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Lightning Strikes | Posted 12/19/2010 9:42:58 AM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #345
You'd think drones would cause Zelda stuff to perform better in four-ways.


It's almost as if Zelda drones don't actually exist.

Oh waaaaaait...
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/19/2010 9:43:20 AM | message detail

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #349
Man, I hope this Jiggy55 guy gets something wrong. It would suck to lose the contest by 1 point.


Tales of Symphonia strikes again
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 12/19/2010 9:44:01 AM | message detail
MM is more like FFIX if you ask me. WW isn't really anything, but TP is definitely FFX.
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Assassin_Thane | Posted 12/19/2010 9:44:36 AM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #350
In terms of how people see the game (not exactly strength based)

LoZ = FF
LttP = FFVI
OoT = FFVII
MM = FFVIII
TP = FFX
WW = FFXII (maybe IX)


Not Maybe, Definitely FFIX. There is no FFXII of the Zelda series.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/19/2010 9:44:42 AM | message detail
Why the hell did I switch to RE5 > ToS at the last minute!

Augh!
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/19/2010 9:45:25 AM | message detail
MM is more like FFIX if you ask me.

While they both came out during the end of the lifecycle MM did get some backlash like VIII got.
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LOLContests | Posted 12/19/2010 9:45:26 AM | message detail
If Zelda performed worse in 4 ways, I would imagine it would be because they have a very overlapping fanbase, and were LFFing with everyone.

If they performed worse that is. Link looked is absolute best in 2007, before falling off in 2008 and 2010. Zelda has looked pretty consistent from 2007 to now and Ganondorf looked slightly better in 2007/2008 to me, before falling off a little in 2010. The games all looked pretty good in 2009, as well. Majora's Mask is the only one this contest that I'd say looked better.

2010 was probably Link's worst contest to be quite honest. He's finally dropped back down to his 2002/2003 levels, and was getting anti-voted in the earlier rounds to boot. Not sure why that stopped in the later rounds, though. I still don't understand how Luigi was able to avoid SFF, but Mario wasn't.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/19/2010 9:45:43 AM | message detail

From: Lightning Strikes | #353
MM is more like FFIX if you ask me. WW isn't really anything, but TP is definitely FFX.


Majora is definitely 8. The less popular followup to the smash hit, that's still a fantastic game and arguably better.

The fact that FF goes 7 > 10 > 8 > 9 in contest strength also carries over to OoT > TP > MM > WW
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LOLContests | Posted 12/19/2010 9:46:05 AM | message detail
*looked his absolute best.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/19/2010 9:46:13 AM | message detail

From: HaRRicH | #348
It's just really hard to argue SSBM would beat something SSBB couldn't now, and using SSBB's early vote to defend it right after Brawl upset the board is mighty unfair. The board-polls can say what they will -- I followed some of them -- but the game's legitimately bigger than Melee.

I'd take SSBM > LoZ:TP too, but i wouldn't if LoZ:TP could beat SSBB.


I'm guessing the site has a mild case of the same illogical voting habits the board did after Brawl hit. Remember before Brawl came out? Melee was pretty much the most popular game here. No one hated it; it won contests all the time. IIRC, it went undefeated in RPGuy and swirl's massive NCAA games contest, wrecking everything in its path. When Brawl released, things changed. Brawl beat Melee handily every time, yet it lost to games that Melee was schooling months earlier. On the board, we really did see that fabled theory of

Brawl > Melee > lots of other games > Brawl

And we saw it a lot. I know it's rather dubious to extrapolate a board habit unto the entire site, but I'm doing it, try and stop me.
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Assassin_Thane | Posted 12/19/2010 9:47:02 AM | message detail
Also i've decided that if FFX does reach final i will vote for that and hope it beats Brawl. I Dislike both games but i can at least Respect FFX.
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Advokaiser | Posted 12/19/2010 9:47:16 AM | message detail
Not Maybe, Definitely FFIX. There is no FFXII of the Zelda series.

*cough* Zelda II *cough*

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/19/2010 9:47:50 AM | message detail

From: Assassin_Thane | #361
Also i've decided that if FFX does reach final i will vote for that and hope it beats Brawl. I Dislike both games but i can at least Respect FFX.


