GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 996
Whoa,
Ganondorf is winning the Bowser/Ganon matchup that's been hyped since
2005. Good show for him, I think lately this topic has favored Bowser
there. --- 90s games > 00s games |
I
really don't see how the Bowser/Ganondorf match has ever been worth
debating. Has there ever been any legitimate justification given as to
why Bowser might have a chance at winning? --- "I submitted brackets on all [224] of my accounts so they would get the 10 free Karma for beating SBAllen's score." - Luster Soldier |
pjbasis posted... Samus is probably one of the worst opponents for a joke rally to face. And anyways, I think Giovanni/Brock/Blue could get through a round. I say we pick one to nominate. Any other year this would've been true, but 2006 was where all the female characters were overperforming against Samus, remember? Furthermore do not forget that Pokemon is usually SFF-resistant while Metroid is the exact opposite. This means that Ridley would likely toast Giovanni in a 1 on 1. And argh Ganondorf, I don't mind him winning this poll but doing it so easily is just...yeah, lol GameFAQs again. We might as well be an Ocarina of Time fansite by this point, which is beyond ridiculous. ...do you think it's possible that Mario and all his kin are at least 40% SSB in terms of contest strength? --- Currently Playing - Baldur's Gate Upcoming - StarCraft: Brood War, Baldur's Gate II |
...do you think it's possible that Mario and all his kin are at least 40% SSB in terms of contest strength? No. Ganondorf vs Bowser: Ganondorf: Lost to Luigi in 2007 by 1% after beating him the previous round and having Bacondorf as an excuse. Bowser: Lost to Luigi in 2008 by 5%, no real excuse beyond lol4-ways and Ganondorf could play that card too. Ganondorf: 58.65% on Mewtwo in 2010. Bowser: 53.43% on Mewtwo in 2007. Bowser: 60.85% on Mewtwo in 2007 if you give him every single one of Toad's votes. Ganondorf: Lost to Gordon Freeman in 2008 because Samus leeched and probably SFFed him and Gordon's fanbase is extremely hardcore. Bowser: Lost to Ryu in 2007 because of Toad and Mewtwo LFF...and then lost again because of, uh...Shadow the Hedegehog LFF? Maybe? In 2010, Bowser got about the same on Frog as Ganondorf got on Ken and Bowser did better on Charizard than Ganondorf (albeit Bacondorf) got on Sonic, so I guess that looks good for Bowser. This poll doesn't look good for Bowser though, and Skyward Sword probably destroys whatever chance Bowser might have now. --- Black turtle beat me, o noes! |
From: Azp2k32 | #302 Weird SFF match-up. The match has grown less interesting in the past couple of years after Bowser looked like he had fallen off a bit, but I might have still rolled the dice on Bowser. It's much too big a risk after this poll, however. I know Zelda looked pretty bad after the last contest, but I'm not sure if I'd consider Luigi, Yoshi, or Bowser over her either. Not after this poll. --- Yoblazer: http://8board.webs.com/ariel.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
...I'm
not even sure that Zelda and Ganondorf would appear in Skyward Sword.
The game claims not to adhere to its franchise's traditions too much,
but yeah. --- Currently Playing - Baldur's Gate Upcoming - StarCraft: Brood War, Baldur's Gate II |
It
looked like Andross and K. Rool were going to battle over last place
last night, but K. Rool has since decided to fight for sixth place
instead with King Dedede. Meanwhile, Andross has accepted losing this
poll. Congratulations, Sigma...you struggled with that head in last place once. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
I
really don't see how the Bowser/Ganondorf match has ever been worth
debating. Has there ever been any legitimate justification given as to
why Bowser might have a chance at winning? Ganondorf has only looked better in 2004, 2006, and 2007. 2008 they looked equal, I suppose (possibly 2007 as well), and in 2003, 2005, and 2010, I would say that Bowser looked better. Bowser should in theory have better odds against Ganondorf, but we were blinded by the Link/Magus fraud for so long, that it's hard to really see that Bowser should have been the favorite all along, and TP hype was the only thing that ever made Ganondorf look better. --- "Ahem! There is *sand* on my *boot*!"--Kefka Black Turtle beat me, Yesmar in the Fall 2010 Guru Contest! |
Bowser > Ganondorf in 2004 too, we adjusted Ganondorf with 2003 and Ganondorf's performance against Alucard wasn't that good. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest. |
I never saw a reason to think Bowser > Ganon. Zelda destroys Mario on this site. Link > Mario Ganon > Bowser Zelda > Peach Hell we'd probably even see Epona > Goomba --- "I have an IQ in excess of 130, so I'm smarter than anyone you know." "FFX-2 is way too hard." -SvenGorgenson |
Looks
like Giovanni's really worth his salt! I'd definitely like to see him
in a contest, especially since his match pics would be ridiculously
