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#301 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/28/2011 11:58:19 PM | message detail
If we have Link in the bracket, I'd suggest putting Link and Cloud in the same half like in 2003. It's not like people claim that Link didn't finish 2nd in 2003 just because he wasn't in the final, or that OOT wasn't #2 in 2004 just because it lost in the quarterfinals. As long as Cloud takes 2nd in the x-stats, he'll keep his 2nd place, so I don't think Cloud fans lose much in such an arrangement, and we get a very interesting opposite half in exchange.

Although, if you think Cloud is vulnerable, you could even keep him in the other half and put Sephiroth, Samus, and a Commons division in Link's half.
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#302 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/29/2011 12:00:25 AM | message detail
If Link's in the bracket that second split is easily the best choice. Samus gets a crack at Seph, the commons don't muck things up, and Link doesn't crap on any huge matches. This goes double if we stick Mega with Seph, as I think we preserve every single big match except Snake|Samus/Seph.
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#303 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/29/2011 12:01:18 AM | message detail | (edited)
I think most people would rather the finals be less of a total waste. Even if there's no way Link loses to Cloud, it's still better than Link doubling Mario in the finals.

Also, Samus needs to face Sephiroth, not Mega Man. I don't think the Blue Bomber has a chance of winning that.
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#304 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/29/2011 12:01:01 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
I think most people would rather the finals be less of a total waste. Even if there's no way Link loses, it's still better than Link doubling Mario in the finals.

Yeah, but that's Link for you -giving him a bye to the finals is the only thing we can do to limit the damage, otherwise he renders half the contest worthless.
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#305 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/29/2011 12:01:37 AM | message detail
I think Spiderman is bigger than X-Men, although both are not really necessary, and would probably just LFF Batman. Actually, even without the LFF, I don't think Batman the franchise will hold up well in that poll. Probably Star Wars >= Lord of the Rings >>> Harry Potter > Batman > Simpsons. Which isn't to say Batman the character wouldn't be very strong.
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#306 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/29/2011 12:03:35 AM | message detail
Personally, I'd rather see a "Favorite Superhero/Superhero Franchise" poll than just a favorite non-VG character series poll.
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#307 | pjbasis | Posted 8/29/2011 12:03:49 AM | message detail
Link vs. Snake in the finals can be pretty cool.
#308 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/29/2011 12:04:37 AM | message detail
Yeah, I think you're right about keeping Cloud in the other half, Kan. Up until last year it never worked because Cloud was too far ahead, but a character who only got 52% on Snake is vulnerable and won't ruin his half of the bracket through being too invincible.
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#309 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/29/2011 12:04:45 AM | message detail
Link vs. Snake in the finals was fine in 2008. I doubt it's quite that exciting in 2011. I mean, based on Cloud/Link, he could theoretically get 45% directly, but eh.
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#310 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/29/2011 12:07:32 AM | message detail | (edited)
LotR WAY overrated there. Most of its strength comes from the movies. If I had to guess...

SW>=Bats>=HP>Simpsons>X-Men>LotR


...Yeah, that looks about right. HP is pretty much the character of the generation, SW and Bats are legendary franchises, Simpsons is omnipresent, and LotR can either LFF SW or get SFF'd by it. X-Men is the odd one out, not strong enough to beat Simpsons but it still beats LotR cleanly.
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#311 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/29/2011 12:06:37 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
I think most people would rather the finals be less of a total waste. Even if there's no way Link loses to Cloud, it's still better than Link doubling Mario in the finals.

Also, Samus needs to face Sephiroth, not Mega Man. I don't think the Blue Bomber has a chance of winning that.


Samus DOES get to face Seph, it just happens later. I want Seph/Mega simply for nostalgia and as a good barometer for the Blue Bomber. Since he has lots of Ninty appeal we never get a good read on him. :(
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#312 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/29/2011 12:07:51 AM | message detail

From: KanzarisKelshen | #311
Samus DOES get to face Seph, it just happens later. I want Seph/Mega simply for nostalgia and as a good barometer for the Blue Bomber. Since he has lots of Ninty appeal we never get a good read on him. :(


Not if she loses to Snake!

Snake would be a fine enough barometer for Mega Man.
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#313 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/29/2011 12:13:54 AM | message detail
I'd be very confident in LOTR beating Harry Potter here. The LOTR series actually has higher total book sales than HP, if you count the volumes of LOTR separately, which is fair I think. LOTR sold 150 million copies of the whole story, so times 3 for 3 volumes is 450 million. The Hobbit sold another 100 million, and then there are the Silmarillion and other related works. The total is thus at least 550 million, compared to 450 million for Harry Potter.

