GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 995
Yep,
the N64 has no shot against the SNES, but its range is 2-5 beyond that.
I could see it beating every other console or losing to both big
Playstations and the NES. All I know is this: if we ever have a console contest, there's no way in hell I bet against the SNES. --- Yoblazer: http://oi52.tinypic.com/ad21i1.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
The
good performances by Chrono Cross and The Legend of Dragoon from last
contest have me believing that the PlayStation would beat the N64
pretty handily, but then again it's not like there weren't certain N64
games that surpassed our expectations. In addition to Majora's Mask,
Paper Mario did vastly better this year somehow, and Perfect Dark also
improved. I can see N64 titles increasing in strength like this, while
most of the PlayStation's big names have nowhere to go but down,
especially since I hear a lot of people clamoring that a lot of the
PlayStation's big games have aged badly. So I suppose it's very
possible that the N64 might beat the PlayStation in a 1vs1 poll here.
Then again SmartVoterFAQs might rear its ugly end and vote the
PlayStation as being the better "console", even if it has the weaker
"software library". ...man, I've never finished a single game from the PS1 and it saddens me (I think I fooled around with someone else's copies of PaRappa The Rapper, Intelligent Qube, and Tomb Raider way back in the day. Never knew about MGS until Brawl, never knew about FF7 until a certain Discovery Channel documentary series, never knew about SotN until IGN's Top 100 Games list back in '07). I will be playing some games from the PS2 and PS3 in about half a year (plus the Wii ports of RE4 and Okami), but something is telling me to get to that PS1. FF7 is FF7, MGS is MGS, SotN really holds my attention seeing how Super Metroid gave me my best gaming memories of 2010, and FFT holds my attention since I like Civ4 so much. --- Next Playthrough - StarCraft Upcoming - Baldur's Gate II, Okami, Resident Evil 4 |
The
proof that it was the quality and volume of games, not the Playstation
brand, that made it successful is the Playstation 3 (especially the
first few years). If the Playstation brand was really that strong, it'd
have done better. The N64 got off to a fairly good start despite
Nintendo launching it with a total of 2 games. People have shown
themselves more than willing to switch from the PS2 to the Xbox 360 or
the Wii in the new generation; the quality of the particular system and
games is the important thing. --- 90s games > 00s games |
Well one of those 2 games was the best game ever and the father of modern gaming so it can hold its own weight. --- Next Playthrough - StarCraft Upcoming - Baldur's Gate II, Okami, Resident Evil 4 |
Any
system is about the games, I'm not sure what you're trying to say
there. The success of any console is determined by how appealing its
games are to the general public -- that's as true for Nintendo as it is
for Sony as it is for Microsoft. Nintendo had virtually no games,
carried no real weight with people, and that's why the GameCube ended
up being a mess almost from the start -- their flagship series was at
its weakest and it got outsold by a new competitor. All it takes is a
couple of missteps and you can go from being on top to the bottom
really quickly, it happened to Sega, happened to Nintendo, and it
happened to Sony. PS3 has made good strides as of late, though, and
it's mostly been an effort from Sony's own studios rather than third
parties. That they can rebound in the middle of a generation should
tell you that there's plenty of people who still like the brand. --- There are no foreign lands. It is the traveler only who is foreign. |
I'm using brand as the deadweight value of the name, in the absence of any product. --- 90s games > 00s games |
Yep. For that decade, from the release of the PS1 up through the PS3, "PlayStation" was a much bigger brand than "Nintendo." --- There are no foreign lands. It is the traveler only who is foreign. |
Well
it wasn't, so I guess there's not much more to say about it. I'm glad
to say the analysts who said so back then were dead wrong about
Nintendo though. --- 90s games > 00s games |
Yeah, I dunno. If you think Nintendo was a bigger brand in 2003 than PlayStation was, I'm not sure what else can really be said --- There are no foreign lands. It is the traveler only who is foreign. |
It's
fair to say that Playstation was bigger in Japan and Europe; N.A. was
closer. Regardless where you stand on that argument, however, the
Playstation brand built nowhere near the level of loyalty among
hardcore gamers that Nintendo did in the decade prior. Did you see how
quickly popular opinion turned against Sony? One expensive consoles and
some stupidass comments by Kutaragi, and the entire gaming community -
damn near everyone - wanted Sony dead. Nintendo would have to launch a
public World Domination Plan to receive such seething hate. Actually,
that still might not be enough. There's a lot of warmth for Nintendo
