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#401 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/17/2011 6:53:36 PM | message detail | (edited)

From: smitelf | #400
He is not particularly hated, but in later rounds it also matters if you are particularly loved. When you ask someone who their favorite character from the series is, how often will the answer be "Harry Potter"? That's why I think fan favorites could potentially do better. As for the anti-votes, I think that would easily be countered by rallying anyway.


We used to use this logic for why Magus would beat Crono back in the day, too.

"When you ask someone who their favorite character from Chrono Trigger is, how often will the answer be 'Crono'?"
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#402 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/17/2011 6:52:57 PM | message detail
GameFAQs has awful taste in characters though.
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#403 | smitelf | Posted 7/17/2011 7:04:09 PM | message detail
We used to use this logic for why Magus would beat Crono back in the day, too.

"When you ask someone who their favorite character from Chrono Trigger, how often will the answer be 'Crono'?"


Sure, there's a counterexample for every argument in these contests, given they've been going on for nearly ten years. We could make a list of "Chrono and Magus are different from Harry and <insert character here> because", but comparing characters from an SNES RPG to characters from the most popular fictional series ever is already a typical stats topic stretch. Not slamming you for making the comparison here, but rather pointing out that points of reference are weak on any side for untried characters, let alone untried characters that aren't even from video games.

Personally, if I were to make the bet, I'd suppose Harry to be the most popular character from his series purely because he's the titular character and not strongly disliked by any significant faction of the fanbase. But that's far from a "would definitely" perform better as per LOLContests. We have even less useful evidence to go on than usual. Plus, "would definitely"s take all the fun out of speculation.
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#404 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/17/2011 7:08:39 PM | message detail
To be fair, I know virtually nothing about Harry Potter whatsoever, so I really have no room for speculation. I'm just saying we've seen several instances where we think the "fan favorite" will outperform the main character, but 9 times out of 10, the smart money's on the main character.

But that's boring, I know, so whatever.
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#405 | red sox 777 | Posted 7/17/2011 7:20:45 PM | message detail
"When you ask someone who their favorite character from Chrono Trigger is, how often will the answer be 'Crono'?"

I think nowadays, Crono would actually be the runaway winner for that. Even back then......I think Crono fans were just......silent more than anything else.
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#406 | smitelf | Posted 7/17/2011 7:24:01 PM | message detail
Yep, smart money's on Harry.

Come to think of it (you guys have likely discussed this before, oh well), I wonder how much fandoms outside of video games would actually care about a GameFAQs poll. My experience is that a good chunk of people wasting their time on a message board will bother to click a couple of buttons just about anywhere when prompted, so it likely wouldn't matter where the fandom comes from.

Would love to see some enormous, devoted fandoms duel, e.g. Harry vs Vader.
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#407 | pjbasis | Posted 7/17/2011 7:25:18 PM | message detail
Fan favorites =/= most popular character

People voting in these things aren't just fans you know. The larger the sample, the more likely the character that is most known is going to win. Even then, most people like main characters anyway.
#408 | red sox 777 | Posted 7/17/2011 7:27:30 PM | message detail
I think there isn't really a standout fan favorite in Harry Potter, which is usually necessary for a character to challenge a main.
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#409 | Big Bob | Posted 7/17/2011 7:41:00 PM | message detail
I'm pretty sure Auron > Tidus (and probably Balthier > Vaan) are the only examples of fan-favorites doing better than the lead.
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#410 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/17/2011 7:44:33 PM | message detail

From: Big Bob | #409
I'm pretty sure Auron > Tidus (and probably Balthier > Vaan) are the only examples of fan-favorites doing better than the lead.


Vivi > Zidane, too.

Kefka > Whoever from FFVI, if you want to count that, although after Dissidia, Terra looks like she's closed the gap a decent bit.

So basically just FF games.

There are probably a few MK characters who are more popular than Liu Kang, too, I guess.
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#411 | smitelf | Posted 7/17/2011 7:50:14 PM | message detail
Fan favorites =/= most popular character

No, really? I've only been here since 2002, so I have no idea how these things work.

People voting in these things aren't just fans you know. The larger the sample, the more likely the character that is most known is going to win. Even then, most people like main characters anyway.

The Harry Potter series is, I believe, the bestselling fiction series in the history of the planet, not to mention one of the biggest movie franchises. There aren't a whole lot of people out there who don't know who Hermione is just because she isn't the titular character. Every significant character in this series is massively more well known than 95%+ of all video game characters.
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#412 | pjbasis | Posted 7/17/2011 7:52:37 PM | message detail
This is a gamefaqs contest we're talking about right?

I'm sure we're all into video game characters more than we are into Harry Potter.
#413 | smitelf | Posted 7/17/2011 7:57:06 PM | message detail
This is a gamefaqs contest we're talking about right?

I'm sure we're all into video game characters more than we are into Harry Potter.


