GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 997
No
other Zelda character apart from Dark Link should be anywhere near
Epona. If she's a midcarder, it can be reasonably assumed every other
character is fodder. Even if she pulls a freakin' Charizard, it can
still (and probably will) be argued that no other Zelda character would
be worth seeing. --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/25z1non.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
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I wana see a Dodongo --- Nice catch BlAcK TuRtLe. But too bad your ass got SAAAAAAAAAAACKED.*tackles* |
And
let's be honest: Even though Charizard/Vincent/whoever you want to
argue didn't get in for several years, we still had reasonable
expectations that they could be pretty strong. Does anyone other than red sox really believe Saria, Malon, or whoever else you want to throw in other than Epona or Dark Link would be worth anything? I mean, if you want to give Zelda more reps, that's fine, but your options are limited on who's worth seeing. --- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
Whose
to say that nominations aren't very split after Link/Ganondorf/Zelda? I
think most of us agree that there isn't another character close to
them, but there's still a big gap between them and bad fodder. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest. |
charmander6000 posted... Whose to say that nominations aren't very split after Link/Ganondorf/Zelda? I think most of us agree that there isn't another character close to them, but there's still a big gap between them and bad fodder. I know this is limited evidence, but from those "Who did you nominate?" tallies we have every year, how many non-Link/Zelda/Ganondorf characters get nominated, and how many of them have more than 1 or 2? --- Support Barret Wallace (Final Fantasy VII) for Character Battle IX! http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3834/banner1barret.jpg |
LeonhartFour posted... And let's be honest: Even though Charizard/Vincent/whoever you want to argue didn't get in for several years, we still had reasonable expectations that they could be pretty strong. Does anyone other than red sox really believe Saria, Malon, or whoever else you want to throw in other than Epona or Dark Link would be worth anything? I mean, if you want to give Zelda more reps, that's fine, but your options are limited on who's worth seeing. I think that Saria and Malon could have some strength. No stronger than Midna but I don't think fodder either. Other then that, I don't see anyone who could be anything more than fodder from OoT. Unless Master Sword or Triforce gets in. --- http://raptr.com/badge/cf898f37d9c30ef120ada6c35e636ad3/uc.png http://myanimelist.net/signature/RyanSaotome.png |
I
know this is limited evidence, but from those "Who did you nominate?"
tallies we have every year, how many non-Link/Zelda/Ganondorf characters
get nominated, and how many of them have more than 1 or 2? I imagine that most people that nominate tend to go for a diverse selection of characters instead of 15 from one series. When you think of Zelda you think of Link/Ganondorf/Zelda, but that doesn't mean you wouldn't vote for other characters if given the chance. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest. |
If Midna level is the best we can do, then I think we're okay without them. --- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
Virtually nobody on Board 8 nominates Link/Zelda/Ganon because they're considered "locks." --- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
Okay
a board 8er thinks of Zelda and thinks of Link/Ganondorf/Zelda and
goes, they're locks time to move on to the next series. So they aren't
any hardcore Malon fans, take a look at Epona or even Dark Link. Nominations have never been a good indication of strength/potential strength anyways. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest. |
Board 8 adores Zelda, so you'd think they'd consider more than Link/Ganon/Zelda. And any Zelda characters who ever get into the NRT get summarily trounced except for Epona and Dark Link, and even those get anti-voted heavily. Board 8 in general isn't really keen on seeing new Zelda characters, and this is a board that loves Zelda. --- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
The
board goes through stages on who to nominate, characters who performed
well one year may get turned on in the next. A lot will be riding on
Epona for the future of new Zelda characters. Just like Squirtle, should he flop everyone except Jigglypuff (and that's because of Smash) can kiss their chances of getting in. Maybe Brock/Misty/Oak might survive because they are humans. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest. |
I'm not sure that I'd say Board 8 loves Zelda more than the site in general. If anything it probably likes Zelda less! --- "Ahem! There is *sand* on my *boot*!"--Kefka Black Turtle beat me, Yesmar in the Fall 2010 Guru Contest! |
I think Red doing so-so will hurt any other human Pokemon characters' chances of getting in. --- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
Board 8 may not be as fanatical about the Zelda series as the site in general is, but it does love Zelda. --- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
Yeah,
but when the Smash and possibly the Mario series tops it you do have a
lot of secondary characters fighting for spots then you get other
games/series that people feel needs more representation like FFVIII and
spontaneous nominations like Darth Revan last year and almost Johnny
Cage this year. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest. |
Hey, FFVIII deserves a 2nd rep if FFIV, FFVI, and FFIX get three characters apiece! I don't really agree with who gets voted into the NRT every year though, but still. --- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
From: LeonhartFour | #358 Midna level is like Frog/Magus level. --- Yoblazer: http://i44.tinypic.com/5nw45i.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
I dunno, if the best we can do is someone who gets 36% on the weakest Sora since 2005, then we'll be okay. Being Magus level isn't anything to brag about anymore! Sandbag is Magus level! --- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
I think it's pretty telling that these are the characters that people are after now. Best to stick with games! --- Knowledge is the eye of desire and can become the pilot of the soul. |
Maybe
not 1v1. Either way, I think you're being biased. If you don't want to
see the characters because you don't care for them, that's fine, but
"Magus level" isn't suddenly weak enough that we shouldn't even bother.
