GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 998
Still, lol Metroid > Mario, especially in light of which series had far superior games on the Wii. Then again, I get the feeling that GameFAQs cares more for newer Metroid games than for newer Mario games. I honestly doubt that Other M changed that. --- Currently Playing - Chrono Trigger DS |
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...why does this site hate Kirby so much? Holy crap. >_> --- CRAZY DAVE (PLANTS VS. ZOMBIES) Your Character Battle IX champion. |
it makes me very happy to see how close Paper Mario is to normal Mario. --- Leafs / Raptors / Blue Jays / TFC / Argos / Tottenham Pokemon Black - 3782 8319 5346 |
Paper
Mario is pretty awesome; I even loved Super Paper Mario, which gets too
much hate from its fans. Too bad there is no constant character in
those games with decent strength to try and get into our contests. ...why does this site hate Kirby so much? Holy crap. >_> I would say apathy rather than hate. It is truly a side series to almost all Nintendo fans. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest. |
Assuming
Pokemon keeps the lead, this is a nice victory for it...flawed, but
nice. Like charmander said, Mario's both split and expected to be on
the system already...but after the successes that SMG1/2 have been (plus
NSMBW, plus IT'S FRIGGIN' MARIO), I'm surprised it's not doing better
anyway. Super Mario + Paper Mario combined are still currently losing
to Pokemon and PM/Pokemon are both RPGs anyway, so the split-argument
doesn't mean that much. It's interesting that this isn't the first time we've seen Pokemon beat Super Mario in a poll somewhat recently, either... http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3998 ...that's with LoZ and SSB, but it's another way that Pokemon won. We've also seen new games in their series compete for hype... http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3904 ...again, Pokemon won out. Between these three polls and things like... --> The runs Charmander and Missingno had last year (where they beat Bowser and Yoshi respectively before Charizard broke 46% on Mario). --> The competitive nature of a hypothetical SM64/RBY-match. --> How GSC did 6+% better against LoZ:MM than SMG did against LoZ:TP (though SFF should be considered). --> How RSE broke 40% on SMG. --> How SMG2 didn't beat HG/SS by much in last year's GotY's despite HG/SS being a remake. ...I mean, a Mario/Pokemon series-match could actually be debatable. Could, anyway. This poll suggests otherwise... http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4298 ...though SSB/Pokemon may be similar to Pokemon/Super Mario in today's poll; we expect Pokemon/Mario on handhelds/consoles, but not necessarily SSB/Pokemon. It's hard to say how much that affects both polls. Whatever the case, I'd still like to see how a Pokemon/Mario-match goes. There's a chance Mario actually isn't Nintendo's #2-franchise here anymore; Pokemon's got several quality points against it and RPGs are GameFAQs's drug of choice. This post hasn't acknowledged SMW or SMB3, to be fair, but the Mario-series would certainly need those strong points in such a match from the looks of things; Pokemon's got this easily if you go from its inception in 1998 onward, and SM64 alone wouldn't fill that gap. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
I
would be willing to bet money that there is no way Pokemon comes close
to beating SMB 1v1. SMB wasn't just one tier above the rest of the
competition, it was 2 or 3 tiers above. It, LoZ, and FF just dominated
everything else, and while all 3 of them are probably weaker now, the
gap between them and the rest of the competition would have to drop by a
catastrophic degree to allow any of the other series to come close. --- "Ahem! There is *sand* on my *boot*!"--Kefka Black Turtle beat me, Yesmar in the Fall 2010 Guru Contest! |
From: HaRRicH | #055 No, there isn't. You're reading way too much into these polls. --- Support Seifer Almasy (Final Fantasy VIII) for Character Battle IX! http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9342/banner3seifer.jpg |
I
mean, if you're going to give Pokemon credit based on this poll, then
you'd have to say Metroid would have a decent shot at unseating Mario. And I think we all have a pretty good idea how that one would go. --- Support Seifer Almasy (Final Fantasy VIII) for Character Battle IX! http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9342/banner3seifer.jpg |
Sadly,
I don't think SMB would be challenged by any series other than Zelda
and FF. Notice that Super Mario + Paper Mario is beating Pokemon today
