GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 995
Rerunning 2003.....I think we get Link > Snake in the finals. I don't really want to see Cloud > Link ruined. --- 90s games > 00s games |
I
hate to sound weird, but if we re-run 2003 I think Mario beats Snake
because of momentum. He'll be the one people are bandwagoning due to
beating the ALWAYS WINS Sephiroth. Edit: Yes, I am meta-gaming a popularity contest. --- http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/zukiraphaera/war-sig-1.png "SEXTON HILLBEAST" - TimJab |
Except
Mario won't beat Sephiroth, so Snake will still be getting the
bandwagon. Mario isn't turning around 62-38 in 2003, or 56-44 in 2005,
or whatever he got in 2007. But for lots of fun, I suggest we bandwagon Link. After all, he did lose this contest....... --- 90s games > 00s games |
Just
like how Snake can't turn around a 57-43 due to trailers?
Mario/Samus/Snake can all beat Sephiroth because Sephiroth nowadays is
far, far weaker than Sephiroth in past years. For reference, Sephiroth was expected to almost double Tifa in 2005. Obviously Tifa's gotten stronger, but Kingdom Hearts-reliant characters took a nosedive last contest, and guess who benefited from Kingdom Hearts a lot? Hint: It's the guy who gained like 27k votes on Mega Man between 2002 and 2003. I'll take Samus/Mario/Snake over Sephiroth without a second thought. I think those three are pretty much equal, but Sephiroth's only getting older, only getting farther from his Kingdom Hearts boost, and I flat-out don't trust the guy in a close match, because 'close match' going in doesn't factor in that Seph's going to start at a big minus due to anti-votes. Edit: We need a contest. Let's put the bottom 8 from each contest in a bracket. Except Gordon if he's actually bottom 8 in 2002. Replace him with uhh.....AKI Man. --- http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/zukiraphaera/war-sig-1.png "SEXTON HILLBEAST" - TimJab |
I'd
put Snake around 52% on Sephiroth based on last contest, and Samus
about equal to Sephiroth. Mario would come in a couple percentage
points below that, perhaps 48%. I'd take Samus to beat Sephiroth if it
came down to it and be fairly comfortable. I don't think Mario is quite
on par with Snake and Samus. --- 90s games > 00s games |
What's
funny in all this is that Mario could beat Snake and Samus then proceed
to lose to Sephiroth and it would be perfectly logical. --- http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/zukiraphaera/war-sig-1.png "SEXTON HILLBEAST" - TimJab |
Halo
was the main reason to have an Xbox. Online didn't really hit the
system until late 2004 when Halo 2 was released (maybe a little
before)...and the 360 was released in 2005. How many Xbox-games in this
period got a lot of respect for online-play besides Halo 2? Hmm, did you own an Xbox / keep up with gaming at all in 2002/2003? --- Donny: Are they gonna hurt us, Walter? Walter: No, Donny. These men are cowards. |
What's
funny in all this is that Mario could beat Snake and Samus then proceed
to lose to Sephiroth and it would be perfectly logical. Ulti would have a field day with proclamations about the obviousness of Brawl SFF. --- 90s games > 00s games |
neonreaper posted... Hmm, did you own an Xbox / keep up with gaming at all in 2002/2003? Yes and yes. Still, it took until Halo 2 for Xbox Live to eventually snowball into today's behemoth, and a year later the 360 was released...so online wasn't THAT big for the Xbox. I understand that there was online before Halo 2, but Halo 2 was the first game to help that feature really explode. I don't see another Xbox-game with online-capability to make Game Of The Decade either, so -- while there may have been other games (like Splinter Cell) with some success -- I don't see much of an argument. Xbox was about Halo since day one, first and foremost, and it took Halo 2's name-power to make Xbox Live a must-have for many gamers a year or two after Xbox Live's initial release. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
From: paulg235 | #365 I have to wait to see if we're getting games or characters or what. --- Game of the Decade? More like Guru of the Decade mirite? |
"Have
to wait" is incorrect, BT. Dr. Football picked one from each category
early; he even had a small tourney for his character-choice. In fact,
people usually picked early until we started scaring ourselves about
what kind of contest would be next. If you know who/what you'd pick for certain types of contests by now, go ahead and share! --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
Except
Mario won't beat Sephiroth, so Snake will still be getting the
bandwagon. Mario isn't turning around 62-38 in 2003, or 56-44 in 2005,
