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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/21/2010 1:37:54 PM | message detail
Sudden anti-voting isn't a whackjob theory. It's happened in just about every contest we've ever had.

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transients | Posted 12/21/2010 1:38:51 PM | message detail
there's a difference between voting Melee and hating Brawl. you can vote Melee and still like Brawl - most people did or else Brawl would have been WAY weaker. the Melee backers generally overrate how much hate there is for Brawl because they hang around the anti-Brawl circles more.

that said, it's obviously there, though it is a clear minority
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/21/2010 1:39:11 PM | message detail
I have no idea how you can call it a vocal minority when Melee almost beat Brawl.

Again just because you prefer Melee doesn't make you anti-Brawl. Saying Brawl is the worst game ever while praising Melee is.
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HaRRicH | Posted 12/21/2010 1:39:21 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #248
I have no idea how you can call it a vocal minority when Melee almost beat Brawl.


From: charmander6000 | #245
people who give Melee 10/10 and Brawl 2/10 are and they are a very vocal minority.


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AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 12/21/2010 1:46:20 PM | message detail
I find it a lot harder to root for Brawl after KP took one of my testicles when it beat Melee.

Even if I don't hate Brawl like a lot of people here, add me to that vocal minority
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LOLContests | Posted 12/21/2010 1:49:38 PM | message detail
I think Link was anti-voted against Cloud. Cloud really struggled in the two matches prior and Link shredded Sonic and Mario like tissues. I was thinking Link would go for 55+ there.

I agree too, to an extent. Cloud struggled earlier because of anti-votes, but I think that he was legit weaker than he appeared as well, although I think he only overperformed a percent or two on Link.

This is a pretty horrible performance on Brawl's part today, tbqh. I would be willing to blame it on FO3 getting respect votes b/c of the name of the contest, but RE4 didn't seem to overperform any against FFX. Don't take that as a knock on FFX (I would vote for it over Brawl), but it's not like it's routinely put on critic's lists of Best of the Decade like the others mentioned are.
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pjbasis | Posted 12/21/2010 1:51:16 PM | message detail
The implications would be huge if it turns out FO3 is just that legit.
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/21/2010 1:52:20 PM | message detail
What kind of person uses proper literary italics on a message board?
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transients | Posted 12/21/2010 1:55:08 PM | message detail
and not only that, but only for Brawl. it's like he's trying to sneer at Brawl and failing horribly at it.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/21/2010 1:56:16 PM | message detail
If it was anyone else I'd agree, but Yesmar is legitimately this pretentious about every possible thing.
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LOLContests | Posted 12/21/2010 2:04:07 PM | message detail
I've been putting titles in italics for a while now. Not sure why I'm being attacked for this at this moment.

I'm sorry if people don't like me, but that's no reason to attack all my posts in the stats topic that anyone might disagree with, or even ones like this. I try to be as polite as I can, and I'm sorry if you have a problem with my posting, but that's no reason to make fun of me.

Ulti has been going after anything remotely debateable I say in this topic off and on for a while now when I've done nothing to him. I didn't want to bring it up earlier and drag the Stats Topic off topic, but it's very bothersome. I enjoy posting in these topics, and I don't appreciate having someone target me whenever I make a post.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/21/2010 2:06:42 PM | message detail
God, quit being such an obvious Ulti stalker, Yesmar, holy s*** dude
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Haste_2 | Posted 12/21/2010 2:06:51 PM | message detail
Perhaps Brawl is much weaker than Melee, but was able rSFF because it goes something like this: more people like Melee than like Brawl, but for those who like both, most prefer Brawl!

Either that or it's just a cool thing to hate Brawl all of a sudden because of the vocal anti-Brawlers spreading their opinion around. Maybe it's a similar phenomenon to why Sephiroth can't compete with Cloud like he used to in the polls.

But the fact remains that Brawl beat Melee and no one can take that away! Mwahahahahaha!!!!! >:)

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nintendogirl1 (Moderator) | Posted 12/21/2010 2:09:13 PM | message detail
I've been putting titles in italics for a while now. Not sure why I'm being attacked for this at this moment.