cool. Hell we'd probably even see Epona > Goomba That'd be the worst thing ever. Poor Goomba never gets any respect...! --- CRAZY DAVE (PLANTS VS. ZOMBIES) Your Character Battle IX champion. |
So what do we think about Ganondorf vs. Charizard? Do we favor Ganon (assuming a fair match pic, that is)? This makes Sonic look pretty good, too, Bacondorf notwithstanding. He would've won that match regardless of the pic though, I believe. Bacondorf just made it worse. --- http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7760/222bj.jpg |
It
looks like a toss-up based on this match and Bowser/Charizard. I'll
probably go with Charizard just because I hate hierarchies as an
argument (although it actually might apply in this case, whereas Bowser
was never going to be higher than Charizard on any Nintendo hierarchy.) --- 90s games > 00s games |
From: red sox 777 | #313 What the? Nobody believed this or more people would've picked Charizard to go as far as he did. Besides, there's reason to believe the 'Zard overperformed against Bowser in their match anyway, and he definitely overperformed against Mario. (Either that, or we have a strong case for Sonic > Mario...!) --- Support Squirtle (Pokemon R/B/Y) for Character Battle IX! http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/8463/banner2squirtle.jpg |
What the? Nobody believed this or more people would've picked Charizard to go as far as he did. It's what I said all along (that there was no reason to believe Bowser was higher on any hierarchy). I had Sora winning the division. --- 90s games > 00s games |
I
wouldn't go so far as to say "No reason." It's not even certain
Charizard wins a rematch at this point. There's no telling what kind of
effect HG/SS and/or bandwagoning had on that match. --- http://i43.tinypic.com/dgwh0.gif http://www.majhost.com/gallery/atukam/OHWD/snownd.gif |
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4317®ion=PH Never change, Philippines. --- Black turtle beat me, o noes! |
I
wouldn't go so far as to say "No reason." It's not even certain
Charizard wins a rematch at this point. There's no telling what kind of
effect HG/SS and/or bandwagoning had on that match. I'm not saying Bowser can't win a rematch, or couldn't have won that match. Just that hierarchies are a horrible argument in general, and especially in that match. --- 90s games > 00s games |
I think hierarchies have their place, but we have to understand that they're not absolute. Oh, and there has to be some sort of connection for the hierarchy to make sense. (LOL XBox hierarchy) --- http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7760/222bj.jpg |
Ah, the Xbox hierarchy. Good times. --- Yoblazer: http://i33.tinypic.com/ml36gl_th.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
People
just automatically think that just because you're higher on the
hierarchy it means that you'll win, it just measures the potential for
SFF. As an example FFVII > FFX, but no one would take Aerith > Auron last year, yet Auron didn't SFF Aerith that much (or at all). --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest. |
Argh
hierarchies. There's no difference between a hierarchy and strength, so
it's a complete tautology. Except that some people think that some
intuitive hierarchy lets them predict which character is stronger. So the argument basically boils down to, I think this character is stronger because I think so. And in some cases (Bowser/Charizard, MC/Ryu), that's just not credible. --- 90s games > 00s games |
Well,
I think the main thing people don't realize about hierarchies is that
they don't necessarily stay in the same order all the time. Things can
shift the order. After all, I don't think anyone's going to argue that
Vincent will always beat Squall, no matter what, or anything of the
sort, just because he beat him once in 2005. And I think hierarchies are pretty strict anyway. I wouldn't really argue a hierarchy outside of individual games, like an FFVII hierarchy or something like that, or maybe a closely connected series like Mario where the cast stays relatively consistent from one game to the next. Even then, something like Vincent/Tifa is somewhat debatable. Plus, I don't think anyone questions Mario 3 was the top Mario game back in 2004, but I think a lot of people would side with Mario World or Mario 64 over Mario 3 nowadays. Although I wonder if there are any Nintendo-Nintendo and/or Square-Square matchups we've had in the past that we think would go the other way nowadays. --- http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7760/222bj.jpg |
Pikachu > Fox is a big one. Bowser/Yoshi/Luigi would contradict previous results --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest. |
I'm not sure about Bowser/Yoshi/Luigi. That trio still seems somewhat debatable. --- "Stay with me until the end. Please." "Not until the end. Always." |
