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red sox 777 | Posted 12/21/2010 11:17:58 PM | message detail
Just when you think it's finally done with the stalling, MM wins another update. We've used up approximately half of the votes we're going to get by 8 AM. That's right, half the night vote is gone. FFX needs to do a lot of damage with the second half (needs to get about 55% with it to hit its target).
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The Real Truth | Posted 12/21/2010 11:18:07 PM | message detail
Winner of this match beats Brawl.
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MasterOfOrionII | Posted 12/21/2010 11:18:45 PM | message detail
I don't think there's much chance of FFX building a 4 digit lead. That'd require a massive night vote slaughter.

The Moon is a terrific choice, people would have a lot of fun with that. Although it would probably be labeled "Angry Moon", I like the simple "The Moon" better. Or perhaps the alliterative "Mad Moon"!

At this point I'm among those who've switched their minds on MM vs. TP - MM is probably indirectly equal, maybe even slightly higher. TP would likely be performing similarly against FFX here. MM's strength reflects that the N64 is still probably the top console at this site.

I do think that even if MM=TP, MM has a shot against Brawl if there's any anti-wagon for Brawl. If Brawl SFFed TP, then you could say that Brawl is maybe like 51%-51.50% indirectly on TP. If there's an anti-wagon, then MM should be able to resist SFF more easily. Which puts it close to Brawl. A wagon that puts it over Brawl is not inconceivable.

Harder to imagine this site rallying being FFX though. Zeldrones, the L.A.W., etc.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/21/2010 11:18:52 PM | message detail
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The Mana Sword | Posted 12/21/2010 11:19:28 PM | message detail
Zelda beat Brawl is it wins here. Momentum + LOL IT BEAT FINAL FANTASY LOL

Brawl wins if FFX wins because FINAL FANTASY ALWAYS WINS and anti-votes.
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Lucid Faia | Posted 12/21/2010 11:19:48 PM | message detail

From: The Real Truth | #252
Winner of this match beats Brawl.


I wish.

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The Mana Sword | Posted 12/21/2010 11:19:55 PM | message detail
*beats Brawl if it wins

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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/21/2010 11:19:56 PM | message detail

From: MasterOfOrionII | #253
I don't think there's much chance of FFX building a 4 digit lead. That'd require a massive night vote slaughter.

The Moon is a terrific choice, people would have a lot of fun with that. Although it would probably be labeled "Angry Moon", I like the simple "The Moon" better. Or perhaps the alliterative "Mad Moon"!

At this point I'm among those who've switched their minds on MM vs. TP - MM is probably indirectly equal, maybe even slightly higher. TP would likely be performing similarly against FFX here. MM's strength reflects that the N64 is still probably the top console at this site.

I do think that even if MM=TP, MM has a shot against Brawl if there's any anti-wagon for Brawl. If Brawl SFFed TP, then you could say that Brawl is maybe like 51%-51.50% indirectly on TP. If there's an anti-wagon, then MM should be able to resist SFF more easily. Which puts it close to Brawl. A wagon that puts it over Brawl is not inconceivable.

Harder to imagine this site rallying being FFX though. Zeldrones, the L.A.W., etc.


People who put this in doubt were delusional. It's actually highly highly likely FF8 is bigger than FFX, too, while we're at it. The PS1 and N64 represent gaming's peak to the newest generation.
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Lucid Faia | Posted 12/21/2010 11:21:02 PM | message detail

From: KanzarisKelshen | #258
The PS1 and N64 represent gaming's peak to the newest generation.


Only to GameFAQs contest voters, not the "newest generation" as a whole.

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red sox 777 | Posted 12/21/2010 11:21:47 PM | message detail
If MM can win this one, I'll be supporting FFX a lot more in the future instead of taking every opportunity to attack its contest strength. CT got put up in just this situation in 2009 against SM64, a Nintendo game that was much stronger than we expected, while FFX got lots of easy matches it couldn't realistically lose. If MM wins, that should cement CT's status as the #2 Square game fairly well.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/21/2010 11:23:03 PM | message detail

From: Lucid Faia | #259
Only to GameFAQs contest voters, not the "newest generation" as a whole.


Same thing, honestly. When it matters, people remember FF7, SM64, OoT. Who will remember something from THIS gen 10 years from now? >_>
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VioletZer0 | Posted 12/21/2010 11:23:10 PM | message detail
Look at the contest page.

Everyone voted that either SSBB or FFX would win. Imagine if Majora's Mask won and ****ed everyone's brackets.
xp1337 | Posted 12/21/2010 11:24:10 PM | message detail
I have to admit, as illogical as it is, a razor-thin MM victory would worry me the most regarding the true objective of defeating Brawl.

