot at winning. I would root for them above all. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
I
don't know why Cloud/Sephiroth would beat Link/Ganondorf. Are there
honestly Zelda fans who would vote for Cloud just because he has Sephy
with him here? Link and Ganon very clearly have the same fanbase, as do
Cloud and Sephiroth. The fanbase that usually votes for Cloud against
Link will still vote Cloud/Sephy and the Link fanbot crowd will still
vote Link/Ganon over Cloud/Sephy. What's wrong with my logic here? |
It took until vote 345 for Kinect to get its first vote. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
Microsoft's Kinect 0% 0 Microsoft's Xbox 360 Controller 41.81% 143 Nintendo's Classic Controller Pro 2.63% 9 Nintendo's Wii Remote + Nunchuck 12.28% 42 Sony's DualShock 3 41.81% 143 Sony's PlayStation Move 1.46% 5 TOTAL VOTES 342 lol --- http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4839/drfc.png Fire Todd Haley |
They should make a All-Time favorite controller... I would vote for the good old SNES controller |
I
don't know why Cloud/Sephiroth would beat Link/Ganondorf. Are there
honestly Zelda fans who would vote for Cloud just because he has Sephy
with him here? Link and Ganon very clearly have the same fanbase, as do
Cloud and Sephiroth. The fanbase that usually votes for Cloud against
Link will still vote Cloud/Sephy and the Link fanbot crowd will still
vote Link/Ganon over Cloud/Sephy. What's wrong with my logic here? The problem is that you reduced all Link voters to "Zelda fans" and are disregarding the possibility that someone actually could have the opinion that Sephiroth > Link > Cloud. Maybe there aren't enough of these people to push Team FFVII to victory, but they exist. There certainly are a considerably number of FFVII fans who prefer Sephiroth to Cloud seeing how Cloud has never quite been able to double his villain. On the other hand, Link pushed Ganondorf down to 12% in 2004 (and Zelda to 13% in 2007.), suggesting he has few real fans who don't also like Link. |
I
don't know why Cloud/Sephiroth would beat Link/Ganondorf. Are there
honestly Zelda fans who would vote for Cloud just because he has Sephy
with him here? Link and Ganon very clearly have the same fanbase, as do
Cloud and Sephiroth. The fanbase that usually votes for Cloud against
Link will still vote Cloud/Sephy and the Link fanbot crowd will still
vote Link/Ganon over Cloud/Sephy. What's wrong with my logic here? You don't have to be a Zelda fan to vote for Link over Cloud. It does matter that Sephiroth is way stronger than Ganondorf. I'd probably still take Link/Ganon to get over 50% against Cloud/Sephiroth in a 4-way poll, but it'd be a lot closer than a usual Link/Cloud match, probably, say, 51/49. I think Link probably doesn't get 50% in a 3-way Link/Cloud/Seph poll. Now, the thing that puts Cloud/Sephiroth over the top here is that this isn't a normal 4-way poll where you pick your favorite character out of the 4. It's best rivalry, and Cloud/Sephiroth is a much more compelling rivalry than Link/Ganon. I think that is enough to reverse 51/49 and then some. For example, take me. My preference is Link > Cloud > Sephiroth > Ganondorf. But I'd vote for Cloud/Sephiroth over Link/Ganon because it's a better rivalry. (It's true that I normally vote Cloud over Link, but that's only because Link always wins.) --- 90s games > 00s games |
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2565 Could Link boost 5% by switching Cloud with Sephiroth? It's possible. From: red sox 777 | #466 The question is how many people are going to vote like this anyway. --- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/26leonpngat.png http://img.imgcake.com/nio/daigohadoupnguj.png |
Only reason I see people picking Link/Ganondorf as the winner is Zeldafear or drones. In 2007 Link/Samus got 56% on Cloud/Sephiroth. Both Ganondorf and Zelda have been shown to be the biggest leeches in the entire history of these contests. The pair is essentially Link going solo. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest. |
It's
best rivalry, and Cloud/Sephiroth is a much more compelling rivalry
than Link/Ganon. I think that is enough to reverse 51/49 and then some. I would think the phrasing of this as a rivalry benefits Link Vs. Ganon instead of Cloud Vs. Sephiroth, since the former has a lot more history behind them which people would value in a rivalry. --- "Ahem! There is *sand* on my *boot*!"--Kefka Black Turtle beat me, Yesmar in the Fall 2010 Guru Contest! |
