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red sox 777 | Posted 12/21/2010 11:42:15 PM | message detail
WOW is an obvious exception (people clearly have VERY strong attachments to the game), but it's also a completely different case.
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SecksThaNemesis | Posted 12/21/2010 11:42:29 PM | message detail
Alright guys I'm back what'd I miss!
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/21/2010 11:42:30 PM | message detail

From: Lucid Faia | #298
Can you elaborate on this? You seem a bit out of touch... like one of those guys who insists that the cartoons/music/books he grew up with are better than ones younger generations are growing up with.


It's all about which games perfectly captured the spirit of their console generation, and became "THE" game to remember from it. Halo CE kinda, sorta had an argument for being THE game for the PS2/Xbox era, and I wouldn't be too surprised if it was considered the best game of its generation, much like OoT and FFVII were for their own. No such thing for this gen yet.
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Lucid Faia | Posted 12/21/2010 11:43:19 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #301
WOW is an obvious exception (people clearly have VERY strong attachments to the game), but it's also a completely different case.


WoW has more active subscriptions than FF7 has copies sold. People have met in WoW and gone on to marry IRL. Just throwing that out there.

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xp1337 | Posted 12/21/2010 11:43:20 PM | message detail
From: SecksThaNemesis | #302
Alright guys I'm back what'd I miss!

MM stalling it out for an hour or so.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/21/2010 11:43:45 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #301
WOW is an obvious exception (people clearly have VERY strong attachments to the game), but it's also a completely different case.


Yeah, people ARE attached to WoW...but not over everything else. It's something everyone plays but not exclusively, if it makes any sense.
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swordz9 | Posted 12/21/2010 11:44:28 PM | message detail
Final Fantasy X is almost 10 years old and it's really popular/loved. If you still count PS2 as this gen it should be loved even several years from now too. I imagine I'm one of the few people who wouldn't call FFVII or OoT "the" game of their console or generation too though.
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Lucid Faia | Posted 12/21/2010 11:44:30 PM | message detail

From: KanzarisKelshen | #303
It's all about which games perfectly captured the spirit of their console generation, and became "THE" game to remember from it. Halo CE kinda, sorta had an argument for being THE game for the PS2/Xbox era, and I wouldn't be too surprised if it was considered the best game of its generation, much like OoT and FFVII were for their own. No such thing for this gen yet.

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Because this generation actually has depth. There are more than four or five companies producing games that matter.

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red sox 777 | Posted 12/21/2010 11:45:22 PM | message detail
There's lead change #7.

Round 4 OOT/FFX: MM wins with 50.22%
Round 5 OOT/FFX: FFX wins with 50.79%

MM continues to improve with the projections.
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VioletZer0 | Posted 12/21/2010 11:45:41 PM | message detail

From: Lucid Faia | #304
WoW has more active subscriptions than FF7 has copies sold. People have met in WoW and gone on to marry IRL. Just throwing that out there.


Not to mention that World of Warcraft is a lot better than the general public gives it credit for. Especially after "The Shattering."
ffdgh1 | Posted 12/21/2010 11:45:43 PM | message detail
well atlease MM is keeping it close ☆_☆
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/21/2010 11:46:16 PM | message detail
Now FFX is starting to roll. I have a feeling Majora won't be seeing the lead again for a while. Let's hope it does, though!
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/21/2010 11:46:56 PM | message detail

From: Lucid Faia | #308
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Because this generation actually has depth. There are more than four or five companies producing games that matter.


And they have failed to unify gaming under a single banner. Which is why I'm scoffing at the games: the quality can be absolutely outstanding, but they can't build up a humongous fanbase.

From: swordz9 | #307
Final Fantasy X is almost 10 years old and it's really popular/loved. If you still count PS2 as this gen it should be loved even several years from now too. I imagine I'm one of the few people who wouldn't call FFVII or OoT "the" game of their console or generation too though.