among hardcore gamers; a lot. --- Yoblazer: http://i32.tinypic.com/zlf1w7.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Nintendo
could set up a website where you donate money to Nintendo so Nintendo
shareholders can make more money, and I bet they'd get millions. --- 90s games > 00s games |
link plz --- Yoblazer: http://i33.tinypic.com/ml36gl_th.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Popular
opinion is a very easy thing to change. Nintendo could do no wrong just
a few years ago, but now they can do nothing right. If there is any
group of people who will flip their opinions based on a couple of
missteps, it's the gaming community. It only takes a few bad calls
before people turn against you; on the other hand, it also doesn't take
much to get them back in your corner. I wouldn't disagree that Nintendo
has more hardcore fans, but that didn't make it a stronger brand during
that time period. --- There are no foreign lands. It is the traveler only who is foreign. |
Also, Nintendo is a developer of popular games. You can't really be a fan of Sony or Microsoft except by liking their hardware. That doesn't generate much emotional support. |
I
think that Nintendo brand is stronger among the hardcore... there are
people who will buy a Nintendo system regardless of how bad the game
selection/gimmicks are for it. But Sony brand is larger overall, but
just not as hardcore. PS!/PS2 are two of the best selling systems of
all time, and many gamers connect games they threw up with those two
systems. PS1/PS2 sold 250 million, while all 5 consoles Nintendo have
are about that same amount. Plus, Nintendo really doesn't have the
amount of hardcore fans anymore to carry a system on their own.. we saw
that with Gamecube. Only with targeting a new audience was Nintendo
seriously able to get back into console domination. Obviously handhelds is different, Nintendo has all the brand name there, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. --- http://myanimelist.net/animelist/RyanSaotome |
You can't really be a fan of Sony or Microsoft except by liking their hardware. This isn't true. It is for Microsoft, maybe, but that's because Microsoft doesn't make many games for itself. Sony has a large number of studios and series that it owns -- Uncharted, God of War, Gran Turismo, Team ICO, LittleBigPlanet, Killzone, Twisted Metal, Ratchet & Clank -- that have made people fans of the company in the same way Nintendo has. Sony hasn't been doing it for as long, and I'm not going to argue that Uncharted and Mario carrying the same weight with people, but as far as having to like the hardware in order to like the company, not really the case here. Doesn't include some things like Metal Gear Solid, which have essentially been tied to Sony since the PS1, either. There's game-related reasons why people like these companies, outside of console warz. --- There are no foreign lands. It is the traveler only who is foreign. |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/25/2011 12:30:00 PM | message detail | quote Oh man, I didn't realize: check out how heavily North America is carrying that top option. It's almost ridiculous. Check out this map: http://www.gamefaqs.com/images/cb8/world_4287.png It's only the US, Mexico, and like 8 other small countries that are supporting the top option. The top option is losing to the third option in Canada, but the top option still has over 30% in Canada. North America is more than doubling Europe in the top option and Europe comes the closest to being like North America in this poll. About 20% of Asia doesn't even have a single Nintendo console, which is significant because it limits any of Nintendo's console games to a playrate of under 80%. Another 27% of Asia owns just one Nintendo console, so pretty much any Nintendo game would have a playrate of under 50%. So it appears the poor Nintendo console ownership in Asia is the contributing factor to the terrible playrate of games like OoT. --- Luster Soldier - Popular at school. ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ |
From: PartOfYourWorld | #310 Almost as quickly as popular opinion turned against Nintendo for their stupidity with the N64 and the GameCube. Sony this gen became what Nintendo was when they launched the N64: "It doesn't matter what we do, people will buy it." And then they realized, "whoops no they won't" --- Support Otacon (Metal Gear Solid) for Character Battle IX! http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/1950/banner4otacon.jpg |
PS3 still recovered from the bad launch, which is commendable. SNES probably wins that potential console contest going away, not too sold on the N64 being #2. --- ·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.· http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9846/ultifinished.png |
I'd
be surprised if the SNES lost such a contest. If the N64 beat the PS1
or PS2, then whoever wants to make a "LOL NintendoFAQs" will have free
