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Not_Wylvane | Posted 12/20/2010 12:12:02 PM | message detail
And GameFAQs voters have shown they have intelligence in a lot of instances.

Each voter is a person who has distinct tastes. It's just that a lot of them enjoy Zelda games more than most other games. Doesn't make them drones, unless you consider someone who has different tastes than you a drone, and I can see Board 8 users having the immaturity to think that.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 12/20/2010 12:12:33 PM | message detail
OoT is genuinely well-respected. Link really doesn't have much business winning contests, musical language or not, and none of the other Zelda games do.


Trying to argue that Majora's Mask being Game of the Decade is anything other than the result of Zelda drones is a complete non-starter.
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FFDragon | Posted 12/20/2010 12:13:15 PM | message detail
Majora's Mask is the best 3D Zelda, so it isn't all too surprising.
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 12/20/2010 12:13:33 PM | message detail
So if MM wins, it'll be because of Zelda drones.

Never mind the fact that Brawl already beat a Zelda game.

It's almost as if... THE MORE POPULAR GAMES WIN
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 12/20/2010 12:14:02 PM | message detail

From: XIII_rocks | #202
OoT is genuinely well-respected. Link really doesn't have much business winning contests, musical language or not, and none of the other Zelda games do.


Trying to argue that Majora's Mask being Game of the Decade is anything other than the result of Zelda drones is a complete non-starter.


A large portion of GameFAQs disagrees with you.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 12/20/2010 12:14:40 PM | message detail

From: Lightning Strikes | #204
So if MM wins, it'll be because of Zelda drones.

Never mind the fact that Brawl already beat a Zelda game.

It's almost as if... THE MORE POPULAR GAMES WIN


That's just Smash drones being bigger losers than the Zelda drones!

A shame GameFAQs doesn't have more Fallout drones!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/20/2010 12:17:37 PM | message detail
Last night's chart:

Time | FFX | RE4 | Votes
0:05 | 53.09% | 46.91% | 1183
1:00 | 55.19% | 44.81% | 8097
2:00 | 54.78% | 45.22% | 6152
3:00 | 57.06% | 42.94% | 4129
4:00 | 56.25% | 43.75% | 3006
5:00 | 58.99% | 41.01% | 2702
6:00 | 59.04% | 40.96% | 2434
7:00 | 58.78% | 41.22% | 2756
8:00 | 58.52% | 41.48% | 2963
9:00 | 58.62% | 41.38% | 3301
10:00 | 57.31% | 42.69% | 3694
11:00 | 56.95% | 43.05% | 4023
12:00 | 55.92% | 44.08% | 4274

YOUR CONTEST CHAMPION, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN

Third Quarter Stats

Final Fantasy X – 50.00%
Resident Evil 4 – 43.19%
Portal – 38.47%
Final Fantasy IX – 36.93%
Mass Effect – 35.15%
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic – 34.66%
Golden Sun – 34.34%
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas – 31.81%
Final Fantasy XII – 30.79%
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City – 29.64%
Borderlands – 29.17%
Devil May Cry – 29.08%
Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII – 27.31%
Fire Emblem – 27.29%
Skies of Arcadia – 26.57%
Tales of Vesperia – 25.94%
Baldur’s Gate II: Shadows of Amn – 25.30%
Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4 – 25.29%
Dead Rising – 25.15%
The World Ends With You – 24.70%
Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 – 22.99%
Viewtiful Joe – 22.54%
Dead Space – 21.98%
Gears of War 2 – 21.95%
Civilization IV – 21.91%
Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal – 21.81%
Silent Hill 2 – 21.60%
Plants vs. Zombies – 21.39%
Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 2 – 19.37%
Braid – 18.23%
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations – 18.32%
Jet Grind Radio – 15.42%
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XIII_rocks | Posted 12/20/2010 12:20:35 PM | message detail
No, Link has absolutely no business winning contests, let alone being the unbeatable powerhouse he has developed into.