The question is how many people are going to vote like this anyway. We've seen GameFAQs users answering differently based on the question. In the series contest a lot of Halo fans didn't vote for Halo because people felt it wasn't a series. You can also have scenarios where people vote second/third favourite > first/fourth favourite. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest. |
I
would think the phrasing of this as a rivalry benefits Link Vs. Ganon
instead of Cloud Vs. Sephiroth, since the former has a lot more history
behind them which people would value in a rivalry. I would argue that to anyone that played both games they would feel that the connection between Cloud and Sephiroth was more rivalry wothy than Link/Ganondorf. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest. |
I'm leaving this site for dead if Link/Ganon wins. Totally picking Cloud/Sephiroth FTW. --- Currently Playing - StarCraft: Brood War |
In
2007 Link/Samus got 56% on Cloud/Sephiroth. Both Ganondorf and Zelda
have been shown to be the biggest leeches in the entire history of these
contests. The pair is essentially Link going solo. Link going solo would still beat Cloud/Sephiroth, especially with Skyward Sword right around the corner. --- Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename |
Link/Samus
getting 56% on Cloud/Sephiroth scares me. Samus doesn't add that much
to Link, and that match makes it look like Link might beat Cloud and
Seph together. Remember, Cloud/Sephiroth LFF has been measured to hurt
Cloud by 56/44 (Cloud is that much weaker when Seph is leeching him).
Intuitively you would think Samus hurts Link by less than Sephiroth
hurts Cloud. But as I said before, Link/Ganon can be worth 51-52% on Cloud/Sephiroth (figure Ganon adds 1% to Link's percentage), and Cloud/Sephiroth can still win this match because of the rivalry language. --- 90s games > 00s games |
But as I said before, Link/Ganon can be worth 51-52% on Cloud/Sephiroth (figure Ganon adds 1% to Link's percentage), and Cloud/Sephiroth can still win this match because of the rivalry language. You're putting too much faith in the wording. Most people will see Link/Nintendo Vs. FF7, and vote accordingly. Just like every other contest that's ever happened. Skyward Sword will easily push Link over both FF7 characters. --- Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename |
We've
seen before that the voters really do care about the actual matchup
presented. See the Series Contest. Zelda fans are not drones, Zelda is
just popular. Though it's true that Skyward Sword could change things. If Link jumps up to 56% on Cloud 1v1, adding Seph vs. a complete leech and the rivalry wording probably isn't enough to turn things around. --- 90s games > 00s games |
Halo/Castlevania
is the match you're talking about? Even though Halo has been horrible
in every contest but one, and Castlevania/Alucard has been average all
along? If you want to point towards the series contest, look at the
Super Smash Bros/Sonic the Hedgehog. Not much care going towards actual
series' in that match. --- Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename |
Skyward Sword is getting like...no hype. Forget it. Something I just noticed is that GameFAQs wasn't hyped up a whole lot for any Nintendo game announced after Brawl. I think, not counting Skyward Sword, Other M was probably the most hyped Nintendo game announced post-Brawl at our site, even more so than two certain games (rightfully so) sitting at 97% on Gamerankings right now. In fact I don't think Other M even did all that badly in its sole "Best of 2010" poll seeing how badly anything Metroid normally performs in a poll full of other Nintendo stuff (plus Galaxy 2 - aka Nintendo's best game since 1994 - was there and should've SFFd it to the ground). --- Currently Playing - StarCraft: Brood War |
Halo/Castlevania
is the match you're talking about? Even though Halo has been horrible
in every contest but one, and Castlevania/Alucard has been average all
along? If you want to point towards the series contest, look at the
Super Smash Bros/Sonic the Hedgehog. Not much care going towards actual
series' in that match. I was thinking more of Mega Man/Mario Kart and possibly SMB/FF. The voters treated these series as whole series and not the sum of its parts. Even SSB/Sonic shows this: SSBM would have absolutely flattened any Sonic game, by far far more than 57/43. If you have a big poll with all the Sonic games and SSB + SSBM, I daresay the SSB games would have gone well over 57% in that too. --- 90s games > 00s games |