Vincent/Crono has reversed itself twice now and could probably do so again. Sora already avenged himself and then some on Aeris, though Squall's presence in that poll and Sora looking bad last year make it debatable again. Yoshi winning a rematch with Missingno. sounds plausible to me. I'd take Captain Falcon > Wario. Maybe Riku > Frog. --- Black turtle beat me, o noes! |
UltimaterializerX posted... Hell we'd probably even see Epona > Goomba Bank on it! Speaking of generic enemies, I hope SB uses my most recently-sent poll about the generic enemies of video games; Goombas should probably be the favorite in such a poll, though if Octoroks get any representation then something like Chocobos may easily take it instead. Hopefully Metools and Headcrabs would do well in such a poll too. I also sent one about Capcom's villains, just because that may be fun too. Nemesis(/Wesker?), Dr. Wily, M. Bison, Vergil, Miles Edgeworth...not that they're a particularly strong group, but give us a poll that's just about their villains (and other Capcom-villains I've forgotten) and we'll get some interesting results. M. Bison was probably the strongest out of those who were in the Villain Contest (him/Nemesis/Wily/Vergil), but I don't know how much you want to trust that contest six years later. If RE's rep is Nemesis, we last saw him equal with Dr. Wily; if it's Wesker, can he legitimize what he did in the recent RE-poll by winning this poll? He nearly beat Ken last year anyway, so could M. Bison still stop him? Does spreading these weaker options thin give Miles a chance with PW's fanbase, especially since he's the only character here with his own game(s)? It could be fun. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
I'll also just repost this from my Epona-rally topic..... http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4317 Ganon's the site's #1 favorite Nintendo villain (thus ensuring only Sephiroth outdoes him as a villain here). Considering how often it was once suggested LoZ-fans wouldn't support Ganondorf against Bowser due to the LoZ-fanbase "not being THAT blind" (which is an unfair way to put it), this can't be bad for Epona. So, let's restack the evidence Epona's riding on for hope in a GameFAQs-contest... CHARACTERS: 1) Link is the site's biggest hero (and proved so six times before), thus Nintendo's biggest hero. 2) Ganondorf is Nintendo's biggest villain, thus GameFAQs's second biggest villain (Sephiroth's #1). He was also the Villain Contest's runner-up. 3) Zelda is Nintendo's second biggest woman, thus GameFAQs's #3 woman (Samus's #1, Tifa's #2). She was also the Female Bracket's runner-up. 4) Midna has advanced past the first round twice before, plus a vote-in. 5) Tingle has made two contests without board-support. WHY IT MATTERS: LoZ's big three have a lot of history with our contests, and Epona's got more face-time with players in the LoZ-series than anybody mentioned here not named Link. GAMES: 1) Loz:OoT is the site's biggest game, thus Nintendo's biggest game. 2) LoZ:MM is the site's biggest game of the past decade, thus Nintendo's biggest game of the past decade. 3) LoZ:TP is the site's biggest game from 2004-2006, thus Nintendo's biggest game from 2004-2006. You could arguably extend both of those to say 2002-2007 if you look outside of BGE2. WHY IT MATTERS: Epona's been an important figure in three of the site's biggest games. In fact, if you were to look at the period from 1998-2007, that's a decade of dominance only a select few games could overcome; RBY, FFX, SSBM, and maybe MGS would be the only games capable of preventing the series from owning the top three spots in such a time-frame. SERIES: 1) LoZ is the site's biggest series, thus Nintendo's biggest series. WHY IT MATTERS: ZELDAFEAR...the series matters to a lot of people, so Epona's got a good starting point. COMPANY: 1) Nintendo is the site's biggest company. WHY IT MATTERS: NINTENDOFAQS...while we've seen a lot of weak Nintendo characters, we've also seen a lot of strong ones. I think Nintendo has had both the most characters in our contests from one company and the most match-victories from one company -- ranging from humans (Link) to animals (Charizard) to items (Sandbag) to glitches (MissingNo) to jokes (Sandbag/MissingNo) -- so don't let the misconception that nobody cares about Nintendo's characters fool you. They care about a whole lot of them. ...watch out for Epona. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
I
submitted a favorite FF Villain poll... Garland, Golbez, Gilgamesh,
Kefka, Sephiroth, Seifer, Kuja and Seymour. Added in a few like
Gilgamesh and Seifer to see if they'd have any potential strength, even
if they aren't the "main" villains of those games --- http://myanimelist.net/animelist/RyanSaotome |
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4317®ion=USXWY good job wyoming --- Black turtle beat me, o noes! |
I
submitted a favorite FF Villain poll... Garland, Golbez, Gilgamesh,
Kefka, Sephiroth, Seifer, Kuja and Seymour. Added in a few like
Gilgamesh and Seifer to see if they'd have any potential strength, even