If MM had beaten FFX comfortably, I'd feel great about its chances against Brawl.
If FFX wins, by practically any margin, I absolutely do not count it out against Brawl, and probably take it to win.

But a really close MM win? I don't know, I get kind of nervous that it leaves too much room open for Brawl to find a way to escape, even if that makes no sense if I'd take FFX > Brawl.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/21/2010 11:24:15 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #260
If MM can win this one, I'll be supporting FFX a lot more in the future instead of taking every opportunity to attack its contest strength. CT got put up in just this situation in 2009 against SM64, a Nintendo game that was much stronger than we expected, while FFX got lots of easy matches it couldn't realistically lose. If MM wins, that should cement CT's status as the #2 Square game fairly well.


There's an FF8 in the way Sox...but I wouldn't be opposed to a GRUDGE MATCH to determine who Cloud's second in command is. And I agree that it has to be one of those.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/21/2010 11:24:29 PM | message detail
FFX should be ahead of FFVIII, but it should be close (like 53-47).
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/21/2010 11:25:10 PM | message detail

From: VioletZer0 | #262
Look at the contest page.

Everyone voted that either SSBB or FFX would win. Imagine if Majora's Mask won and ****ed everyone's brackets.


Best contest run of all time if it happens. Wouldn't be surprised if it straight-up beat L-Block in percentage.
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vcharon | Posted 12/21/2010 11:25:33 PM | message detail
Yeah if FFX doesn't start really pulling away soon it's doomed. It's already behind schedule to withstand the day vote.
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EvilNcr | Posted 12/21/2010 11:26:08 PM | message detail
Brawl won comfortably over TP. That's all I need to know to hope MM doesn't get to the finals.
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Evillordexdeath | Posted 12/21/2010 11:26:55 PM | message detail
I believe we are going to enter the total domination zone soon enough.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/21/2010 11:26:56 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #265
FFX should be ahead of FFVIII, but it should be close (like 53-47).


That's what we thought about MM and TP though...and here we are, with MM threatening to take it to the final and beyond. I'll admit some of this is fanboy talk, but FF8 is a practically untested entity, it's been stuck in an unwinnable position, and we have no good read on it...just like the other franchise dark horse. It sounds too good NOT to be true!
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Lucid Faia | Posted 12/21/2010 11:27:12 PM | message detail

From: KanzarisKelshen | #261
Same thing, honestly. When it matters, people remember FF7, SM64, OoT. Who will remember something from THIS gen 10 years from now? >_>


GameFAQs caters to a niche that isn't representative of the gamer population. Games today are more popular than ever.

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MasterOfOrionII | Posted 12/21/2010 11:27:39 PM | message detail
CT>FFX>=FFVIII

I don't see FFVIII being stronger than FFX. But they would be in the same ballpark.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/21/2010 11:27:43 PM | message detail
The thought of FF8 winning this contest is funny, and it's certainly possible!
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vcharon | Posted 12/21/2010 11:28:00 PM | message detail
MM has virtually no chance against Brawl, it simply is not going to be THAT much better than TP. It almost definitely is stronger, but it won't be nearly enough to stop Brawl from easily winning that match.

A boring time will be had by all for 24 hours if Zelda wins here.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/21/2010 11:28:46 PM | message detail
Brawl's utter failure with the day vote yesterday kind of worries me. Morning + ASV is probably pretty similar for Smash and Zelda (Zelda does much better with the morning, Smash does much better with the ASV), so the total change from the low point to the end should be about the same for Smash vs. FFX and Zelda vs. FFX. The problem is Brawl only gained 1% yesterday, and FFX will assuredly have well over 51% come morning.....I hope that means that Fallout 3 has a good day vote, and without a proper ASV, Brawl's day vote didn't look so great anymore, because its amazing ASV was averaged in with its lackluster morning.
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paerarru | Posted 12/21/2010 11:29:38 PM | message detail
WYOMING'd
KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/21/2010 11:30:49 PM | message detail

From: Lucid Faia | #271
GameFAQs caters to a niche that isn't representative of the gamer population. Games today are more popular than ever.


Popular? Sure. You got it. But what games are LOVED? That's the difference between gens. FF7 and OoT are, to many people "BAH GAWD THE GAME OF MY CHILDHOOD". You can't say that for many games this gen, if any at all.

From: UltimaterializerX | #273
The thought of FF8 winning this contest is funny, and it's certainly possible!


Imagine if it got in through a vote-in due to low popularity during noms and proceeded to get to the finals, like Missingno reborn. It would be glorious.
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MasterOfOrionII | Posted 12/21/2010 11:30:52 PM | message detail

From: vcharon | #1354
MM has virtually no chance against Brawl, it simply is not going to be THAT much better than TP. It almost definitely is stronger, but it won't be nearly enough to stop Brawl from easily winning that match.

