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#401 | HaRRicH | Posted 8/23/2011 3:58:33 PM | message detail
By the way, Epona's dropped to 12th place at GameSpot's vote-in. It's still beating Navi and Midna though, plus it's beating Agro for the horse-vote! Just to rank their Nintendo-characters at this time (since they make for 18.75% of the vote-in)...

Luigi
Yoshi
Diddy Kong
Toad
Epona
Navi
Falco
Midna
R.O.B.
Goombella
Geno (yeah yeah)
Doc Louis

...Diddy Kong's the only one looking completely out of place by our expectations, but it's worth noting DKCR came out last year and may be helping out. Toad looks a little out of place until you realize how unfairly he was treated in his two contest-related polls here:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2870
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3691

Navi beating Falco looks hard to swallow, though it's also beating Midna...so maybe the LoZ-series isn't as hopeless for new characters as some of us once thought. I'd take Epona over Toad and Diddy Kong, but where she's at now isn't such a bad guess either.
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#402 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/23/2011 4:05:46 PM | message detail
Navi > Midna, really? Lol Gamespot.
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#403 | Blairville | Posted 8/23/2011 4:08:59 PM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
Navi > Midna, really? Lol Gamespot.

You know it would go the same way on GFAQs. Besides, OoT3D came out recently.
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#404 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/23/2011 6:17:40 PM | message detail
Of course Navi is beating Midna. OOT >>>>> TP.

Not to mention Navi treats Link with respect.
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#405 | pjbasis | Posted 8/23/2011 6:20:39 PM | message detail
HaRRicH posted...
There's no "potentially" for RBY beating LoZ:MM; it already beat it, Perfect Dark, and Banjo-Kazooie combined:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3462


Three N64 games vs. a Game Boy one! ...That has to mean something!
#406 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/23/2011 6:22:18 PM | message detail
Even if Majora's Mask gets all of PD's and BK's votes, it still loses!
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#407 | Azp2k32 | Posted 8/23/2011 6:22:44 PM | message detail
pjbasis posted...
HaRRicH posted...
There's no "potentially" for RBY beating LoZ:MM; it already beat it, Perfect Dark, and Banjo-Kazooie combined:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3462

Three N64 games vs. a Game Boy one! ...That has to mean something!


It got over 50% on them. Even assuming MM got SFFed to hell and all the other votes would've gone to it.... RBY still wins.
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#408 | pjbasis | Posted 8/23/2011 6:24:20 PM | message detail | (edited)
But.....but.....SFF!


Damn, RBY is a beasht.

I don't think even FFVIII could beat it!
#409 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/23/2011 6:26:09 PM | message detail
Honestly, if we got an FFVII/OoT-less bracket, I'd be very tempted to pick R/B/Y to win it all. I'd lean that way heavily.
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#410 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 8/23/2011 6:29:55 PM | message detail
Pokemon RBY seems like the logical choice in that situation... but nonetheless, after seeing GSC essentially crap the bed in the GotD tournament, I'd still be really nervous about choosing it.

That's probably kind of irrational on my part, though. :P
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#411 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/23/2011 6:30:29 PM | message detail
"Zelda always wins" is a safe mentality to stick with.
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#412 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 8/23/2011 6:59:23 PM | message detail
It will be fun to see a GamFAQs and GameSpot contest side-by-side, if only to show how irrelevant GameSpot is in the art of character battles.
#413 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/23/2011 9:46:50 PM | message detail
Our contest won't be able to start in time before their contest starts. At best, our contest might be able to start near the very end of their contest.
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#414 | Advokaiser | Posted 8/24/2011 8:53:57 AM | message detail | (edited)
This would be my bets if we had a bracket without FFVII and OoT:

1._ALttP
2._Chrono Trigger
3._Super Mario 64
4._Majora's Mask
5._Pokemon R/B/Y
6._Final Fantasy X
7._Super Smash Bros. Brawl
8._Super Smash Bros. Melee
9._Goldeneye
10._Fallout 3

This are my Top 10 choices. My other 5 choices would be:

11._Wind Waker
12._Metal Gear Solid 3
13._Castlevania SOTN
14._Metal Gear Solid 4
15._Shadow of the Colossus

This looks about right to me.

EDIT: Oh wait! I forgot about Final Fantasy VIII and Twilight Princess! So...

11._Twilight Princess
12._Final Fantasy VIII
13._Wind Waker
14._Metal Gear Solid 3
15._Castlevania SOTN
16._Metal Gear Solid 4
17._Shadow of the Colossus

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#415 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/24/2011 8:52:44 AM | message detail
Ha, Wind Waker shouldn't be in the top 15 for odds. SOTN has zero chance of winning.