reign to do so. OoT and Mario 64 does not a console make. Note: I hold the N64 in higher regard than most, but it shouldn't beat either of those consoles. --- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
Polls for the next 3 days: 3/26/2011 - I don't know. Should be an original poll idea. 3/27/2011 - I don't know. An original poll idea, but it should most likely be "Got 3DS?" 3/28/2011 - Which of the three current consoles do you now own? --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
Maybe one of those two will be my poll suggestion! Whoo --- Support Squirtle (Pokemon R/B/Y) for Character Battle IX! http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/8463/banner2squirtle.jpg |
The best way to test the power of name brand is to see what people not in the know call it. Consoles during the PS1/PS2 age were refered to as Playstations just like eveything before it was called a Nintendo and how handhelds are called Gameboys. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest. |
From: charmander6000 | #1603 Don't remember this. |
I
would expect both PS1 and PS2 to beat N64 here... N64 may have the more
popular games, but PS1 and PS2 just kill it so badly in total people
that had them, that I can't see N64 making up the difference. Not to mention PS1/PS2 also have far more variety of games that'll appeal to a broader scope of people than N64 did. --- http://myanimelist.net/animelist/RyanSaotome |
I've never heard people call video game consoles in general Playstations. --- 90s games > 00s games |
I've heard it used, but it's not very common. Calling everything in general "Nintendo" isn't that common anymore either though. Heck, I hear more non-"video game people" reference the XBox more than any other console nowadays. --- "Why must we always choose between certain death and probable death?" "I'm in an epic battle to the death, FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF!" |
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I have. Not as much today, but PlayStation was what video games were. --- There are no foreign lands. It is the traveler only who is foreign. |
Yeah, I'll back that up. "Xbox" is the most common thing I hear when people generalize games in America today. --- There are no foreign lands. It is the traveler only who is foreign. |
Maybe one of those two will be my poll suggestion! If your poll suggestion will be getting used in the next 2 days, it can only happen tomorrow. The 3DS will be released on 3/27/2011 and a "Got 3DS?" poll is almost 100% likely to happen that day. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
Oh
I love the N64 to death (favorite controller ever), but it > PS1 or
2 in a poll would be dumb as hell. It probably doesn't even deserve to
beat the NES or the upper handhelds. --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.· http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6941/touhoufanbase.png |
ATTN: red sox Chrono Trigger will be released on the Virtual Console a couple weeks from now. ...in Japan. But it should arrive in North America as well within the next few months. And MMX will be making its VC debut the week after, for those still interested in the X/2/3 debate. --- thengamer.com/guru thengamer.com/xstats board8.wikia.com You should search for The Show, the cool podcast featuring Guru Champ Black Turtle! |
Going on game strength..... PS1 vs. N64 1. OOT > FFVII 2. SM64 >> MGS 3. MM > FFVIII 4. GE >> FFIX (are there any other PS1 games stronger than FFIX? I feel like there should be but I can't think of any). PS2 vs. N64 1. OOT >>> FFX 2. SM64 >>> KH2 3. MM >> KH 4. GE >> MGS3 If this were a team tournament as in chess, the N64 wipes the floor with either Playstation system on the top 4 boards. The PS systems will dominate the lower boards as the N64 is very top heavy, and will actually run out of games to represent it while the PS systems still have hundreds left, but looking at the top 4 boards is pretty intimidating. The other thing is that I don't think it would really just go as the games would go. The N64 feels intuitively like it should be stronger than the sum of its games for some reason. I dunno if I'd actually take it to beat the PS1 or PS2 though. --- 90s games > 00s games |
Chrono
Trigger will be released on the Virtual Console a couple weeks from
now. ...in Japan. But it should arrive in North America as well within
the next few months. Yes! The Crono > Mario upset train is back on! --- 90s games > 00s games |
There's an X/2/3 debate? I kind of always assumed X > 2 > 3. --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.· The moon lights away while she's howling at it. |
MMX > The others don't matter This should be obvious. And again, this is more than just "Who's the best at the top?" here. There's more to a console debate than that. Not that we should ever see a console contest ever. Worst possible contest we could ever have (and that's including the Female Villains Contest!). --- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
A
console contest would be vastly better than a Female Villains Contest.