too, and the other series are probably hurting Mario a lot more. My first reaction was to look for Zelda, and not finding it, to vote for none of the above, but then I read the question in more depth and saw the word unannounced, so I voted for Paper Mario. --- 90s games > 00s games |
And
it's not just this poll either. Samus has been indirectly equal to
Mario since 2004 (or at least very close on one side or the other) and
has always been a part of our Noble Nine. Metroid Prime gets 45%~ on
both Smash games through Fallout 3 (if you want to argue Fallout 3
overperformed on Brawl, I won't argue the point) and beat out Galaxy in
the final stats by a strong margin (and essentially finished equal to
G/S/C and Wind Waker). Of course, you know what other game outranks Galaxy in the final stats? Halo 1. So let's be careful about using these stats to prove anything! --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
Pokemon does
crush Mario over the past 13 years. But it gets completely trounced
for the 13 years before that. It could do surprisingly well- the thing
that makes me say this is Mario vs. Charizard. SMB the series is much
stronger than Mario the character though. --- 90s games > 00s games |
The
Mario series gets way too much respect to lose to Pokemon 1-on-1. The
only series that get more respect than it on GameFAQs are Zelda and FF
(and Zelda getting more respect than Mario means it loses that advantage
in that multiway series poll where Pokemon beats SMB). And this poll isn't asking "What is your favorite series?" It's "What do you want to see on the Wii U?" I fully expect to see a Mario game on it, and everyone else should, too (if not more than one), so I voted for Paper Mario. --- Support Seifer Almasy (Final Fantasy VIII) for Character Battle IX! http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9342/banner3seifer.jpg |
From: HaRRicH | #055 Diablo series to beat them both! And don't argue LFF because Starcraft II is in that poll! Heck, D3/SC2 combined almost has the same percentage as Pokemon/Galaxy combined does. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2437 Oh whoops --- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
I
wouldn't read too much into this poll. Consider this: the top 4
votegetters so far (Poke, Metroid, New IP, FE) have no games pending on
any system as far as I know. Paper and Super Mario have upcoming 3DS
titles, Kirby has two games coming out this year, so it makes sense that
they wouldn't get as many votes. Forget F-Zero - it seems Nintendo has. >_> --- Guru Status: Beaten cleanly by BT. http://www.rpgdl.com - Because everybody loves violent arena battles, right? |
Man some of you guys need to understand how demand works. Pokemon doing well makes sense because people still hope for an actual console Pokemon game, so there's higher demand. Metroid doing well makes sense because Metroid fanatics want to get the taste of Other M out of their mouth, so there's higher demand. Super Mario doing poorly makes sense because Galaxy 2/NSMBWii were more than satisfying and Super Mario 3DS is coming out, so there's not as much demand. If you still don't get it, how about you check out this poll: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3197 OMG EARTHBOUND AND MEGA MAN X > FFVI GUYS *loses to Yoshi's Island and Link's Awakening, respectively* --- http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/zukiraphaera/war-sig-1.png http://i.imgur.com/FII1z.gif |
I
already acknowledged this poll by itself isn't exactly to be trusted at
face-value -- like Leonhart said, it's a Wii U-poll instead of one
about your favorite series. That said, Pokemon beat Mario in that kind
of poll too. This is just another poll backing it up, flawed as it may
be (besides, goodness knows we gotta get some kind of discussion here). As for comparing Metroid, it's hard to do that anyway -- the only real things we ever saw of it in the Series Contest was how it doubled Kirby, allowed Pokemon to show its first signs of life before Pokemania ran wild on our contests, and took it hard from LoZ. For all we know, Metroid was the #4 series at the time of that contest; it's not like MGS or Mega Man looked super, and SSB's fishy due to the SSBB-announcement almost certainly affecting its match with SMB. We can't even tell much about its games outside of Metroid Prime, which might be even accurate. We know the original Metroid can beat Contra despite SFF from LoZ, and we know Super Metroid's basically on-par with Super Mario Kart...which tells us very little. All we really know for sure is that Metroid Prime's pretty legit and Samus is definitely legit. I understand Mario trounces Pokemon before 1998 because, well, Pokemon didn't exist. I also agree Mario's going to get the respect-votes. That said, if you're beating another series within the same company for all thirteen years you've been around, you're in a good position with the company as well. Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 aren't Nintendo-series, so I didn't consider them for that poll. They've still been highly-anticipated sequels to huge games for practically a decade each though, so I don't see that as a serious point anyway. The point is, between the two Nintendo-games in the poll, Pokemon's main-series game pretty easily beat Super Mario's main-series game. Super Mario can be stronger than Mario, sure...just as Pokemon can be stronger than Pikachu. Mario beats Pikachu, but Pikachu's hardly as representative of its series too. Now, to finish, I said there was a chance. I'd still take Mario > Pokemon, but ignoring the past thirteen years in a time when Pokemon looks as legit as ever and has beaten Mario in multiple recent polls isn't wise either. Besides, isn't there a popular theory about how Mario varies depending on how Nintendo is doing here? Look at the Wii now, and how people are skeptical about the Wii U, and how people are dissing the 3DS right now. For a #1-company here, Nintendo's reputation looks pretty down..... --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
WarThaNemesis2 posted... http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3197 Haha, I remember making that mistake...bah. Still, I already acknowledged the idea of demand when I compared today's poll to the recent 3DS-poll that asked a similar question. There are still several stronger points made about the current Mario/Pokemon-argument. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
From: HaRRicH | #066 Only R/B/Y and G/S/C can make that claim. Galaxy would beat any other game in the series, and I think Sunshine would have a decent shot at them, too. At the very least, it wouldn't be embarrassed by any of them. Now, to finish, I said there was a chance. And I said there wasn't! Seriously, Pokemon's not beating Mario 1-on-1. To borrow an Ulti phrase, that is "classic stats topic overthink." --- Support Barret Wallace (Final Fantasy VII) for Character Battle IX! http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3834/banner1barret.jpg |
Ignoring RBY and GSC are huge things to do considering they're responsible for the biggest gaming frenzy since
Mario, and -- even if you do -- we've seen people are still looking
forward to the latest Pokemon-games more than the latest Mario-games.
There's value to that. By the way, I get that I've mostly been ignoring SMW/SMB3/SMB1; they're why I'd still back Mario in this. I still see it as different from the above paragraph's situation though since we'd have to look twenty years back to get to them, plus it's not excluding Mario's top game. That's a long way to look back for its next-tier games before the tables turn, so it's hard to 100% rule out such a possibility that maybe the series that has won up to the past twenty years (longer than the series has even been alive!) has a shot. By the way, I would love to see SMS in a SFF-match. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
I
didn't say I was ignoring them. I just think you're overstating the
overall picture here! Yeah, the games sell like hotcakes to this day,
but none of the games after G/S/C have been anywhere near as popular. --- Support Otacon (Metal Gear Solid) for Character Battle IX! http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/1950/banner4otacon.jpg |
I'll
agree to that, though RSE still broke 40% on SMG and SMG2 didn't beat
the remake HG/SS by very much. We also didn't exactly get the best look
at DPP thanks to SSBB, nor do we know much about BW at this time
outside of it currently being in second place for this year's
GotY...which won't last, but hey. That's still pretty solid. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
I
don't think the Mari serieso has a real, widespread fanbase on this
site. Not like Zelda, Final Fantasy, or even Pokemon do. Oh sure, he has
loads of people who respect him, like him, and have massive nostalgia
for his older games, and they will accordingly vote for Mario and said
older games, but I don't think the masses here are super-excited about
more Mario games. We saw what happened to New Super Mario Bros. Wii last
contest. That said, Pokemon over Mario in a 1-on-1 series contest is not going to happen. And you know it. >_> |