A boring time will be had by all for 24 hours if Zelda wins here.


I don't see how you can say it is almost definitely stronger than TP, then discount it's chances.

If you say Brawl got even the slightest amount of SFF on TP - on top of TP probably doing better in a 24 hour match, let's not forget that - then Brawl's margin over MM becomes razor thin if, in fact, MM>=TP.

And anti-wagoning/"the finals is serious business!" boost should help MM resist SFF if nothing else.
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ffdgh1 | Posted 12/21/2010 11:30:53 PM | message detail
...if zelda wins this round, it will possibly lose 2 brawl...

if FFX wins, zelda fans will flock to brawl causing it to more than likely win...

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ctesjbuvf | Posted 12/21/2010 11:31:14 PM | message detail
Have you guys thought about that there probably wasn't any ASV at all yesterday?
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Lucid Faia | Posted 12/21/2010 11:31:59 PM | message detail

From: KanzarisKelshen | #277
Popular? Sure. You got it. But what games are LOVED? That's the difference between gens. FF7 and OoT are, to many people "BAH GAWD THE GAME OF MY CHILDHOOD". You can't say that for many games this gen, if any at all.


You think children these days give a rat's ass about FF7, and won't cherish games like WoW and CoD4 the way the GameFAQs population cherishes mid-90s Nintendo / Square? Absurd.

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xp1337 | Posted 12/21/2010 11:31:59 PM | message detail
From: EvilNcr | #268
Brawl won comfortably over TP. That's all I need to know to hope MM doesn't get to the finals.

I'd take MM > TP after MM's gauntlet and what's been happening here.

But really, I've been thinking about this in a much more round-about way, which I admit might be biased against Brawl because my hope since Melee lost has been for something to beat it.

I refuse to believe that after what Fallout 3 did to Brawl, that FFX isn't stronger, unless FFX and RE4 just both fell off a cliff or something. So really, if MM can beat FFX at all it should be fine unless Brawl somehow pulls out rSFF or something.

But it does get tricky when you bring it back to MM v TP. Because I'm not sure what MM needs to get on TP indirectly for it to be ahead of Brawl, what it needs to get on TP for it and FFX to be ahead of Brawl (obviously that would depend on where this ends up.) Plus, I'm also not convinced the Brawl that showed up in the semifinals is the same Brawl that showed up against Melee and TP. I always felt Fallout 3 was strong, but not that strong, so I'm not even entirely sure MM even needs to make that % on TP to win.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/21/2010 11:32:15 PM | message detail

From: vcharon | #274
MM has virtually no chance against Brawl, it simply is not going to be THAT much better than TP. It almost definitely is stronger, but it won't be nearly enough to stop Brawl from easily winning that match.

A boring time will be had by all for 24 hours if Zelda wins here.


It doesn't have to be much stronger, just loved enough to counter SFF and show its true strength. And guess what happens with MM? It's loved. Dearly, dearly loved by people who played it. It really has very little middle ground among its playerbase, and almost everyone who would vote for it here would take it over Brawl without a second thought.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/21/2010 11:32:42 PM | message detail
That's what we thought about MM and TP though...and here we are, with MM threatening to take it to the final and beyond. I'll admit some of this is fanboy talk, but FF8 is a practically untested entity, it's been stuck in an unwinnable position, and we have no good read on it...just like the other franchise dark horse. It sounds too good NOT to be true!

I'm mostly saying FFX > FFVIII because FFVIII got last place in the OOT/RBY/MGS/FFVIII match. But yeah, it's a 4-way and not that conclusive. I have been saying MGS > FFX for ages now, so I'm open to the idea.

As for MM and TP though, I've always gotten the feeling that the Zelda fanbase liked MM more. As in, there are a lot of people who consider MM their favorite Zelda game, while I've met very few who consider TP their favorite Zelda......and most of those aren't huge fans of the series. The game the core fanbase prefers usually wins, though this logic did fail in Melee vs. Brawl, so it's quite fallible.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/21/2010 11:32:47 PM | message detail
And Link catches his second wind! Zelda Total Domination Zone gogogogogo
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VioletZer0 | Posted 12/21/2010 11:33:02 PM | message detail
I am just hoping that Majora's Mask wins to make up for embarrassments like Mega Man 9 beating Demon's Souls. Or Fallout 3 beating Metroid Prime.
Kotetsu534 | Posted 12/21/2010 11:33:06 PM | message detail
Don't know how relevant it would be today, but FFX's biggest lead against Melee in '04 was 169, which came 4h20m into the poll. It went on to lose by 1545, chipping away ~500 off Melee's biggest lead in the late hours.

