GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 994
SM64
is a stronger game on the same system as Goldeneye, and GE got 39.25%
against it. GE also thrashed another Nintendo multiplayer-favorite
before, though Mario Kart 64 is no SSBM/B here. Throw in the
Wii-remake, and I doubt SSBM/B take any special advantage over GE
SFF-wise. It shouldn't really be close or anything though. GE wouldn't
get smashed like Halo or CoD4 was. I also don't trust the FF7/GE/SMRPG/MK64 match; there's so much room for error there. GE/MK64 fighting over N64's multiplayer-love, two Mario spin-offs sharing a match, SMRPG/FF7 sharing Square's developmental powers, two N64-games against a SNES-game, three games largely associated with Nintendo against a Square/PS1-game...there's a lot not to take at face value. It's worth noting the Paper Mario games looked well this past contest...so SMRPG could still be legit. I agree CT was a terrible opponent anyway. --- Nominate E P O N A. http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg |
Oh, I think Mario RPG's legit. Just not 45%+ on TP legit. --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" |
Well, really, that'd be like...45% on Brawl legit. --- Support Barret Wallace (Final Fantasy VII) for Character Battle IX! http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3834/banner1barret.jpg |
45% on Brawl, or 40% on LTTP. That's.....probably pretty close to FFVI, which is right where I'd expect SMRPG to come in. --- 90s games > 00s games |
Mario RPG equal to FFVI? I know FFVI has lost steam since the first Games Contest, but still. I'd be surprised if Mario RPG hadn't as well. --- "The great GF...Bahamut." "...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..." |
It
was at 40% or so on SMW in 2004, and that was with CT dealing out SFF.
So it was probably substantially above 40% on SMW then, maybe 45% or
so. If it's at 45% on SMW now, or a bit below that, that'd put it in
the same area as FFVI. --- 90s games > 00s games |
Well the thing is FFVI hasn't so much lost steam as driven off 3 cliffs. --- 90s games > 00s games |
yayyyyyyyyyyyy --- Crush, kill, destroy and win the teddy bear. - Typical arcaderies these days. |
What we assume was SFF, anyway. And we have no idea of telling how much SFF that was since we have no other 1-on-1 data with Mario RPG. --- http://i43.tinypic.com/dgwh0.gif http://www.majhost.com/gallery/atukam/OHWD/snownd.gif |
From: red sox 777 | #407 But nearly all older games are going that route. FFVI's drop has been more precipitous than others, sure, but it's just natural for games to get weaker as they get older. Of course, Mario RPG has the advantage of being at the tail end of the SNES's lifespan, but nevertheless. --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" |
Yeah,
that's why it's so hard to place SMRPG. But there's no more reason to
assume bad things than good things about it, and I can't really think
of a worse opponent for SMRPG than CT (maybe OOT), so if it didn't
suffer much SFF there, that would likely mean it would never suffer
much SFF. --- 90s games > 00s games |
From: red sox 777 | #411 Mario World, I'd say. Maybe Mario 64, too, since it was released fairly close to it, near the end of the SNES and shortly before the launch of the N64. RPG or not, it's popular because it's a Mario game. But regardless, Mario RPG held up well to GoldenEye in round 1 despite the presence of DKC2 and in round 2 despite the presence of MK64 (which could've canceled out with GoldenEye, admittedly) and FFVII (which is probably a pretty shaky area to call for SFF). --- Support Squirtle (Pokemon R/B/Y) for Character Battle IX! http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/8463/banner2squirtle.jpg |
But
nearly all older games are going that route. FFVI's drop has been more
precipitous than others, sure, but it's just natural for games to get
weaker as they get older. Of course, Mario RPG has the advantage of being at the tail end of the SNES's lifespan, but nevertheless. Mario RPG has the advantage of being a Mario game. The older Nintendo games seem to still be doing okay. Of course Mario RPG isn't really Nintendo, and it was made by Square, so it's hard to say. Trendswise Mario RPG looks like a Nintendo game, and does not look like a Square game. But the match that really made me think highly of Goldeneye and Mario RPG was the round 2 match in 2009 with FFVII. Just an amazing performance for the Nintendo/pseudo-Nintendo games there. --- 90s games > 00s games |
I
thought SMRPG was some sort of ASV king for whatever reason. Is it? And
if it really did tap into the Square fanbase a bit, wouldn't it make
sense for, y'know, SMRPG to have a slightly better night vote than what