I was thinking more of Mega Man/Mario Kart and possibly SMB/FF. The voters treated these series as whole series and not the sum of its parts. Even SSB/Sonic shows this: SSBM would have absolutely flattened any Sonic game, by far far more than 57/43. If you have a big poll with all the Sonic games and SSB + SSBM, I daresay the SSB games would have gone well over 57% in that too. Because they saw Nintendo Vs. SEGA/Sonic, and voted for Nintendo. Similarly, when they see Nintendo/Zelda Vs. FF7, they're not going to suddenly think that Sephiroth is a great villain for Cloud and vote for them. Besides, the whole "rivalry" point being in favor for the FF7 duo is not such a foregone conclusion. I'm sure the Nintendo hivemind truly believe Ganondorf is a crazy villain, and Link/Ganondorf is one of the greatest showdowns in video games. --- Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename |
XxSoulxX posted... Halo/Castlevania is the match you're talking about? Even though Halo has been horrible in every contest but one, and Castlevania/Alucard has been average all along? If you want to point towards the series contest, look at the Super Smash Bros/Sonic the Hedgehog. Not much care going towards actual series' in that match. Keep in mind that Sonic, as a franchise, doesn't matter a whole lot beyond the Genesis, while Smash was on steroids due to Brawl's recent announcement. Plus there's the whole Nintendo > Sonic SFF silliness. Remember, Melee is hands down one of the strongest games in a contest setting on this site, and I'd pick Smash 64 to kill any Sonic game pretty easily too (and this isn't counting Brawl since it wasn't out at the time...although now Smash may actually do worse because there's no Brawl hype). To be perhaps REALLY generous, we'll assume that the strongest Sonic game is on Super Mario Galaxy's level - that's essentially two low midcarders (assuming SA1 = SoA) and three low-end solid midcarders vs. one high midcarder and two games that are even stronger. I understand that Castelvania/Halo may technically be a similar case, but: 1) It's Halo, 'nuff said (although I don't agree that Halo has necessarily been crap in any contest - all Halo entrants have had good excuses for their "bombings") 2) At the time Halo was a two-game series, while Castlevania...well, suffice to say a series that was so much older and so much larger would have quite an advantage. Now I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Halo beat Castlevania in a series contest (not that I would actually pick it, mind you). --- Currently Playing - StarCraft: Brood War |
From: XxSoulxX | #480 You're missing the point. It doesn't really matter if Nintendo won. SSBM would destroy any single Sonic game by a wide margin. Sonic games individually aren't strong. Same for Mega Man games. Super Mario Kart and Mario Kart 64 would beat any Mega Man game easily. And yet Mega Man beat it. --- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/26leonpngat.png http://img.imgcake.com/nio/daigohadoupnguj.png |
XxSoulxX posted... I was thinking more of Mega Man/Mario Kart and possibly SMB/FF. The voters treated these series as whole series and not the sum of its parts. Even SSB/Sonic shows this: SSBM would have absolutely flattened any Sonic game, by far far more than 57/43. If you have a big poll with all the Sonic games and SSB + SSBM, I daresay the SSB games would have gone well over 57% in that too. Because they saw Nintendo Vs. SEGA/Sonic, and voted for Nintendo. Similarly, when they see Nintendo/Zelda Vs. FF7, they're not going to suddenly think that Sephiroth is a great villain for Cloud and vote for them. Besides, the whole "rivalry" point being in favor for the FF7 duo is not such a foregone conclusion. I'm sure the Nintendo hivemind truly believe Ganondorf is a crazy villain, and Link/Ganondorf is one of the greatest showdowns in video games. I'm going to analyze Ganon's roles in the five Zelda games I've beaten (plus two other certain titles) to answer for myself how "great" a villain he truly is: A Link to the Past - In this game he probably has less to do with the plot than Lavos does in Chrono Trigger. The only real advantage for LTTP Ganon as opposed to Lavos is that Ganon actually speaks. Ocarina of Time/Wind Waker - Awesome here for sure. Melee - Fun character to play as, but did he really need to be a Captain Falcon clone? Majora's Mask - Completely absent. Twilight Princess - The same as MM probably would've been better off, let's leave it at that. Brawl - lol Okay, that's basically two games for Ganondorf. Some crazy villain indeed. --- Currently Playing - StarCraft: Brood War |