or whatever he got in 2007. I have very high confidence in Mario beating Sephiroth. Remember that Samus got about 47% on Cloud, which should translate to about 49% or better on Sephiroth (though Samus loses to Sephiroth as well). Mario probably gets about 53% on Samus without SFF, which is enough for Mario to beat Sephiroth. --- Luster Soldier - Popular at school. ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ |
If
Mario improved 6% on Sephiroth in two years despite Sephiroth getting
Advent children, I'm not sure why he couldn't finish closing the gap
considering what Sephiroth did last contest. I mean, Missingno. broke 47%. Do we really think a rally and bandwagon alone got him all the way to Mario and Samus's level of strength, which is what them getting 48% or whatever on Sephiroth would imply? --- Black turtle beat me, o noes! |
Heh...52.88% on Missingno or 53.59% on Charizard? All sorts of things wrong there, I know. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
I
mean, Missingno. broke 47%. Do we really think a rally and bandwagon
alone got him all the way to Mario and Samus's level of strength, which
is what them getting 48% or whatever on Sephiroth would imply? Yes. But Samus > Mario indirectly. And it's much harder to bandwagon against Mario/Samus than against Sephiroth. --- 90s games > 00s games |
I never understood why people thought Samus > Mario indirectly like it's a forgone conclusion. It's possible, but I doubt it's even the consensus here. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest. |
Yes. But Samus > Mario indirectly. And it's much harder to bandwagon against Mario/Samus than against Sephiroth. I'm not still not a believer in the idea that Samus is indirectly stronger than Mario. Yes, Samus has had a history of doing better than Mario against someone that both of them have both faced (like Samus doing better against Link than Mario did), but Mario still has that one match where he got almost 60% on her. There's definitely SFF involved, but I figure Mario to be around 53% before all the SFF. How Samus did better against Link than Mario did despite Samus getting crushed by Mario is some sort of anomaly that seems to have no known explanation for it. --- Luster Soldier - Popular at school. ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ |
Samus
might just be more prone to SFF at the hands of Mario characters than
at the hands of Zelda characters. Heck, Samus even goes around SFFing
Zelda characters nowadays. I'd still pick Mario to beat Samus (for the record the only reasons why I'd vote for Mario over Samus is because Mario means more to the industry and the average Mario game is better than the average Metroid game, aka SMARTVOTERFAQS), but Samus > Mario isn't all that unimaginable, even directly. Samus is more of a GameFAQs-oriented character than Mario is, and the GotD stats suggest that Metroid Prime would wipe the floor with anything Mario has put out from 2000 onwards. --- Next Playthrough - StarCraft Upcoming - Baldur's Gate II, Okami, Resident Evil 4 |
I never understood why people thought Samus > Mario indirectly like it's a forgone conclusion. It's possible, but I doubt it's even the consensus here. All the statistical evidence points to Mario being at best Samus's equal, and at worst, a few percentage points below her indirectly. It's a long argument to make and I feel like we've gone through it several times already, so nobody's going to change their mind at this point probably without a new contest. --- 90s games > 00s games |
From: charmander6000 | #466 I never understood why people thought Samus > Mario period. --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.· http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4135/4800530565_4448b3feec.jpg |
There's definitely SFF involved, but I figure Mario to be around 53% before all the SFF. Do you realize how close this puts Mario to Link? Samus was at 43%+ on Link last year; giving Mario 53% on her puts him at 46% on Link. Meanwhile, Mario scored 35% on Link directly, worse that he's done before. So the Link/Mario strength gap was reduced to less than half, almost to a third of what is used to be, but Link's SFF powers tripled or something to make up for it? No. --- 90s games > 00s games |
I never understood why people thought Samus > Mario period. I picked Mario over Samus directly. --- 90s games > 00s games |
Do you realize how close this puts Mario to Link? I don't know. I haven't bothered to do the x-stat calculations to see how close it would put Mario to Link. The 53% was just a guess. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
Mario hasn't exactly had a chance to prove himself either way. It's been mostly SFF matches and Big Boss since 2006. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest. |