you'd usually expect from a Nintendo game? (this discussion about SMRPG is so ironic considering that I've marked it for a possible playthrough once I'm done with the Baldur's Gate series, although at this point Paper Mario looks more likely. Still, if we're still into discussing SMRPG's strength at that time...) The (lol) 2009 stats' placement of SMRPG and some more games: 13) Super Mario Bros. 3 14) Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal 15) Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots 16) Kingdom Hearts 17) Resident Evil 4 18) Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater 19) Kingdom Hearts II 20) GoldenEye 007 21) Final Fantasy VIII 22) Super Mario Bros. 23) Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars 24) The Legend of Zelda 25) Final Fantasy VI 26) Mario Kart 64 27) Final Fantasy IX 28) Half-Life 2 29) The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion 30) Fallout 3 31) Final Fantasy XII 32) Tales of Symphonia 33) God of War --- Currently Playing - Civilization IV Next Games Up - Baldur's Gate, Baldur's Gate II |
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3199 For whatever it's worth! --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
That would make GoldenEye a match for LTTP...! --- Support Barret Wallace (Final Fantasy VII) for Character Battle IX! http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3834/banner1barret.jpg |
Something
makes me think that something weird happened with CT/FFVI in Round 3
back in 2004. Both of them in retrospect look like they had huge
overperformances. SMW looked way better in comparison to how it looked
in 2004, and FFVI looked way worse as well. --- "Ahem! There is *sand* on my *boot*!"--Kefka Black Turtle beat me, Yesmar in the Fall 2010 Guru Contest! |
The
Earthbound/Yoshi's Island silliness has basically told us not to trust
those polls, but regardless...dear god look at how terrible Perfect
Dark's performance is there. Getting its face kicked in by Smash and
struggling with Donkey Kong 64...and you're telling me that this piece
of garbage (uhm, sorry Ngamer?) has made all three of our games
contests, and even managed to outseed stuff like God of War, Kingdom
Hearts 2, and Metal Gear Solid 2 in our latest one? For shame,
nominators, for SHAME. And Mario Golf...as if to confirm what we already knew about sports games sucking ass on GameFAQs. P.S.: Where would you peg Super Smash Bros. to be in regards to GameFAQs Contest Strength? Hmmm... SSB64 vs. MGS3 who've you got? (dear lord, imagine how the ASV would go there) EDIT: LOLContests, I can't think of anything else aside from "Old Square has fallen off a cliff since then". Character contests support that notion, too. --- Currently Playing - Civilization IV Next Games Up - Baldur's Gate, Baldur's Gate II |
From: LinkMarioSamus | #418 You...might want to look at first place again. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
Yeah, GoldenEye is Perfect Dark's worst nightmare when it comes to SFF. --- http://i43.tinypic.com/dgwh0.gif http://www.majhost.com/gallery/atukam/OHWD/snownd.gif |
Well,
you guys sure are right, and it really says something about GoldenEye's
strength if it was doing so well with Perfect Dark there. Then again,
same-console SFF likely riddles that whole poll. I suppose Perfect Dark was a decent low midcarder last contest, though only if you want to assume Mario Galaxy is a high midcarder (which it likely isn't). Also random question: How much do you think FFX SFFd FFIX? I doubt there was SFF there at all in all honesty, seeing how the Halo/KOTOR ratio has barely changed in the stats and none of the other games in that half division (e.g. Civ4, THPS2) look like they could be any WEAKER (since I think we're all going off the assumption that MM's two upsets of FFX and SSBB were legit). --- Currently Playing - Civilization IV Next Games Up - Baldur's Gate, Baldur's Gate II |
Not sure how SMG's performance ties in with PD's, but why can't SMG be a high midcarder? --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest. |
SMG is below RE5 in the stats, that's why! Random Claim of Mine: Mass Effect 2 would beat Fallout 3 in a contest match. --- Currently Playing - Civilization IV Next Games Up - Baldur's Gate, Baldur's Gate II |
You mean the RE5 that's behind Fallout 3's 47% on Brawl? SMG got 38% on TP. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest. |
I
asked someone a while back whether or not we can consider GTAIII and
Halo high midcarders and he said no. Those two games are ahead of SMG
in the stats. Personally as of now I'd prefer to assume that Fallout 3 didn't overperform on Brawl to make Metroid Prime and Half-Life 2 look better. --- Currently Playing - Civilization IV Next Games Up - Baldur's Gate, Baldur's Gate II |
If the stats have SMG losing to Halo and GTA3, then they're wrong. --- 90s games > 00s games |
Well
either the stats are right and you have to include them as high
midcarders (just look at their percent against the winner, no one can
