GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 982
swordz9 | Posted 12/19/2010 11:17:18 AM | message detail |
I knew some of the previous winners, but I haven't been here for every contest. Didn't Mario and Samus win a contest too? --- http://myanimelist.net/animelist/swordz9 |
ctesjbuvf | Posted 12/19/2010 11:19:12 AM | message detail |
Seriously
I love Melee, but I love Brawl even more, and I'd say I'm definetly a
real smash fan. Some people might just enjoy Brawl mre than Melee and
this whining is starting to annoy me. Even if one of the games I hated
the most beat my favorite game in an upset, I'd get over it, you need
to do the same guys. --- 07/28/02-12/13/09 R.I.P CATS we miss ya ;_; 2002-2010 R.I.P Noble Nine we miss ya ;_; |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/19/2010 11:21:10 AM | message detail |
Brawl isn't a terrible game, but let's look at some of the other games in the Elite 8: Fallout 3: Highly critically acclaimed and loved, to the point where GameFAQs loves it despite it being half an FPS. Metroid Prime: That one "it was like the best game from 10 years later dropped out of existence and into my Gamecube" says it all. Final Fantasy X: Considered by many to be the last great Square game, maybe even the last great JRPG. Resident Evil 4: Probably deserves GotD more than anything else in the contest. Zelda: Majora's Mask: The most unique and original Zelda game, with one of the best atmospheres in any game ever. There are just much better choices for Game of the Decade than Brawl. Brawl is too divisive and too flawed. --- DFF |
ctesjbuvf | Posted 12/19/2010 11:21:14 AM | message detail |
From: swordz9 | #451 Yes Mario won when Link, Cloud and Seph were removed from the contest, but then Mario had to face them after he won the main bracket and Link won that one. Samus also won when Link, Could, Seph and Mario were removed from the contest. But then her and Snake had to face the four in a battle royal which Link also won. --- 07/28/02-12/13/09 R.I.P CATS we miss ya ;_; 2002-2010 R.I.P Noble Nine we miss ya ;_; |
vegita4life | Posted 12/19/2010 11:22:46 AM | message detail |
That's
the drama queen spirit, Ulti. You may not like it, but SSBB is a smash
game every bit as much as SSBM and the collective voting population of
the WORLD liked it better. --- This song is just six words long |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/19/2010 11:23:26 AM | message detail |
As long as FFX > TP, I'm still in great shape! It's weird how Brawl struggles to beat TP, and everyone's like, "Nah, Brawl's still safe. TP beats FFX." Pfffffft --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/19/2010 11:25:50 AM | message detail |
There are just much better choices for Game of the Decade than Brawl. Brawl is too divisive and too flawed. I agree, but I'd say the exact same thing if Melee was in the same spot. The series is overrated on GameFAQs, even moreso than other Nintendo series. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 204/256 Today's Matches: HL2 & SSBB |
MudkipMaster30 | Posted 12/19/2010 11:28:16 AM | message detail |
Well,
I made it to the top 103 at least, but because of Brawl beating Melee
I'm going to knocked pretty far back. In the meantime I'm just tracking
Brawl's progress thinking of what could have been... I'd be secure in
the leaderboard right now. >_> --- In 2012, the new Mudkip Invasion will begin... This user is a proud Canadian. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/19/2010 11:28:19 AM | message detail |
From: UltimaterializerX | #443 Man, this arrogance is just silly. I've loved Smash Bros. from the beginning, and I prefer Brawl. Don't even bring up this "I love Smash Bros. more than anyone so I'm qualified to judge" bullcrap. --- "The great GF...Bahamut." "...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..." |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/19/2010 11:28:55 AM | message detail |
If you're talking about being deserving of Game of the Decade,
Melee is a fine choice. It basically carried the Gamecube for 5
straight years. Everyone loved it, everyone played it. Brawl...not so
much. I mean, I like TP more than MM, but I'm not going to say TP is more deserving of GotD than MM is. It's not. --- DFF |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/19/2010 11:30:07 AM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #453 Eh, I don't really think Majora's Mask has any GOTD qualities either. MM is like the FFVIII of the Zelda series. It's pretty divisive among the fanbase, regardless of what people on Board 8 say, because it's different. --- http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2369/mythbattlers.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/Sensui22/1248835958206.png |
swordz9 | Posted 12/19/2010 11:30:30 AM | message detail |
I
see. I can't remember when I started paying attention to the contests
on this site. I knew of FF and Link winning a lot, but I don't really
know when I actively started paying attention to them. If I had to
guess it was probably the contest L Block ended up winning. --- http://myanimelist.net/animelist/swordz9 |
ZFS | Posted 12/19/2010 11:30:39 AM | message detail |
Neither
Smash game is deserving of Game of the Decade, not even close. Brawl
might win it, but Melee isn't any better a choice there. Few of the
games that are left are, really. --- The whole object of travel is not to set foot on foreign land; it is at last to set foot on one's own country as a foreign land. |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/19/2010 11:30:41 AM | message detail |
From: vegita4life | #455 When did I ever say Brawl wasn't a Smash game? All I said is it's a bad Smash game. The creator specifically alienated his core fanbase with it, and people who love Brawl are aware of this. I don't care if people like the sequel because it has more characters, graphics, soundtrack, whatever. That's fine. But calling it the better-made game is flat-out incorrect. --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.· http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4135/4800530565_4448b3feec.jpg |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/19/2010 11:31:02 AM | message detail |
I don't think MM is divisive among the fanbase anymore. Maybe it used to be, but time has been very kind to it. --- DFF |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/19/2010 11:31:12 AM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #460 Neither one of them is really all that deserving of the title, in my opinion. This really has little to do with how much of a Zelda fan I am or am not, so don't any of you "YOU DON'T LIKE ZELDA SHUT UP" people say anything about that. --- Support Morrigan Aensland (Darkstalkers) for Character Battle IX! http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/9302/banner5morrigan2.jpg |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/19/2010 11:32:53 AM | message detail |
If
you're talking about being deserving of Game of the Decade, Melee is a
fine choice. It basically carried the Gamecube for 5 straight years.
