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#101 | HaRRicH | Posted 5/12/2011 12:24:50 PM | message detail
You wanna take FFX or SSBB over LoZ:LttP? I'm sure it'd be plenty respectable, but LoZ:LttP already barely beat SM64 and I don't think LoZ:MM beats SM64. I guess you can't really rule it out, but I'm not taking that upset right now; I'll need to see more SNES-classics drop in prestige here first.
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#102 | LeonhartFour | Posted 5/12/2011 12:26:00 PM | message detail
I didn't say I'd take it. I just said it'd be closer than a lot of people think.

LTTP, Mario 64, and CT aren't that far above FFX or SSBM, I think.
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#103 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 5/12/2011 12:28:23 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
I didn't say I'd take it. I just said it'd be closer than a lot of people think.

LTTP, Mario 64, and CT aren't that far above FFX or SSBM, I think.


Yeah, basically this. I'd obviously still favor LttP, but after last contest, I gained a lot of respect for Majoras Mask around here. It would likely be a 51-52% win for Lttp, but anything can happen when you're dealing with percentages that close.
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#104 | pjbasis | Posted 5/12/2011 1:29:18 PM | message detail | (edited)
Here we go.

Ocarina of Time - 28337 [95.50%]
Phantom Hourglass - 1334 [4.50%]

Oracle of Seasons - 3956 [13.78%]
Wind Waker - 24762 [86.22%]

Link to the Past - 14375 [49.05%]
Majora's Mask - 14934 [50.95%]

Link's Awakening - 6911 [23.86%]
Twilight Princess - 22056 [76.14%]

lol votals, this is what happens when no one knows how to find your tournament.

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#105 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 5/12/2011 12:32:47 PM | message detail | (edited)
Majora's Mask actually had 14934 votes, not 14394.

Well, the vote totals were corrected, but now the percentages have to be corrected as well.
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#106 | pjbasis | Posted 5/12/2011 12:32:42 PM | message detail
But yeah, considering how much the newer games dominate on IGN, that close a match makes me think LttP still wins the day around here.
#107 | HaRRicH | Posted 5/12/2011 12:33:49 PM | message detail
MM VS TP should be the last really interesting match left in that tournament. I almost expect the winner of that to look worse against OoT than WW will this round.
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#108 | HaRRicH | Posted 5/12/2011 12:40:01 PM | message detail
Thanks pj, though I don't think you updated the percentage on MM/LttP.

It'd be kind of amazing if LoZ:MM beat LoZ:LttP considering their initial impressions and their history of expectations here with GameFAQs-contests. We saw what OoT did to LttP (championship or not) and it looks like SM64's risen above both SMB3 and SMW...maybe the appreciation for 2D-gaming just isn't what it was anymore. I'm not going to take MM just because of these things and an IGN-contest, but I have little doubt MM would look good and compete well enough with LttP.
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#109 | HaRRicH | Posted 5/12/2011 1:01:07 PM | message detail
Last post for awhile: with LoZ:MM upsetting LoZ:LttP there and the advertising for LoZ:OoT3D already beginning here, Epona's looking pretty slick...!
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#110 | LeonhartFour | Posted 5/12/2011 1:01:46 PM | message detail
Aw yeah TP
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#111 | LeonhartFour | Posted 5/12/2011 1:07:48 PM | message detail
It's weird that you don't want to give too much credit to Majora's Mask beating LTTP on IGN in terms of how it would do in these contests, but yet you don't mind using it to plug possible Epona strength!

Sounds like a double standard to me
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#112 | HaRRicH | Posted 5/12/2011 1:18:35 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
It's weird that you don't want to give too much credit to Majora's Mask beating LTTP on IGN in terms of how it would do in these contests, but yet you don't mind using it to plug possible Epona strength!