deny that those stats are high midcarder level) or the stats are wrong. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest. |
From: red sox 777 | #426 hey there fallout 3's 45% on brawl --- http://img.imgcake.com/leonpngpe.png http://img.imgcake.com/squalloweenpngem.png |
The '10 stats: 20) The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion 21) Tales of Symphonia 22) Grand Theft Auto III 23) Diablo II 24) Batman: Arkham Asylum 25) Final Fantasy IX 26) Okami 27) Resident Evil 5 28) Paper Mario (hell yeah!) 29) Halo: Combat Evolved 30) Super Mario Galaxy 31) BioShock 32) Mass Effect 33) Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 34) Golden Sun 35) Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door 36) Assassin's Creed II 37) Uncharted 2: Among Thieves 38) Chrono Cross 39) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas 40) Mega Man 9 So...how many of the games I mentioned would we take over Galaxy? --- Currently Playing - Civilization IV Next Games Up - Baldur's Gate, Baldur's Gate II |
So...how many of the games I mentioned would we take over Galaxy? Personally I would only take Final Fantasy IX, though others do have a chance. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest. |
Well ToS is on KH's level according to these stats so have fun with that! Ironically enough Galaxy was ahead of Paper Mario in the '09 stats. Otherwise, however, Galaxy is ahead of ten games which it was behind in those stats, which are: Final Fantasy XII (#31 in '09, #42 in '10) World of Warcraft (#37 in '09, #55 in '10) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (#40 in '09, #39 in '10) Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (#44 in '09, #54 in '10) Halo 2 (#47 in '09, #59 in '10) Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (#48 in '09, #52 in '10) Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (#50 in '09, #33 in '10) Grand Theft Auto IV (#52 in '09, #65 in '10) BioShock (#54 in '09, #31 in '10) Halo 3 (#58 in '09, #44 in '10) Man just look how precipitous some of those drops are. --- Currently Playing - Civilization IV Next Games Up - Baldur's Gate, Baldur's Gate II |
If
Mario Galaxy should be quite a bit stronger than Mario Sunshine, Mario
Sunshine could get 47.5% on Halo 3, and Halo:CE's 57% on Halo 3
includes a good deal of SFF, then it's not hard to see how Galaxy
probably beats Halo 1 regardless of what the x-stats say. --- Black turtle beat me, o noes! |
Also
the only real reason why Fallout 3's overperformance can be called an
overperformance is because it messes up the stats. Otherwise, the
trends are weird, but for all the wrong reasons, since Fallout 3, to my
knowledge, did not exhibit bandwagon trends. It actually lost the board
vote (which tells you how little the board cares for WRPGs), then made
a huge overnight "comeback" before falling ONE percent from the end of
the first night vote to the end of the match. Fallout 3 is a
day-trended game, no? This isn't even Link vs. Magus or StarCraft vs. Melee. Fallout 3 did not have board support and did not have bandwagon trends. Maybe it had diluted bandwagon trends? Even so, I hesitate to think that Fallout 3 and its quarter of the bracket are so overrated in the stats since, well, there clearly weren't bandwagon trends there. But yeah, the stats have Sunshine breaking 40% on Galaxy, lol, although I suppose that could be accurate if enough Wii haters vote for Sunshine. Then again this board largely hates the Wii but largely likes Galaxy, while the exact opposite is true for the GameCube and Sunshine, so it could be the same way at GameFAQs. But I must all waste your time with one story. The story of Halo 2's fall from grace (and maybe some other games too)! '09 stats: 37) World of Warcraft 38) The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening 39) Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty 40) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas 41) Final Fantasy IV 42) StarCraft 43) Diablo II 44) Grand Theft Auto: Vice City 45) Resident Evil 2 46) Halo: Combat Evolved 47) Halo 2 48) Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 49) Portal 50) Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 51) Metroid Prime 52) Grand Theft Auto IV 53) Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 54) BioShock 55) Grand Theft Auto III 56) Shadow of the Colossus 57) Okami 58) Halo 3 59) Mega Man X 60) Resident Evil 61) Half-Life 62) Sonic the Hedgehog 63) Mega Man 3 64) Super Mario Galaxy 65) Super Metroid 66) Super Mario Kart 67) Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island 68) Star Fox 64 But in 2010: 44) Halo 3 45) Marvel vs. Capcom 2 46) Street Fighter IV 47) Assassin's Creed 48) Team Fortress 2 49) Fable 50) Sonic Adventure 2 51) Demon's Souls 52) Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 53) New Super Mario Bros. Wii 54) Grand Theft Auto: Vice City 55) World of Warcraft 56) Borderlands 57) Dragon Age: Origins 58) Super Mario Sunshine 59) Halo 2 60) Devil May Cry 61) LittleBigPlanet 62) Soulcalibur II 63) Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald 64) The Legend of Dragoon 65) Grand Theft Auto IV Dear Halo 2, what happened? You were once stronger than Metroid Prime and Mario Galaxy, and now you are weaker than Sonic Adventure 2 and Mario Sunshine. And while we're at it, dear WoW, Vice City, CoD4, and GTAIV, what happened to YOU all? --- Currently Playing - Civilization IV Next Games Up - Baldur's Gate, Baldur's Gate II |
