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JJH777 | Posted 12/19/2010 10:44:30 PM | message detail
I know the Melee/Brawl stuff ended a few pages back, but I just wanted to comment here. It would seem that this reaction from the hardcore community is not an uncommon one. Some games I can think of where there were similar feelings from the competitive community in the jump from one game to another:

Starcraft->Starcraft 2, Team Fortess Classic->Team Fortress 2, Modern Warfare->Modern Warfare 2

I don't know about the other two but for Starcraft that is flat out wrong. Outside of a few forum pathetics who are no where near pro level no one is complaining about the competitiveness of Starcraft 2. The 2 biggest pro gaming names for SC1 have both moved over to SC2 along with a ton of other big name pros. The biggest current names haven't moved over yet but that has far more to do with the fact that they are making over 300k a year on sc1 which they may not be able to do in sc2 than sc1 being seen as more competitive. Flash (Widely considered the currently best sc1 player) actually said he would and had no problem moving over to sc2 soon.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/19/2010 10:44:37 PM | message detail
Big Boss to expose Majora's Mask for the fraud that it is

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red sox 777 | Posted 12/19/2010 10:45:23 PM | message detail
SSBB/TP and TP/KH2 suggest SSBB/KH2 is around 60/40, so SSBB/RE4 shouldn't be too far off. Gotta give FFX a chance assuming it ends above 57%......and probably a greater than 50% chance of breaking 47%.

I still think MM has a chance of pulling off the upset against FFX though, and even against SSBB.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/19/2010 10:52:19 PM | message detail
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Demon HunterX | Posted 12/19/2010 10:55:07 PM | message detail
I don't know about the other two but for Starcraft that is flat out wrong. Outside of a few forum pathetics who are no where near pro level no one is complaining about the competitiveness of Starcraft 2. The 2 biggest pro gaming names for SC1 have both moved over to SC2 along with a ton of other big name pros. The biggest current names haven't moved over yet but that has far more to do with the fact that they are making over 300k a year on sc1 which they may not be able to do in sc2 than sc1 being seen as more competitive. Flash (Widely considered the currently best sc1 player) actually said he would and had no problem moving over to sc2 soon.

SC2 is still in its infancy. SC1 has 12 years worth of leagues and matches. It'll be a little while longer before guys like Flash and Jaedong move to SC2.

And for the first few times, they probably wont be the best. But give em like 3 months and theyll be cleaning the clocks of all the best current SC2 players (even fruit dealer!)
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creativename | Posted 12/19/2010 10:57:55 PM | message detail
I think people were overdoing it on the MM hype, but it should beat down MGS3, especially in a day match. If it doesn't then it's a disappointment.

From: Kotetsu534 | #152
FFX has done nothing all contest to make it look like it c-

Ah, I see what the plan is! Let's ride this train all the way to the cliff! FFX to 55-45 RE4 tonight.


Pffft what a lousy prediction. FFX will sail over this with ease! Everyone knew this >_>

What say you now Viewtiful Joe haters?!

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ExThaNemesis | Posted 12/19/2010 10:58:46 PM | message detail
lol Flash just lost to Ssak.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/19/2010 11:00:47 PM | message detail
Yeah, it figures that after weeks of hyping up the match pic advantage and the Dark Dawn release date, the stats make it look like those didn't do anything for Golden Sun at all

IT'S JUST THAT LEGIT

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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/19/2010 11:07:37 PM | message detail

From: creativename | #456
What say you now Viewtiful Joe haters?!


Who cares what those people say? VJ haters are obviously the scum of the Earth.
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Mumei | Posted 12/19/2010 11:34:15 PM | message detail
The 2 biggest pro gaming names for SC1 have both moved over to SC2 along with a ton of other big name pros. The biggest current names haven't moved over yet but that has far more to do with the fact that they are making over 300k a year on sc1 which they may not be able to do in sc2 than sc1 being seen as more competitive. Flash (Widely considered the currently best sc1 player) actually said he would and had no problem moving over to sc2 soon.

Nada, July, and Boxer are some of the biggest pro gaming names for SC, but they weren't really relevant to 2010 professional Brood War.

And the main reason you aren't seeing BW pro gamers switching over isn't because they're making hundreds of thousands of dollars. They're not. A handful of players like Jaedong, Flash, and Bisu are making that money. As of August the top players in KesPA rankings made 250, 220, 100, 88, 72, 75, 58, 70, 42, 28, 95, 75, 44, 75, 45, 63, 20, 33, 36, 38, 27, 31.5, 47, 200, 18, 34, 78, and 22 million won a piece (some players' salaries weren't revealed). By current exchange rates, that comes out to about $217,372.50 for Flash - with tournament earnings he's won something like another 140 - 150 million won this year.

