GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 992
Azp2k32 | Posted 12/28/2010 9:33:17 PM | message detail |
Haven't
we talked about RBY enough? Pokémon RBY sold almost 3x the amount of
copies that GSC did. While GSC is seen as the better game by the fans
of the overall series, its reach goes far beyond that of just fans of
the overall series. It's higher and more beloved on the Nintendo SFF
heirarchy, and a ridiculous amount more powerful than MM. It might not
60-40 FFX or MM, but I would be surprised if it didn't pull 55-45 on MM
at least. --- "I submitted brackets on all [224] of my accounts so they would get the 10 free Karma for beating SBAllen's score." - Luster Soldier |
695924 | Posted 12/28/2010 9:34:46 PM | message detail |
It
had built a bandwagon at that point. It blew up MGS3 which made the
fanboys realize it had a chance at winning. The rallying accounts for
like 1.5k votes, just enough to edge out FFX. --- lol opinions |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/28/2010 9:37:52 PM | message detail |
From: 695924 | #052 MM would have killed any MGS game in any round. I grant you that Majora might have built a very tiny bangwagon, but it wasn't anything significant. It was the ONE game that looked impressive in every single match. Even Charizard couldn't manage that in his Cinderella run early this year. Majora's Mask was simply a beast from day one. --- Yoblazer: http://8board.webs.com/ariel.jpg Watch and you'll see... Turtle own me... in the Guru! |
The Mana Sword | Posted 12/28/2010 9:40:21 PM | message detail |
Majora's
Mask definitely built a bandwagon, but I don't think it was until the
finals. That was the only match where it really seemed to show
bandwagon-y trends at the start. I don't know how significant it was, but I'm of the opinion that it's what pushed the game over Brawl. --- This is the kind of **** that allowed the Black Turtle win to happen. 5,000 dead brackets. Want that on your damn conscience, Zelda apologists? |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/28/2010 9:40:37 PM | message detail |
I'd give RBY 55-58% on FFX, same as I give LTTP. I have no idea where you're getting your 1,500 figure for the rallying (you are aware that Zelda's day vote is naturally way better than FF's, right?). 67% on Chrono Cross, 56% on GSC, 56% on Wind Waker, 58% on MGS3, 50% on FFX.....doesn't look like a bandwagon to me. Pre-contest, 56% on GSC is definitely the most impressive match of the lot to me. If that's a bandwagon, then it's a bandwagon that more or less happens every contest, so you may as well argue Cloud > Link in round 1. --- Congratulations to Guru Champion Black Turtle, who called MM > GSC when most of us were calling it impossible. |
695924 | Posted 12/28/2010 9:41:49 PM | message detail |
From: PartOfYourWorld | #053 MGS was ass this contest, don't buy into the whole "SOTC is legit" deal. Not saying MM wasn't legit, but it was not that impressive. It didn't even manage to 60/40 GSC, a game that looked ok against a Wii racing game. --- lol opinions |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/28/2010 9:43:03 PM | message detail |
I think that was more Brawl's doing than anything else. I still believe a portion of this site simply didn't want a game on that system
to be crowned the GotD; it just happened like three rounds later than I
expected. I think FFX would have won in the finals as well, and that's
a SQUARE GAME. Winning a FINAL. In 2010 (imagine the numbers looking
all capped or something). --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/25z1non.jpg Watch and you'll see... Turtle own me... in the Guru! |
695924 | Posted 12/28/2010 9:43:29 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #055 The 1.5k is from cutting the 1k FFX lead and building around 500 votes until the end. --- lol opinions |
The Mana Sword | Posted 12/28/2010 9:44:17 PM | message detail |
See, I don't think FFX would have won that match. I mean, I have no way to prove it and we'll never know, but I just think people would rather have Brawl win over the big bad Final Fantasy. --- This is the kind of **** that allowed the Black Turtle win to happen. 5,000 dead brackets. Want that on your damn conscience, Zelda apologists? |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/28/2010 9:45:31 PM | message detail |
So
you're saying that without rallying, MM wouldn't have cut the lead at
all. That's just silly. For the past 8 years, every time Zelda and FF
have faced off, Zelda has won the day vote. It's not the least bit
surprising for MM to destroy that lead. --- Congratulations to Guru Champion Black Turtle, who called MM > GSC when most of us were calling it impossible. |
695924 | Posted 12/28/2010 9:48:00 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #060 I don't deny that it would have cut the lead, but I don't think the FFX day vote is bad enough to lose the lead. If it was TP or Brawl, I would understand since they would destroy FFX with the ASV. --- lol opinions |
695924 | Posted 12/28/2010 9:48:46 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #060 If MM had a monstrous day vote, the match would not have even been close. --- lol opinions |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/28/2010 9:53:47 PM | message detail |
I
agree about the bandwagon in the final. MM showed bandwagon trends (it
won the first hour by about 500 and the other 23 hours by about 400).