Neither would I, as I consider SM64 and FF8 THE games of their respective consoles...but going from what the silent majority thinks, that's FF7 and OoT.
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KingofSpades209 | Posted 12/21/2010 11:46:58 PM | message detail
I think Final Fantasy X is going to win. They are gaining the edge with every update.
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xp1337 | Posted 12/21/2010 11:47:02 PM | message detail
From: Lucid Faia | #308
Because this generation actually has depth. There are more than four or five companies producing games that matter.

Which probably hurts the case, IMO.

With more options to choose from, I'd think you're more likely to end up with a bunch of pretty popular games as different people end up being able to have a wider pool to choose what appeals to them, but nothing so dominating as OoT/FFVII or anything else from times when there wasn't as much to latch on to.
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Lucid Faia | Posted 12/21/2010 11:47:05 PM | message detail

From: VioletZer0 | #310
Not to mention that World of Warcraft is a lot better than the general public gives it credit for. Especially after "The Shattering."


The general public loves WoW. It's the GameFAQs niche that seems to have a problem with it.

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MasterOfOrionII | Posted 12/21/2010 11:48:01 PM | message detail

From: Lucid Faia | #1401
You think children these days give a rat's ass about FF7, and won't cherish games like WoW and CoD4 the way the GameFAQs population cherishes mid-90s Nintendo / Square? Absurd.


There will definitely be games that this generation of kids will cherish.

Will those particular games be WoW and CoD4, hahaha, hell to the **** no.

From: red sox 777 | #1404
I have been saying MGS > FFX for ages now, so I'm open to the idea.


There's pretty much no way I see this being true anymore, if it ever was (which I don't know if it really was, I see MGS as probably being no more than roughly equal to FFX at its peak). Considering how utterly dronish the MGS fanbase was this year I can't see MGS1 being two levels above every other MGS game. That seems very unrealistic.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/21/2010 11:48:38 PM | message detail
I thought WoW had an even worse reputation among the general public than other well known games. See that South Park episode for reference.
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Lucid Faia | Posted 12/21/2010 11:49:12 PM | message detail

From: MasterOfOrionII | #317
Will those particular games be WoW and CoD4, hahaha, hell to the **** no.


Then what games?

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red sox 777 | Posted 12/21/2010 11:50:21 PM | message detail
What matters for these contests is what Gamefaqs thinks, not the general public. Nothing's ever going to come close to FFVII/OOT, not without some major major changes in the industry or the site or both. Right now, there's not enough energy for it. The closest we came to something with the chance to reach that echelon of strength was Brawl- it was the most hyped game we've had since contests started. But to match FFVII/OOT, it had to not just live up to the hype but smash the already absurdly high expectations.
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The Mana Sword | Posted 12/21/2010 11:50:26 PM | message detail
I think it's WoW players that have the more negative connotation in the eyes of the public, rather than the game itself.
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VioletZer0 | Posted 12/21/2010 11:50:51 PM | message detail

From: Lucid Faia | #316

From: VioletZer0 | #310
Not to mention that World of Warcraft is a lot better than the general public gives it credit for. Especially after "The Shattering."
The general public loves WoW. It's the GameFAQs niche that seems to have a problem with it.


Actually the general response to World of Warcraft is ''WoW? huh huh ur lifeless and addicted."

I actually found someone who had the audacity to say that Blizzard designs the game to be as addictive as possible with no reward to drive subscriptions up. Which is simply untrue.
xp1337 | Posted 12/21/2010 11:51:49 PM | message detail
From: Lucid Faia | #319
Then what games?

I'll take a stab at this.

It's not so much as they'll go for individual games, but go for entire series. It wouldn't be "Call of Duty 4" as much as "Call of Duty." I don't think that's all too surprising with how fast some of these games are released.
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The Mana Sword | Posted 12/21/2010 11:51:58 PM | message detail
I actually found someone who had the audacity to say that Blizzard designs the game to be as addictive as possible with no reward to drive subscriptions up. Which is simply untrue.

Erm...this isn't entirely false.
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Kotetsu534 | Posted 12/21/2010 11:55:01 PM | message detail
I think Skyward Sword or Mass Effect 3 could be quite big on GameFAQs. Next year certainly should grant us a game to rival SSBB/MGS4/FO3 from '08, I think.