Players who aren't winning first (40 - 50 million won) or second (10 - 20 million won) in the OSL or MSL league tournaments are getting by on their salaries alone. There's no reason for them to give up food, housing, coaching, a team league that gives players who have no shot at individual league titles a chance to play, etc. for SC2, when all SC2 offers in the short term is one individual league in Korea in the form of the GSL.

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SabrielAbhorsen | Posted 12/19/2010 11:35:14 PM | message detail
I don't know about the other two but for Starcraft that is flat out wrong. Outside of a few forum pathetics who are no where near pro level no one is complaining about the competitiveness of Starcraft 2. The 2 biggest pro gaming names for SC1 have both moved over to SC2 along with a ton of other big name pros. The biggest current names haven't moved over yet but that has far more to do with the fact that they are making over 300k a year on sc1 which they may not be able to do in sc2 than sc1 being seen as more competitive. Flash (Widely considered the currently best sc1 player) actually said he would and had no problem moving over to sc2 soon.

Tbh I haven't followed it as of late, but I know before the game came out there was much whining about multi-building select, auto-mine, and other such things. Still, I think there is some truth behind my point.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/19/2010 11:42:14 PM | message detail
Not involved in the SC community, but can't there just be people who play SC2 and some who do SC1? I mean, there are still Super Street Figther 2 Turbo tournaments going on, and that game is over 15 years old and has a obscene amount of sequels/prequels/spin-offs(including the recent Street Fighter 4)
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Iamthekuzalol | Posted 12/19/2010 11:42:41 PM | message detail
For some reason, i feel that MGS3 is going to expose MM as the biggest fraud in this contest. MGS2/3/4 + SOTC > that Northwest division, here we go.

Nah, i am just joking but MGS3 really deserves to win though.
red sox 777 | Posted 12/19/2010 11:48:29 PM | message detail
Hmm, it's almost 3 and FFX hasn't really started to move yet. Guess it'll probably get going soon though.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/19/2010 11:49:06 PM | message detail
Maybe not though, it's fallen below 57% in Europe.
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creativename | Posted 12/19/2010 11:52:22 PM | message detail

From: The Mana Sword | #1957
FFVII doesn't really need a PS3 style mega-remake.

I think I'd be pretty cool with a PSP one that mimics Crisis Core stylistically.


Worst. Idea. Ever.

Seriously, the PSP is not a viable console anyway, it's not that successful compared to the DS. And obviously FF7 remake on the DS is nearly impossible. Even a PSP remake would cost them more than Crisis Core did (unless they completely half-assed it), and would almost certainly be a financial loss waiting to happen.

From: LeonhartFour | #2107
FF what now

I'm looking forward to that next FF game where the main character's name is going to be THUNDER MCBLIZZARD


If they actually had a mainline FF game with the hero named "Thunder McBlizzard" who talked in stereotype Scottish accent ("aye bonnie lass"), he could be Noble Nine level around here based on trailers and hype alone.
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ZFS | Posted 12/19/2010 11:53:57 PM | message detail
No way. A PSP FFVII remake would be enormously successful, especially in Japan where the PSP is far more popular than any of the current consoles, Wii included. It might take a hit in the US and EU, but even then that would be doubtful. Crisis Core sold over a million copies in the West when it released.

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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/19/2010 11:55:26 PM | message detail
And yeah, FF7 hasn't aged well at all and a remake would really highlight that. Lose-lose situation there.

Seems like it's too early for the FF7 remake. I'd say 2017 is the earliest that you could expect a remake, because FF7 would turn 20 years old in 2017. If not in 2017, a remake in 2022 is more likely because that's the 25th anniversary of the game.
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creativename | Posted 12/20/2010 12:09:18 AM | message detail
A PSP remake would cost tens of millions. You underestimate how much more expensive it would be than Crisis Core.

I don't think Square is considering a console remake that seriously, but they'd consider a PSP one even less seriously. They know it would be a bad idea.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/20/2010 12:12:45 AM | message detail
Crisis Core was awful, so let's not ever suggest this idea again.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 12/20/2010 12:17:08 AM | message detail
I thought guys like Jaedong and Flash are still playing SC1 because whoever hosts the tourneys for them payed them not to play SC2(yet)?
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ZFS | Posted 12/20/2010 12:18:03 AM | message detail
I don't think you understand how much more a PS3 remake would cost to make, with significantly less chance of making it back. This is why I said a remake isn't financially feasible, but it is infinitely more likely a project on the PSP than it is on the PS3, both financially and development-wise. Despite what GameFAQs would lead to you believe, the PSP isn't a dead system - especially not in the main market for a FFVII remake.