Don't worry, I found the key-word for you.
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#113 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 5/12/2011 1:22:25 PM | message detail
Honestly, I'm surprised Epona hasn't gotten in yet. I think she could be a good midcarder.. stronger than Midna. Anyone who played Ocarina of Time will instantly remember their fond memories of riding Epona around.
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#114 | LeonhartFour | Posted 5/12/2011 1:25:33 PM | message detail
Honestly, I'm surprised Epona hasn't gotten in yet.

You know why Epona hasn't gotten in yet?

She's a horse.

Don't worry, I found the key-word for you.

It's still optimism vs. skepticism, with a hidden agenda!

You're not willing to give Majora's Mask any benefit of the doubt!
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#115 | pjbasis | Posted 5/12/2011 1:33:08 PM | message detail

From: HaRRicH | #508
Thanks pj, though I don't think you updated the percentage on MM/LttP.



Agh, that was dumb.
fixd again
#116 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 5/12/2011 1:37:58 PM | message detail
You know why Epona hasn't gotten in yet?

She's a horse.


A creepy midget thing got in, though. If he can get it, its surprising Epona can't. I guess Epona is just the kind of character people don't think of when nominations come out. But if they see her, I'm sure a good amount of people would vote for her.
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#117 | LeonhartFour | Posted 5/12/2011 1:43:29 PM | message detail
I guess Epona is just the kind of character people don't think of when nominations come out.

You know why people don't think of Epona?

She's a horse.
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#118 | red sox 777 | Posted 5/12/2011 2:21:30 PM | message detail
MM beat LTTP on Gamefaqs? Not a chance. 55/45, worse if LTTP can catch the SFF.
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#119 | red sox 777 | Posted 5/12/2011 2:22:43 PM | message detail
Personally, I'm shocked Tingle ever got in. I mean, seriously, who nominated him? Square fans who wanted to make Zelda look bad to guilt voters into voting for Cloud over Link? I don't get it.
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#120 | LeonhartFour | Posted 5/12/2011 2:24:52 PM | message detail
Personally, I'm shocked Tingle ever got in. I mean, seriously, who nominated him? Square fans who wanted to make Zelda look bad to guilt voters into voting for Cloud over Link? I don't get it.

I'd imagine Tingle's picture being on the front page on the day SC2K6 noms opened had something to do with it.

Although I can't explain how he managed to get back in the next year.
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#121 | red sox 777 | Posted 5/12/2011 2:27:42 PM | message detail
A couple years back, I thought human OOT characters like Saria could be pretty strong, but I guess Red's failure made me lose hope on that.
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#122 | HaRRicH | Posted 5/12/2011 2:28:34 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
It's still optimism vs. skepticism, with a hidden agenda!

You're not willing to give Majora's Mask any benefit of the doubt!


We've seen a lot more from LoZ:MM than we have from Epona, and there's nothing hidden about my agenda!


I'm also in the how-did-Tingle-do-it-twice camp. Two contests, and he didn't face Link either time? It's BS, I tell ya.....
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#123 | LeonhartFour | Posted 5/12/2011 2:30:11 PM | message detail
I don't think Zelda fans care a whole lot about characters outside of the big three. Not to say Epona couldn't do decently, but I wouldn't have high expectations for Saria, Malon, Talon, King Tarkinian, whoever.
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#124 | LeonhartFour | Posted 5/12/2011 2:31:35 PM | message detail
Two contests, and he didn't face Link either time?

I know, right? I mean, Midgar Zolom has to face Cloud, but Tingle gets a pass?

Technically, he couldn't face Link in 2006 because Link wasn't in the main bracket, but no excuse in 2007.

Man, can you imagine how a Link/Tingle/Edgeworth/Agent J fourpack would've gone? Link could've pushed for 80% there.
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#125 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 5/12/2011 2:31:55 PM | message detail
I do have a big question about Epona though...

For match pics, would it be Link riding Epona, or just Epona herself? That could make a big difference in her strength, I would think
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#126 | pjbasis | Posted 5/12/2011 2:32:12 PM | message detail
Tingle haters in my topic?

this aggression will not stand
#127 | LeonhartFour | Posted 5/12/2011 2:32:36 PM | message detail
For match pics, would it be Link riding Epona, or just Epona herself?