It would only last a couple weeks, and it'd give us a few fun matches.
A Female Villains Contest could produce a month of mind-numbingly
boring matches that would have us (not just Luster and me) begging for
soda polls by the end of it. I mean, I'd rather have a soda contest than a Female Villains Contest. Was it always a joke, or did whoever start it actually think of it as a serious contest idea back in 2005/6? --- 90s games > 00s games |
I
would take the PS2 to win a console bracket with ease. I would honestly
be surprised if the SNES made it a nailbiter. Most GameFAQers now came
of age after it was already done. And since I heard someone claim there could never be a good Console bracket!: 1) Playstation 2 8) Gameboy 4) Xbox 360 5) Playstation 3 3) Wii 6) Gamecube 2) NES 7) Dreamcast 1) Super Nintendo 8) Xbox 4) Genesis 5) DS 3) Nintendo 64 6) Playstation Portable 2) Playstation 7) Game Boy Advance --- "Ahem! There is *sand* on my *boot*!"--Kefka Black Turtle beat me, Yesmar in the Fall 2010 Guru Contest! |
From: red sox 777 | #338 Well, it was Wylvane's idea, if I recall correctly, so that's up to you to decide if he was being serious or not. From: LOLContests | #339 Oh hurray, I count...Potentially 3 good matches on there. Let's have this contest right now I can't wait --- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3040 Which generation was your very first game console? 7th: 360/PS3/Wii 0.51% 661 6th: Dreamcast/PS2/Xbox/GameCube 3.86% 4956 5th: N64/Saturn/PS1 15.49% 19895 4th: Turbo/Genesis/SNES 22.67% 29122 3rd: NES/SMS/7800 41.47% 53259 2nd: 2600/Intellivision/Colecovision 12.95% 16633 1st: Pong/Odyssey 2.58% 3314 I've never owned a video game console 0.47% 599 TOTAL VOTES 128439 This was 2 years ago, and since then, the median date of birth on this site has stayed roughly the same. The peak is actually the NES generation, and less than 20% started after the SNES/Genesis. Less than 5% started after the N64/PS1. --- 90s games > 00s games |
Granted,
20% of the site starting gaming after the SNES is a major handicap
against it- Chrono Trigger faces the same problem every year, with
younger voters putting up massive margins against it. It can only fight
back with smaller margins from a larger group of older voters. With
consoles, however, I think there's going to be some serious nostalgia
for whatever console you started with, which means things are looking
pretty good for the SNES. It gets around 50% of the vote against every
other Nintendo console ever made. SFF or not, I don't think the PS2 is
quite up to that. --- 90s games > 00s games |
It
depends on how people would vote. I mean, people think highly of the
SNES and PS2's libraries, but people also forget that there's also a
ton of crap on both consoles that rival the Wii's crap. I don't know, I'd probably take N64 to win it all. Yeah, it doesn't have as many big games as, say, the SNES, PS1, or PS2, but its big games are bigger than the other consoles' big games. I mean, the SNES's strongest game is essentially tied with the N64's second-strongest game. I think Nintendo fanboyism would be strong as always, yet this is a generation that grew up in the days of the N64/PS1 era. Plus the series that were huge on the Playstation consoles are starting to lose a bit of steam here. Then again, I have a bad habit of screwing up the winner. --- Wylvane Guru Contest Winner Black Turtle is a wonderful user. |
Well besides the SNES winning so massively in the favorite Nintendo console polls, there's this: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4277 SNES did pretty well there and it has a much stronger third-party library than the N64. Including the SNES actually having RPGs. I mean, this is still gamefaqs. Square stuff alone might enable it to beat the N64, Mega Man X, Street Fighter II, etc. just makes the gap wider. --- Black turtle beat me, o noes! |