Going to have to quote Ulti on this one......."LOL x-stats" Didn't SMG lose to TP? It probably was SFF'd. That should matter a lot more than any overperformance Fallout 3 might have gotten on Brawl. 4-way x-stats are highly, highly, suspect unless you tell us which matches you're using. The final list at the end is not useful. --- 90s games > 00s games |
From: red sox 777 | #434 Ehhhhhhhh, I doubt it was anything significant. I'm not taking Galaxy over MGS3, RE4, or KH2, and you don't get too much leeway before you get there. Heck, if anything, I'd sooner say Galaxy overperformed a bit. "Zelda game that's not beloved" vs. "Not as popular but well beloved by those who do like it Mario game" --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
That
was actually one of the more strangely impressive performances.
Everyone expected it to be an SFF-fest, but Galaxy held up surprisingly
well. --- Black Turtle. Whatever. |
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#420 | LeonhartFour | Posted 3/1/2011 9:20:16 PM | message detail Yeah, GoldenEye is Perfect Dark's worst nightmare when it comes to SFF. This is true, but also, by the time that PotD was run we already knew that Rare was working on an upgraded version of PD with improved graphics and online multiplayer that would run at a constant 60 FPS (available now on Live for only $10, buy it tonight!). So a Virtual Console re-release would have been pretty pointless, and there's not much to take away from that poll as far as PD in concerned. ...except to imagine the kind of number Goldeneye would have put up without PD in the equation... --- thengamer.com/guru thengamer.com/xstats board8.wikia.com You should search for The Show, the cool podcast featuring Guru Champ Black Turtle! |
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Can I post the Power lyrics next? |
now I can have the entire CS&D crew on my friends list. --- Hau hauu, omochi kaeri! |
It's going to take some time to get use to the yellow on some users, but not on others. Seems like you can change your board settings to a different colour (yellow, light yellow, light blue, light red) and what you highlight (entire bar, name, entire post/topic, none). I guess I'll go with yellow name, no point in removing it completely. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest. |
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sure the CS&D crew would like "This Day in Gaming", since it allows
you to see interesting milestones that occured in the past. Like what
important games were released on the same day in a previous year. February 29th of next year is weird: http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/thisdayingaming.html?opt=364 "This Day in Gaming" allows you to go up to 1 year into the past or 1 year into the future. March 2nd of last year: http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/thisdayingaming.html?opt=-365 March 2nd of next year: http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/thisdayingaming.html?opt=366 Option values below -365 or above 366 will not work and will simply display results for today's date. --- Luster Soldier - Popular at school. ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ |
So what other games besides Halo 2/3 were sold at 7-11? --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest. |
I
have no idea. Also, Bacon messed up again and used "GameSpot" instead
of "GameStop". This same mistake was present in last year's poll. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
Random
thought: with the 3DS's impending launch, how successful would a "best
DS game" contest fare? I think it would have just barely enough games
to fill a 64-game bracket. Obviously, the contest wouldn't be as
popular as our last few contests, but I like the idea of having a
send-off for the system. Besides, what game would win? Mario Kart DS? Bowser's Inside Story? Spirit Tracks? 358/2 Days? Diamond/Pearl/Platinum? ...Phoenix Wright? >_> --- Black Turtle. Whatever. |
Best
DS game contest should definitely be restricted to 32 entrants, maybe
16 if possible to form a "mini-contest" of sorts. According to the '10
stats, the ENTIRE FIELD of a Best DS Game contest would be fodder! --- Currently Playing - Civilization IV Next Games Up - Baldur's Gate, Baldur's Gate II |
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