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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 990
red sox 777 | Posted 12/23/2010 12:22:57 PM | message detail |
Would
anyone consider Goldeneye > Brawl? I think stats-wise, it's right up
there with Brawl, and I'd strongly consider taking it over other games
in that area (FFX, MM, and MGS) but GE > SSBB feels wrong to me (and
GE > SSBM feels very wrong). --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
raytan7585 | Posted 12/23/2010 12:23:03 PM | message detail |
MM is preventing Brawl from making a comeback. Brawl is so screwed! --- raytan. The Cream of Terra Branford Fanboyism. http://myanimelist.net/animelist/raytan7585 |
Advokaiser | Posted 12/23/2010 12:23:22 PM | message detail |
Who woulda thought FFX > Smash Bros? 79% of the gurus? --- Fear not, Termina Gurus, because Fierce Deity Black Turtle has come to save us all! |
Evillordexdeath | Posted 12/23/2010 12:28:07 PM | message detail |
At
this point yesterday, FFX's lead was below 600. It's more than clear at
this point that the day vote won't be nearly as kind to Brawl as it was
to Majora yesterday. I'm ready to call this over as well. --- Hi,hi,hi, you come buying? You can sell, too. I, Mr. Saturn, can do all for you. |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/23/2010 12:30:45 PM | message detail |
Would
anyone consider Goldeneye > Brawl? I think stats-wise, it's right up
there with Brawl, and I'd strongly consider taking it over other games
in that area (FFX, MM, and MGS) but GE > SSBB feels wrong to me (and
GE > SSBM feels very wrong). At first I went to a straight no, but then I remembered that would likely mean MM > GE which makes me sad. Better watch out for the N64 games next contest (though not in 2011 Bacon). Super Mario 64 for champ. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 268/384 Today's Winner: Super Smash Bros. Brawl |
TheOneAboveAll | Posted 12/23/2010 12:36:41 PM | message detail |
I
don't think this is over yet. North America has been consistently
sliding towards Brawl since 2AM and should swing over to Brawl's favor
by the end. Look at Cali also. That ASV should be worth 200 votes alone
in two hours. Once Europe goes to sleep I think Brawl will take the
last 6 hours. Assuming it can stick at around 51% it will gain 100
votes for each of those hours. It's not enough, but if Brawl can pick
up a little more than that we will have a very exciting finish. |
TheOneAboveAll | Posted 12/23/2010 12:37:57 PM | message detail |
Oh
and Red Sox, don't give Snake all of the credit for this. Part of it is
definitely Sonic out for revenge for the absolute thrashing he got in
CBVII. |
The Mana Sword | Posted 12/23/2010 12:38:19 PM | message detail |
Brawl isn't going to win. If it's lucky it'll bring Majora's Mask down to around 800 votes. I'd be surprised if the lead dipped any lower than that. --- This is the kind of **** that allowed the Black Turtle win to happen. 5,000 dead brackets. Want that on your damn conscience, Zelda apologists? |
TheOneAboveAll | Posted 12/23/2010 12:38:35 PM | message detail |
* That was supposed to say CBVIII. |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/23/2010 12:38:51 PM | message detail |
Yeah,
the one advantage Brawl has left is that it should keep gaining right
through the end of the poll, wheras FFX basically stalled MM past 6 PM
yesterday. Right now yesterday MM was pulling in regular 40-50 vote
cuts though, while Brawl is barely doing better than treading water, so
the lead is probably just too big. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
XIII_rocks | Posted 12/23/2010 12:41:50 PM | message detail |
Yeah, Brawl is making cuts but nothing significant. Nothing anything like significant enough to come back. It's ovah. Would have been a barnbuster without the first 30 minutes favouring MM so heavily. Call that a tie and there's like, what, 800 votes in this? That'd be pretty tight. --- http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs462.ash1/25378_426337043573_299696888573_5469519_6175407_n.jpg |
HaRRicH | Posted 12/23/2010 12:42:48 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #345 This explains it then. From: UltimaterializerX | #193 Oh, so it was over-hyped for you? I get that. I don't remember people getting this upset about LoZ:TP not being LoZ:OoT though, or DMC2 not being DMC, or SF3 not being SF2...I'm not convinced people got this upset about SMS not being SM64, FF8 not being FF7, or LoZ:MM not being LoZ:OoT when they first came out, either. I trust tourney-players enjoy more than just the tourney-settings -- I'd certainly hope so, given the intention of the series -- but let's not act like the tourney-crowd isn't the most upset about this if you're representative of the community at all. Also, isn't "all these Brawl hacks" currently just two or maybe three? As for the line "it's not because we're elitists," lines like "we won't get into why a tournament player's opinion matters more than the average gamer" tells me elitism's playing a big part. I could also suggest SSBM was where the SSB-series deviated from the kind of gameplay Sakurai intended instead of SSBB, but I don't want to really argue that direction or imply SSBM is the exception of the series in a negative light. I do think SSBB could have carried the Gamecube in SSBM's place though. Again, if SSBM/SSBB would have gone all day, SSBB would have likely beaten SSBM worse. If this does indeed happen, then it's likely by controlling America more. Therefore, SSBB had a fine chance at taking America anyway, and a 51-49 loss in America doesn't tell me the tourney-scene means much here. California's the big tourney-hub, right? 