How many characters get match pics with other characters in them?

I don't see why Epona would be an exception. She has individual art.
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#128 | red sox 777 | Posted 5/12/2011 2:34:17 PM | message detail
I think just Epona. Link riding Epona would look like a picture of Link.
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#129 | LOLContests | Posted 5/12/2011 2:55:11 PM | message detail
I don't see why Red should say anything about someone like Saria. She is from a way more popular game, and actually has a personality that people like. Red still looked pretty decent anyway, near loss to Ocelot or no, so even if Saria was a little less popular she'd be deserving to get in.
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#130 | HaRRicH | Posted 5/12/2011 3:04:41 PM | message detail | (edited)
Link would have wrecked such a poll, though I'd almost bank on Tingle taking second place due to 4chan-support...!

EDIT: I haven't seen much art of Epona by herself, but it wouldn't be fair to allow Link in her pics because of that either.
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#131 | charmander6000 | Posted 5/12/2011 3:04:32 PM | message detail
Honestly, I'm surprised Epona hasn't gotten in yet.

Same reason why it took years to get Charizard in a contest. People don't think of those types of characters because they're just a horse/pokemon.
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#132 | LeonhartFour | Posted 5/12/2011 3:04:46 PM | message detail
And then imagine: We would've gotten Link/Zelda/Tingle/Vincent in round 2!

...I wonder how that would've gone, percentage-wise.
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#133 | red sox 777 | Posted 5/12/2011 3:04:51 PM | message detail
Well, let's just say my idea of how strong Saria could be was probably way higher than anyone else in this topic would have considered.
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#134 | LeonhartFour | Posted 5/12/2011 3:07:20 PM | message detail | (edited)
It'd be pretty easy to cut Link out of this pic, at least:

http://mimg.ugo.com/201102/2/6/6/174662/cuts/epona20link16qd_480x480.jpg

And obviously, head-shot rounds would be easy, too.
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#135 | SuperAngelo128 | Posted 5/12/2011 3:13:58 PM | message detail
Tingle's very popular in Japan so there may be those Zelda fans who have a "Japanese" mindset or something
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#136 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 5/12/2011 3:50:12 PM | message detail
SuperAngelo128 posted...
Tingle's very popular in Japan so there may be those Zelda fans who have a "Japanese" mindset or something

Well as popular as a Zelda character can be in Japan. Those games struggle to hit a million copies in Japan, with only OoT and LttP ever topping a million
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#137 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/12/2011 7:48:02 PM | message detail
Wind Waker seems to be very popular in Japan as well (which is why Tingle is so popular there). However though, the Zelda franchise does seem to be something that is most popular among Western audiences (same with basically ANYTHING from Nintendo, come to think of it).
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#138 | GintokiSaotome | Posted 5/12/2011 7:59:54 PM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
Wind Waker seems to be very popular in Japan as well (which is why Tingle is so popular there). However though, the Zelda franchise does seem to be something that is most popular among Western audiences (same with basically ANYTHING from Nintendo, come to think of it).

Mario, and especially Pokemon, are massive in Japan.
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#139 | SuperAngelo128 | Posted 5/12/2011 8:19:13 PM | message detail
FateStayAlbion posted...
SuperAngelo128 posted...
Tingle's very popular in Japan so there may be those Zelda fans who have a "Japanese" mindset or something

Well as popular as a Zelda character can be in Japan. Those games struggle to hit a million copies in Japan, with only OoT and LttP ever topping a million


woah that's news to me
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#140 | pjbasis | Posted 5/12/2011 11:59:19 PM | message detail
The first NES Zeldas also topped 1 million in Japan.

