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One of the more common explanations is that it acted as a sort of OoT proxy. Not sure if I'm buying that, but I'd definitely take FFX in a rematch to the tune of 53-47 or so.

I can't really see MM working as an OoT proxy. It's not like OoT fanboys who hated MM for whatever reason (the harder difficulty, the save system, fewer dungeons, recycled character models that gave some people the impression that it wasn't a "real" Zelda, too much emphasis on non-dungeon stuff, etc.) would suddenly think, "Well, I hated Majora's Mask, but OoT isn't in the bracket, so I guess I have to vote for it."

It doesn't really make sense.

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Also, why is Super Mario World and it's near-equal, SMB3, ranked so high in the x-stats in BGE 2009? Anyone have the reasoning behind it? There's no direct match that will rank them that high.

We made SMW = SM64. We have nothing on the top quarter of the bracket so we just made the easy adjustment.


Also, any chance that Mario 64 is the clear #1 Mario game?

I wouldn't say clear, but let's just say that if we ever get a contest without OoT/FFVII I'll be taking SM64 as my winner. Upset? Yup, but I'm willing to do that for my favourtie game
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SM64 is probably the strongest Nario game, I'm not sure though. If OoT and FFVII were taken out I'd pick LttP. Normally I think RBY is stronger, but with OoT out, the Zelda fanboys would probably do like they did this contest.
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Mario 64 tied with LttP. LttP beat Mario 3 and Mario World 60/40. Take that as you will!

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Another interesting fact: LttP was worth 34.56% on FF7, despite it being 3 early-90s Nintendo games against another game. RBY was worth 36.93% on Ocarina of Time, with the other two games likely impacting both OoT and RBY about equally. Granted, Zelda:OoT is stronger than FF7, and even taking leeching into account, the 2.37% difference is still notable. Finally, lol x-stats and double lol 4-way x-stats! We can't say much from that.

Actually, come to think of it, LttP faced FF7 the next round, too, and was worth... 36.61% on FF7, with Mario 64 holding it back. Granted, FF6 probably held FF7 back a little, as well, but not as much. They look pretty even, then.

But, note the good showing of Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess (MM beats GSC with 56%, TP beats GSC with 53%).... then remember that LttP is surely stronger than Majora's Mask by a few points, suddenly RBY looks to be at a slight disadvantage.

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SM64 is the clear #1 Mario game based on last year. Much better just to use the raw stats than adjust SMW to equal SM64, considering how little LFF SMW and SMB3 showed prior to the semifinal, especially as LTTP 60-40'd SMW. I do think SMW/SMB3 LFF was probably a lot worse in that match than earlier in the contest because they were playing with a much smaller pool of votes, but it's not going to come close to 60-40. SFF from LTTP, maybe, but a 60-40 is a 60-40 and making arbitrary adjustments to deny that is groundless.
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But, note the good showing of Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess (MM beats GSC with 56%, TP beats GSC with 53%).... then remember that LttP is surely stronger than Majora's Mask by a few points, suddenly RBY looks to be at a slight disadvantage.

Nope already explained it.

This contest doesn't say too much about RBY actually. I think RBY is much stronger than the other pokemon games. Nostalgia is big with Pokemon. Many people hates everything GSC and onwards, but still loves RBY. I mean how many people hasn't played the first one. RBY would crush MM with over 60%. Look at the character contests as well. Lucario, Mudkip, Bidoof, sure they all advanced (in 4ways), but then look at Pikachu, Charizard and Mewtwo, so much stronger. Missingno besides from having the joke character potential, probably also got a lot of votes from RBY fans.
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RBY has a completely different appeal than the other games in the series.

It's like comparing Fallout 3 to the first two Fallout games, or GTA3 to the other GTA games, except in this case the original is strongest. Maybe it's more appropriate to compare to 2D sonic vs. 3D sonic, just far stronger.
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I think comparing RBY to GSC would be more like comparing....mmm, MGS to MGS3. Except that MGS3 probably wouldn't hold up as well as GSC already has shown it could.