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VioletZer0 | Posted 12/21/2010 11:55:20 PM | message detail

From: The Mana Sword | #324
I actually found someone who had the audacity to say that Blizzard designs the game to be as addictive as possible with no reward to drive subscriptions up. Which is simply untrue.

Erm...this isn't entirely false.


I guess you could bend one aspect of what they are trying to do to fit that description. You know what that aspect is?

Making the game as enjoyable as possible! But really, what good developer doesn't do that?
Lucid Faia | Posted 12/21/2010 11:55:31 PM | message detail
Guys, the original post that started all of this was when KK said that games from this generation would be remembered, but not "loved," and tied that back to an opinion that the 90s was "gaming's peak." The higher number of games released today, the more competitive state of the market, and the lack of an obvious "best game" does nothing to diminish how absurd that statement is.

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red sox 777 | Posted 12/21/2010 11:55:50 PM | message detail
There's pretty much no way I see this being true anymore, if it ever was (which I don't know if it really was, I see MGS as probably being no more than roughly equal to FFX at its peak). Considering how utterly dronish the MGS fanbase was this year I can't see MGS1 being two levels above every other MGS game. That seems very unrealistic.

Yeah, it probably isn't true anymore with how bad MGS has looked this year. Although, going through MGS3 and SOTC, MGS2 actually does better on FFX this year than what it did last year (38% without Kingdom Hearts, 42% with Kingdom Hearts), so maybe MGS could even beat it this year. I think MGS2 and MGS3 didn't suffer too much this year and it was mainly MGS4 flopping badly. The MGS fanbase does look very dronish right now, but I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and call it coincidence for now.
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Lucid Faia | Posted 12/21/2010 11:56:47 PM | message detail

From: VioletZer0 | #326
Making the game as enjoyable as possible! But really, what good developer doesn't do that?


And Blizzard's done a hell of a job, in that regard. WoW is twenty times as enjoyable and user-friendly than it was in 2004, and it won Gamespot's GOTY back then.

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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/21/2010 11:58:06 PM | message detail

From: Kotetsu534 | #325
I think Skyward Sword or Mass Effect 3 could be quite big on GameFAQs. Next year certainly should grant us a game to rival SSBB/MGS4/FO3 from '08, I think.


ME3 actually has the potential to be THE game, if it goes above and beyond the call of duty. It's had two AAA titles to build up hype with. If it finishes the series off with a bang, it will be MASSIVELY popular.

From: Lucid Faia | #327
Guys, the original post that started all of this was when KK said that games from this generation would be remembered, but not "loved," and tied that back to an opinion that the 90s was "gaming's peak." The higher number of games released today, the more competitive state of the market, and the lack of an obvious "best game" does nothing to diminish how absurd that statement is.


You pretty much willfully misread me though. You knew that I meant widespread, deep love and tried to misinterpret it into "yeah nobody LOVES these new games, what an idea, haw haw". So yeah, the conversation recovering from the derail is a good thing.
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MasterOfOrionII | Posted 12/21/2010 11:58:26 PM | message detail

From: Lucid Faia | #1559
Then what games?


RE4 for sure, probably stuff like Fallout 3. Maybe stuff like Mass Effect 2.

CoD4 will be considered classic for its genre, but due to the transient nature of FPS game popularity, I don't see it being cherished. Just the nature of the beast.

WoW will always have a huge stigma and never be truly respected by the mass gaming public. It will never be remotely comparable to something like RE4 in terms of public affection.
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Lucid Faia | Posted 12/22/2010 12:00:10 AM | message detail

From: KanzarisKelshen | #330
You pretty much willfully misread me though. You knew that I meant widespread, deep love and tried to misinterpret it into "yeah nobody LOVES these new games, what an idea, haw haw". So yeah, the conversation recovering from the derail is a good thing.


From: KanzarisKelshen | #261
When it matters, people remember FF7, SM64, OoT. Who will remember something from THIS gen 10 years from now? >_>


Way to contradict yourself.