Brawl/FFX feels like such a weird final, because either game winning
would feel so wrong- if any Square game would going to break the
drought, it would not be FFX- or at least FFX just did not feel like
the one to do it. And Brawl......that's self-explanatory. It's hard to
tell how much of a boost MM actually got in the final, but I'd expect
Brawl/FFX to go pretty much according to their natural strengths. If MM had a monstrous day vote, the match would not have even been close. MM's day vote is one tier above FFX's; TP and Brawl are 2 day vote tiers above FFX. MM's day vote was just enough to turn a 1500 deficit into a very close match. --- Congratulations to Guru Champion Black Turtle, who called MM > GSC when most of us were calling it impossible. |
Haste_2 | Posted 12/28/2010 10:41:28 PM | message detail |
Additional
reason why I believe Fallout 3 overperformed on Brawl: not only do
Fallout 3 and Arkham Asylum seem too strong, but Team Fortress 2 is
currently above Call of Duty 4 in the x-stats. Recall that CoD4 nearly
tripled TF2 in the last game contest! The only thing in defense of the
natural result is Fallout 3's high score on Halo... but considering how
Halo wouldn't manage get 60% on SFIV or SA2, and also considering Halo
2's fall, it seems more like a Halo weakness. (Besides, wouldn't you
expect Halo to be weaker 2-way than 4-way?) If Fallout 3 vs. Final Fantasy X happened today, what percentage would you say FFX gets...? --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. So...what is a party?" "Well, you congratulate BLACK TURTLE for winning the Guru Challenge." |
Big Bob | Posted 12/28/2010 10:44:49 PM | message detail |
Remember how Shadow of the Colossus almost beat MGS3, which almost beat RE4? Remember when SotC and RE4 were in the same poll and SotC got its ass kicked? --- http://card.mygamercard.net/Mach+Tornado.png |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/28/2010 11:25:55 PM | message detail |
It doesn't matter if FFX is stronger indirectly than Majora's Mask, because it lost. Get over it. --- "There is no better video game company out there right now than Square-Enix." -Denzokuken |
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 12/29/2010 4:32:20 AM | message detail |
Personally
I'd peg Halo at 44% on Fallout 3, going by the assumption that Batman
and UC2 are near-equal. That match was just weird as heck. Like I've said, I would like to see somebody adjust the top and bottom quarters of the bracket by holding KOTOR constant to last year and adjusting everything based on Diablo II's, Halo's, and GTAIII's numbers on KOTOR last year. The middle of the bracket should be fine. --- Currently Playing - Smash Bros. Melee, Resident Evil 4 Next Games Up - Okami, StarCraft, Star Fox 64 |
HaRRicH | Posted 12/29/2010 7:21:40 AM | message detail |
We
gotta just accept a few games changed significantly this contest. We
saw it was SotC and ME in a positive light while the CoD-series and
even GSC took turns for the worse, for example, so just because games
like FO3 and even LoZ:MM didn't start so low in BGE2 doesn't mean
they're not allowed to shift either. FO3 had a great reason to
over-perform all contest anyway: FO:New Vegas. If you feel like FO3
wouldn't get ~46% on FFX like it did on SSBB or Batman looks too
strong, I'd rather blame that gave a significant shift in FO3's favor
(it and FO:NV are two of the most searched games here according to
Google, too) before saying things like "Melee would have made the stats
look right." Do you really want to bank on rSFF before that factor when
considering this instance? I doubt we would for any other match. If nothing else, there's always Ulti's favorite line about four-ways. Our starting conceptions of the majority of these games were taken from shaky grounds. These stats are a lot more legit than what we had before. Are there flaws? Bound to be. A SSB-game barely losing the championship to a LoZ-game that just beat FFX is hardly flawed logic though. The winner of SSBM/SSBB just wasn't the assumed lock we made the winner out to be. --- First with SSBB > SMG in 2009, then with the GotD-contest: BT owned me once again. http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg |
Not_Wylvane | Posted 12/29/2010 7:30:02 AM | message detail |
Plus,
you know, the whole "Game of the Decade" moniker. GameFAQs apparently
took that to heart, picking games they could see being the most
influential and important game of the decade over their favorites. Though if that really is a case, the fact they chose a semi-direct sequel to Ocarina of Time from 2000 as the greatest game of this decade is rather telling of what GameFAQs finds quality and influential, but I'm sure you're all well aware of that by now. --- Wylvane Guru Contest Winner Black Turtle is a wonderful user. |
Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 12/29/2010 7:35:55 AM | message detail |
LinkMarioSamus Posted 12/27/2010 6:48:12 AM message detail filter #477 If I remember last year Shadow of the Colossus got 35% on Resident Evil 4. According to these stats, it gets 48% on the same game. Sorry man, Majora's Mask was clearly bandwagoned. Like I said, I think the best way to adjust the bottom half of the bracket is to take Diablo II's number on KOTOR last year and work from there. With the top half it would be adjusting based on GTAIII's number on KOTOR, and then adjust the bottom half of the North division by Halo's number on GTAIII. lol 4-ways |
ctesjbuvf | Posted 12/29/2010 7:40:19 AM | message detail |
This
contest doesn't say too much about RBY actually. I think RBY is much
stronger than the other pokemon games. Nostalgia is big with Pokemon.