*Mario series |
According to the GotD stats: GSC > SMG >>> NSMBWii >= SMS >= RSE > DPP Mario still seems to have the advantage as far as the '00s go. That said, out of the games that are ahead of Mario Galaxy in the final stats, what do you think would actually get the job done? Stuff like KH2, Portal, GoW, and Oblivion make enough sense, but then stuff like RESIDENT EVIL 5??? --- Currently Playing - Tetris, Civilization IV Next in Queue - Resident Evil 4, Batman: Arkham Asylum, Metal Gear Solid |
Any news of a contest yet? --- *is Dranze* Dr. Football swept me. |
Not yet. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
Yeah,
some of those matches are messed up. Games contests seem to have a
much bigger issue behaving according to traditional linear x-stats. For
instance, Skies of Arcadia is expected to nearly tie with Crisis Core
(I'm guessing Mass Effect is MC-esque). And then there's that part of
the bracket with Mario Sunshine and Halo. It's easier to judge and decide you like a character you don't really know, simply due to their design and learning about their personality or backstory from others. With games, you really have to play the game to decide how much you like it, no matter what is said about it. If you haven't played RE5 and it's in a poll with a "meh" game you've played, something like the match picture could have a major influence on whether you decide to vote for RE5. It's true that same idea could apply with characters as well, but I feel it's greater when it comes to video games. Feel free to disagree and give better reasoning than I. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
Speaking of the GotD stats, there's a bit of an issue at hand. A lot of B8'ers would pick DPP > Mass Effect, even though the stats have ME getting about 62% on DPP. Huh? --- Currently Playing - Tetris, Civilization IV Next in Queue - Resident Evil 4, Batman: Arkham Asylum, Metal Gear Solid |
I'd still take it. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest. |
man these polls are lame --- ... |
Yesterday's poll had the second lowest vote total out of any 24 hour poll since the start of 2010. In today's poll, Wii U started out very strong in the first minute. After the first minute, the Wii U collapsed like crazy while "Neither of them, I didn't care about either" came storming back like crazy to move into first place. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
Need a "What game are you most looking forward to from E3?" poll. --- http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2369/mythbattlers.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/Sensui22/1248835958206.png |
Need a "What game are you most looking forward to from E3?" poll. I agree. That poll would be a lot more interesting than some of the recent polls we've had recently. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
Just found a "contests.txt" on my computer. This was its contents: Never pick any of the following characters in a debatable match Master Chief Donkey Kong Magus Shadow the Hedgehog Tidus Kefka Ganondorf Banjo Dante lol --- A winner is Black Turtle. |
I would think Banjo would be in the list of "Never pick this character to win a match unless it's against Tanner" characters. --- http://i43.tinypic.com/dgwh0.gif http://www.majhost.com/gallery/atukam/OHWD/snownd.gif |
I feel Banjo is underrated, but at the same time he won't be beating too much based on where I'd rank him. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest. |
Why's Banjo on that list? It's not possible to disappoint if no one has faith in you to begin with. Donkey Kong's not really that "bad" either. 2008 was the only year he lost a match he wasn't supposed to. It's always seemed silly to me that Frog barely winning matches that he was supposed to win easily are considered successes, while Donkey Kong barley losing matches that weren't supposed to be close are considered failures. It *is* possible to look good in a loss you know. Feels much too deterministic to me, as if there's some mystical "curse" around DK to prevent him from winning. There's a line between drawing in legitimate outside factors than can affect a match, and just drawing in hogwash that doesn't make any sense, and you would think people would have learned this after claiming that Tails could never win a match and that GFNW would cause him to lose to Phoenix Wright. --- "Ahem! There is *sand* on my *boot*!"--Kefka Black Turtle beat me, Yesmar in the Fall 2010 Guru Contest! |