There are 128 spots to fill, and we always want new entrants. --- Yoblazer: http://i33.tinypic.com/ml36gl_th.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Going back to secondary Mario characters we should try to get Toad back in. His one appearance was against Bowser. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest. |
Well,
I'm thinking Midna level is probably being pretty generous, honestly. I
don't share in red sox's thinking that Malon is some sort of lock to
win that. Although Midna is probably weaker than Frog (like a 55/45 match) based on the evidence: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3754 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3757 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3832 --- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
And
if I had any reason to believe extremely minor characters whose only
role is to teach you an ocarina song and disappear for the rest of the
game would be popular, I'd be for it, but I just don't see any reason to
believe it. At least with characters like Vincent, Charizard, Red, whoever, people on the board (or somewhere) would talk about how much they like these characters, they'd do well in board contests, whatever. If people on the internet are talking about how awesome Malon is, I must not have been paying attention. --- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
We
all agree on the big three for the series, but let's not act like Epona
doesn't matter to the series either. She's introduced in the intro of
LoZ:OoT and has several big moments later in it (which is about to be
remade in 3D), put into LoZ:MM by popular demand, and you start with her
and even get to name her for the first time in LoZ:TP. From 1998 to 2007, how many games do you want to take to beat each of those three games? How many games from ANY time-period do you want to take over them? That's a decade of dominance, and Epona's become a modern staple in our biggest series because of them. I can repost a list from the Epona-rally topic, but I'll hold off since it's huge...pretty much though, Epona's got the most appearances in the top fifteen games on the site without reaching a contest (and is tied for the second most in general if you don't count the SSB-series). That's importance. Also, for those thinking Malon may do well -- it'll be hard to imagine people voting for her but not Epona! --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
Being Magus level isn't anything to brag about anymore! Sandbag is Magus level! That makes things a lot clearer for me, thanks. No way do Great Deku Tree or Epona lose to Sandbag, so unless Magus would actually beat Sandbag 1v1, I think those two would be stronger than him. Malon and Saria probably are not as strong as Epona and the Deku Tree, although they are much better characters in my opinion. But knowing Magus, he'll probably lose to them if it came down to it. --- 90s games > 00s games |
Saria > Malon But Ezlo > all I think you guys are forgetting Vaati though, the next most popular villain. If he gets into a real game one day he'd be beast! Agahnim could work if he had a recognizable picture. |
From: -LusterSoldier- | #1357 Actually, lookie here! The next two games after Link's Awakening, the game with the lowest X-stat on IGN's contest to make a GameFAQs contest, are the two games Vaati was in! The other game Vaati starred in was the original Four Swords, which was packaged with...drumroll... the Link to the Past GBA port!!!! Vaati Vaati Vaati Vaati! |
I wouldn't use those x-stats due to all the SFF. Still Vaati probably isn't going to do anything. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest. |
who the hell is vaati --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://img.imgcake.com/wesker.gif |
Aghanim would work except that...........spoilers. --- 90s games > 00s games |
Eh? What spoilers would work against him being tourny viable? |
Well,
I'm not sure he'd be allowed as a separate character from Ganon. I
think SBAllen already said Sheik and Dark Link weren't eligible. --- 90s games > 00s games |
Uh...that should probably be put in spoiler tags anyways even though... *spoilers* That's incorrect! Agahnim was possessed by Ganon, not the same guy! Sure without being possessed he might not be a bad guy, or even have a role, but still! *end spoilers* Unless I'm totally wrong. Well since Dark Link isn't viable despite being a completely separate character, then I guess it's true Agahnim might not make it anyways. |