Way to miss the point. Even leaving aside the outside rallying that would most likely take place, it's ridiculous to argue that any major Harry Potter character will be too obscure to be recognized by the majority of people here.
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#414 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 7/17/2011 8:10:08 PM | message detail
Remembering that ~10% of this site has never played a console Zelda and ~25% has never beaten an FF, Harry Potter's numbers look quite impressive from where I'm sitting. Only around 14% haven't seen a film, and only 8% more have only seen one. Allow for the fact that a small percentage of people will have read several books without seeing any films and that's quite a high base to draw off. Star Wars should be higher, if anything.

(Yes, I realise simply having an audience doesn't get you votes, but it's a start!)
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#415 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/17/2011 8:11:29 PM | message detail
Well, obviously, you have to have something to draw from, and Harry Potter at least has that much. Nearly 50% of the site has either seen all the movies or at least plans to. Only about 20% just don't seem to care about it at all.
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#416 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 7/17/2011 8:59:03 PM | message detail | (edited)
I'm personally amazed how high the % of people who watched these movies are here. I'm not even sure if the Star Wars movies could do better.

The Harry Potter series is, I believe, the bestselling fiction series in the history of the planet, not to mention one of the biggest movie franchises. There aren't a whole lot of people out there who don't know who Hermione is just because she isn't the titular character. Every significant character in this series is massively more well known than 95%+ of all video game characters.

Outside of Harry Potter, I only know Hermoine because of her actress. I couldn't name you anymore characters outside the two from that famous spoiler, and that spoiler is only reason I know their names in the first place. I couldn't point them out if you gave me a picture of Harry Potter characters or anything
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#417 | pjbasis | Posted 7/17/2011 9:41:49 PM | message detail
I wasn't arguing that they'd be too obscure...
I don't get your point.

Maybe we should bring up the favorite mario character poll. Yoshi was the fan favorite there!
#418 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/17/2011 9:55:12 PM | message detail
Harry Potter would be the strongest character from that series. I don't think there's much of an argument for the others.
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#419 | LOLContests | Posted 7/17/2011 10:44:09 PM | message detail
Also in support of Harry, I think that there will be a lot more "casual" voters in an All-Character contest than in a VG Character contest, and the people that only know the series casually from the movies or something will probably overwhelmingly favor Harry.
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#420 | pjbasis | Posted 7/17/2011 10:55:18 PM | message detail
Darth Vader > Yoda > Luke Skywalker

Any dissenters?
#421 | swirIdude | Posted 7/17/2011 10:57:01 PM | message detail
I can't believe this is considered a debate. The shorthand name for the entire series is literally Harry Potter.
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#422 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 7/18/2011 1:33:46 AM | message detail
#423 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 7/18/2011 9:38:33 AM | message detail
pjbasis posted...
Darth Vader > Yoda > Luke Skywalker

Any dissenters?


Are you honestly putting Hermoine or whoever else at the same mainstream level as Darth Vader?
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#424 | red sox 777 | Posted 7/18/2011 10:08:08 AM | message detail
Vader would crush anyone from Harry Potter on this site, Harry included.
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#425 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/18/2011 10:10:06 AM | message detail
Han Solo > Yoda

Well, there are those young kids who've only grown up on the prequels, poor things, so who knows.
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#426 | red sox 777 | Posted 7/18/2011 10:15:57 AM | message detail
I'm inclined to pick Yoda over Han.....and not because of the prequels. I know I'm in the minority on this, but I think Luke is a contender for strongest character from Star Wars, with Vader, and no one else. I think Luke draws a lot of emotional attachment, which is the most important thing for a character, and he's a true hero, which is important for reaching the upper echelons of strength.
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#427 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/18/2011 10:16:55 AM | message detail
I think Luke would be stronger than we think, too, but I don't know if Yoda would be as strong as people think though.
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#428 | janembaman | Posted 7/18/2011 10:28:56 AM | message detail | (edited)
Hi guys!
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Based on past years,when is it expected to have an 2011 Summer contest?
#429 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/18/2011 10:37:58 AM | message detail
September at the earliest, as far as a start date is concerned, going by Bacon's patterns in years past.
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#430 | pjbasis | Posted 7/18/2011 1:13:00 PM | message detail
Yoda is far too mainstream to lose to Luke. His mannerisms and lines are among the most memorable save for Vader, and then there's... Soul Calibur IV.

Han Solo would probably be number 4.
#431 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 7/18/2011 3:35:38 PM | message detail
I would think that Luke is more favorite from those familiar with EU. Watching the movies as a kid Han and even Leia came off as more likable characters than Luke.
#432 | SuperAngelo128 | Posted 7/18/2011 3:38:58 PM | message detail
Vader and Han are the only ones I could see actually doing something kinda big
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#433 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/18/2011 4:29:23 PM | message detail

From: pjbasis | #430
Yoda is far too mainstream to lose to Luke.