You seem to have missed FO3, FFX and RE4 in that post. They're all titles to the best of my knowledge and if you claim they're not the full titles, I'll direct you towards Super Smash Brothers Brawl.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/21/2010 2:10:42 PM | message detail

From: LOLContests | #261
I've been putting titles in italics for a while now. Not sure why I'm being attacked for this at this moment.

I'm sorry if people don't like me, but that's no reason to attack all my posts in the stats topic that anyone might disagree with, or even ones like this. I try to be as polite as I can, and I'm sorry if you have a problem with my posting, but that's no reason to make fun of me.

Ulti has been going after anything remotely debateable I say in this topic off and on for a while now when I've done nothing to him. I didn't want to bring it up earlier and drag the Stats Topic off topic, but it's very bothersome. I enjoy posting in these topics, and I don't appreciate having someone target me whenever I make a post.


I've legitimately only gone after you specifically for the Italics thing. If you happen to post things that are dumb/wrong/self-centered beyond that (like 24 hour matches being better than 12 because 12's don't mean anything or whatever it was, like seriously what in the F?), I do that with everyone.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/21/2010 2:16:34 PM | message detail

From: LOLContests | #463
24 hours > all.

Matches become completely interchangeable and unmemorable in a 12 hour format, and there's barely any comebacks. You basically have to rely on matches being wire to wire the whole time for a close match to be good. If there's a boring meaningless match in 24 hours, that's the bracket's fault, not the format. It shouldn't be hard to create a 64 entrant bracket where almost every match tells us or does something interesting.


God himself could have made this post and I'd have attacked it for being so awful. If matches are so "interchangeable and unmemorable", why are you even here? I'm not attacking you personally at all, I seriously want an answer as to how you could prefer 24 hour matches. Most people here could never sit through a full 24 hour contest again.

We'll ignore you pretending your opinion is how it goes for everyone else, since I'm guilty of doing that more than everyone else put together.
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LOLContests | Posted 12/21/2010 2:18:04 PM | message detail
You seem to have missed FO3, FFX and RE4 in that post. They're all titles to the best of my knowledge and if you claim they're not the full titles, I'll direct you towards Super Smash Brothers Brawl.

FO3, FFX and RE4 are all abbreviations, not just a shortening of the title. This is how I've been doing things for like a year now. I'm not doing it to "belittle" SSBB or something like that.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/21/2010 2:19:25 PM | message detail

From: LOLContests | #267
You seem to have missed FO3, FFX and RE4 in that post. They're all titles to the best of my knowledge and if you claim they're not the full titles, I'll direct you towards Super Smash Brothers Brawl.

FO3, FFX and RE4 are all abbreviations, not just a shortening of the title. This is how I've been doing things for like a year now. I'm not doing it to "belittle" SSBB or something like that.


As a note, I also make fun of review writers who do this. I can appreciate not being intellectually lazy on a message board, but certain things just come off weird. Maybe it's just me.
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Mumei | Posted 12/21/2010 2:21:26 PM | message detail
I'm not doing it to "belittle" SSBB or something like that.

You should, because SSBB totally deserves to be belittled.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/21/2010 2:21:58 PM | message detail

From: Mumei | #269
I'm not doing it to "belittle" SSBB or something like that.

You should, because SSBB totally deserves to be belittled.


Vouch.
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LOLContests | Posted 12/21/2010 2:29:30 PM | message detail
I'm not attacking you personally at all, I seriously want an answer as to how you could prefer 24 hour matches. Most people here could never sit through a full 24 hour contest again.

I explained in my original post why I prefer 24 hours for close matches, plus the fact that it's 24 hours of excitement instead of just 12. You can't get that with 12 hour matches unless you have two close ones in a row, which other than Cloud/Samus and Sephiroth/Snake has never happened. I'm a big vote trend guy and you don't get that with 12 hours.