I find it hard to respect a game where you essentially walk in a straight line for 30 hours.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/19/2010 9:48:09 AM | message detail

From: Advokaiser | #362
Not Maybe, Definitely FFIX. There is no FFXII of the Zelda series.

*cough* Zelda II *cough*


Zelda 2 = Final Fantasy 2
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XIII_rocks | Posted 12/19/2010 9:48:44 AM | message detail
Just a generational thing. In lots of areas Brawl makes Melee look outdated and poor (not on the whole though, it's very close) which means a lot of people vote for it over its predecessor.
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EvilNcr | Posted 12/19/2010 9:49:12 AM | message detail

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #363
I find it hard to respect a game where you essentially walk in a straight line for 30 hours.


That would be FFXIII, not FFX.
Please don't comment anymore on FFX since you're too biased to be objective.
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Assassin_Thane | Posted 12/19/2010 9:49:26 AM | message detail

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #363
I find it hard to respect a game where you essentially walk in a straight line for 30 hours.


Consistenly walking. Not tripping.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/19/2010 9:49:29 AM | message detail
Also the fact that there are more characters, less palette swaps, and the characters (aside from maybe Meta Knight) are way more balanced than the Fox/Sheik-fest that was Melee.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/19/2010 9:50:23 AM | message detail

From: EvilNcr | #366
That would be FFXIII, not FFX.
Please don't comment anymore on FFX since you're too biased to be objective.


13 was just as bad as FFX, but at least it tried (and succeeded) in making a new battle mechanic that doesn't suck.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/19/2010 9:51:07 AM | message detail
I'm guessing the site has a mild case of the same illogical voting habits the board did after Brawl hit. Remember before Brawl came out? Melee was pretty much the most popular game here. No one hated it; it won contests all the time. IIRC, it went undefeated in RPGuy and swirl's massive NCAA games contest, wrecking everything in its path. When Brawl released, things changed. Brawl beat Melee handily every time, yet it lost to games that Melee was schooling months earlier. On the board, we really did see that fabled theory of

Brawl loses to games it should beat on the board the same reason FFVII loses to games yet it is the board's favourite game. People anti-vote it and in a small sample size it matters. When Brawl and Melee go at it, everyone votes, those user contest matches can't compare.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/19/2010 9:51:47 AM | message detail
And how is saying FFX has terrible voice acting and is extremely linear not objective? That's about as close to objective as you can get. If I wanted to be subjective, I'd talk about how terrible the cast was and how non-manacing Seymour and Sin were.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/19/2010 9:52:24 AM | message detail
Meta Knight and Snake are far more broken at lower levels of play. You've got to be a Smash flippin' master to utilize Melee Fox and Falco to their fully broken capabilities. Hardly anyone can do that. Meta Knight and Snake are broken at any level. Granted, Melee Marth and Sheik are kinda like that as well.
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abdou | Posted 12/19/2010 9:52:34 AM | message detail
making a new battle mechanic that doesn't suck.

lmao...
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Advokaiser | Posted 12/19/2010 9:52:39 AM | message detail
Zelda 2 = Final Fantasy 2

Then FFIII = Link's Awakening?

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/19/2010 9:53:05 AM | message detail
http://spoonyexperiment.com/category/game-reviews/final-fantasy-x/

This guy has a really entertaining summary on what sucks about FFX, although he still has to do the fourth and final part.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/19/2010 9:53:48 AM | message detail

From: Advokaiser | #374
Zelda 2 = Final Fantasy 2

Then FFIII = Link's Awakening?


LA is probably more like FF4 in terms of strength and comparison. There's no analogue to FF3 since all the Zelda games were released here.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/19/2010 9:54:12 AM | message detail
Then FFIII = Link's Awakening?

I would say FFIV
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The Don Makaveli | Posted 12/19/2010 9:54:14 AM | message detail
But FFX did have a new battle mechanic, it is the best turn based battle mechanic ever?
FFX is not a bad game dude, not by a long shot.
XIII_rocks | Posted 12/19/2010 9:54:45 AM | message detail
yes it is. horrid.
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hellfire104 | Posted 12/19/2010 9:55:10 AM | message detail
BAM, 39th Leaderboard action goin on.