Many people hates everything GSC and onwards, but still loves RBY. I
mean how many people hasn't played the first one. RBY would crush MM
with over 60%. Look at the character contests as well. Lucario, Mudkip,
Bidoof, sure they all advanced (in 4ways), but then look at Pikachu,
Charizard and Mewtwo, so much stronger. Missingno besides from having
the joke character potential, probably also got a lot of votes from RBY
fans. --- "Calintares is a huge stat nerd" Link always wins. Only Jay Solano, L-Block, Cloud, God and BlAcK_TuRtLe can def |
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 12/29/2010 8:01:39 AM | message detail |
"Fallout 3 had a great reason to overperform this contest". So Fallout 3 loses to Metroid Prime without this gamefuel help? The same Metroid Prime which Fallout 3 looked easily ahead of last year? Wow...I just can't wrap my head around breaking 45% on Brawl one round after struggling with Metroid Prime. What the heck. And I don't buy this whole "Prime was leeched really badly last year" thing. For one thing, if you hold Prime and Paper Mario constant to their '09 selves, you get Prime scoring 56% on MGS3, which just sounds so wrong (I'd take Prime over MGS3, but not by that much!), so something was clearly SFFing Paper Mario last year, and I would never count on Metroid to SFF anything. Since another "lighthearted" RPG was in that match, the conclusion is obvious: all these "kiddy" RPGs like Kingdom Hearts, Mario RPG, and Golden Sun share a bit of a fanbase with each other. I wouldn't be surprised if Pokemon somehow did, too. Meanwhile Paper Mario was able to leech off enough of the Nintendo fanbase to allow Vice City to sneak past Prime. But yeah, I'm pretty sure you can find lots of things in the x-stats which go against last year. Prime getting 56% on a game it couldn't even break 40% on last year, MW1 losing to a game it once tripled, MGS4 being only on the level of games it once broke 60% on with ease, SotC gaining an inexplicable boost out of nowhere, GTAIV losing to a game it once broke 60% on, HL2 murdering FF12 with ease, God of War beating Oblivion, GTAIII being stronger than all three games it faced last year...yeah. Oh, and would you really take stuff like Deus Ex > Dissidia, Gears of War > Crisis Core, and RE5 > KOTOR? --- Currently Playing - Smash Bros. Melee, Resident Evil 4 Next Games Up - Okami, StarCraft, Star Fox 64 |
Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 12/29/2010 8:15:15 AM | message detail |
RBY
is indefinitely the strongest Pokemon, by a lot. Is it #3? Maybe. I
still think LttP, Mario 64, Mario World/3 and CT beat it though. |
SubDeity | Posted 12/29/2010 9:37:13 AM | message detail |
I
can definitely buy MM getting a strong bandwagon. This is just my
personal experience, but a friend of mine who doesn't even post on
GameFAQS was rallying for it on FB and picked up 10 or so visible votes
for it. Replicate that just 20 times worldwide and you have the
difference in the semifinal. |
Denzokuken | Posted 12/29/2010 9:40:24 AM | message detail |
"There is no better video game company out there right now than Square-Enix." -Denzokuken haha, why are people sigging this? --- Black Turtle likes Gurus |
Azp2k32 | Posted 12/29/2010 9:49:55 AM | message detail |
From: Denzokuken | #001 FFXIII & FFXIV. Particularly the latter. This is the worst Square has ever been in the time period that people have cared about them. --- "I submitted brackets on all [224] of my accounts so they would get the 10 free Karma for beating SBAllen's score." - Luster Soldier |
Not_Wylvane | Posted 12/29/2010 10:04:06 AM | message detail |
If
you believe in GotD voting being beneficial to high-quality games due
to the contest's title, Metroid Prime has as much a reason to
overperform as Galaxy or SotC. It is one of the most beautiful and
atmospheric games of its generation and very highly praised by many as
a worthy successor to Super Metroid. --- Wylvane Guru Contest Winner Black Turtle is a wonderful user. |
Denzokuken | Posted 12/29/2010 10:57:33 AM | message detail |
FFXIII & FFXIV. Particularly the latter. This is the worst Square has ever been in the time period that people have cared about them. Yeah... that's why I'm amazed people managed to take it seriously. --- Black Turtle likes Gurus |
gearofages | Posted 12/29/2010 12:20:31 PM | message detail |
Would any of you assume that Majora's Mask would get less support in another contest? I don't quite understand how any of you could think that it is "overachieving." Bandwagon=votes Rallying=votes Drones=votes More votes=victory I thought all of you that were against MM at the beginning of the contest were nuts, and probably were not nearly the experts that you claimed to be. As it is, the numbers are in, but most of you guys still don't believe that MM has any real strength. Oh, well, I guess. |
Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 12/29/2010 1:11:09 PM | message detail |
One
of the more common explanations is that it acted as a sort of OoT
proxy. Not sure if I'm buying that, but I'd definitely take FFX in a
rematch to the tune of 53-47 or so. --- Game of the Decade? More like Guru of the Decade mirite? |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/29/2010 1:13:24 PM | message detail |
From: Denzokuken | #075 Because it's one of the worst posts in history. Look at all the games Square has made since Kingdom Hearts. You cannot look someone in the eye and tell me they're the best developer. --- Simply by existing, this level of reasoning is possible for Ultimaterializer. What do you think, everyone? |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/29/2010 1:13:31 PM | message detail |
tell them* --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.· Can't tell if serious. |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/29/2010 1:14:25 PM | message detail |
From: Denzokuken | #078 Don't even try the "I was kidding" stuff when you spent the better part of a 150 post topic defending Square, k? --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.· "God exists. Religion controls." -ScorpioVS |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/29/2010 1:20:13 PM | message detail |
I'd
like to hear the reasoning for OoT proxy as well. First you'd need the
average voter to check the bracket and see that OoT is not in it then
you'd need those voters to like MM by more than what they usually
would, which I don't see happening. I love Mario games and I would likely vote for one that I've never played over another game that I've never l played, but if all the top Mario games weren't in the bracket I don't see myself voting for it over things I wouldn't have initially voted for. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest. |
Denzokuken | Posted 12/29/2010 1:27:20 PM | message detail |
Don't even try the "I was kidding" stuff when you spent the better part of a 150 post topic defending Square, k? eh --- Black Turtle likes Gurus |
TheCodeisBosco | Posted 12/29/2010 1:36:47 PM | message detail |
MW1 losing to a game it once tripled This is hilarious on so many levels... and I actually like Call of Duty! RBY is indefinitely the strongest Pokemon, by a lot. Is it #3? Maybe. I still think LttP, Mario 64, Mario World/3 and CT beat it though. Man! If Mario World defeated RBY, I think that'd be the most embarrassing result in this site's history. >_> Earlier in this thread, I mentioned that I'd be surprised if ALttP beat RBY; but all things considered, that match would probably be a toss-up. I'd give RBY the edge, myself, but you could make a solid case for either game. But I don't know... I just can't see RBY losing to any of the Mario games, and especially not Chrono Trigger nowadays. --- Nominate CRAZY DAVE (PLANTS VS. ZOMBIES) for Character Battle '11! If you don't, a bungee zombie will kidnap you. That'd suck, wouldn't it? |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/29/2010 2:14:39 PM | message detail |
I
could easily see RBY losing to any of the big 3 Mario games or CT,
intuitively anyway. Stats-wise, there's not really an argument- RBY is
superior. But it's not so far ahead in the 2009 stats that those games
couldn't beat it (and I always take CT if I can convinced myself
there's even a 25% chance of it happening, which I think there is in
this case). --- Congratulations to Guru Champion Black Turtle, who called MM > GSC when most of us were calling it impossible. |
Bigwig_rah | Posted 12/29/2010 5:21:41 PM | message detail |
I'm
hearing a lot of talk about a best fictional character contest being
the next one, but how would people feel about a best multimedia
character contest, where all of the entrants have to have been in a
game and another form of media. Could be fun I think. --- See You Space Cowboy... |
Ngamer64 | Posted 12/29/2010 5:39:10 PM | message detail |