Fallout and GoldenEye shouldn't be in the top ten either. Twilight Princess should be there instead of Wind Waker, and MGS1 should be there instead of MGS4.

But I must say I like ranking FFX above either Smash game!
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#416 | Advokaiser | Posted 8/24/2011 8:56:29 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Fallout and GoldenEye shouldn't be in the top ten either. Twilight Princess should be there instead of Wind Waker, and MGS1 should be there instead of MGS4.

But I must say I like ranking FFX above either Smash game!


You're right, I'll re-do it...
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#417 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/24/2011 9:34:40 AM | message detail
Nothing wrong with Fallout and Goldeneye in the top 10. They may not be in the 10 strongest games after OOT/FFVII, but they're rather untested and different from most of our top games, which gives them higher winning chances than some of them. It's like how Sephiroth has no hope of winning a contest as long as Cloud is in the bracket, and Mario has no chance as long as Link is there.
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#418 | Zylo the wolf | Posted 8/24/2011 12:29:42 PM | message detail
What about Super Mario Bros 3 and Super Mario World? Are we really 100% sure that Lttp wins over these two games in one on one?
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#419 | HaRRicH | Posted 8/24/2011 12:39:58 PM | message detail
It looked like it in 2004, 2005, 2009, and this poll from two weeks ago:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4425

Between that and every character/series-contest to date, it's the safe bet LoZ:LttP wins over each of them.
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#420 | pjbasis | Posted 8/24/2011 12:49:27 PM | message detail
When FFVIII defeats FFX you're all gonna be so floored.

And MGS1 is very clearly the top MGS game.
#421 | Advokaiser | Posted 8/24/2011 1:53:32 PM | message detail | (edited)
This would be my bets if we had a bracket without FFVII and OoT:

1._ALttP
2._Chrono Trigger
3._Super Mario 64
4._Pokemon R/B/Y
5._Majora's Mask
6._Final Fantasy X
7._Super Smash Bros. Brawl
8._Super Smash Bros. Melee
9._Twilight Princess
10._Final Fantasy VI (added)

This Top 10 looks very solid to me, but after that it gets A LOT trickier, so I'm going to take some wild guesses:

11._Final Fantasy VIII
12._Metal Gear Solid
13._Fallout 3
14._Goldeneye
15._Metal Gear Solid 3
16._Metal Gear Solid 4
17._Shadow of the Colossus
18._Resident Evil 4
19._Super Mario World
20._Super Mario Bros. 3

Some extras:

21._Wind Waker
22._Metroid Prime (added)
23._Half-Life 2 (added)
24._Oblivion
25._Pokemon G/S/C
26._Kingdom Hearts II
27._Final Fantasy IX
28._Kingdom Hearts I
29._Castlevania SOTN (added)
30._Super Mario RPG (added)

Now THIS looks about right to me.
#422 | Advokaiser | Posted 8/24/2011 1:40:57 PM | message detail
Oh no! I forgot entirely about Final Fantasy 6!
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#423 | pjbasis | Posted 8/24/2011 2:02:34 PM | message detail | (edited)
Come on dude, beating FFIX is gonna be hard enough, but FFVIII?

Don't let the ncaa games fool you.
#424 | XIII_rocks | Posted 8/24/2011 1:44:32 PM | message detail
Oh hey this picked up the pace, only 75 posts left hmm

And MGS1 is very clearly the top MGS game.

Yeah. Which is lame.

How does the rest go? I forget.
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#425 | Advokaiser | Posted 8/24/2011 1:54:18 PM | message detail
I've edited my last post, so there it goes my Top 30!
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#426 | ZFS | Posted 8/24/2011 1:56:18 PM | message detail
MGS1 > MGS3 = MGS4 > MGS2 looks about right to me.
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#427 | pjbasis | Posted 8/24/2011 1:59:45 PM | message detail
MGS2 was totally above MGS4 through SotC.
#428 | ZFS | Posted 8/24/2011 2:04:09 PM | message detail
Ha, I forgot about that. Good times.
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#429 | HaRRicH | Posted 8/24/2011 2:07:02 PM | message detail
All we really know is that MGS2/3/4 are roughly equals through SotC. MGS1 is probably a tier or two above the rest of its series.

There's a series that needs a series-poll.
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#430 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/24/2011 5:45:38 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #417
Nothing wrong with Fallout and Goldeneye in the top 10. They may not be in the 10 strongest games after OOT/FFVII, but they're rather untested and different from most of our top games, which gives them higher winning chances than some of them.