Yeah, having "Debatable Match" and "Banjo" in the same sentence just doesn't work. --- Will not remove this line of my signature until the Seahawks, Jazz or Rockies win a title (Started 5-16-09) Yes, I know I'm never getting rid of this signature |
Well,
not many people have faith in DK to win debatable matches, but he has a
tendency to make matches debatable that shouldn't be and then somehow
lose them anyway. And who was DK supposed to beat in 2008 that he didn't? Tidus? I'm pretty sure Tidus was the fave there. --- http://img.imgcake.com/leonpngpe.png http://img.imgcake.com/squalloweenpngem.png |
And who was DK supposed to beat in 2008 that he didn't? Tidus? I'm pretty sure Tidus was the fave there. WCC was supposed to lose in the first round, IIRC. --- "Ahem! There is *sand* on my *boot*!"--Kefka Black Turtle beat me, Yesmar in the Fall 2010 Guru Contest! |
BZer0 posted... Just found a "contests.txt" on my computer. This was its contents: Never pick any of the following characters in a debatable match Master Chief Donkey Kong Magus Shadow the Hedgehog Tidus Kefka Ganondorf Banjo Dante lol So let's see what's up with these guys: Master Chief is well-documented by now. However, we should place him in matches against the likes of Frog and Magus, and maybe even Kefka as well. Ryu Hayabusa is basically the antithesis of everything Chief and Halo stand for. DK collapsed in the 4-way contests because of being extremely susceptible to LFF, although this honestly makes me wonder if Samus could SFF him. Magus being here depresses me because I recently played through CT for the first time and now Mario is the only character who I'd consider voting for over him in these contests. Joy. What's even sillier is that Magus may be overrated in last year's stats due to Alucard potentially absorbing Link anti-votes. ...hey, we should place Chief against Tidus! Or perhaps stage a rematch between Chief and DK! Haha Ganondorf and Dante. Banjo...wait, when was he EVER in a debatable match??? You know who else we should include here? Phoenix Wright. --- Currently Playing - Tetris, Civilization IV Next in Queue - Resident Evil 4, Batman: Arkham Asylum, Metal Gear Solid |
From: LinkMarioSamus | #091 I would pay good money to see Master Chief wreck Frog, Magus, or Kefka with the ASV in a 24 hour match. Metaphorically speaking, that is. --- Support Seifer Almasy (Final Fantasy VIII) for Character Battle IX! http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9342/banner3seifer.jpg |
Now this is an interesting poll. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
Planning
on tracking trends? I wonder if the 4th option taking the lead will
drag up the 5th option from people who look at the results before
voting. --- Pokemon VGC2011 NW Regional - Top 8 Hopefully, we'll meet in Indianapolis... |
I
found it strange when the poll options were totally out of order. Like
the first poll option didn't say "The first one". It also confused me
at first, but I ended up voting for "The first one". Planning on tracking trends? I wonder if the 4th option taking the lead will drag up the 5th option from people who look at the results before voting. I suppose I can do that. Plus, I'm also trying to figure out when we finally transition back into normal summer vacation trends (with no ASV). As of last Friday, there is still an ASV, though it is pretty diluted. Back in 2009, there was a poll on 6/19/2009 (third Friday of June) that had no visible signs of any ASV in that poll. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
I
went for "The second one" since I knew the casuals would heavily favor
"The first one" which was the second one. The right answer may end up
being "The fourth one" which is the least popular answer right now. --- Pokemon VGC2011 NW Regional - Top 8 Hopefully, we'll meet in Indianapolis... |
A lead change already. I wonder just how much of a comeback "The fourth one" can make for being the right answer. --- Pokemon VGC2011 NW Regional - Top 8 Hopefully, we'll meet in Indianapolis... |
I picked correctly! ...I think. I voted for the least popular option, which is actually the right answer. --- Support Barret Wallace (Final Fantasy VII) for Character Battle IX! http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3834/banner1barret.jpg |
"The second one" is attempting to run away with this poll as it gets close to a 100 vote lead on "The first one". Looking at the results for Europe, it sounds like "The second one" will dominate the night vote badly over "The first one" (currently last place in Europe). But it's still very early right now, so the results for Europe can change quite a lot over the next few hours. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