Look, I respect the Zelda series. Personally it bores me a little, but I respect its impact on gaming and the extraordinarily high production values of every major iteration in the series. OoT winning contests is understandable, same as with FFVII, much as I hate the latter. It's got that magic, both did a lot to bring people into their respective genres, both somewhat innovative, yeah. Grudgingly prepared to accept their place near the top of the tree, it's kind of hard NOT to if you're being fair about it.

Its runt cousin being the best game of the superb decade in question is not justifiable and can only be a drone thing.

*sees Zelda*
*votes*

It's just how it is, unfortunanately. *shrug*
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Jmast7 | Posted 12/20/2010 12:21:23 PM | message detail
Golden Sun being that high up gives me a warm fuzzy inside. ^_^
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 12/20/2010 12:23:29 PM | message detail
But you know, all this talk about whatever game not deserving it is ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. Just because you don't think it does doesn't mean the game doesn't have its place in the gaming world and most notably, the hearts of fans.

The vast majority of the bracket, perhaps the entire bracket, could be argues as game of the decade, and probably are game of the decade to someone. They're all pretty important, well loved games so I don't see why anyone would whine beyond simple intolerance for other's opinions. Hell, all of the division winners are huge selling, excellently reviewed games that put their series on the map in some way.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 12/20/2010 12:23:53 PM | message detail
No, Link has absolutely no business winning contests, let alone being the unbeatable powerhouse he has developed into.

To expand, Mario has a similar lack of character but a) it's freaking Mario, he's just different to Link and b) Mario is very much mortal. Loses matches fairly often and only wins contests when the best competitors are removed. Link is just...yeah, sure, you grow a great attachment to him. Not denying that one.

Not sure that justifies him being the single most dominant force in these contests.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/20/2010 12:24:35 PM | message detail
Skies of Arcadia in the top half of two divisions?

That'll do, GameFAQs. That'll do.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/20/2010 12:25:18 PM | message detail
Preliminary fourth quarter stats:

The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask – 50.00%
Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal – 44.05%
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker – 43.21%
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater – 42.63%
Shadow of the Colossus – 42.10%
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty – 42.07%
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots – 41.74%
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion – 37.85%
Diablo 2 – 37.67%
Paper Mario – 36.24%
Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door – 33.94%
Assassin’s Creed II – 33.83%
Chrono Cross – 32.90%
God of War II – 31.15%
Marvel vs. Capcom 2 – 30.82%
Assassin’s Creed – 30.48%
New Super Mario Bros. Wii – 29.86%
World of Warcraft – 29.61%
SoulCalibur II – 28.42%
Gears of War – 27.27%
The Sims – 25.81%
ICO – 25.79%
Mario Kart Wii – 25.67%
Banjo-Tooie – 25.51%
Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King – 25.08%
Animal Crossing – 24.55%
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney – 23.88%
Advance Wars – 23.54%
Katamari Damacy – 20.20%
TimeSplitters 2 – 19.74%
Eternal Darkness: Sanity’s Requiem – 19.35%
Wii Sports – 16.60%
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XIII_rocks | Posted 12/20/2010 12:26:12 PM | message detail

From: Lightning Strikes | #210
But you know, all this talk about whatever game not deserving it is ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. Just because you don't think it does doesn't mean the game doesn't have its place in the gaming world and most notably, the hearts of fans.

The vast majority of the bracket, perhaps the entire bracket, could be argues as game of the decade, and probably are game of the decade to someone. They're all pretty important, well loved games so I don't see why anyone would whine beyond simple intolerance for other's opinions. Hell, all of the division winners are huge selling, excellently reviewed games that put their series on the map in some way.


If MM wins it deserves to win. No cheating involved, it's not a sporting contest where it was outplayed, it just got more votes.