But yeah otherwise those are the only four. Seems like they've just gotten less popular.
#141 | GintokiSaotome | Posted 5/13/2011 12:43:11 AM | message detail
SuperAngelo128 posted...
FateStayAlbion posted...
SuperAngelo128 posted...
Tingle's very popular in Japan so there may be those Zelda fans who have a "Japanese" mindset or something

Well as popular as a Zelda character can be in Japan. Those games struggle to hit a million copies in Japan, with only OoT and LttP ever topping a million

woah that's news to me


Its probably not anime enough or something. At least it doesn't do as bad as Metroid, especially since Prime. Prime 1 sold like 120k in Japan.
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#142 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/13/2011 3:29:21 AM | message detail
I think Other M might actually be the most popular Metroid title in Japan (or at least, I know that it was better received in Japan than ANY of the Prime games, which is just sick IMO).
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#143 | red sox 777 | Posted 5/13/2011 8:02:31 AM | message detail | (edited)
Zelda feels very Western, don't you think so? Wind Waker is probably the most Japanese Zelda game by feel, but it didn't do very well there either, because the Gamecube had really low sales there. And Chrono Trigger outsold all Zelda titles in Japan!

Edit: Zelda takes place in what's basically Medieval Europe.
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#144 | neonreaper | Posted 5/13/2011 7:56:57 AM | message detail
It's interesting how D&D, Ultima, Wizardy, etc. was only mildly successful among niche groups here, yet that genre really took off overseas, to the point where anything like those games is basically termed jRPG..... and the action RPG style is more of a Japanese 'invention', yet it's what people prefer over here.
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#145 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/13/2011 8:10:18 AM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
Zelda feels very Western, don't you think so? Wind Waker is probably the most Japanese Zelda game by feel, but it didn't do very well there either, because the Gamecube had really low sales there. And Chrono Trigger outsold all Zelda titles in Japan!

Edit: Zelda takes place in what's basically Medieval Europe.


Zelda definitely feels more Western than Final Fantasy, that's for sure (especially the "serious" games in the series).

Speaking of the Zelda series, I found out that Twilight Princess is the best selling Zelda title in PAL regions. Yikes.

...in retrospect, a LOT of Nintendo franchises feel more Western than Japanese. Mario and Metroid are other big offenders, but one could technically work F-Zero and Star Fox into this equation as well. Kirby and especially Pokemon are likely BIG exceptions.

Off-Topic but somewhat related: I don't remember if I mentioned this earlier, but I actually like Toon Link more than "Serious" Link. I think it's a combination of Serious Link feeling lethargic in comparison to Mario and Samus (this is far less of a problem with the more nimble and acrobatic Toon Link), and Toon Link's design being extremely reminiscent of the earlier Zelda games (A Link to the Past is my favorite game in the series). In fact, just to get personal, I prefer cartoony art styles in my Nintendo games (for instance, A Link to the Past is my favorite Zelda, Super Mario 3 and Galaxy 1/2 are my favorite Marios, and Super Metroid is my favorite Metroid). I do honestly think I would like Wind Waker more than any of the serious Zeldas if I had actually played it recently (and I have not played it since early '09).
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#146 | red sox 777 | Posted 5/13/2011 8:11:51 AM | message detail
How are LTTP and Mario 3 cartoony?
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#147 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/13/2011 8:20:26 AM | message detail
I personally feel that LttP and SMB3 have cartoony art styles. Not a bad thing at all: quite the opposite for me in fact!
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#148 | pjbasis | Posted 5/13/2011 9:58:46 AM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #706
How are LTTP and Mario 3 cartoony?



How are they not?
#149 | AxemPink | Posted 5/13/2011 10:36:58 AM | message detail
Well, MK9 now has more total sales in its 3rd week than MvC3 has in its 12th week, despite MK9 apparently not having any Japanese sales.
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#150 | HaRRicH | Posted 5/13/2011 10:50:43 AM | message detail
It helps explain why MK9 beat MvsC3 here then:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4330

Still, I don't think MK-characters will see as big of a boost as some MvsC3-characters.
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