Did SB ever officially comment on Dark Link's contest-status? I know he said Sheik and Zelda were the same. Nintendo-characters have never been particularly deep, but that's not stopped Nintendo from having either the strongest OR the most characters/games/series represented in our contests; it is the top company here, afterall. You do not have to be deep to do well -- look at Link, then remember these other examples too: Sandbag beat Magus (as already mentioned) with Sonic in the poll, Master Hand upset Kuja, and Missingno broke the Noble Nine by embarrassing Crono. That's a pinata, a glove, and a glitch...at least Epona's a living creature with backstory and a classic song, plus she's got more facetime in bigger games from a bigger series than those other three examples. She needed to be introduced in the Female Bracket of 2006 to have really caused a scene, but she's undoubtedly got potential to make some fun upsets anyway and seems to be more capable of actually using it than most of the newcomers left to consider. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
It also helps that Nintendo has the most series to work with. Not too many Nintendo series have the depth to get 4-5 regulars. Just looking at last year's bracket Mario and Pokemon had 5 characters while Zelda had 4. As TP continues to age Midna will become forgotten, heck she barely made it to the last contest already. Pokemon splits their nominations too much; Pikachu will always stay, Charizard and Missingno have at least a future next contest since they were surprises last year, Red may not stay considering that the board will probably not help him and Mewtwo is drifting towards being outside the bubble. However as long as Pokemon characters keep getting spots in the NRT they should be able to get at least 4 spots. Mario series is by far the safest; Mario, Yoshi, Luigi and Bowser will always be here and then we have Peach, Wario and Toad all being on the bubble. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest. |
Did SB ever officially comment on Dark Link's contest-status? I know he said Sheik and Zelda were the same. He said he's not eligible. --- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
No way do Great Deku Tree or Epona lose to Sandbag You've got way too much faith in the Deku Tree. Epona probably doesn't lose to Sandbag though. --- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
Sandbag is probably a lot less popular than in 2008 for what it's worth. --- "Ahem! There is *sand* on my *boot*!"--Kefka Black Turtle beat me, Yesmar in the Fall 2010 Guru Contest! |
Sandbag's
probably not as popular 1-on-1 either, I'd imagine. After all, even
though Master Hand beat Kuja, he still turned out to be really weak in
the end. --- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
True,
four-ways and being a fresh joke. WCC went from equal to Tidus to
probably not being that much higher than the fodder line. Even L-Block
would probably struggle to get the 41% that it got on Kirby in 2007
round 1. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest. |
L-Block
can never be like how it began again though, due to it controversially
winning a championship. Not that I necessarily disagree, but it's
changed as a contestant. I'd take Great Deku Tree to beat Sandbag though, and I'd feel okay about it. LoZ's known for its dungeons, and that's the first one in the site's #1-game...plus it's funny because we've never seen a "level" compete before. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
This is not exactly the most on-topic post, but since we were speaking about Zelda characters... ...I had weird dreams over the past few days of a Zelda game where Link is a well-respected hoplite (instead of just some farmer boy) and Zelda is the general's daughter, as well as being Link's love interest right from the outset. Both would have elaborate backstories, with the game revealing that Link is a father figure of sorts to Zelda since he teaches her Pankration and other skills which girls would be forbidden to learn in this Sparta-inspired society. The first game would involve Link heading out to see the world because he's disgusted with some of his nation's ideologies, and the direct sequel would star Zelda, with her looking for Link. Both marry each other at the end of the first game, and at the end of the second game they lead some soldiers to the new land Link discovered and settle there, to become the ancestors of the line of Links we all know and love. And in case the second case sounds ridiculous, just imagine a hot chick wielding katanas, Mongolian maces, and Viking axes. --- Currently Playing - Chrono Trigger DS |
LMS, I'm still waiting for you to admit you're Wylvane's alt to baffle us with posts like that...! --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
I don't even know who this Wylvane guy is. --- Currently Playing - Chrono Trigger DS |
Then Not Wylvane's account is working brilliantly. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
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The game says so. --- Support Barret Wallace (Final Fantasy VII) for Character Battle IX! http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3834/banner1barret.jpg |
CLEARLY HINTING AT A FICTIONAL CHARACTER CONTEST --- http://www.nbc.com/parks-and-recreation/exclusives/ron-dancing-animated.gif |