I suppose if RBY beats LttP more easly then expected then I will just blame it on Charizard and MissingNo., then!

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considering how little LFF SMW and SMB3 showed prior to the semifinal

I'd say it was significant during SMW/SMB3/LoZ/SMB. LoZ isn't touching SMB3 considering that the game is weaker than SMB.
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It was Mario/Mario/Mario/Zelda. The LFF ought to have been massive; Zelda 1 should have won easily. That it didn't shows how little LFF there was between those old Mario games. Remember Zelda 1 got 43.5% on Mario 3 directly back in 2004- it was actually ahead of Mario World in that year's stats!

I personally put SMW/SMB3 around 45-46% on LTTP. That's actually giving them nearly as much LFF as Cloud suffered from Sephiroth, but I'm trying to be conservative in not putting them too low, and I do think the presence of FFVII in that match matters (the people voting for SMW/SMB3 in that match are primarily big Mario fans, as most of their universal fanbase gets taken away).
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Don't forget LoZ is also a Nintendo game so you'd expect the blow from LFF to be smaller. If you expect SMB3 to only get 55% on SMB that already puts SMB3 at around what it got on 2004, that's massive LFF. I know that I'm pulling the SMB3/SMB ratio out of my ass, but I doubt anyone considers the games close. Now consider SMW is slightly stronger plus some SFF on LttP's end and I don't see how you can say SM64 is clearly the stronger game.
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I consider LoZ to be as close to SMB3 as it was in 2004. But really, the comparison with FFIV is much more telling than using either 2004 numbers for LoZ or flat out guessing. There was almost no difference in SMW's results on FFIV when SMB3 was added to the mix. Most comparisons from last contest indicated very minimal LFF (like, 1-2%) in the matches against FFIV. The point is that there's no way the LFF was near a 60/40 gap. Cloud/Sephiroth, as stated, produced a lot less.

Statistically, SM64 is clearly the strongest Mario game. How much you trust 4-way stats is up to you.
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It doesn't have to be pure 60/40 LFF, LttP probably had a hand in SFFing SMW/SMB3 along with their LFF in the actual match too.
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I'd say it was significant during SMW/SMB3/LoZ/SMB. LoZ isn't touching SMB3 considering that the game is weaker than SMB.

First off, Zelda was against three Mario games... Mario haters had only one option, unlike two options with SMB3/SMW/LttP/FF7. Secondly, Legend of Zelda was about equal to Super Mario World last contest.... yes, I know that could infer the thought that the original SMB could be stronger than SMW. Unthinkable, I know. Not that I would buy that.

As time goes on, I would wager that Legend of Zelda would catch up to SMB3 in strength, if anything has changed. I mean, it still gives room for SMW to be above Zelda.

Of course, there's more reason to believe Zelda benefitted a greater amount from leeching than LttP, anyway, sooooo... there's just no way it could not have benefited. It's probably not far behind SMB3 and World, though. As for Link to the Past SFFing the Mario games... maybe, but if Twilight Princess could not do the same to Mario Galaxy despite the large gap in strength, then I don't see how high-tier Mario games would get hit by it.

You know what 4-way poll would be interesting to see? Final Fantasy/Super Mario Bros./Legend of Zelda/....hmm...fill in whatever you want here. Or, just 3 options. What would you take to win?

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There should be a significantly lower gap between LttP and TP than between SMB3 and Galaxy (oh how messed up you are, GameFAQs), so...honestly I'd take Mario 64 to win the next contest, partially out of favoritism (it IS my favorite game overall), and partially because LttP will keep dropping while Pokemon did not have a good contest (and no sorry, I don't buy this whole "RBY is in an entirely different league!" silliness; GSC showed that it is still a high midcarder unless you think that the entire bottom quarter is overrated in the stats due to the evil mask's bandwagon).