I'd be shocked if a western game won a full contest here, even if FFVII and OoT are gone.

GoldenEye's not a likely candidate either. It's never really looked good in contests.
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#431 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 8/24/2011 6:18:51 PM | message detail
Final Fantasy VI is too high, SMW/SMB3 are too low. I think they should be in just about the exact opposite places, with the Marios possibly being even higher and FFVI if anything being lower.

Shadow of the Colossus > Super Mario World is just impossible.
#432 | Emporer_Kazbar | Posted 8/24/2011 6:21:43 PM | message detail

From: HaRRicH | #189
There's a series that needs a series-poll.


I tried awhile back. "Too narrow" :/
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#433 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/24/2011 6:33:12 PM | message detail
Yeah, Bacon doesn't seem to be too keen on running series polls and the like unless it's a special occasion.
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#434 | HaRRicH | Posted 8/24/2011 6:35:30 PM | message detail
For shame, considering how wide an audience there is that knows it. It started back in the 8-bit days, made a legendary game on the PS1 and a spin-off just based off its VR Missions, had two big sequels on the PS2, remakes of those games on various other systems, released a collection of those three games, featured the first killer-app for the PS3 (which was nearly GotY here), and some PSP-games including a PSP-GotY here. All of that got Solid Snake into SSBB as well.

If SB really feels like one of the strongest series from the Series Contest is too narrow though, well shucks.....
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#435 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/24/2011 6:40:14 PM | message detail
"Too narrow" is just Bacon's catch-all for rejecting poll ideas he doesn't like and doesn't have a real reason for not using them other than he just doesn't want to.

I submitted a "Favorite new series of this gen" poll a while back, and it got rejected for the same thing.
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#436 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 8/24/2011 6:47:52 PM | message detail
XD

"Too narrow, doesn't even break the PotD box!"
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#437 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/24/2011 6:51:38 PM | message detail
"Too narrow" is just Bacon's catch-all for rejecting poll ideas he doesn't like and doesn't have a real reason for not using them other than he just doesn't want to.

There is also "Too broad", which I've gotten before on a poll suggestion.

"Too narrow, doesn't even break the PotD box!"

He actually said that on a suggestion you submitted?
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#438 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 8/24/2011 7:13:16 PM | message detail
I think the top ten games - aside from OoT and FFVII - would look something like this.

1) The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
2) Pokemon R/B/Y
3) Super Mario 64
4) Majora's Mask
5) Chrono Trigger
6) Final Fantasy X
7) Super Mario World
8) Super Mario Bros. 3
9) Super Smash Bros. Brawl
10) Super Smash Bros. Melee

I'd totally put MGS over the two Smashes if it wasn't for the GotD contest. >_>
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#439 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/24/2011 7:14:14 PM | message detail
Man, Majora's Mask is going to get so overrated by bracketmakers if we actually have an FFVII/OoT-less bracket.
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#440 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 8/24/2011 7:19:58 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Man, Majora's Mask is going to get so overrated by bracketmakers if we actually have an FFVII/OoT-less bracket.

I could be overrating it... but then again, it's N64 Zelda. Can you overrate it? >___>
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#441 | Advokaiser | Posted 8/24/2011 7:20:03 PM | message detail
TheCodeisBosco posted...
I think the top ten games - aside from OoT and FFVII - would look something like this.

1) The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
2) Pokemon R/B/Y
3) Super Mario 64
4) Majora's Mask
5) Chrono Trigger
6) Final Fantasy X
7) Super Mario World
8) Super Mario Bros. 3
9) Super Smash Bros. Brawl
10) Super Smash Bros. Melee

I'd totally put MGS over the two Smashes if it wasn't for the GotD contest. >_>



I like your Top 10, but there's now way I'd put Chrono Trigger below ANY game that isn't ALttP. If anything, I'd put Chrono Trigger and ALttP in the very finals and I'd bet for very high chances of an upset in favour of Chrono.
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#442 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/24/2011 7:21:58 PM | message detail

From: TheCodeisBosco | #440
I could be overrating it... but then again, it's N64 Zelda. Can you overrate it? >___>


Yes.

Yes, you can.

At best, Majora's Mask is equal to FFX and Brawl. At best.

And that's assuming there wasn't some final day silliness so Brawl or Square wouldn't win or something.
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#443 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 8/24/2011 7:28:05 PM | message detail
Advokaiser posted...
TheCodeisBosco posted...
I think the top ten games - aside from OoT and FFVII - would look something like this.