The movies I believe had comparable success on a film-by-film basis, though of course HP had 8 movies compared to 3 for LOTR. But I don't think that really makes it more popular (and again, that HP got its book sales through 7 volumes instead of 3 counts against it as a measure of popularity, all else being equal). So, I rather doubt Harry Potter would even win over LOTR on a neutral site like Google or Yahoo. On Gamefaqs it wouldn't be close at all.
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#314 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 8/29/2011 12:15:36 AM | message detail
KanzarisKelshen posted...
TheCodeisBosco posted...
On a serious note, it might be worth considering Pirates of the Caribbean for a slot in that poll. Maybe Indiana Jones and/or James Bond, too.

James Bond could maybe work, but I don't think movies centered around one, single character are too worthwhile. Batman is a special case because he's...well, Batman, arguably the single most popular superhero. Not so with others.


I don't think that holds true for PotC, though. A lot of people seem to think it's The Jack Show, but I disagree - Will and Elizabeth have always been really popular with the series' teen fanbase, and everybody loves Barbossa. Heck, even Gibbs has become quite a bit more popular, thanks to Pirates 4 (in which he got his first decent-sized role).

I agree that LotR wouldn't do as well as some might think, though. I don't think it's losing to X-Men or anything, but Star Wars and Harry Potter would definitely hurt its prospects considerably.
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#315 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/29/2011 12:16:38 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
From: KanzarisKelshen | #311
Samus DOES get to face Seph, it just happens later. I want Seph/Mega simply for nostalgia and as a good barometer for the Blue Bomber. Since he has lots of Ninty appeal we never get a good read on him. :(
Not if she loses to Snake!

Snake would be a fine enough barometer for Mega Man.


But we're not sticking her against Snake on the "final" version of the divisions!

It looks like this ATM

Link

Commoner Division 1 (Shepard Division?)

Samus

Seph (Megaman)

Mario (Crono/Vincent)

Sonic (Squall)

Snake

Cloud

Or something like that, anyway. This is a "real contest" setup - if we go with the previous, non-Link setup we can probably make it so there's a Commoner division, stick Snake up against it, and give Samus a shot at Seph on the Elite Eight. How's that sound?
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#316 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/29/2011 12:16:45 AM | message detail

From: TheCodeisBosco | #314
Will and Elizabeth have always been really popular with the series' teen fanbase


i.e. "Teenage girls think Orlando Bloom is hot"
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#317 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/29/2011 12:18:53 AM | message detail
I wouldn't be shocked even if LOTR beat Star Wars. No LOTR character is going to come remotely close to Vader, Yoda, Luke, Han, and probably others, but as a series it has a lot more depth. Star Wars basically has the original trilogy going for it, and everything else just drags it down. Of course the original trilogy is a lot of strength in SW's corner.
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#318 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 8/29/2011 12:19:40 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
From: TheCodeisBosco | #314
Will and Elizabeth have always been really popular with the series' teen fanbase
i.e. "Teenage girls think Orlando Bloom is hot"


You're forgetting about the teenage guys who think Keira Knightley is hot. :P
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#319 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/29/2011 12:20:26 AM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
I'd be very confident in LOTR beating Harry Potter here. The LOTR series actually has higher total book sales than HP, if you count the volumes of LOTR separately, which is fair I think. LOTR sold 150 million copies of the whole story, so times 3 for 3 volumes is 450 million. The Hobbit sold another 100 million, and then there are the Silmarillion and other related works. The total is thus at least 550 million, compared to 450 million for Harry Potter.

The movies I believe had comparable success on a film-by-film basis, though of course HP had 8 movies compared to 3 for LOTR. But I don't think that really makes it more popular (and again, that HP got its book sales through 7 volumes instead of 3 counts against it as a measure of popularity, all else being equal). So, I rather doubt Harry Potter would even win over LOTR on a neutral site like Google or Yahoo. On Gamefaqs it wouldn't be close at all.


Thing is that HP's got a GIGANTIC internet presence. Like, didn't the term "shipping" gain a lot of traction precisely with the Harry Potter fandom, since JKR referenced it in an interview? Sure, LotR is HUGE IRL, but on the internet, people have grown up with Harry Potter. It's a lot closer to their hearts than LotR. Since the site demographic is closer to HP's than LotR's, I figure it can take it with ease, even with the site getting older.
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#320 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/29/2011 12:24:30 AM | message detail | (edited)
I think if we held a Will Turner vs. Legolas contest poll, our female population would multiply a thousandfold.

Another argument for the Fictional Character Battle!