if they aren't the "main" villains of those games There has been an FF villain poll before, but finding the poll would be hard because "villain" is spelled incorrectly. Here is the poll: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1446 --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
Wow that's almost as bad as a potential Who's your favourite Zelda character poll. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest. |
From: FateStayAlbion | Posted: 4/24/2011 6:14:28 PM | #329 Why would you add the rival character instead of the main villain into a villain poll? You didn't put in the Turks or Ultros, yet you put in Seifer? --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://img.imgcake.com/wesker.gif |
Necron over Kuja but not Yu Yevon over Sin? |
I
hope SB opens your FF-villain poll up to a Square-villain poll, just so
we can get Lavos, Ansem, and anybody else fairly relevant in that
discussion in. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
Wow that's almost as bad as a potential Who's your favourite Zelda character poll. No doubt a Zelda character poll would end up in an SFF massacre. Although I think Zelda and Ganondorf should be able to manage at least 10% each in that poll. Link probably takes up like 70% of the vote, with a few weak scrubs like Tingle fighting for the remaining scraps. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
Ansem Relevant Pick one. http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=2002&num=2 Five hours. It took him five hours. --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://img.imgcake.com/wesker.gif |
Well I'd enjoy seeing Link with 75% against all the Zelda characters more than Sephiroth with 65% against the FF villains. --- 90s games > 00s games |
FFDragon posted... From: FateStayAlbion | Posted: 4/24/2011 6:14:28 PM | #329 I submitted a favorite FF Villain poll... Garland, Golbez, Gilgamesh, Kefka, Sephiroth, Seifer, Kuja and Seymour. Added in a few like Gilgamesh and Seifer to see if they'd have any potential strength, even if they aren't the "main" villains of those games Why would you add the rival character instead of the main villain into a villain poll? You didn't put in the Turks or Ultros, yet you put in Seifer? Well I do admit the main reason I submitted it was to see Seifer, and he can kinda be classified as a villain. I don't think we've ever had any kind of poll to see his strength in like a decade. --- http://myanimelist.net/animelist/RyanSaotome |
Not
sure how much Giovanni has been discussed, but this performance doesn't
seem impressive to me. Remember that Pokemon doesn't SFF as hard with
Nintendo as something like Metroid. If Giovanni can't even beat Ridley
here, he'd probably get beaten hard in a 1v1. There are still a whole
lot of really strong Pokemon (or heck, humans like Brock and Misty) to
get in before we settle for Giovanni. --- Yoblazer: http://i32.tinypic.com/zlf1w7.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Is
there a better KH-villain? I'm just saying, I'd rather see Ansem in a
Square-villain poll so we could kick out some trash like Emperor! --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
Xemnas! KHII is the stronger game after all |
Ansem is it unless we're counting the Disneys. --- Yoblazer: http://i33.tinypic.com/ml36gl_th.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Smithy for Square villain poll! He would beat Emperor! Probably! --- Black turtle beat me, o noes! |
If
we just opened up the poll to include RPG-villains by any company, how
much more would that open things up? Giovanni would do okay, Fawful
could at least beat the likes of Emperor (right?), Mithos probably
returns for ToS, Diablo could probably steal second place...would any
WRPG-villains be able to make a splash? Bioware and Bethesda have
become quite popular in recent years, so maybe? I'm also glad SMRPG's
Smithy was brought up, though that's already Square. It's not like Sephiroth wouldn't destroy such a poll anyway, but at least it wouldn't be such a SFF-fest. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
I think the point is we don't need KH villains. Well, unless you count Organization XIII members, but some of them are borderline. Axel is probably the strongest KH "villain," but he's not even necessarily villainous. --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
Arthas is a villain in World of Warcraft, right? --- Black turtle beat me, o noes! |
GameSpot says so, so he could go in such a poll too. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
Probably the most significant Bioware villain would be Darth Revan, and we already saw him flop. --- http://myanimelist.net/animelist/RyanSaotome |
I
thought it was a shame Magus wasn't in the Villains Contest back in
2005. Although he's fallen to such a joke level now that I probably
don't want to see him in a villains contest anymore. Probably still
takes 2nd place to Sephiroth in a Square villains poll though, and by a
good margin. --- 90s games > 00s games |