Bigwig_rah | Posted 12/29/2010 7:21:41 PM | message detail I'm hearing a lot of talk about a best fictional character contest being the next one, but how would people feel about a best multimedia character contest, where all of the entrants have to have been in a game and another form of media. Could be fun I think. Just to be clear, the All Fictional battle we're talking about would still require someone to have appeared in a video game in order to make the field. All we're trying to do is remove the restriction that you have to have originated in a video game. As for Multimedia... so like Mario and Sonic would be allowed because they had TV shows, but Kratos gets kicked out because he hasn't? But then Kratos was in a graphic novel series, so would that count? ...eh, trying to make those kind of distinctions is too complicated for my tastes. I'd say we should just stick with video games. --- thengamer.com/guru thengamer.com/xstats board8.wikia.com You should search for The Show, the cool podcast featuring Guru Champ Black Turtle! |
ctesjbuvf | Posted 12/30/2010 3:24:05 AM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #087 I couldn't. Reasons in my post a little above. Plus pokemon is one of series most people visit gamefaqs to get help to. --- "Calintares is a huge stat nerd" Link always wins. Only Jay Solano, L-Block, Cloud, God and BlAcK_TuRtLe can def |
MasterOfHunters | Posted 12/30/2010 5:14:51 AM | message detail |
I
am no expert, but I did do one thing right, and that is to not take the
4 way matches too seriously. Although I wasn't 100% sure, the first
potential winner that I could think of was indeed LOZ MM. Well until
FFX destroyed RE4, only then I thought MM was in a bit of trouble
here... I believe MM would have pretty much embarrassed Melee as well. |
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 12/30/2010 5:26:39 AM | message detail |
I'm picking MGS1 over RBY. Oh wait didn't the MGS series stink the joint this contest? Whatever... ...still, MGS vs. RBY just seems like the writing is more on the wall for MGS to reverse its loss than to get embarassed again. --- Currently Playing - Smash Bros. Melee, Resident Evil 4 Next Games Up - Okami, StarCraft, Star Fox 64 |
MasterOfHunters | Posted 12/30/2010 5:36:29 AM | message detail |
What
should be the pre-requisite for fictional characters? Simply appearing
in a game isn't enough IMO. Playable? Main character? Multiple titles?
A lot of anime characters meet those requirements. Still, I can't think
of one character that would even compete with Link or Cloud. At best, I
can see Batman and Spiderman competing with Samus or Snake. Goku is
probably below Crono. One anime character with a chance is probably
Rei, or even Asuka from Eva, especially after part 3 comes out next
year. |
Not_Wylvane | Posted 12/30/2010 7:03:13 AM | message detail |
I'd
totally love to see Crono vs Goku, just to test that theory of whether
people vote for Crono purely because he looks like him. --- Wylvane Guru Contest Winner Black Turtle is a wonderful user. |
ctesjbuvf | Posted 12/30/2010 7:35:33 AM | message detail |
I
think the idea of letting fictional characters in is horrible, we're on
a gaming site, the fact that they apperaed in a game doesn't matter.
Gamespot contests can have fictional characters, not these. --- "Calintares is a huge stat nerd" Link always wins. Only Jay Solano, L-Block, Cloud, God and BlAcK_TuRtLe can def |
Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 12/30/2010 7:41:38 AM | message detail |
Gamespot
and gamefaqs are merged right?Also I like this fictional
characters.Nobody knows their strength so most matches will be excited. --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/30/2010 9:47:25 AM | message detail |
Crono should beat Goku, he's just a better character. And CT should beat DBZ too. They better, at least! If not, I'll have to seriously revise my opinion of this site's good taste. --- Congratulations to Guru Champion Black Turtle, who called MM > GSC when most of us were calling it impossible. |
Haste_2 | Posted 12/30/2010 1:29:33 PM | message detail |
If GSC can beat MGS3, then I think RBY can take on MGS. Also, why is Super Mario World and it's near-equal, SMB3, ranked so high in the x-stats in BGE 2009? Anyone have the reasoning behind it? There's no direct match that will rank them that high. Also, any chance that Mario 64 is the clear #1 Mario game? --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. So...what is a party?" "Well, you congratulate BLACK TURTLE for winning the Guru Challenge." |
pjbasis | Posted 12/30/2010 1:36:12 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #457 You mean a non-character should beat a real character? |
Azp2k32 | Posted 12/30/2010 1:38:19 PM | message detail |
From: Safer Sephiroth 777 | #004 The game boards are merged. The sites otherwise remain separated. Each site holds its own contests. --- "I submitted brackets on all [224] of my accounts so they would get the 10 free Karma for beating SBAllen's score." - Luster Soldier |