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ctesjbuvf | Posted 12/21/2010 11:33:16 PM | message detail
This is one of the best semi-finals we've had for a while.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/21/2010 11:34:36 PM | message detail
Have you guys thought about that there probably wasn't any ASV at all yesterday?

The ASV yesterday was very diluted, even more diluted than the ASV on Monday.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/21/2010 11:34:45 PM | message detail

From: Lucid Faia | #281
You think children these days give a rat's ass about FF7, and won't cherish games like WoW and CoD4 the way the GameFAQs population cherishes mid-90s Nintendo / Square? Absurd.


No, honestly. There's no Game of the Generation that is almost unanimously agreed upon. Don't look at GameFAQS here: look everywhere else. Has there been any sort of consensus on this sort of stuff? No? Exactly.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/21/2010 11:36:12 PM | message detail
Just recorded a great podcast episode. I recommend a listen tomorrow, especially for Leon, who has a few mentions.

Anyway, what an awesome match here. It looks like FFX won't really start building a lead until midnight PST. That's decent for Majora's Mask because it will mean FFX will only have, what, five hours to build that lead before the morning vote? Granted, those five hours should be huge, but will they be big enough to handle an entire Zelda day vote? Haven't had time to read anything here so I don't know what you guys are thinking, but I'm calling MM the extremely slight favorite.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/21/2010 11:36:33 PM | message detail
Yeah, we get a nice classic 2002/2003 style match today, with a first night vote, day vote starting in the morning, and a chance for the Square game to make a small comeback of its own with the second night vote.

And assuming this match is still in doubt at, say, noon, and the winner beats Brawl, and the final isn't really close, this match replaces Melee/Brawl as the match of the contest.
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ctesjbuvf | Posted 12/21/2010 11:37:24 PM | message detail

From: -LusterSoldier- | #289
The ASV yesterday was very diluted, even more diluted than the ASV on Monday.


Yes cause the children doesn't have school this close to christmas. Thier votes is therefore spread over the day. No surprise that Brawl didn't get a boost during the time the ASV normally is.
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xp1337 | Posted 12/21/2010 11:37:32 PM | message detail
Yeah, it's a little hard to see a single game taking hold like OoT or FFVII now. I mean, take Call of Duty. They release a new one pretty much every single year. The series might have the allegiance of a bunch of people, but any individual game among them? I'm not so sure.

WoW is in a better situation from that standpoint, but eh.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/21/2010 11:38:09 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #292
Yeah, we get a nice classic 2002/2003 style match today, with a first night vote, day vote starting in the morning, and a chance for the Square game to make a small comeback of its own with the second night vote.

And assuming this match is still in doubt at, say, noon, and the winner beats Brawl, and the final isn't really close, this match replaces Melee/Brawl as the match of the contest.


Pretty much. And if it turns out to be close, we'll get the first actually exciting final ever since...man, Zelda/FF in 2k6. It really has been a long time since we've had a contest that had an exciting final, hasn't it?
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/21/2010 11:38:32 PM | message detail
You think children these days give a rat's ass about FF7, and won't cherish games like WoW and CoD4 the way the GameFAQs population cherishes mid-90s Nintendo / Square? Absurd.

I actually don't think so. I mean, I guess we won't know for another 10 years, but I really don't think stuff like COD4 and Brawl are loved by this generation in the same way that OOT/FF7 were loved by the previous one.
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ctesjbuvf | Posted 12/21/2010 11:38:54 PM | message detail
There's no telling that the winner of this match beats Brawl.
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Lucid Faia | Posted 12/21/2010 11:39:14 PM | message detail

From: KanzarisKelshen | #290
No, honestly. There's no Game of the Generation that is almost unanimously agreed upon. Don't look at GameFAQS here: look everywhere else. Has there been any sort of consensus on this sort of stuff? No? Exactly.


Can you elaborate on this? You seem a bit out of touch... like one of those guys who insists that the cartoons/music/books he grew up with are better than ones younger generations are growing up with.

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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/21/2010 11:40:09 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #296
You think children these days give a rat's ass about FF7, and won't cherish games like WoW and CoD4 the way the GameFAQs population cherishes mid-90s Nintendo / Square? Absurd.

I actually don't think so. I mean, I guess we won't know for another 10 years, but I really don't think stuff like COD4 and Brawl are loved by this generation in the same way that OOT/FF7 were loved by the previous one.


Precisely. When the kids grow up they won't get teary eyed about a party member dying, or remember a faded screen of a hero and a princess looking at each other. There's been nothing like that, or like SMB3, or like CT/FF6/LttP in its time.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/21/2010 11:40:15 PM | message detail
We've never had a final that was in doubt past around 9 AM. So if we get our first truly close final tomorrow, that would be wonderful.
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