So I take it that we're taking FFX over both Smash games now? Lol Smash...or did FFX just get a boost from the contest's name?
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I wouldn't count RBY out completely. Based on what it got on GS last year the game would have won the contest assuming MM's bandwagon wasn't huge. Although I think we can all agree that the game wouldn't be as favoured by the board as it was before this contest.
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America was surprisingly behind FFX > RE4, I was expecting 51-52% in favor while Europe et al carried FFX an extra percent or so. It's difficult to say, they're roughly even. I still want to believe Melee takes it because of NA but who knows.

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Well RE4 is a night game, it may not be as much compare to FFX or even the rest of the RE series, but overall the game does perform better at night.
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In a non-OoT/FF7 Games Contest, I'd easily pick LttP to win at this point. RBY would clean house, but don't underestimate the power of Zelda on this site. I mean, LttP has a legit case for being the #3 game as is, and that Zelda name should propel it over any rally, even from freaking Mario and Pokemon. I wouldn't take LttP > FF7 or anything, but I don't know if there's any game that would beat LttP in a close match at this point.

I would love to see SMB3/SMW one on one, though. Here's hoping Bacon and his love for same-game match-ups sets this one up for us next games contest! After the cluster**** these two had together, I want to see which of the two would truly win without fourways being a factor.
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I put all the match pics together and added some of my own for vote-in runner ups and Board 8's top noms that didn't make it in

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/9735/matchpicwallpaperfall20.jpg

it's not really a "wallpaper" but you could use it like that I guess
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Here's what I think are GameFAQs' Top 40 Games:

1) Zelda: Ocarina of Time
2) Final Fantasy VII
3) Zelda: Link to the Past
4) Super Mario 64
5) Pokemon Yellow
6) Final Fantasy X
7) Smash Bros. Brawl
8) Smash Bros. Melee
9) Zelda: Twilight Princess
10) Super Mario World
11) Chrono Trigger
12) Super Mario 3
13) Zelda: Majora's Mask
14) GoldenEye
15) Super Mario RPG
16) Resident Evil 4
17) Metal Gear Solid
18) Final Fantasy VIII
19) Super Mario Bros.
20) Legend of Zelda
21) Final Fantasy VI
22) Fallout 3
23) Pokemon Crystal
24) Zelda: Wind Waker
25) Metroid Prime
26) Half-Life 2
27) Kingdom Hearts II
28) Portal
29) Kingdom Hearts
30) Zelda: Link's Awakening
31) Metal Gear Solid 2
32) Metal Gear Solid 3
33) Metal Gear Solid 4
34) Shadow of the Colossus
35) Super Mario Galaxy
36) Super Metroid
37) Oblivion
38) Diablo II
39) Final Fantasy IV
40) StarCraft
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Not in that order for sure, but it might be the 40.
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Also, a random question: what's the strongest Dreamcast game? I was going to say that Soulcalibur should have that one mopped up still, but then I remembered Sonic Adventure 2. Yeah, I think we can all agree on what's the strongest Dreamcast game.

So who's next strongest? Skies? Sonic Adventure? Marvel vs. Capcom 2?

Oh wait see, now I know that it's a race between MvC2 and SA2. Okay, so who's strongest aside from those two? Soulcalibur? Skies? Shenmue? Jet Grind Radio?
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Even more off-topic: Has there been ANY instance where a character who was formerly silent in all of his/her 2D games was given a well-received voice (or at least one that attracted a VERY small minimum of controversy)? Mega Man is especially bad (and no I haven't played any Mega Man game at all but I know how he sounds like in Mega Man Legends, yuck), and it hasn't worked all that well for Sonic or Samus either despite their voices supposedly fitting both characters. Heck it's probably even worse in Samus's case since she hasn't even been 100% silent before being given a voice, and that it would be far easier to imagine her voice than it would be for Sonic or Mega Man.