53-47'ing SSBB there doesn't stress lots of tourney-love for it either. At least you've admitted it's melodramatic/petty/selfish. I sympathize with those who have games they love lose to games they hate, but not with people who are purposefully blowing it up. --- Nominate EPONA from LoZ:OoT, LoZ:MM, and LoZ:TP! http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg |
SubDeity | Posted 12/23/2010 12:44:44 PM | message detail |
It's amazing/ridiculous - how can you hate a game so much if you clearly love its core concept? Madness. Because fans are ridiculous, that's why. Also, when a game doesn't meet a person's expectations it aggravates dislike. The so-called "hardcore" Melee crowd didn't want a sequel; they wanted an expansion pack to Melee. It was almost inevitable that they'd hate it. |
XIII_rocks | Posted 12/23/2010 12:46:12 PM | message detail |
I love the notion that everything but the US is irrelevant because the US has tournaments. As an avid competitive Pokemon player (or I used to be one) - metagames. kill. everything. --- http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7315/ocelotpartycd1.gif Everybody loves nanomachines. |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/23/2010 12:46:40 PM | message detail |
Oh,
so it was over-hyped for you? I get that. I don't remember people
getting this upset about LoZ:TP not being LoZ:OoT though, or DMC2 not
being DMC, or SF3 not being SF2...I'm not convinced people got this
upset about SMS not being SM64, FF8 not being FF7, or LoZ:MM not being
LoZ:OoT when they first came out, either. None of those games beat their superior predecessor in a poll. If they had, there would be just as much complaining. --- DFF |
HaRRicH | Posted 12/23/2010 12:47:07 PM | message detail |
Also, as for Shakespearian words, I'll side with torture over assassinate! --- Nominate Epona...or else. http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/23/2010 12:48:12 PM | message detail |
Oh,
so it was over-hyped for you? I get that. I don't remember people
getting this upset about LoZ:TP not being LoZ:OoT though, or DMC2 not
being DMC, or SF3 not being SF2...I'm not convinced people got this
upset about SMS not being SM64, FF8 not being FF7, or LoZ:MM not being
LoZ:OoT when they first came out, either. That pretty much summarizes everything. I think the main problem is that Brawl is the more liked game while all the other examples the games are clearly less popular. Had Melee been the more prefered game by a lot (as in everyone would take Melee > Brawl precontest) I feel that the loudness of Brawl's hate would be a lot lower. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 268/384 Today's Winner: Super Smash Bros. Brawl |
KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/23/2010 12:48:35 PM | message detail |
MM
with an unbreakable lead...terrific stuff to wake up to. It proves it's
legit, too: Even if you discount every single Power Hour Vote beyond
what it'd take to keep up with Brawl, MM would still have a comfortable
7-800 vote lead. Such a beautiful thing. --- Placeholder anti-capslock sig. |
TheOneAboveAll | Posted 12/23/2010 12:48:50 PM | message detail |
Have we ever had a 24-hour match before where neither side got a single 60% update? |
XIII_rocks | Posted 12/23/2010 12:49:17 PM | message detail |
Well
actually that could be going too far, actually, but I hate the idea
that metagames are in some way a "better" way of looking at a game. And
I f***ing love playing Pokemon Online but it will never compare to the
actual games for me. Ever. --- http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/small/0810/colonel-metal-gear-solid-snake-colonel-demotivational-poster-1223416269.jpg |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/23/2010 12:49:40 PM | message detail |
People
compared it with SM64/SMS, and I respectfully have to say that SMS is a
much better game than Brawl. Sorry, but that's my opinion, and I'm sure
a lot of the Brawl hate crowd would say the same. SMS was a decent game
that was very underwhelming for a Mario game. If it weren't a Mario
game, I probably wouldn't have bought or played it, but if I had, I
would have enjoyed a few hours with it. Brawl is just plain unfun to me. 4-ways in Melee are unfun to me too, for that matter. I don't know how common these sentiments are (I think quite rare), but I think Smash Bros. as a series sucks as a party game, and its value is basically purely as a 1v1 or 2v2 fighter. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
XIII_rocks | Posted 12/23/2010 12:51:28 PM | message detail |