I'm discussing the motive behind those votes - and like I said, MM is OoT's inferior runt cousin. It should have no business winning this, but if it does, it does. I just think it will have done because of the Zelda name more than the game's quality. It's what Zelda fans from that era/age are voting for instead of the ineligible OoT.
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Jmast7 | Posted 12/20/2010 12:29:08 PM | message detail
On the other hand, Eternal Darkness being that low makes me sad. =(
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SnoicFactor | Posted 12/20/2010 12:30:13 PM | message detail
jeez, zelda drones really have no mind of their own
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transients | Posted 12/20/2010 12:35:26 PM | message detail
another day, another drone argument!

I ended up being fairly right about Chrono Cross having decent strength. I just didn't expect Majora's Mask to be approximately equal to TP, which is what it seems like it is.

wish we could see TP vs. MM. it's like FF8 vs. FF10, right down to the order of release from its big brother (OOT being FF7 in this case)
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transients | Posted 12/20/2010 12:35:48 PM | message detail
hey Leon, another request -- 50/50 Majora/FFX
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TRE Public Account | Posted 12/20/2010 12:38:00 PM | message detail
GSC was expected to be about as strong as or maybe a bit stronger than MGS4 during the day. GSC wasn't as strong as we thought but the MGS series had proven to be even worse. What MM is doing today isn't really all that much more impressive than what it did to GSC. Not to say this result is bad or anything but most of the blame should go to MGS3 for not being as strong as it used to be.
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Assassin_Thane | Posted 12/20/2010 12:38:58 PM | message detail

From: XIII_rocks | #202
OoT is genuinely well-respected. Link really doesn't have much business winning contests, musical language or not, and none of the other Zelda games do.


Trying to argue that Majora's Mask being Game of the Decade is anything other than the result of Zelda drones is a complete non-starter.




Yeah but you're forgetting one important fact. FFVII, OoT..LttP..Chrono Trigger....these games are NOT in this contest. Someone has to win. Melee/Brawl were fav...FFX is up there, MM isn't a million miles away from those games. So you couldn't be more wrong.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 12/20/2010 12:39:27 PM | message detail
TP would kick MM's ass. The bottom two divisions are almost as pathetic as the first two.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/20/2010 12:42:41 PM | message detail

From: transients | #218
hey Leon, another request -- 50/50 Majora/FFX


Final Fantasy X – 50.01%
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask - 50.00%
Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal - 44.05%
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker - 43.21%
Resident Evil 4 – 43.19%
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater - 42.63%
Shadow of the Colossus - 42.10%
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty - 42.07%
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots - 41.74%
Portal – 38.47%
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - 37.85%
Diablo 2 - 37.67%
Final Fantasy IX – 36.93%
Paper Mario - 36.24%
Mass Effect – 35.15%
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic – 34.66%
Golden Sun – 34.34%
Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door - 33.94%
Assassin's Creed II - 33.83%
Chrono Cross - 32.90%
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas – 31.81%
God of War II - 31.15%
Marvel vs. Capcom 2 - 30.82%
Final Fantasy XII – 30.79%
Assassin's Creed - 30.48%
New Super Mario Bros. Wii - 29.86%
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City – 29.64%
World of Warcraft - 29.61%
Borderlands – 29.17%
Devil May Cry – 29.08%
SoulCalibur II - 28.42%
Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII – 27.31%
Fire Emblem – 27.29%
Gears of War - 27.27%
Skies of Arcadia – 26.57%
Tales of Vesperia – 25.94%
The Sims - 25.81%
ICO - 25.79%
Mario Kart Wii - 25.67%
Banjo-Tooie - 25.51%
Baldur’s Gate II: Shadows of Amn – 25.30%
Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4 – 25.29%
Dead Rising – 25.15%
Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King - 25.08%
The World Ends With You – 24.70%
Animal Crossing - 24.55%
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - 23.88%
Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 – 22.99%
Advance Wars - 23.54%
Viewtiful Joe – 22.54%
Dead Space – 21.98%
Gears of War 2 – 21.95%
Civilization IV – 21.91%
Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal – 21.81%
Silent Hill 2 – 21.60%
Plants vs. Zombies – 21.39%
Katamari Damacy - 20.20%
TimeSplitters 2 - 19.74%
Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 2 – 19.37%
Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem - 19.35%
Braid – 18.23%
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations – 18.32%
Wii Sports - 16.60%
Jet Grind Radio – 15.42%
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transients | Posted 12/20/2010 12:44:07 PM | message detail
that looks.. pretty good, actually.
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ctesjbuvf | Posted 12/20/2010 12:44:25 PM | message detail