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MegatokyoEd | Posted 12/20/2010 12:22:41 AM | message detail
The thing is a FFVII remake would be the best chance Square has to get amazing sales for a FF game in the west again. By putting it on PSP they would be throwing that away.
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SabrielAbhorsen | Posted 12/20/2010 12:27:35 AM | message detail
Why exactly would a ff7 remake not make money? Would it not be hugely popular?
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Mumei | Posted 12/20/2010 12:27:59 AM | message detail
I thought guys like Jaedong and Flash are still playing SC1 because whoever hosts the tourneys for them payed them not to play SC2(yet)?

I haven't read anything about that. In interviews, I know Flash has said that he'd consider moving on to SC2 in a few years, and Jaedong just said something along the same lines. They're both currently under contract with their respective teams, though, so it probably would be a few more years, at least.

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ZFS | Posted 12/20/2010 12:29:13 AM | message detail
The odds of a FFVII remake reinvigorating the series in the West isn't very likely. It's been in decline for a good while, and it probably wouldn't do much better than FFXIII, if at all, especially if it were exclusive to the PS3. PSP development requires significantly less risk and budget, and would generate plenty of interest and hype just by existing. Again, it's not as though Crisis Core, a spin-off of FFVII, sold terribly - it was a major success for Square all around. That's where their developmental model has shifted this generation, they're primarily making games for portables and less for consoles, because that's where they're likely to make the most money. I'd prefer seeing a remake on the PS3, but it's understandable from Square's position why it won't happen.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/20/2010 12:29:38 AM | message detail
All FF7 really needs is an HD Remix treatment with a few extra skills/materia/bosses/etc, nothing major.
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creativename | Posted 12/20/2010 12:35:11 AM | message detail

From: ZFS | #2352
I don't think you understand how much more a PS3 remake would cost to make, with significantly less chance of making it back. This is why I said a remake isn't financially feasible, but it is infinitely more likely a project on the PSP than it is on the PS3, both financially and development-wise. Despite what GameFAQs would lead to you believe, the PSP isn't a dead system - especially not in the main market for a FFVII remake.


The difference is potential revenue vs. cost. It's risk vs. reward, not just budget.

A PS3 remake would be extremely expensive, we all know that, I'm not underestimating that whatsoever. I already said very clearly that Square likely won't go that route because of the sheer scope of the project. It's too much for them, we've all seen the quotes where they admitted as much.

But a PSP remake is purely fractional in terms of potential revenue when compared to a PS3 remake. Square is a lot more likely to greenlight a PS3 remake than they ever would be to bother with a PSP remake. They'd likely shove that idea under the table immediately if someone suggested it. I don't see it even being considered. Whereas they would at least consider a PS3 remake, out of sheer greed and massive blockbuster potential. Greed can overcome fear with the PS3 idea because they know it could be absolutely huge. A PSP remake, not at all.

You saying it is "infinitely more likely on the PSP" is just horribly wrong, plain and simple.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/20/2010 12:36:48 AM | message detail
Square really needs to get to the root of their problem: fixing their hugely expensive and slow developmental process. Remaking old games for portables isn't going to keep them afloat forever. FFVII is their greatest remaining asset, and they should at least try to make something out of it.
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ZFS | Posted 12/20/2010 12:47:12 AM | message detail
I don't think you're totally aware of the PSP situation as it exists outside of GameFAQs. There would be no chance that a PSP remake would sell less than millions of copies worldwide. There is absolutely no reason to go on the PS3, financially, unless there's guaranteed interest and/or extra financial assistance from outside of SE - in this case, Sony or Microsoft. It would make more waves as PS3 game, but it would also cost them far more to make than the projects they're working on now. If we did see a remake for FFVII, it probably wouldn't be for the PSP just because this gen's portables are winding down - the 3DS is due in a few months and the PSP2 won't be too far behind. But I would be far more surprised to hear of a PS3 remake of FFVII than I would a PSP remake, or I would have were it announced within the past year. There's no chance of either one happening this generation, though.

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The Don Makaveli | Posted 12/20/2010 12:50:30 AM | message detail
I hope that they do not remake FFVII for at least 10 years. No need to repaint the Mona Lisa just yet.
ZFS | Posted 12/20/2010 12:51:33 AM | message detail
It's a good bet! There's not much reason to believe that we'll see a FFVII remake any time in the foreseeable future for any system.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/20/2010 12:56:54 AM | message detail
They just need to forget about FFVII and do something with FFVIII.
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pjbasis | Posted 12/20/2010 12:59:56 AM | message detail
Sequel starring a reformed Seifer?