I just prefer a slower pace for things in general. In 24 hours, you get time to comprehend each match; it doesn't go by so fast. If you get caught up with work, or stay out late, you can (almost) completely miss a 12 hour match, especially night matches. Just like 4 ways, IMO, the bad matches are less bad in theory, but at the sacrifice of good matches.
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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 12/21/2010 2:31:57 PM | message detail
I am pretty sure that if FF X wins tomorrow in the final match it will get antivoted because people will see that it is in a battle 2 days in a row and will assume that FF always wins and thus they will antivote it.Also will you UltimaterializerX do a post match analysis in all the matches after the contest is over?
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Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 12/21/2010 2:33:03 PM | message detail
Extended matches for when it's reasonably close is the ideal solution, as long as the contest can spare a few extra days added on.
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__Smurf__ | Posted 12/21/2010 2:33:06 PM | message detail
yeah, I think this is up in the air between the three remaining games. Majora could beat FFX, FFX could beat Brawl, and Brawl should beat Majora but I don't know. I'm not 100% that TP is stronger than Majora at this point.

good contest


Definitely, refreshing to be this deep into the contest and still not be certain about the overall winner.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/21/2010 2:35:10 PM | message detail
I don't think good matches have been sacrificed. The good ones still feel good; we just get less excited nowadays because we've pretty much seen it all and have a much easier time predicting what's around the corner/next voting bloc.
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HaRRicH | Posted 12/21/2010 2:35:19 PM | message detail
Yesmar's getting quite the over-reaction from Ulti.

The post didn't say anything factually wrong, and I wouldn't entirely disagree with the opinion-parts of it. When you spend a day on one match instead of two, that'll help make them more memorable. When there were half as many matches per contest as there are today, that'll help too. The contest will still be remembered damn well, but naturally speaking, individual full-day matches of yesteryear should be more memorable than individual half-day matches -- especially since contest matches were newer to us then than anything can be again here.
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Lopen | Posted 12/21/2010 2:37:50 PM | message detail
How about that godly Brawl ASV that was gonna take it over 57% huh
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EvilNcr | Posted 12/21/2010 2:38:40 PM | message detail
And how would it manage to do that when it doesn't even have 56% in NA?
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/21/2010 2:41:12 PM | message detail
Brawl has already gained half a percent from its lowest point, and we've still got the California ASV. Good Christ.
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LOLContests | Posted 12/21/2010 2:47:52 PM | message detail
I'm not saying that good matches aren't good; just that I can't think of any 12 hour matches being on par with some of the greats we've had in previous years. Crono Vs. Missingno is the only one I'd consider.

Not to mention that the last of good matches the past two year that would be better in 24 hours is much longer than vice versa.

We have the following "Better in 24" matches, IMO:
Dante Vs. Ryu
TF2 Vs. Fable
Warcraft III Vs. Morrowind
GTA IV Vs. Pokemon
Cecil Vs. Knuckles*
Ike Vs. Zidane*
Ken Vs. Wesker
Missingno Vs. Yoshi
KH Vs. KH2*
NSMBWii Vs. MvC2
-Plus others, I'm sure.

*Ike and Knuckles would have still won, but we'd have gotten to see comebacks at least.

As opposed to what for pro 12 hours? Red Vs. Ocelot, Cloud Vs. Samus and SOTC's matches?
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pjbasis | Posted 12/21/2010 2:52:10 PM | message detail
Some people are pretty damn concerned with proving their opinion with empirical evidence.
Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 12/21/2010 2:53:25 PM | message detail
Plus I'd really like to see a 24 hour match starting from Noon. Haven't gotten a look at the glorious second night vote since we moved away from Pacific time.
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paerarru | Posted 12/21/2010 2:53:40 PM | message detail
Legit.

Legit, legit, legit.

2 LEGIT 2 QUIT!

Brawl doesn't get anti-voted, geez. Brawl gets PRO-voted. You people are such flippers.
charmander6000 | Posted 12/21/2010 2:57:34 PM | message detail
Plus I'd really like to see a 24 hour match starting from Noon. Haven't gotten a look at the glorious second night vote since we moved away from Pacific time.

The dead zone would be even deader.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/21/2010 3:24:03 PM | message detail
The dead zone would be even deader.