Uhhhh, I would hesitate to argue Yoda is more mainstream than the MAIN CHARACTER OF THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY

Seriously.
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#434 | pjbasis | Posted 7/18/2011 4:53:37 PM | message detail
There are plenty of main characters in works that aren't the most popular.
Jack Sparrow definitely was not the main character of the original movie for example.

Besides which, Yoda and Vader's roles span the entire series.

Just asked my sister who hasn't watched the series the first character she thought of, and it was Luke. hmm.
#435 | pjbasis | Posted 7/18/2011 4:55:44 PM | message detail
INTANGIBLES

I'm sticking to my gut.
#436 | SuperAngelo128 | Posted 7/18/2011 5:11:09 PM | message detail
KCF0107 "first character you think of" series could actually be useful for something if he does Star Wars
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#437 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/18/2011 5:13:36 PM | message detail

From: pjbasis | #434
Jack Sparrow definitely was not the main character of the original movie for example.


Depends on how you define "main character," I guess.

I know Will was originally designed to be the main character, but I'd imagine that even before the rest of the movies came out, people would say Jack Sparrow was the central character of that movie.
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#438 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/18/2011 5:14:55 PM | message detail

From: SuperAngelo128 | #436
KCF0107 "first character you think of" series could actually be useful for something if he does Star Wars


1. Luke Skywalker - 22
2. Han Solo - 21
3. Chewbacca - 9
4. Darth Vader - 8
5. Obi-Wan Kenobi - 4
6. Yoda - 2
6. Admiral Ackbar - 2
6. R2-D2 - 2
9. Princess Leia - 1
9. Jar Jar Binks - 1
9. Revan - 1
9. Lando - 1
9. Boba Fett - 1
9. Jaden Korr - 1
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#439 | LOLContests | Posted 7/18/2011 5:27:00 PM | message detail
I would love to see how well Darth Vader would do if he got an Anakin picture. Bacon could throw him one in the second round or some other time when he has a guaranteed win.
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#440 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/18/2011 5:30:05 PM | message detail
It'd be Zero Suit Samus all over again.
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#441 | pjbasis | Posted 7/18/2011 5:33:52 PM | message detail
Yeah but there's no way Han Solo defeats Darth Vader so boo to that.

And usually the protagonist is the one that undergoes development.
Saying Sparrow is the main character is like saying Yuna was.
#442 | pjbasis | Posted 7/18/2011 5:40:42 PM | message detail
Those two statements are not connected.

Obviously Yuna underwent development. But the main focus was on Tidus'.
#443 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/18/2011 6:41:21 PM | message detail

From: pjbasis | #441
And usually the protagonist is the one that undergoes development.


Are you trying to say Jack Sparrow didn't undergo any development in the first movie?

Although Sparrow was designed to be the equivalent of Auron/Obi-Wan Kenobi originally, if you want to go that route, the guy who guides the hero on his journey.

Jack Sparrow is a pretty lousy guide though, and Will didn't exactly become the hero either.
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#444 | pjbasis | Posted 7/18/2011 6:49:19 PM | message detail
Will went from goody good poor blacksmith to "He's a Pirate."

Sparrow's development was definitely in the latter movies when he became a more heroic guy.
In the latest one he even grimaces at things like defeated foes being finished off.
#445 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/18/2011 6:54:24 PM | message detail
Sparrow was always a good man in a sense, though he was reluctant to show it. That was one of the big "lessons" from the first movie that Will learned, that someone could be a pirate and a good man. When Jack originally tells Will that his father was a pirate and a good man, Will is obviously aghast at the thought that his father could've been a pirate.

Then at the end of the movie when they ask why he helped Jack, they're like, "But he's a pirate," and Will responds, "And a good man."

Whoo, Jack Sparrow the best
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#446 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/18/2011 7:05:23 PM | message detail
Man it's been forever since I saw anything Pirates of the Caribbean.
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#447 | smitelf | Posted 7/19/2011 8:03:28 PM | message detail
Vader would crush anyone from Harry Potter on this site, Harry included.

This is what would get freaky about a character contest that includes characters originating in other mediums. I agree that Vader would crush anyone from Harry Potter if GameFAQs regular visitors were the only voters. But with rallying, large and/or dedicated fanbases that otherwise don't give a crap about games could turn the tides in any match. Completely new demographics open up once the "video game characters only" rule is removed.
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#448 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/19/2011 8:05:26 PM | message detail
All that matters is that Captain Jack Sparrow would win the whole thing.
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#449 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/19/2011 8:26:50 PM | message detail
Poll the entire world and Vader would still defeat Harry.
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#450 | pjbasis | Posted 7/19/2011 8:28:36 PM | message detail
Jack Sparrow definitely wouldn't win the whole thing.