Also, Brawl is a lock to win this contest.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/19/2010 9:55:38 AM | message detail
Link cuts. Brawl Power Hour is OVA.
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Cylun | Posted 12/19/2010 9:55:45 AM | message detail
Falco is actually overpowered at the lower levels of Melee, but he obviously only truly dominates when he is in the hands of someone with the techskill to actually use him
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LOLContests | Posted 12/19/2010 9:56:02 AM | message detail
And how is saying FFX has terrible voice acting and is extremely linear not objective?

Saying that something is bad *because* it is linear *is* subjective.
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 12/19/2010 9:57:25 AM | message detail
I find it really hard to respect that review!

Largely because he advises murdering people who like FFX. Too far.

Also, MM=FFIX because it was the 3D Zelda the fewest people played, but has gained a cult following amongst a lot of controversy, like FFIX did. FFVIII is a controversial follow-up, yes, but that was more mainstream for popularity even if it was controversial, MM is more of a cult game(for a certain relative value of cult that is, the game still sold millions).
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/19/2010 9:58:54 AM | message detail

From: Lightning Strikes | #384
I find it really hard to respect that review!

Largely because he advises murdering people who like FFX. Too far.

Also, MM=FFIX because it was the 3D Zelda the fewest people played, but has gained a cult following amongst a lot of controversy, like FFIX did. FFVIII is a controversial follow-up, yes, but that was more mainstream for popularity even if it was controversial, MM is more of a cult game(for a certain relative value of cult that is, the game still sold millions).


I would argue that MM is way more mainstream than WW (at least on this site). What are the sales like between those 2 games?
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Cylun | Posted 12/19/2010 9:59:05 AM | message detail
Saying that something is bad because the gameplay experience will almost always be the same and the players have essentially no options to explore IS pretty objective, though.
Fortunately, Final Fantasy X does provide the players with options. It also just happens to have a map that literally looks like a straight line
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paulg235 | Posted 12/19/2010 10:01:28 AM | message detail
Nevermind, Brawl still won that update.
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Assassin_Thane | Posted 12/19/2010 10:01:47 AM | message detail

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #368
Also the fact that there are more characters, less palette swaps, and the characters (aside from maybe Meta Knight) are way more balanced than the Fox/Sheik-fest that was Melee.


You just sound like someone was was abysmal at playing Melee.
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Assassin_Thane | Posted 12/19/2010 10:03:31 AM | message detail
Also all fanboyism aside and bias aside This match proves how friggin strong Zelda really is 1v1. FFX is going to struggle against Majora.
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Assassin_Thane | Posted 12/19/2010 10:03:48 AM | message detail
who was*
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 12/19/2010 10:04:01 AM | message detail

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #385
I would argue that MM is way more mainstream than WW (at least on this site). What are the sales like between those 2 games?


c.3 million(MM) vs. c. 4.5 million(WW)

Majora's Mask is easily the lowest selling 3D game, and even beyond that it's been outsold by quite a lot of the series. If Spirit Tracks overtakes its sales lifetime like it's looking to, MM will be the lowest selling non-Capcom Zelda.
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Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 12/19/2010 10:05:27 AM | message detail
I wouldn't consider this over quite yet. The lack of an ASV puts the trends in doubt.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/19/2010 10:05:41 AM | message detail
Link's not quite done, it seems!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/19/2010 10:07:53 AM | message detail
Do we have any idea what the trends might be here? It's two Nintendo Wii games in a weekend match.

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Lightning Strikes | Posted 12/19/2010 10:08:57 AM | message detail

From: Cylun | #386
Saying that something is bad because the gameplay experience will almost always be the same and the players have essentially no options to explore IS pretty objective, though.
Fortunately, Final Fantasy X does provide the players with options. It also just happens to have a map that literally looks like a straight line


That's not an objective stement.

"FFX provides players with the same gameplay experience every time" is objective.
"FFX is bad because of this" is subjective.

Even when based off of objective facts, "good" and "bad" will always be subjective.
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RockMFR 5 | Posted 12/19/2010 10:10:58 AM | message detail
Not Maybe, Definitely FFIX. There is no FFXII of the Zelda series.

*cough* Zelda II *cough*


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Advokaiser | Posted 12/19/2010 10:11:17 AM | message detail
If Brawl loses the ASV then LMAO

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Lightning Strikes | Posted 12/19/2010 10:11:55 AM | message detail

From: Advokaiser | #398
If Brawl loses the ASV then LMAO


ASV
Sunday

Hmmm...
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