http://www.ign.com/face-off/pokemon Apparently, IGN is doing Poke-duels to determine the top 100 Pokemon. It could give us a half-decent idea of a Pokemon hierarchy. --- "Why must we always choose between certain death and probable death?" "I'm in an epic battle to the death, FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF!" |
In
most of our contests so far, Mario always seems to get stuck facing
Link. Bacon really needs to avoid setting up a bracket that would cause
Mario and Link to meet up with each other. He should set up the bracket
so the semifinals look like this: Link Sephiroth Mario Cloud That's good for Link because it gives him a chance to face Sephiroth for the first time since 2005 (not counting 2006 and 2007 because they were both 4-way matches). It also gives Mario another shot at Cloud for the first time since 2002. Someone should try to talk Bacon into not putting Mario and Link up against each other in the semifinals. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
Link Sonic Sephiroth Samus Cloud Megaman Snake Mario (Crono) That's the set-up I would favor for the next contest. --- 90s games > 00s games |
-LusterSoldier- | Posted 4/1/2011 12:38:45 AM | message detail | quote Interesting, when I voted, I saw this on the poll results page: See other results for this poll: 4/1/03 3/30/05 4/5/06 3/31/07 3/31/08 3/31/10 4/2/11 Now the "4/2/11" has disappeared, which means there will not be a second "Which scheduled April release are you most looking forward to?" poll tomorrow. Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 4/1/2011 12:41:48 AM | message detail | quote SBAllen may have only temporarily taken that poll down so we may still get that poll tommorow. Alternatively, he may have changed it so you can only see other polls if they are older than the current date. Looks like he didn't take the poll down. He actually changed the wording of the question, which is why the "4/2/11" disappeared from the poll results page of yesterday's poll. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
Going
through the Poke-face-off, I was surprised that the results were far
less RBY-leaning than I had thought. Yeah, heavy hitters like Charizard
and Blastoise were strong, but being from RBY is no guarantee of an
auto-win. --- http://www.ponychan.net/chan/pic/src/130108798719.gif |
Well
I've been keeping track of the results of matches between heavy
hitters. As expected it seems a vote for any Pokemon just adds into a
giant pot thus making it very easy to make x-stats. Note I probably
didn't get all of the heavy hitters as they never showed up for the 30
min. I've been refreshing (I wanted to see Charmander and Pikachu...) Note these are rough numbers Charizard - 50 Mewtwo - 49 Blastoise - 48 Lugia - 47 Dragonite - 46 Mew - 46 Rayquaza - 44 Tyranitar - 44 Zekrom - 44 Articuno - 44 Ho-Oh - 44 Venusaur - 44 Groundon - 43 Feraligatr - 43 Salamence - 42 Moltres - 42 Squirtle - 42 Arceus - 41 Empoleon - 40 Also Charmeleon got 48% on Articuno and Tyranitar so you can imagine where Charmander would be. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest. |
That's the set-up I would favor for the next contest. Link > Sonic two years in a row? --- Black turtle beat me, o noes! |
Only if Sonic gets through at least 2 real near-elites first (Vincent/Squall/Tifa/Auron/Charizard) --- 90s games > 00s games |
If you're going to put Sonic in a division with near elites, Crono and Mega Man should be there with him. --- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
Scizor (or however you spell it) has 44% on Charizard as well. --- http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2369/mythbattlers.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/Sensui22/1248835958206.png |
The
pack of games in today's poll is pretty weak. I mean, you only have 3
games above 10% and the other 7 are all under 4%. It doesn't seem like
Portal 2 is looking dominant here considering how weak the bottom 7
would be. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
Mega
Man X is probably a near-elite at this point too (especially if we're
already throwing that around concerning Charizard), though I wouldn't
especially want him to be thrown to Link two years in a row, either. --- Black turtle beat me, o noes! |