1) The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
2) Pokemon R/B/Y
3) Super Mario 64
4) Majora's Mask
5) Chrono Trigger
6) Final Fantasy X
7) Super Mario World
8) Super Mario Bros. 3
9) Super Smash Bros. Brawl
10) Super Smash Bros. Melee

I'd totally put MGS over the two Smashes if it wasn't for the GotD contest. >_>


I like your Top 10, but there's now way I'd put Chrono Trigger below ANY game that isn't ALttP. If anything, I'd put Chrono Trigger and ALttP in the very finals and I'd bet for very high chances of an upset in favour of Chrono.


Really? I mean, you could be right - as I said a while back, it seems like CT has been receiving even more love than usual as of late. But I just can't see it beating Pokemon RBY - even though GSC bombed in the GotD tournament, I still have a ton of faith in RBY, which has a much greater nostalgic pull.

LeonhartFour posted...
From: TheCodeisBosco | #440
I could be overrating it... but then again, it's N64 Zelda. Can you overrate it? >___>
Yes.

Yes, you can.

At best, Majora's Mask is equal to FFX and Brawl. At best.

And that's assuming there wasn't some final day silliness so Brawl or Square wouldn't win or something.


There's literally no way I'd ever take Brawl over MM, whether it's Round One, the finals, or somewhere in between. FFX could maybe beat it in a rematch; but that's a big maybe. MM's reputation has improved in a huge way over the past few years.
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#444 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/24/2011 7:29:29 PM | message detail | (edited)

From: TheCodeisBosco | #443
FFX could maybe beat it in a rematch; but that's a big maybe. MM's reputation has improved in a huge way over the past few years.


Yes, but it won by a few hundred votes just less than a year ago. And that's to say nothing of FFX's apparently improving reputation.

Oh, and in a 12 hour match, FFX would wreck it.

FFX could beat most games in that contest in a night match, actually.
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#445 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 8/24/2011 7:33:57 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
From: TheCodeisBosco | #443
FFX could maybe beat it in a rematch; but that's a big maybe. MM's reputation has improved in a huge way over the past few years.
Yes, but it won by a few hundred votes just less than a year ago. And that's to say nothing of FFX's apparently improving reputation.

Oh, and in a 12 hour match, FFX would wreck it.

FFX could beat most games in that contest in a night match, actually.


I don't doubt that FFX would beat MM in a night match, but the chance of those two games having a 12-hour match is awfully low, I'd say.

And at the end of the day... choosing against Zelda in a debatable match just seems like a big risk.
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#446 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/24/2011 7:37:56 PM | message detail
And at the end of the day... choosing against Zelda in a debatable match just seems like a big risk.

Sounds like SMS > Halo. >_>

I'll take Brawl, Melee, FFX and even TP over MM next contest.
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#447 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/24/2011 7:39:29 PM | message detail | (edited)

From: TheCodeisBosco | #445
but the chance of those two games having a 12-hour match is awfully low, I'd say.


Actually, in such a contest, it would be fairly high since only the last two rounds are 24 hours as it stands right now. If Bacon pushed it back a round or two, then maybe.

And really, the issue with me isn't whether or not MM would beat FFX in a rematch.

The issue is that being equal to FFX isn't enough to be the 4th strongest game in a contest.
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#448 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 8/24/2011 7:44:19 PM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
And at the end of the day... choosing against Zelda in a debatable match just seems like a big risk.

Sounds like SMS > Halo. >_>

I'll take Brawl, Melee, FFX and even TP over MM next contest.


I took SMS, and I'm proud to admit it !!

TP > MM, though? What on earth? >_>

LeonhartFour posted...
From: TheCodeisBosco | #445
but the chance of those two games having a 12-hour match is awfully low, I'd say.
Actually, in such a contest, it would be fairly high since only the last two rounds are 24 hours as it stands right now. If Bacon pushed it back a round or two, then maybe.

And really, the issue with me isn't whether or not MM would beat FFX in a rematch.

The issue is that being equal to FFX isn't enough to be the 4th strongest game in a contest.


Choosing between MM and CT for the #4 spot was really tough. All things considered, it probably should be CT, but I'd totally go for the upset, myself.
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#449 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/24/2011 7:45:32 PM | message detail

From: TheCodeisBosco | #448
TP > MM, though? What on earth? >_>


Twilight Princess underestimation ahoy.

If there's ever a Zelda game people underrate, it's that one.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4190

This is not out of Majora's Mask's range.
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#450 | GranzonEx | Posted 8/24/2011 7:53:25 PM | message detail
I would take FFX>CT right now.