From: Jmast7 | #215
On the other hand, Eternal Darkness being that low makes me sad. =(


Eternal Darkness might actually end up as the ultimate loser this contest.
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ZFS | Posted 12/20/2010 12:45:05 PM | message detail
Shadow of the Colossus - 42.10%
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty - 42.07%
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots - 41.74%
Portal – 38.47%
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - 37.85%
Diablo 2 - 37.67%
Final Fantasy IX – 36.93%


so good

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Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 12/20/2010 12:45:19 PM | message detail
What does FFX get on Wind Waker last year? That's probably about where MM will land next round.
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/20/2010 12:45:19 PM | message detail
Eh, I think MM's quarter looks a lot better if everything shifted down about 5%, personally.
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ctesjbuvf | Posted 12/20/2010 12:45:44 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #222
Final Fantasy IX – 36.93%
Paper Mario - 36.24%


So close to FFIX. Paper Mario I'm proud of you. Also if Jet Set Radio finishes last, I might cry ;_;.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/20/2010 12:46:21 PM | message detail

From: Wii_TuRtLe | #226
What does FFX get on Wind Waker last year? That's probably about where MM will land next round.


Final Fantasy X (2009g) has a strength of 37.30 against Base Link.
Wind Waker (2009g) has a strength of 28.73 against Base Link.

Final Fantasy X 61.49% 83,339
Wind Waker 38.51% 52,198
TOTAL VOTES 135,538
Final Fantasy X wins with 61.49% of the vote!
A 31,141 vote margin of victory.

Looks good to me...!
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transients | Posted 12/20/2010 12:46:30 PM | message detail
well, FF9 is probably a little bit underrated due to FF9/FF10. that means KOTOR likely still beats Mass Effect.

I know I'd never take FF9 over Oblivion though since I'd take Oblivion over KOTOR pretty easily.
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SnoicFactor | Posted 12/20/2010 12:48:18 PM | message detail
KoToR would beat oblivion.
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ctesjbuvf | Posted 12/20/2010 12:50:22 PM | message detail
Also lol Sims on the first list.
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 12/20/2010 12:51:54 PM | message detail
The weird thing about the drone accusations is that TP is much more of an OoT follow-up than MM, which was more of a side-story there to try things differently.

Anyway, loving Golden Sun looking so good.
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SuperWhiscash | Posted 12/20/2010 12:52:26 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #222
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker - 43.21%
Resident Evil 4 – 43.19%


this is gross. not gross enough to root for FFX, but ugh.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/20/2010 12:54:11 PM | message detail

From: transients | #230
well, FF9 is probably a little bit underrated due to FF9/FF10. that means KOTOR likely still beats Mass Effect.

I know I'd never take FF9 over Oblivion though since I'd take Oblivion over KOTOR pretty easily.


Well, I'm not taking TTYD over FFIX either, so we're somewhere in the middle, I suppose!
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ctesjbuvf | Posted 12/20/2010 12:54:19 PM | message detail
I got one thing to tell ya. Don't ever trust x-stats.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/20/2010 12:55:07 PM | message detail
I laughed.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 12/20/2010 1:18:31 PM | message detail
Yeah but you're forgetting one important fact. FFVII, OoT..LttP..Chrono Trigger....these games are NOT in this contest. Someone has to win. Melee/Brawl were fav...FFX is up there, MM isn't a million miles away from those games. So you couldn't be more wrong.

"Not a million miles away" instantly implies that you believe it is still a fair distance away from those games.

Like I said, it's a main Zelda title so it has plenty of respect within the industry and high production values, don't get me wrong. Ultimately, though, it's still OoT's runt sibling in that regard. I strongly believe OoT not being in this contest is making it look better - people who would normally vote for OoT are going to migrate to Majora's Mask before anything else. And that is being a drone.

