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Am I the only one not too surprised that we didn't hit 1000 topics this contest?

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C = Character Weaker than B
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To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

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~*Say What? Common Stats Topic Lingo Defined*~

SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote. This is the best example of SFF we've ever seen. However take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make perfect sense.

Extrapolated Standings - The mathematical "strength" of a contestant that's determined based on their performance relative to the rest of the field. This number is typically based on the contest entrant's loss, but adjustments are sometimes made. See above for a watered down explanation for how the stats are calculated.

Noble Nine - Link, Cloud, Solid Snake, Sephiroth, Mario, Crono, Santa Claus, Samus and Mega Man
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Guru Contest Winner Black Turtle is a wonderful user.

From: Not_Wylvane | #001
Noble Nine - Link, Cloud, Solid Snake, Sephiroth, Mario, Crono, Santa Claus, Samus and Mega Man

Is it bad that I don't recognize who's missing from this list
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From: _Regaro_ | #002
Is it bad that I don't recognize who's missing from this list

considering sonic has had a lot of bad games this decade, not really.

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sonic beat crono so try again, he didnt disgrace the N9 by losing to missingno either
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From: SnoicFactor | #004
sonic beat crono so try again, he didnt disgrace the N9 by losing to missingno either

But I already did that joke in an earlier topic I posted. No need to repeat old material!
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lol Sonic
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This is the kind of **** that allowed the Black Turtle win to happen. 5,000 dead brackets. Want that on your damn conscience, Zelda apologists?

Can we reach topic 1000 before nominations open for the next contest? I'm guessing no. Actually, I think we probably won't hit 1000 until the bracket comes out.
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Congratulations to Guru Champion Black Turtle, who called MM > GSC when most of us were calling it impossible.

Hmm.

Switch Brawl's and FFX's spots. What game ends up winning the contest? Does MM beat Brawl then, even with less momentum/Brawl hate? If Brawl wins, does FFX capitalize on backlash?

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MM would probably win. Stupid bandwagons.
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Link always wins. Only Jay Solano, L-Block, Cloud, God and BlAcK_TuRtLe can defeat him.

Brawl beats MM.
TP beats FFX and wins the contest.
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Melee beats FFX and then the Brawl/MM winner in the final to win the contest.
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Congratulations to Guru Champion Black Turtle, who called MM > GSC when most of us were calling it impossible.

Melee wouldn't win.
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Link always wins. Only Jay Solano, L-Block, Cloud, God and BlAcK_TuRtLe can defeat him.

Melee ain't beating FFX at night.

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Praise the Black Turtle, Game of the Decade Guru Champ.
(Well, I never promised creativity, did I?!)

FFX isn't beating Nintendo ever again.
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Anybody want to post the x-stats for Germany (I'm kind of lacking a good computer with a spreadsheet right now)? Its taste in games is my personal favorite. =p

If you agree to sig this: Calintares is a huge stat nerd

for a day, then I'll do it.
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Oh, that was a night match. Thought that as big a match as SSBM/FFX would have to be 24-hour, but I guess not!
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Congratulations to Guru Champion Black Turtle, who called MM > GSC when most of us were calling it impossible.

FFX would eke out Melee, causing angry Melee fans to rally behind TP over it, causing angry FFX fans to vote Fallout 3 over TP. At that point, both fanbases are anti-voting so hard that they rally Fallout 3 over MM, giving the greatest winner in contest history.
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Guru Contest Winner Black Turtle is a wonderful user.

From: KamikazePotato | #008
Switch Brawl's and FFX's spots. What game ends up winning the contest?

Melee. The Nintendo fanbase won't allow it to lose to FFX, night match or not. Melee will be in the finals, which means there will be significant Brawl backlash in the second semis, meaning Majora will beat Brawl. Melee faces Majora in the finals. Melee wins without much struggle because the Nintendo fanbase decrees it a worthy winner.

The only thing that kept Melee from winning this contest was facing Brawl too early. There is no way that Melee would have had those same disastrous performances against Fallout and Majora that Brawl did.
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I have a theory: if 1,000 people would have voted for Super Smash Brothers Brawl instead of Majora's Mask, then Majora's Mask would not have won the contest. But, that didn't actually happen, so my logic ends here.

Post your top 20!

1. Ocarina of Time
2. Final Fantasy VII

3. A Link to the Past
4. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow
5. Super Mario 64
6. Chrono Trigger
7. Super Mario World
8. Super Mario Bros. 3
9. Super Smash Bros. Melee
10. Goldeneye: 007
11. Metal Gear Solid
12. Majora's Mask
13. Final Fantasy X
14. Super Smash Bros. Brawl
15. Twilight Princess
16. Super Mario RPG
17. Super Mario Bros.
18. Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal
19. Final Fantasy VIII
20. The Legend of Zelda

Melee > Brawl forever, it just got rSFF'd! I know, that seems like a lame excuse, but that doesn't mean it isn't true.
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Congratulations to Guru Champion Black Turtle, who called MM > GSC when most of us were calling it impossible.