Probably. Back in October when there was a 40 hour poll, the dead zone was very dead when it came around for the second time in the poll. The second dead zone got updates with as low as 30 votes per update. In the last 16 hours of the poll (starting from the 24 hour mark when it should have closed), hourly vote totals looked like this:

1:00 | 1577
2:00 | 1185
3:00 | 938
4:00 | 706
5:00 | 535
6:00 | 558
7:00 | 619
8:00 | 713
9:00 | 819
10:00 | 907
11:00 | 1122
12:00 | 1148
1:00 | 1209
2:00 | 1217
3:00 | 1159
4:00 | 1110

The poll had 66369 votes at the 24 hour mark and went on to finish at 81891 votes. Had it been a full 48 hour poll, it would have been on course for about 89000 votes. Too bad Bacon had to stop the poll 8 hours early just to put up a poll that only lasted for 8 hours (more like 9 hours due to a poll glitch).
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Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 12/21/2010 3:33:09 PM | message detail
Luster Soldier, are you using the link creativename gave a while back to manually cause the poll updater to update or did creativename fix the poll updater?
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/21/2010 3:34:27 PM | message detail
I am not using the link to trigger poll updates, so I think creativename fixed the poll updater already.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/21/2010 3:36:42 PM | message detail
Wow, F3 almost managed a cut a few minutes ago.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/21/2010 3:40:28 PM | message detail
Yeah, Fo3 has had these random almost-cuts through most of the day. I just think it points to how boring the % changes are. And we get twice as much as normal. Woot 24 hour matches.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/21/2010 3:44:41 PM | message detail
We're on pace for some rather lackluster votals as well. Link/Mario (the first semifinal from early this year) is 5000 ahead of this. Link/Cloud still put up 129,000 though, so maybe we'll get something big as fanbases clash in the last two days.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/21/2010 4:25:24 PM | message detail
http://image.com.com/gamefaqs/images/gotd/gotd-126-1.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamefaqs/images/gotd/gotd-126-2.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamefaqs/images/gotd/gotd-126-3.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamefaqs/images/gotd/gotd-126-4.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamefaqs/images/gotd/gotd-126-5.jpg

Holy crap, there are TWO Tidus vs. FDL pics, front and center. lulz
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transients | Posted 12/21/2010 4:30:53 PM | message detail
3, 4 and 5 are kind of not good.
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 12/21/2010 4:33:42 PM | message detail
3, 4 and 5 are great
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Lopen | Posted 12/21/2010 4:35:13 PM | message detail
4 is awesome. Only good pic there imhhho. 1 and 2 are cluttered messes.
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FFaddict1313 | Posted 12/21/2010 4:40:30 PM | message detail
From: LOLContests | Posted: 12/21/2010 5:47:52 PM | #280
I'm not saying that good matches aren't good; just that I can't think of any 12 hour matches being on par with some of the greats we've had in previous years. Crono Vs. Missingno is the only one I'd consider.

Not to mention that the last of good matches the past two year that would be better in 24 hours is much longer than vice versa.

We have the following "Better in 24" matches, IMO:
Dante Vs. Ryu
TF2 Vs. Fable
Warcraft III Vs. Morrowind
GTA IV Vs. Pokemon
Cecil Vs. Knuckles*
Ike Vs. Zidane*
Ken Vs. Wesker
Missingno Vs. Yoshi
KH Vs. KH2*
NSMBWii Vs. MvC2
-Plus others, I'm sure.

*Ike and Knuckles would have still won, but we'd have gotten to see comebacks at least.

As opposed to what for pro 12 hours? Red Vs. Ocelot, Cloud Vs. Samus and SOTC's matches?


But how many of these matches would've happened if we had to have a smaller bracket in exchange for 24 hour matches throughout?
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/21/2010 4:50:25 PM | message detail

From: transients | #292
3, 4 and 5 are kind of not good.


4 is awesome and you're a grinch for saying otherwise.

Actually all 5 of those pictures are awesome, but Allen using my Christmas special rocks.
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Lopen | Posted 12/21/2010 4:51:45 PM | message detail
4's the Ulti pic huh

Finally a pic of yours I can actually say is good HEH HEH
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Lopen | Posted 12/21/2010 4:52:26 PM | message detail
Unless of course you did this one for today

http://image.com.com/gamefaqs/images/gotd/gotd-125-5.jpg

Which is also amazing
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/21/2010 4:56:52 PM | message detail
I have no clue who did 5, but yes I agree it's outstanding and probably the best of the bunch.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/21/2010 4:57:02 PM | message detail

From: Lopen | #297
4's the Ulti pic huh

Finally a pic of yours I can actually say is good HEH HEH


I got owned
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