Is there anyone I'm missing?
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I dunno, did many people complain about Mario or Link's voices?

As for the top 40 list:
No FFIX? I'd definitely take it over FFIV, which probably shouldn't be on this list.
I'd probably bump Starcraft off unless you think Starcraft II has boosted it. There's only so much you're allowed to suck against a leeched Final Fantasy VIII and still have respectable strength.
Super Metroid was just barely ahead of Super Mario Kart twice last contest. If SMK isn't on the list, but SM is, Super Metroid would probably have to be 40th.
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I think it would be neat if a bunch of us went and "voted" on the Top 20 games or something, with the weighted-ranking method (whatever you call it). E.g. 1st = 20 points, 2nd = 19 points, etc.

You know, maybe make a separate topic or something? Better yet, maybe someone with a high reputation here could "invite"(-only) various CS&D members to participate in this, to make it more "official".

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That's a great idea. I've tried to do this in this topic in the past, but it'll probably get a lot more votes in its own topic.
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Made a topic for the top 20 lists. Please vote!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/57662029
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Congratulations to Guru Champion Black Turtle, who called MM > GSC when most of us were calling it impossible.

You could have given it a more professional presentation (especially the topic title), but whatever.

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I don't get the reasoning for everyone ranking MGS so low? I don't see why it's not stronger than RE4 by a good bit, at least. (unless you think Zelda:MM is overrated)

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I do think MM came out of that a little overrated, yeah, though I still put MGS slightly ahead. After this year's contest though I'm not really sure what to think about MGS.
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2 hours left to go until the GotY polls begin. The first GotY poll should be for the DS. As far as the DS GotY goes, it's going to be between Golden Sun and Pokemon HG/SS.
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Pokemon probably wins.
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Gee I THOUGHT I put FF9 in there...I'd place it a step ahead of Diablo II.

As for Super Mario Kart...lol 4-ways.
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GOTY prediction time:

DS: Pokemon HG/SS
PSP: Peace Walker
Wii: Super Mario Galaxy 2
PS3: God of War 3
360: Halo: Reach
PC: Starcraft 2
Multiplat: Final Fantasy XIII > Mass Effect 2
New IP: Red Dead Redemption
Overall (no matter how many rounds): Super Mario Galaxy 2

(please no iPhone GOTY).

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Pokemon HGSS with the early lead. I wonder if it'll go up or down from here.
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Yikes! HGSS is crushing big time.
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From: Kotetsu534 | #138
New IP: Red Dead Redemption

RDR isn't new IP. It's a sequel to a game no one cared about.
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East Coasters gotta say goodbye to what might have been the best contest year ever.

Meanwhile, I've still got three hours to savor that flavor.

OH MAN SNAKE CHARIZARD ****ING MIZNO SHADOW OF THE MAJORA'S MASK DID YOU SEE THAT ISH
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Took about a minute and a half for Shantae: Risky's Revenge to get a vote, and well over two minutes for Etrian Odyssey 3 to get its first.

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Well, if I forgot about Red Dead Revolver, so will SB! But uh, beyond that, I suppose Disney Epic Mickey, Heavy Rain or Bayonetta...

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Terrible vote totals already for this poll, but I'll blame many people not caring to vote right now because of partying or being busy watching the New Year's Day celebrations on TV.
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Well, if I forgot about Red Dead Revolver, so will SB! But uh, beyond that, I suppose Disney Epic Mickey, Heavy Rain or Bayonetta...

Finally, something Bayonetta can win!
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Heavy Rain might win that. It seemed more hyped than Bayonetta, sadly.
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LOL, DQIX is now ahead of Golden Sun.
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Heavy Rain had BETTER win that.

Also, Etrian Odyssey 3 vs. Shantae: Risky's Revenge gogogo.

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DQ is seriously not going to let Golden Sun run away with this? Awesome!

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