You're clearly a Melee fan huh. Brawl did better before that match too.
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Link always wins. Only Jay Solano, L-Block, Cloud, God and BlAcK_TuRtLe can defeat him.

Well, those games between them I consider even anyway, so perhaps it's more fair to just call all 6 of them #9.
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Congratulations to Guru Champion Black Turtle, who called MM > GSC when most of us were calling it impossible.

Yeah they are close. Though I think Golden eye and MGS is a bit below the others.
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Link always wins. Only Jay Solano, L-Block, Cloud, God and BlAcK_TuRtLe can defeat him.

Goldeneye is way too high. People overrate that game's strength far too much.
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This is the kind of **** that allowed the Black Turtle win to happen. 5,000 dead brackets. Want that on your damn conscience, Zelda apologists?

So, is it possible that the Battle Challenge had scores lower than they should be? Because it was new and less people participated/there wasn't as much knowledge/experience/etc with it or whatever...?

There's over an 82000 point difference between 1st and 50th. There's a 58 point difference between 1st and 50th in the bracket challenge.

Perhaps. However, unless the scoring system changes, it's always going to be the person who gets a lucky massive streak that wins and there will be a huge different in points even from 1st to 50th. Also there's technically only a 60600 gap between 1st and 50th. It would have been smaller if Luster didn't stop collecting points on those accounts.
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BlAcK TuRtLe crushed my bracket and it didn't even take three days.
Congrats to BlAcK TuRtLe for winning the GotD Guru Contest!

It's the nature of the scoring system to produce huge gaps at the top. You can do very well in terms of getting matches right and still wind up with nothing in the Battle Challenge, if you are very agressive in terms of playing to win (not just to get on the leaderboard, but to win).
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Congratulations to Guru Champion Black Turtle, who called MM > GSC when most of us were calling it impossible.

This contest more or less confirmed RBY as #3, with an outside shot at #2. MM is the equal or better of every single game released after it, and RBY got well past 60% on it. LTTP is never going to 62-38 FFX, no matter how biased an interpretation of events are taken. Melee got 38% on FFVII in '04 - if you think FFVII is weaker now than it was then, then you have to acknowledge it might lose to RBY.

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Praise the Black Turtle, Game of the Decade Guru Champ.
(Well, I never promised creativity, did I?!)

MM is not stronger than FFX.
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If FFVII and RBY ever go up against each other, I'm going with RBY. I think it would have a very real shot at winning that match, and more importantly, it'd be the most epic fanboy pick ever!

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No way does RBY 62-38 FFX either- remember that it faced both MM and GSC last year, and it only got 58% on GSC. It's pretty clear MM suffered from SFF and/or LFF in round 1. And RBY's chances against FFVII are miniscule.
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Congratulations to Guru Champion Black Turtle, who called MM > GSC when most of us were calling it impossible.

Maybe not, but it's more or less equal to it. Rallying/bandwagoning doesn't change things that much. It's not like MM looked weak in its performances before - 57-43 (okay, 56-44 over 24 hours) on MGS3, 55-45 on GSC, 67-33 on CC - nothing bad about any of that. I mean, does anyone even consider Borderlands > Chrono Cross?

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Praise the Black Turtle, Game of the Decade Guru Champ.
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From: TheCodeisBosco | #030
If FFVII and RBY ever go up against each other, I'm going with RBY. I think it would have a very real shot at winning that match, and more importantly, it'd be the most epic fanboy pick ever!

Why would you do that when Pokemon just had a pretty disappointing 1v1 contest? Sure, GSC lost to the eventual champion, but it lost big, and despite that, you'll take RBY over something that would nearly double anything in the GotD bracket? I think most people have shied away from supporting RBY as our #3 game, so it seems strange that anyone would go completely the other way and take it against the clear #2.
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So, that suggests RBY gets 52% on Majora, then. Take note of the HG/SS possible boost, and RBY isn't an obvious #3. I still say it is, though.

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MM = FFX. They looked equal prior to the match going purely by this contest's results, and most importantly they were equal when they faced each other. You don't get much more legit than Nintendo vs. Square over 24 hours- in fact, that match was probably one of the 4 most legit matches in the past 4 years, for the reason that there have only been 4 non-SFF, 1v1, 24-hour matches in the past 4 years.

But RBY pulling off 60-40 against FFX would be very surprising, and 62-38 is pretty much impossible. Also, it's fairly clear that Melee did overperform (substantially) against FFVII back in 2004. FFVII/RBY probably ends around 60/40 without some major bandwagoning.
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Congratulations to Guru Champion Black Turtle, who called MM > GSC when most of us were calling it impossible.

Rallying and bandwagon edged out FFX. It only wins because the casuals have anti FF sentiments. We can't use any of their early matches to get a good read since it was full of fodder and SFF. Also both games lost momentum on votals before the semis because it's such a long contest.
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1. Ocarina of Time
2. Final Fantasy VII

3. Link to the Past
4. Super Mario 64
5. Pokemon R/B/Y
6. Super Mario World
7. Super Mario Bros. 3
8. Super Smash Brothers Brawl
9. Super Smash Brothers Melee
10. Chrono Trigger
11. Final Fantasy X
12. Twilight Princess
13. Super Mario Bros.
14. Majora's Mask
15. Metal Gear Solid
16. Final Fantasy VIII
17. Legend of Zelda
18. Goldeneye 007
19. Final Fantasy VI
20. Final Fantasy
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Black Turtle beat me, Yesmar in the Fall 2010 Guru Contest!