From: KanzarisKelshen | #368 MM winning a GotD contest is anything but "legit" and I say that with the greatest of respect. I mean I'm at least glad it's a game I haven't played and have no opinion of winning (rather than FFX, as it could have been), but I don't buy that MM has this much strength. --- http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/small/0810/colonel-metal-gear-solid-snake-colonel-demotivational-poster-1223416269.jpg |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/23/2010 12:53:54 PM | message detail |
MM
fodderized Wii Sports, doubled Chrono Chross, 55-45d GSC, 58-42d MGS3,
beat FFX, and is now beating Brawl. What part of that is not legit? --- DFF |
HaRRicH | Posted 12/23/2010 12:55:48 PM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #365 Which ought to make you reevaluate if you're justified being so upset here. People voted SSBB over SSBM here, and IGN had SSBB beat SSBM and SSB combined. Most SSBM-fans have moved on to SSBB pretty gracefully, even if they still prefer SSBM deep down...except a few adamant fans. The rest of the world isn't treating SSBB like it's SMS, and watching people do it here so melodramatically is petty and selfish, like Ulti said. --- Epona: your #1 trusty steed. http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/23/2010 12:56:09 PM | message detail |
The ASV/day vote is a complete stalemate right now. --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/25z1non.jpg Watch and you'll see... Turtle own me... in the Guru! |
Evillordexdeath | Posted 12/23/2010 12:57:01 PM | message detail |
Regardless
of any bandwagons or rallying that may be present, Majora's Mask has
shown that it is a legitimately strong contestant. --- Hi,hi,hi, you come buying? You can sell, too. I, Mr. Saturn, can do all for you. |
XIII_rocks | Posted 12/23/2010 12:58:09 PM | message detail |
Oh yeah, it's a strong game. I just think it's been pushed over the top by different, outside factors. --- http://i.imgur.com/j5f3K.gif |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/23/2010 12:58:35 PM | message detail |
I think Smash Bros. as a series sucks as a party game What? How? What party games do you like then? --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 268/384 Today's Winner: Super Smash Bros. Brawl |
AxemPink | Posted 12/23/2010 12:58:44 PM | message detail |
Considering
how strong 90's games and especially the core N64/PS1 games are on
gamefaqs, Majora's Mask winning almost makes sense. This probably
wouldn't happen on any other site, and without a little momentum,
rallying, and late contest zaniness I doubt MM would have quite pulled
this off. But it's really the perfect winner for a gamefaqs Game of the
Decade contest. |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/23/2010 12:59:45 PM | message detail |
I'm
sorry, but people here have whatever right to express whatever the hell
opinion they want about games, as long as they've given that game a
chance. If we think that Brawl beating Melee is a travesty, then that's
what were gonna say. There have been people here complaining about
every result under the sun - why are you getting all mad over Brawl
being the target this time? Because you like it? Sorry, but it doesn't
work that. --- DFF |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/23/2010 1:00:14 PM | message detail |
Oh yeah, it's a strong game. I just think it's been pushed over the top by different, outside factors. I sort of agree had this match happened in round 1 (still 24 hours) I would probably expect Brawl to win. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 268/384 Today's Winner: Super Smash Bros. Brawl |
RPGLord95 | Posted 12/23/2010 1:00:57 PM | message detail |
Is there even ASV? Xmas break right? --- Not changing this sig until the Bengals, Bills and Lions win the Super Bowl (10/10/10) And yes, RPGLord95 is godly enough to be called Lord. - Ulti |
The Mana Sword | Posted 12/23/2010 1:01:41 PM | message detail |
Nothin'
wrong with people complaining about Brawl beating Melee. It's no more
or less stupid than complaining about any other result. --- This is the kind of **** that allowed the Black Turtle win to happen. 5,000 dead brackets. Want that on your damn conscience, Zelda apologists? |
HaRRicH | Posted 12/23/2010 1:01:58 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #371 SMS's a pretty good game, I agree. Not for Mario's series so much, but pretty solid up to a point (after trying to replay it this year though, I better remember how bad the blue coins and some missions were). I also enjoy the hell out of one-on-one in all of the SSB-games -- I still remember wishing I could just play on Master Hand's level in the original, and I turned off all items before I knew there was a crowd who thought it was cool to do that. Four-ways are still great with friends for me, but if we're getting serious, hell yeah for one-on-one. --- Where's your horse? http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/23/2010 1:03:07 PM | message detail |
I'm
sorry, but people here have whatever right to express whatever the hell
opinion they want about games, as long as they've given that game a
chance. If we think that Brawl beating Melee is a travesty, then that's
what were gonna say. There have been people here complaining about
every result under the sun - why are you getting all mad over Brawl
being the target this time? Because you like it? Sorry, but it doesn't