I'm down with that.
ZFS | Posted 12/20/2010 1:03:23 AM | message detail
what square needs to do is actually make new games that aren't final fantasy how about that

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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/20/2010 1:07:16 AM | message detail
like kingdom hearts 3, I'm down with that

or a LEGITIMATE Brave Fencer Musashi sequel
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ZFS | Posted 12/20/2010 1:09:44 AM | message detail
part of the problem

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creativename | Posted 12/20/2010 1:12:24 AM | message detail
First off, I'm aware of what the PSP is. I don't pay attention to GameFAQs tastes when discussing this kind of stuff. And I'm well aware that handhelds are typically more profitable...but that applies much moreso to Nintendo handhelds, which have always held a big profitability edge all other handhelds ever. The PSP's success in Japan doesn't come close to overcoming this fact. The PSP doesn't have too many blockbuster titles relative to the DS. And my guess is that PSP titles are more expensive than DS ones, though I'm less certain of that.

Secondly, it's like I said, risk vs. reward. And a PSP FF7 remake wouldn't be some small budget thing. It would be expensive and hardly a lock for a profit when you considering remake cost and marketing. The potential revenues are fractional compared to a console version. The cost is fractional too, but again, I highly doubt Square would consider the proposal too seriously for all the reasons already given. Whereas they have always seemed to want to try FF7 on a console again, they're just intimidated by the scope, and they don't have the resources they once did.

Thirdly, I have no idea why we're even talking PS3 remake, I wasn't even paying attention when I repeated that. Any remake would almost certainly be on the 360 as well. I never actually intended to imply it as a PS3 exclusive, Square would be stupid to consider that. If we're talking about PS3 exclusive vs. PSP, they're both equally unlikely and "never gonna happen" level.

A console remake is unlikely. But is it more likely than a handheld remake? Yes. And is saying a PSP remake is "infinitely more likely" wrong to gargantuan proportions? Yes.
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creativename | Posted 12/20/2010 1:14:41 AM | message detail
KH3 is a better bet for Square than FF7 remake on any platform. I'm as confused as everyone as to why they haven't really started that yet. The money is almost too easy there.

At this point by the time the game comes out, this generation will be winding down. (might even lead to a TP late console switch scenario)
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/20/2010 1:18:10 AM | message detail

From: creativename | #489
KH3 is a better bet for Square than FF7 remake on any platform. I'm as confused as everyone as to why they haven't really started that yet. The money is almost too easy there.

At this point by the time the game comes out, this generation will be winding down. (might even lead to a TP late console switch scenario)


Yeah, I'm thinking it skips this gen entirely. Unless Square has been lying and developing in secret this whole time, they won't even begin development until vs. XIII goes gold. The absolute earliest we get KHIII is 2013, and that's being optimistic.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/20/2010 1:19:11 AM | message detail
And speaking of Versus XIII

WHAT IN THE **** WERE THEY ****ING THINKING
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ZFS | Posted 12/20/2010 1:20:24 AM | message detail
Infinitely more likely was a poor choice of words, but between the two, I would certainly sooner expect a remake of FFVII on the PSP before the PS3/360. There's little chance a PSP remake wouldn't see good profits, and equally as great sales. That's Square's choice of platform this generation, and the decrease in scale alone would make it a more feasible project from both a time and money perspective - there are already assets from other games that could be used there as well, while there are practically none on a HD venture. Either way, I'd agree that any remake at all is unlikely, to the point that this discussion is silly and I'm not even sure why it was started.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/20/2010 1:20:26 AM | message detail
Wait, what part of it is making you think this

It looks better than FFXIII!
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ZFS | Posted 12/20/2010 1:21:49 AM | message detail
KH3 is a better bet for Square than FF7 remake on any platform. I'm as confused as everyone as to why they haven't really started that yet. The money is almost too easy there.

The main development team that would work on a Kingdom Hearts game is busy making Versus XIII. Every major player who would make KH3 has their hands tied up there, which won't release until, at best, late 2011 in Japan.

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ZFS | Posted 12/20/2010 1:22:17 AM | message detail
It looks better than FFXIII!

True stuff.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/20/2010 1:24:25 AM | message detail
If FFX goes on to win, I can't say it wouldn't be a deserving winner. Better than Brawl, at any rate.
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ZFS | Posted 12/20/2010 1:24:52 AM | message detail
also probably too busy porting Chrono Trigger to mobile phones



Not a joke either!

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/20/2010 1:25:49 AM | message detail
Square, Nintendo, Capcom, Activision or Ubisoft is the worst company in gaming right now. Though I'll give Capcom a pass because I'm playing the piss out of SSF4 and loving it.
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UItimaterializer | Posted 12/20/2010 1:26:19 AM | message detail
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UItimaterializer | Posted 12/20/2010 1:26:25 AM | message detail
Play EarthBound.
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