The reason this contest made me flip my #3 and #4 positions between RBY and LTTP is that when it came down to it, MM beat GSC, and easily. RBY is a higher class of Pokemon game, but LTTP is also a higher class of Zelda game. RBY should do better, but it's hard for me to see RBY doing so much better that it can turn around a 56/44 loss by GSC. Very possible, but I'm going with LTTP for now.
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Congratulations to Guru Champion Black Turtle, who called MM > GSC when most of us were calling it impossible.

FFX was clearly stronger before the MM rallying. There wasn't any ASV to boost MM, plus it's the older game. I think TP would have beaten FFX through the ASV, but not MM.
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From: 695924 | #036
Rallying and bandwagon edged out FFX. It only wins because the casuals have anti FF sentiments

Even if that were true, what would stop it from happening next time and the time after that? Anti-votes should be considered a part of a game's intrinsic strength or weakness. If the next bracket features a debated Nintendo vs. Square match at the end, don't you think many people will favor the Nintendo entrant because of Square anti-votes? I think it's nearly a given, and it doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
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Hmm? MM's 3-5 hours were its strongest of the day- the ASV just fell apart once we got west of the central time zone. Unless you mean that it wouldn't have won without rallying, which may be true, but doesn't really matter for our purposes here. Whether MM or FFX wins by 200 votes, they're still basically equal at the end of the day.
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Congratulations to Guru Champion Black Turtle, who called MM > GSC when most of us were calling it impossible.

Regardless of how anything looked before the match, the fact is that MM only beat FFX by a little over 200 votes, a difference which I find hard to believe couldn't have been due to rallying, especially as MM rallies had several large topics on 4chan.
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From: PartOfYourWorld | #040
Even if that were true, what would stop it from happening next time and the time after that? Anti-votes should be considered a part of a game's intrinsic strength or weakness. If the next bracket features a debated Nintendo vs. Square match at the end, don't you think many people will favor the Nintendo entrant because of Square anti-votes? I think it's nearly a given, and it doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

Rallying only happens late in the contest. If MM faced FFX in round 2, it would have been a 60/40.
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Why would you do that when Pokemon just had a pretty disappointing 1v1 contest? Sure, GSC lost to the eventual champion, but it lost big, and despite that, you'll take RBY over something that would nearly double anything in the GotD bracket? I think most people have shied away from supporting RBY as our #3 game, so it seems strange that anyone would go completely the other way and take it against the clear #2.

Don't get me wrong, FFVII should be a pretty big favorite in that match; but I think RBY would have a 30-35%-ish chance of pulling off an upset. And for a huge RBY fanboy like me, that's more than enough!

Pokemon had a pretty rough contest, no doubt about it (well, except RSE) - but I still feel really good about RBY. I'd be surprised if it lost to ALTTP, FFX, etc.

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From: 695924 | #039
FFX was clearly stronger before the MM rallying.

Wha? Zelda has one of the best day votes around, and Final Fantasy's has gotten progressively worse over the years. Even if rallying propelled it, it was still going to tear away at the lead - or at least the percentage - during the day vote. That match is no more than a 51/49 on any given day, rallying or not.
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From: 695924 | #043
Rallying only happens late in the contest. If MM faced FFX in round 2, it would have been a 60/40.

Nice. We'll need lots of posts like these to hit Part 1000 before the next contest is announced.
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From: PartOfYourWorld | #045
Wha? Zelda has one of the best day votes around, and Final Fantasy's has gotten progressively worse over the years. Even if rallying propelled it, it was still going to tear away at the lead - or at least the percentage - during the day vote. That match is no more than a 51/49 on any given day, rallying or not.

The fact that the rallying didn't let MM pull too far away meant it only got a big enough boost to edge out FFX. Without it, they would have stayed constant throughout the day.
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Rallying only happens late in the contest. If MM faced FFX in round 2, it would have been a 60/40.

Not a chance. That's really really out there. And if you really want to look at round 2......MM got 67% on CC, and FFX got 70% on Borderlands, both at night. FFX didn't even break 55% on MM in the dead zone of all times.
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Congratulations to Guru Champion Black Turtle, who called MM > GSC when most of us were calling it impossible.

Anti-votes should be considered a part of a game's intrinsic strength or weakness.

A) There's a difference between anti-votes and rallying. Rallying is not an intrinsic part of an entrant's strength, as it's not guaranteed
B) Just because an entrant is stronger indirectly, doesn't mean that it can't lose to a weaker entrant in a direct match.
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Black Turtle beat me, Yesmar in the Fall 2010 Guru Contest!

MM's rallying was a few hundred votes at most. Freeze that match where it was at 3 PM and you still get the same picture: MM = FFX.
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Congratulations to Guru Champion Black Turtle, who called MM > GSC when most of us were calling it impossible.