work that. When most people complain they tend to stop, not continue for a week. It's the same reason why we laughed at SF2 fans or even Deus Ex fans earlier this contest. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 268/384 Today's Winner: Super Smash Bros. Brawl |
AxemPink | Posted 12/23/2010 1:03:13 PM | message detail |
WTF SSBM LOST!? --- ... |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/23/2010 1:05:33 PM | message detail |
Do
they really stop? I've complained about Crono/Sonic and Crono/Vincent
2007 for years. Not to mention Mario/Crono and Mario/Cloud, where the
controversy has continued for 7-8 years. Or how about Zelda always
winning? People complain about that all the time. There's nothing wrong with it really. The Melee/Brawl discussion is highly negative, just like the Mario/Samus discussion, but it was very predictable that it would turn out that way. It was unavoidable. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
The Mana Sword | Posted 12/23/2010 1:07:35 PM | message detail |
Actually, there ended up being far less Melee/Brawl fallout than I expected. So really it's not all that bad. --- This is the kind of **** that allowed the Black Turtle win to happen. 5,000 dead brackets. Want that on your damn conscience, Zelda apologists? |
KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/23/2010 1:07:46 PM | message detail |
From: XIII_rocks | #372 Do play it. You're seriously missing out. :) --- Placeholder anti-capslock sig. |
HaRRicH | Posted 12/23/2010 1:08:29 PM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #380 You're welcome to complain, but it's become less of a complaint and more of an agenda at this point from my perspective; this has gone on pretty much ever since Ulti made a topic about SSBB in March of 2008. I feel like I would have taken a gracious loss to SSBM as long as it wasn't a blow-out, and I have a pretty good record of not flipping out over favorites losing too. There's no need to accuse me of this after some of the reactions you've had over the years! =) Again though, like Ulti said, it's melodramatic and petty and selfish how this controversy's been handled by several (not all) SSBM-backers. You have the right to be that..... --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg EPONA EPONA EPONA |
XIII_rocks | Posted 12/23/2010 1:09:02 PM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #380 Because I don't think I've ever seen so many reasonable people so vindictive against a game as I have some of the anti-Brawl people. Random n00bs complaining about Deus Ex or whatever is just usual. The anti-Brawl thing just seems to turn everyone rabid, and like Harrich said, it's really melodramatic. --- "The great fallacy is that the game is first and foremost about winning. It's nothing of the kind. The game is about glory." - Danny Blanchflower |
HaRRicH | Posted 12/23/2010 1:10:27 PM | message detail |
...not
to insinuate you only believe SSBM > SSBB because of Ulti. It's just
become the cool thing to do on the board, not entirely unlike ranking
Umineko as one of the board's all-time greatest games. --- Love Epona. |
LOLContests | Posted 12/23/2010 1:11:12 PM | message detail |
http://www.gamefaqs.com/contribute/submit_contest_image.php "Bonus Battle: Link Vs. Santa" Yesssss!!!! Checked my feedback as well and: Message From GameFAQs on 12/23/2010 NEED MOAR IMAGES --- "Ahem! There is *sand* on my *boot*!"--Kefka Dr. Football beat me, Yesmar in the 2010 Guru Contest! |
TheOneAboveAll | Posted 12/23/2010 1:11:16 PM | message detail |
Brawl
is still winning each 10-minute update in NA by a decent amount now.
This might get very interesting once Europe goes to sleep. |
HaRRicH | Posted 12/23/2010 1:11:25 PM | message detail |
From: XIII_rocks | #391 Ulti's words, not mine. Melodramatic, petty, and selfish...though I will take credit for calling it petty before he did! --- Love Epona. |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/23/2010 1:11:47 PM | message detail |
The
weird thing about this ASV is that Brawl is about to flip the United
States into its column, but it hasn't translated into any real cutting. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
The Mana Sword | Posted 12/23/2010 1:11:52 PM | message detail |
Link with like 75% at least. --- This is the kind of **** that allowed the Black Turtle win to happen. 5,000 dead brackets. Want that on your damn conscience, Zelda apologists? |
HaRRicH | Posted 12/23/2010 1:12:09 PM | message detail |
From: LOLContests | #393 Awesome. Tomorrow will be fun. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg EPONA EPONA EPONA |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/23/2010 1:12:47 PM | message detail |
It's
just become the cool thing to do on the board, not entirely unlike
ranking Umineko as one of the board's all-time greatest games. What? It's become cool to hate Umineko, not love it. Have you ever seen the reactions to that ranking? There's a bunch of people every time who go I CAN'T BELIEVE WE RANKED UMINEKO GOD DAMNIT BOARD 8, with none of them having actually played it. And I had Brawl>Melee for a long time. This isn't a split-second decision. --- DFF |
KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/23/2010 1:13:19 PM | message detail |
From: LOLContests | #393 BEST. EVER. --- Placeholder anti-capslock sig. |