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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/22/2010 12:01:39 AM | message detail
Finally, a lead over a 100 for FFX. When I wake up, I want it five times as much!
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Lucid Faia | Posted 12/22/2010 12:02:27 AM | message detail

From: MasterOfOrionII | #331
WoW will always have a huge stigma and never be truly respected by the mass gaming public.


It's arguably the most popular game in the world. Don't confuse a niche population with the "mass gaming public."

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/22/2010 12:02:49 AM | message detail
Alright, we've reached the true night vote. What's a good estimate as to how long FFX will have to build this lead? Like six hours? Assuming an average gain of 25 per update, FFX will lead by 1900 by 6 Pacific. That might be too much for even Zelda's day vote to break through.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/22/2010 12:02:50 AM | message detail

From: Lucid Faia | #332
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Way to contradict yourself.


No contradiction there. No current game rallies the masses at that level. I've got tons of games I dearly love from this gen, but I don't need to wait 10 years to know they won't endure through time as unmatched classics.
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Lucid Faia | Posted 12/22/2010 12:04:10 AM | message detail

From: KanzarisKelshen | #336
No contradiction there. No current game rallies the masses at that level. I've got tons of games I dearly love from this gen, but I don't need to wait 10 years to know they won't endure through time as unmatched classics.


I'm sorry, but I think my first impression was dead-on. "The games I grew up with were the best, the cartoons I grew up with were the best, today's music sucks, today's television shows suck, etc." You're that guy.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/22/2010 12:06:10 AM | message detail
MAJORA WITH THE NIGHT VOTE IT'S ALL OVER
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AxemPink | Posted 12/22/2010 12:06:24 AM | message detail
oh zelda
tee316 | Posted 12/22/2010 12:06:55 AM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #335
Alright, we've reached the true night vote. What's a good estimate as to how long FFX will have to build this lead? Like six hours? Assuming an average gain of 25 per update, FFX will lead by 1900 by 6 Pacific. That might be too much for even Zelda's day vote to break through.


And the next update MM gains.
Lucid Faia | Posted 12/22/2010 12:06:59 AM | message detail
Funny to see FFX with 9999 votes...

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red sox 777 | Posted 12/22/2010 12:07:26 AM | message detail
FFX crosses 100, and appears to finally be moving.

Majora's Mask by the hour:

1:00 | 50.12%
2:00 | 50.14%
3:00 | 48.44%

Projections:

Round 4 OOT/FFX: MM with 50.16%
Round 5 OOT/FFX: FFX with 50.64%

To reach the target of 1500 by 8 AM, FFX needs about 23 votes/update.
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The Mana Sword | Posted 12/22/2010 12:07:28 AM | message detail
How can anyone hope to win against a game that is good in every single time frame!
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ffdgh1 | Posted 12/22/2010 12:08:23 AM | message detail
soo wait, does this last for 12 hrs or 24?
anyway any games game =p
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-Tofa7- | Posted 12/22/2010 12:09:54 AM | message detail
It's a 24 hour match.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/22/2010 12:09:59 AM | message detail

From: Lucid Faia | #337
I'm sorry, but I think my first impression was dead-on. "The games I grew up with were the best, the cartoons I grew up with were the best, today's music sucks, today's television shows suck, etc." You're that guy.


Oh, the hilarity. You're trying to champion WoW as the most popular game ever, where popular doesn't mean money made but how fondly it is remembered. I don't think I need to say more.
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Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 12/22/2010 12:10:06 AM | message detail
This match and the final match are 24 hours long.
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Lucid Faia | Posted 12/22/2010 12:10:42 AM | message detail

From: KanzarisKelshen | #346
I don't think I need to say more.


Quite agreed.

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-Tofa7- | Posted 12/22/2010 12:10:50 AM | message detail
Although, if this was a 12 hour day match, do we think Majora would be taking it easily?
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/22/2010 12:11:16 AM | message detail
8 AM is the historical peak for Final Fantasy in Final Fantasy vs. Zelda. Mario and Zelda's day votes gets started quite early in the morning, around 8 typically instead of 9-10 or even later as with Smash, KH, and Halo. Although all the day votes have seemed to slowly start later and later as the years have progressed. But regardless, past 9 AM Zelda should be hitting hard with its day vote power.
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