In the end, it's only Majora's Mask. It's not GoaT or even GotD material*, it's at best a routine game of the year. And yet it may well win this thing. Ask yourself why that is - if you don't believe it winning (if it does) is due largely to the Zelda name, I honestly don't know what to say.

BTW, in my point I was discussing the general success of the Zelda games in this contest, and why I believe the success of OoT at least is somewhat fair even if I don't personally think the game is all that good. Your response didn't really do or mean all that much.


*By that I mean "objectively". Random dude having MM as his all time favourite game is irrelevant - stuff like SMB3, OoT, FFVII and maybe RE4 are games that usually come up in that sort of discussion. Majora's Mask? No.
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 12/20/2010 1:23:30 PM | message detail
Well to be fair, XiC, MM is my favorite Zelda title and at this point, I'm rooting for it over FFX or Brawl, two games I can't stand.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 12/20/2010 1:25:46 PM | message detail
Hey, you're welcome to that opinion. I'm not saying MM is this terrible game, I'm saying it's doing as well as it's doing because of the Zelda name and if it wins, it will certainly be because of that. Because it just isn't a GoaT or GotD contender by any usual means. That is and will always be Ocarina of Time.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/20/2010 1:31:17 PM | message detail
There really isn't that much from this decade. We eliminated 70% of our top 10 from contention......so it's natural the winner might not be that impressive. Also, there is a huge gap between Majora's Mask and Ocarina of Time. FFX got 34.5% on OOT last year while Brawl was holding OOT back. In a fair match that's probably more like 31-32%.......even if MM were to beat FFX on Wednesday, that would still only put it in the 31-32% area on OOT indirectly.

For a direct sequel, that's very very low. FFVIII and Chrono Cross are the only games I can think of that match that.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/20/2010 1:50:23 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #242
For a direct sequel, that's very very low. FFVIII and Chrono Cross are the only games I can think of that match that.


Super Mario World 2 lololo
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 12/20/2010 1:50:29 PM | message detail

From: XIII_rocks | #241
Hey, you're welcome to that opinion. I'm not saying MM is this terrible game, I'm saying it's doing as well as it's doing because of the Zelda name and if it wins, it will certainly be because of that. Because it just isn't a GoaT or GotD contender by any usual means. That is and will always be Ocarina of Time.


And yet

TP, a game that also bears the Zelda name, managed to lose to Brawl.

Yeah, that kind of scuppers any game winning on name value. If MM wins it'll just be because it's the more liked game. This isn't drone voting, and it still looks a little weaker than TP anyway.

When you get down to it MM just happens to be a widely played, much loved game. It's not like it's even considered one of the lesser Zeldas, it seems to be a solid fourth on the general fandom ranking.
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 12/20/2010 1:51:37 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #243
Super Mario World 2 lololo


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Janus5000 | Posted 12/20/2010 1:54:36 PM | message detail
For a direct sequel, that's very very low. FFVIII and Chrono Cross are the only games I can think of that match that.

I suddenly want to see FFX-2 in a contest.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/20/2010 2:02:02 PM | message detail

From: Lightning Strikes | #244
And yet

TP, a game that also bears the Zelda name, managed to lose to Brawl.


Yep. I love the DRONING cries around here, but I also love how these same people forget that a huge Zelda game lost yesterday. It becomes much easier to "accept" Majora's run if you simply acknowledge that its 2009 matches were junk, because they certainly seem to be.
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The Don Makaveli | Posted 12/20/2010 2:08:48 PM | message detail
So there is a consensus that MGS3 is just especially weak right? We aren't calling MM the favourite over FFX just yet are we?
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Hmmmm....hmmmm...

So, what are the chances that MGS3 = RE4, or at least pretty darn close? Probably not very good. Yes, I know about the BGE 2009 match with MGS3 and RE4.... oh, if only that was accurate.... I'm hungry for an upset. We haven't had one in a while.

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