Because they saw Nintendo Vs. SEGA/Sonic, and voted for Nintendo. Any SSB game would kill any Sonic game. It would be a lot worse than 57-43. What you are saying is the voters saw the match as Nintendo vs Sega instead of SSB vs Sonic and SSB voters jumped ship onto the Sega side. If they were jumping ship to Nintendo blowout should have been bigger than you would expected from just SSB vs Sonic. --- Pokemon VGC2011 NW Regional - Top 8 Pokemon VGC2011 US Nationals - 54th place |
SSBM
would destroy any single Sonic game by a wide margin. Sonic games
individually aren't strong. Same for Mega Man games. Super Mario Kart
and Mario Kart 64 would beat any Mega Man game easily. And yet Mega Man beat it. The point was that people were looking at each individual series in that contest, and voting accordingly. If that was the case, Sonic should have beaten SSB because it was only 2 games at the time. As good as SSBM was, it is nothing compared to the entire Sonic franchise, yet voters ignored this and sided with their favorite game. So if you have OoT (which is by far the most popular game on this site) along with MM/WW/TP/LttP (I believe), and many Zelda side games Vs. FF7 and some KH games, what makes you think that the Zelda fans will switch their votes? And both of you are ignoring Skyward Sword, which makes whatever argument we come up with worthless. That alone will bring Link/Ganondorf up to at least 55% on Cloud/Sephiroth. --- Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename |
From: XxSoulxX | #485 You're still missing the point because you think the wrong series won. --- Support Morrigan Aensland (Darkstalkers) for Character Battle IX! http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/9302/banner5morrigan2.jpg |
Not
really being a series was a disadvantage, not an instant loss. SSBM is
way more powerful than any Sonic game. The Sonic series being a series
help close the gap but not by enough to win. --- Pokemon VGC2011 NW Regional - Top 8 Pokemon VGC2011 US Nationals - 54th place |
You're still missing the point because you think the wrong series won. The original point he made was for Halo losing because the Halo fanbase thought the Castlevania series was worth more of a series then the 2 games from Halo. That worked completely opposite when the Nintendo 2 game franchise had its match. I understand the point you're making. SSBM alone would have crushed Sonic alone. Sonic was a bit stronger due to "franchise" voters. But, SSB/Sonic isn't much of a feud, and was pretty much a foregone conclusion who was going to win. If someone thinks Nintendo fans would do the same in a match against FF7 in the finals is just screaming to me a wasted bracket. --- Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename |
The
point with Castlevania/Halo was that the ONLY game in the entire
Castlevania series that has even a remote inkling of strength on this
site is SOTN. The rest of them would get hammered by either of the Halo
games that were out at that time. They're not strong. But even Halo fans were saying Halo didn't deserve to win and voted for Castlevania. --- Support Seifer Almasy (Final Fantasy VIII) for Character Battle IX! http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9342/banner3seifer.jpg |
Halo? I said nothing about Halo, you were the one who brought that up. --- 90s games > 00s games |
I
think you don't give Zelda fans enough credit. This idea that Zelda
fans are drones and will vote for anything just because Link is in it is
not true. OOT/MM is one of the biggest gaps in strength between a game
and its direct sequel out there. It's on par with CT/CC. I can't
think of another series where the dropoff between the strongest
character to the next characters is as huge as in Zelda either. And the
drop from #3 to #4 is pretty big too! Zelda 1 still lost to Mario 1, Zelda 1 still was only even with SMB3 with 3 Mario games in the poll, Ganon and Zelda lost handily to Vincent, LTTP barely beat Mario 64 (and wouldn't have come close to touching FFVII had it been LTTP/FFVII/CT/FFVI). Link himself is quite mortal and has never broken 54% on Cloud. Yes, Nintendo fans are good at falling in line. When they decide one character needs votes they will cripple other characters of their own in the same match to get that victory. But only when the cause is good enough for them to want it. If the cause is not good enough, like with Vincent vs. Ganon/Zelda, the forces will not mobilize. As hard as it may be for people to stomach, people vote for Link because they genuinely love him as a character, not because they're drones. --- 90s games > 00s games |
OOT
being so much stronger than MM doesn't mean Zelda fans aren't drones.