EDIT: Although I suppose it wouldn't matter since my brain is so filled with contest knowledge that I don't have the capacity to interact with women, but whatever.
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#321 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/29/2011 12:22:41 AM | message detail
Thing is that HP's got a GIGANTIC internet presence. Like, didn't the term "shipping" gain a lot of traction precisely with the Harry Potter fandom, since JKR referenced it in an interview? Sure, LotR is HUGE IRL, but on the internet, people have grown up with Harry Potter. It's a lot closer to their hearts than LotR. Since the site demographic is closer to HP's than LotR's, I figure it can take it with ease, even with the site getting older.

On a site with a lot of teen girls, yeah. The median age of this site is like 22, and it's 94% male.
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#322 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/29/2011 12:26:08 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
I think if we held a Will Turner vs. Legolas contest poll, our female population would multiply a thousandfold.

Another argument for the Fictional Character Battle!

EDIT: Although I suppose it wouldn't matter since my brain is so filled with contest knowledge that I don't have the capacity to interact with women, but whatever.


It's all sabotaged so NGirl doesn't place way lower on UotY, you see.
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#323 | ZFS | Posted 8/29/2011 12:31:03 AM | message detail
will turner vs. legolas is the ultimate argument against a fictional character contest imho
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#324 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 8/29/2011 12:32:59 AM | message detail
If a Fictional Character Contest happened, we could see Kefka battle Krusty the Clown.

Now tell me you don't want to see that contest!
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#325 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/29/2011 12:33:36 AM | message detail
I would hope we could get better reps than Krusty the Clown in a Fictional Character Battle.
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#326 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/29/2011 12:35:55 AM | message detail
Bart vs. Michelangelo from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles would be amazing to see. Probably a stomp in Bart's favor, but who wouldn't want to stop by the stats topic and watch the catchphrases fly?
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#327 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/29/2011 12:37:44 AM | message detail
Actually, a lot of these matchups sound pretty boring. Sort of like Tales character vs. Persona character matches. I just don't care.
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#328 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/29/2011 12:39:53 AM | message detail
Mostly because the real draw is putting the strong fictional characters against the strong VG characters, not so much having them face each other.
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#329 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/29/2011 12:40:56 AM | message detail
Holy crap, Kanz is actually able to engage in a conversation. Maybe I can convince a host to let him into a game of mafia one of these days!
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#330 | ZFS | Posted 8/29/2011 12:42:19 AM | message detail
I kinda feel that way about Link vs. Darth Vader! Needs less characters, more games.
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#331 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/29/2011 12:45:51 AM | message detail
I feel like I'm in the minority, but I prefer Character Battles to Games Contests. I guess I just get more personally vested and compassionate about characters than I do games. Characters are just easier to root for, I guess, at least to me.
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#332 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 8/29/2011 12:47:40 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
I would hope we could get better reps than Krusty the Clown in a Fictional Character Battle.

LEON'D

KanzarisKelshen posted...
Bart vs. Michelangelo from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles would be amazing to see. Probably a stomp in Bart's favor, but who wouldn't want to stop by the stats topic and watch the catchphrases fly?

Haha, that'd be awesome! The only way it could be more 90s is if it was a four-way match, and Beavis and Butt-head were added to the mix.
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#333 | ZFS | Posted 8/29/2011 12:48:21 AM | message detail
I think my issue with characters contests are that a) we've seen them a million times, more than any other type of contest, and b) I don't have a character to really get behind who gets put into great matches and goes places. Ryu/Dante was the best match for me in a long time! It's easier for me to root for games because I like them a lot more than individual characters.
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#334 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/29/2011 12:49:08 AM | message detail
UltimaterializerX posted...
Holy crap, Kanz is actually able to engage in a conversation. Maybe I can convince a host to let him into a game of mafia one of these days!

Haha, I really did end up talking very little in those mafia games, didn't I? I guess part of it is me finally deciding to pay the board back for putting up with me last year (man, I sucked so bad last year; Totally a candidate for Most Improved User on Icehawk's contest this time!) by becoming more involved with it. Let's wait a little before trying to get me back into mafia though: my schedule is super packed ATM, and it would be a repeat of my last few performances right now. If you still think it's worth trying though, I'll take you up on that offer in a month or two Ulti!
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#335 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/29/2011 12:49:40 AM | message detail | (edited)

From: TheCodeisBosco | #332
LEON'D


No, seriously. If we're going to expand this contest, we don't need to waste it on second/third tier strength characters. Either the best or get out.
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#336 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/29/2011 12:50:16 AM | message detail
TheCodeisBosco posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
I would hope we could get better reps than Krusty the Clown in a Fictional Character Battle.