If you're recording x-stats for the higher up mons. Arcanine 51 on Tyranitar. Zapdos 50 on Articuno Scizor 44 on Charizard Raikou 45 on Mewtwo Gyrados 50 on Rayquaza Celebi 44 on Zapdos Typhlosion 47 on Lugia Jolteon 46 on Lugia, 49 on T-Tar Deoxys 44 on Dragonite Cyndaquil 43 on Dragonite Espeon 40 on Mewtwo Milotic 45 on Dragonite Ho-Oh 45 on Mewtwo Kadabra 46 on Zapdos + T-Tar Giratina 48 on Articuno Aggron 42 on Blastoise Blaziken 43 on Blastoise Flygon 45 on Gyrados Flareon 40 on Blastoise Darkrai 42 on Blastoise Kabutops 47 on Zapdos Umbreon 45 on Dragonite Starmie 48 on Flygon Pidgeot 41 on Charizard Absol 45 on Zapdos Tier down probably Braviary 42 on Dragonite Electivire 39 on Charizard Gastly 41 on Articuno Grotle 37 on Dragonite Ursaring 37 on Dragonite Machamp 42 on Dragonite Onix 39 on Dragonite Luxray 44 on Zapdos Nidoqueen 37 on Charizard but 38 on Mewtwo (Mewtwo/Chari showed as 50/50 for me) Magmortar 40 on Rayquaza Pichu 38 on Ho-Oh Meganium 40 on T-Tar Kanghaskhan 38 on Mewtwo Rapidash 38 on Charizard Kingler 38 on Dragonite Rhyperion 44 on Zapdos Leafeon 39 on Mew Ampharos 39 on Mew Volcarono 39 on Articuno Victini 37 on Lugia Zorua 38 on Lugia Magmar 37 on Mewtwo Staryu 36 on T-Tar Machoke 38 on T-Tar Hitmonlee 48 on Cyndaquil Gliscor 38 on Rayquaza Useless for now but maybe of use later Heracross 46 on Garchomp Raichu 71 on Meditite Alakazam 53 on Pikachu (I'm sure I had Alakazam really high against a top tier but can't get it to repeat now when it was repeating tons before) Mudkip 45 on Torterra And gdi, skipped Mudkip against Rayquaza by mistake. Disappointed Gengar never showed up. --- Crucifying my Oracle average one match at a time |
Final Fantasy IV > Portal CONFRIMED |
If you're going to put Sonic in a division with near elites, Crono and Mega Man should be there with him. Crono and Megaman get their own near-elites too....there's plenty of them to go around. Most people here would probably like to see Crono vs. Megaman, but if we had that, we'd either have to schedule it too early in the contest for my liking, or we'd have to cancel Mario/Crono, or we'd have to move Cloud to Link's half of the bracket to keep Mario/Snake set up. --- 90s games > 00s games |
Yeah,
MMX is strong. I don't know why I keep forgetting about him; I think
I'm still stuck in the past under CJayC's rule when he and Megaman were
the same character for contests. --- 90s games > 00s games |
MMX
shouldn't be allowed anyway. If he's allowed in then, Toon Link should
be as well. He is explicitly a different Link after all. --- "Ahem! There is *sand* on my *boot*!"--Kefka Black Turtle beat me, Yesmar in the Fall 2010 Guru Contest! |
Well
very few Zelda games star the same Link. Going by Gametrailers' theory
of the Zelda series the same Link is the hero of the NES games, the N64
games, and Link's Awakening (and possibly Four Swords Adventures), but
who knows or cares by this point? This was GT's theory of the Zelda chronology (note that this was before Twilight Princess came out): Minish Cap -> Ocarina of Time -> Split Timelines: Young Link's Hyrule and Adult Link's Hyrule Young Link's Hyrule: Majora's Mask -> Link's Awakening -> Zelda 1 -> Zelda 2 -> Four Swords Adventures -> A Link to the Past -> Oracle Series Adult Link's Hyrule: The Wind Waker -> Phantom Hourglass -> Oracle Series Twilight Princess likely takes place between Ocarina of Time and The Wind Waker. --- Currently Playing - StarCraft Upcoming - Baldur's Gate II, Okami, Resident Evil 4 |
One
thing we can take from that Pokemon contest is that voters don't seem
to really create a big difference between the top tier Pokemon and high
tier Pokemon. Mega Man X should be allowed, the guy is pretty different. It's just that Capcom never took the Mega Man name out from the title (the main character is named X afterall). It'd be like if Wario Land stayed Super Mario Land. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest. |
Crono > LTTP Link > OOT/MM Link > Serge > WW Link > Cloud > a number of characters > TP Link --- 90s games > 00s games |
Toon
Link doesn't really qualify as a separate character I think, but Wind
Waker Link does. You could use those terms to refer to the same
character (the Link in Wind Waker), but Toon Link could just refer to
Link rendered in cartoon graphics. Though if we consider the different
Links to be reincarnations of Link, they'd all be the same character. --- 90s games > 00s games |
From: red sox 777 | #494 hahaha Toon Link murdered that series and that company. Nintendo seriously went "Wait, we don't actually have to try anymore?" after making Wind Waker. Awful awful awful game in every way. Serge > hahaha Serge is so bad. If you want a "player is the protagonist" character done right, go play Metal Gear Solid 2. Missingno > Crono LOL --- Could this be the end? Is this the way I die? Sitting here alone, no one by my side? |
Hey, we're getting ADULT TOON LINK SOON! INNOVATION! --- "Ulti is kinda like the sun. Just like how the Earth revolves around the sun, Board 8 seems to revolve around Ulti." -Zylo |
From: red sox 777 | #495 I guess, but does it really matter? --- ·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.· http://i45.tinypic.com/2jdhsno.gif |
From: LOLContests | #491 LOL Contests more like LOL Yesmar, MMX/MM is a way different case than all the Links. --- FastFalcon punched all of our brackets. |
Play EarthBound. --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.· It's the fear that tears me down. |