Well besides the SNES winning so massively in the favorite Nintendo console polls, there's this: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4277 SNES did pretty well there and it has a much stronger third-party library than the N64. I wonder how that poll would turn out if none of the options listed some of the games on those consoles? I bet the simple mention of Ocarina of Time caused many users to vote for N64 and I predict N64 would have done worse if none of the options listed some of the games on those consoles. Considering that N64 managed to win that poll, you would have to imagine that it should be capable of finishing second place in a favorite Nintendo console poll. SNES probably wins a favorite Nintendo console poll, as it has RPGs (Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy IV and VI as notable RPGs) plus Mega Man and Mega Man X games to push the SNES over the N64. --- Luster Soldier - Popular at school. ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ |
Considering
the median age on GameFAQS being around 20 years old, I find it hard to
believe that over half the site had their first system be something
prior to the SNES. I know what the poll says, but people had to have
been counting the first time they ever touched a game system. Close to
half of the site was in diapers or not even born when the SNES came
out, and most of us were barely starting grade school by the time it
was finished. I might be an exception, since I didn't get a game system
until I was 10, but I can't trust those poll results, at least when
compared to the age one. --- "Ahem! There is *sand* on my *boot*!"--Kefka Black Turtle beat me, Yesmar in the Fall 2010 Guru Contest! |
For what it's worth, here are the top 10 video game consoles of all time according to IGN, assembled in 2008: 10) Wii 9) N64 8) DreamCast 7) PlayStation 6) Xbox 360 5) PS2 4) Genesis 3) SNES 2) 2600 1) NES All the same, here's Gametrailers' top 10 console/handheld list from a year prior (I think): 10) DreamCast 9) 2600 8) Game Boy 7) N64 6) Genesis 5) GBA 4) PS2 3) NES 2) SNES 1) PlayStation Both obviously took impact into account quite heavily, something which I doubt GameFAQs would do as much (then again, SMARTVOTERS!!!). In all honesty I think the PlayStation would be about as strong here as IGN puts it: Metal Gear Solid and the JRPG army are stronger, but everything else is weaker, perhaps ESPECIALLY weaker (remember, Symphony of the Night made the top 20 in all three of IGN's Best Game Ever lists, and let's not even get into Gran Turismo and such). Meanwhile, IGN doesn't seem to care for GoldenEye that much, and the same is likely true for Paper Mario. Perfect Dark and Banjo-Kazooie/Tooie are probably around where they would be on IGN in terms of GameFAQs contest strength, and Conker may actually be quite a few notches behind. So there's reason to assume that the N64 would be a little stronger to the point that it could beat the PlayStation. I have to wonder how IGN would make their list today. All three of IGN's #1 picks for the major current-gen systems (ME2, UC2, SMG2) weren't out when they made their original list, implying that the consoles have only gotten better. --- Next Playthrough - StarCraft Upcoming - Baldur's Gate II, Okami, Resident Evil 4 |
All
of this talk about strongest systems... was there a Systems contest
announced or something? Or is this just speculation to hold everyone
over during the offseason? --- http://myanimelist.net/animelist/RyanSaotome |
Don't
forget people on this site have brothers too. My brother would have
been too young to play the N64 if he was the first born, but he got the
chance to play one. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest. |
Speculation fueled by yesterday's poll. --- Black turtle beat me, o noes! |