It could just be that there are a lot of people who aren't drones who
are voting for OOT. I'm not sure that's the case, but I don't see any
proof one way or the other. Edit: If there was a "weird" aspect behind Halo/Castlevania it was that the latter was so popular. Halo doesn't seem particularly weak to me when looking at the X-Stats for that year. The other two game series in the contest (SSB and KH) had obvious factors in their favors at the time that boosted their numbers, that being massive hype and a brand new release respectively. --- "Ahem! There is *sand* on my *boot*!"--Kefka Black Turtle beat me, Yesmar in the Fall 2010 Guru Contest! |
OOT
being so much stronger than MM doesn't mean Zelda fans aren't drones.
It could just be that there are a lot of people who aren't drones who
are voting for OOT. I'm not sure that's the case, but I don't see any
proof one way or the other. That's exactly what I mean. There are lots of non-drone people voting for OOT/Link, and those people will consider things like whether Cloud/Sephiroth is a better rivalry instead of just voting for Link. The fact that MM is so much weaker than OOT means that a low percentage of Zelda fans are drones compared to other series. --- 90s games > 00s games |
There would not be a 5 or 6 different Link combinations if you allowed the same character to appear in more than one rivalry. At the most you have Ganondorf, Majora and Vaati, and the latter two would struggle to receive enough nominations IMO. Dark Link would make it if Bacon allowed it. Even then, if you were still worried, the combos can be put in the same division like GoTD (early Brawl/Melee, MM/WW, MGS Division) so that they don't wreck that much of the bracket. --- Tofa7 - LoZ-LoD | Hardcore "Thank you, thank you, no applause necessary, just send money..." |
at least 55% on Cloud/Sephiroth. Account bet? >.> --- Praise the Black Turtle, Game of the Decade Guru Champ. (Well, I never promised creativity, did I?!) |
-Tofa7- posted... There would not be a 5 or 6 different Link combinations if you allowed the same character to appear in more than one rivalry. At the most you have Ganondorf, Majora and Vaati, and the latter two would struggle to receive enough nominations IMO. Dark Link would make it if Bacon allowed it. Vaati? The only thing that comes close to having more nominations than Link/Ganondorf is Link/Dark Link. Plus, there's a chance Fierce Deity Link/Majora's Mask makes it, which could make things a LOT more interesting. --- GameFAQS Contests are masters at providing solutions to problems that don't exist. -LOLContests (concerning the 2011 GameFAQs contest) |
From: Advokaiser | #496 No, there isn't. --- "Why must we always choose between certain death and probable death?" "I'm in an epic battle to the death, FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF!" |
I
would question how many people actually consider Cloud/Sephiroth to be a
"better" rivalry than Link/Ganon, which has more history and a more
classic aura around it. I would question even more how many people are
seriously going to vote based on something like "this rivalry is more
interesting than this one." Entire strengths of teams would change if
that was the case, not just Link/Ganon vs. Cloud/Sephiroth. --- peace comes from within |