LEON'D

KanzarisKelshen posted...
Bart vs. Michelangelo from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles would be amazing to see. Probably a stomp in Bart's favor, but who wouldn't want to stop by the stats topic and watch the catchphrases fly?

Haha, that'd be awesome! The only way it could be more 90s is if it was a four-way match, and Beavis and Butt-head were added to the mix.


The best thing is that Mikey and Bart actually share catchprases. If the first page after the poll went up wasn't full of COWABUNGA's, I'd lose my faith in the board!
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#337 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/29/2011 12:51:15 AM | message detail
I could do without the stats topic being filled with endless catchphrases.
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#338 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 8/29/2011 12:53:02 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
From: TheCodeisBosco | #332
LEON'D
No, seriously. If we're going to expand this contest, we don't need to waste it on second/third tier strength characters. Either the best or get out.


Eh, fair enough. I don't actually think Krusty the Clown would make the field - in fact, there's virtually no way that could happen - but the idea of him and Kefka duking it out is just too awesome.

But there's definitely room in the bracket for Bart and Mikey, right...?
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#339 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 8/29/2011 12:56:03 AM | message detail
KanzarisKelshen posted...
TheCodeisBosco posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
I would hope we could get better reps than Krusty the Clown in a Fictional Character Battle.

LEON'D

KanzarisKelshen posted...
Bart vs. Michelangelo from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles would be amazing to see. Probably a stomp in Bart's favor, but who wouldn't want to stop by the stats topic and watch the catchphrases fly?

Haha, that'd be awesome! The only way it could be more 90s is if it was a four-way match, and Beavis and Butt-head were added to the mix.

The best thing is that Mikey and Bart actually share catchprases. If the first page after the poll went up wasn't full of COWABUNGA's, I'd lose my faith in the board!


That'd be so amazing. The only way we could have a better stats topic is if Dropout Bear made the field, and everyone flooded the topic with Kanye lyrics.

red sox 777 posted...
I could do without the stats topic being filled with endless catchphrases.

I don't know, Ken/Wesker was a real treat! So many "complete global saturation" jokes... good times.
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#340 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/29/2011 1:01:07 AM | message detail
You need a really exciting match to make catchphrases good, not good catchphrases to make an uninteresting match good. LINK HE COME TO TOWN was perfect for the 2008 final, but there's no sense in saying it more than a couple times in a first round blowout by Link- at the start and perhaps if he decimates his opponent with the ASV.
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#341 | Achromatic | Posted 8/29/2011 1:02:44 AM | message detail
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#342 | LOLContests | Posted 8/29/2011 7:33:39 AM | message detail
Man, how do these fictional matchups not sound good to you guys? Do you do nothing but play video games?
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#343 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/29/2011 8:49:49 AM | message detail
I spend very little time with other fictional media, and when I do, it's usually a book. Most TV I watch is from the Discovery Channel and similar channels.
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#344 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/29/2011 8:57:02 AM | message detail
Lol Civ4 has a five-vote lead on Mega Man 4.
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#345 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/29/2011 10:45:08 AM | message detail

From: TheCodeisBosco | #339
The only way we could have a better stats topic is if Dropout Bear made the field, and everyone flooded the topic with Kanye lyrics.


BOSCOPINION'D
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#346 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/29/2011 12:58:08 PM | message detail
Oblivion could make this pretty close with the ASV and SNV.
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#347 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 8/29/2011 1:31:46 PM | message detail
Gamespot contest topic is gone, so I'll just say it here

Gamespots contest is a mess. They were supposed to put the brackets up at 12 PM PST today, but theres nothing on the front page, and I had to manually search "sidekick" on the site to even find it, and they haven't updated it since August 23, and the forum for it is down.

They really should just leave the contest making to Gamefaqs, since Gamespot obviously has no idea what they are doing
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#348 | foxhead84 | Posted 8/29/2011 2:06:42 PM | message detail | (edited)
LinkMarioSamus posted...
Lol Civ4 has a five-vote lead on Mega Man 4.

5 hours later...leads by 12 =)

Mega Man 4 3.1% 1492
Sid Meier's Civilization IV 3.12% 1504
#349 | LordOfDabu | Posted 8/29/2011 2:22:29 PM | message detail
Mega Man 4 is legitimately my favorite game out of the poll options!
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#350 | pjbasis | Posted 8/29/2011 2:39:52 PM | message detail
LordOfDabu posted...
Mega Man 4 is legitimately my favorite game out of the poll options!

That sucks :(