Everyone loved it, everyone played it. Brawl...not so much. Melee may be a bit more deserving, but it should be nowhere near the top of the list. Brawl was one of the most hyped games of the decade and really almost everyone except a few bitter "Smash" fans loved it. I mean, I like TP more than MM, but I'm not going to say TP is more deserving of GotD than MM is. It's not. I'd disagree, TP meant more to this decade than MM, it is more like a leftover from the 90s. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 204/256 Today's Matches: HL2 & SSBB |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/19/2010 11:32:56 AM | message detail |
Neither one of them is really all that deserving of the title, in my opinion. But would you say that Wind Waker is? I'm trying to look at this from a standpoint that isn't just 'how much do I like this game'. --- DFF |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/19/2010 11:34:01 AM | message detail |
Hype isn't really important. GTA4 was hyped. Modern Warfare 2 was hyped. --- DFF |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/19/2010 11:34:04 AM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | #459 And yet the guy who designed both games disagrees with you: Looking back, nearly a decade on, Sakurai seems proud of Melee overall. "Melee is the sharpest game in the series," he wrote. "It's pretty speedy all around and asks a lot of your coordination skills. Fans of the first Smash Bros. got into it quickly, and it just felt really good to play." Oh and by the way, hardcore people who build a tournament/meta scene are more qualified to judge a fighting game than casuals. This isn't debatable, going as far back as Street Fighter 2. Casuals loved Akuma, tournament players banned him because the game was not designed to handle aerial fireballs. Guess which fanbase won that argument in the end? --- ·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,. If you're feeling down, put some color in your cheeks with a bowl of red beets! |
ZFS | Posted 12/19/2010 11:34:11 AM | message detail |
I
would agree. TP and MM both aren't at the top of the 'deserve to be
GOTD' shortlist. RE4 is a good one, Metroid Prime was another, FFX
might just skirt the line, most of the others were eliminated a while
back. Not that this is what the contest is about! --- The whole object of travel is not to set foot on foreign land; it is at last to set foot on one's own country as a foreign land. |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/19/2010 11:34:26 AM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #465 icwutudidthur --- Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/19/2010 11:35:05 AM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #465 Eh, you can say the same thing about FFVIII, but it'll always have its detractors. But I don't really care whether a game "deserves" said title or not. --- http://i43.tinypic.com/dgwh0.gif http://www.majhost.com/gallery/atukam/OHWD/snownd.gif |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/19/2010 11:35:37 AM | message detail |
most of the others were eliminated a while back. Civ IV isn't that deserving either, HM ! --- DFF |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/19/2010 11:36:10 AM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #465 Eh, you can say the same thing about FFVIII, but it'll always have its detractors. But I don't really care whether a game "deserves" said title or not. --- http://img.imgcake.com/leonpngpe.png http://img.imgcake.com/squalloweenpngem.png |
LordOfDabu | Posted 12/19/2010 11:36:41 AM | message detail |
I'll make a legitimate topic about it at some point, but my main grievances about Wings of Liberty are... -Far less mechanically demanding (although there's not much Blizzard could have done about this if they wanted the game to be accepted by the majority...), but it leads to a lack of anything meaningful to do in your base. Makes micro significantly less impressive. When people watch pro games and are impressed by the micro things they saw in battles in Brood War, it wasn't because of the fact that it was good micro, but because they were doing this micro while simultaneously having perfect macro cycles -Spell micro is one sided. You can't really do much about an opponent's force fields or emp blasts in this game. In Brood War, you could almost always counter micro by better micro -Along the same lines, lack of overkill. If you have four tanks and it only takes three to kill a unit, only three of them will fire and the other will fire at something else automatically. In Brood War you could win battles by flanks (unless the opponent countered your micro by manually targeting appropriately), but not in this game! -Units not scaling well as the game progresses. Reapers and stalkers are good early game but their effectiveness quickly diminishes. -Buildings fall too quickly. -Unit movement: The way units bunch up into a ball and the way melee units auto surround both bug me. -Linear growth of mineral income for the first 16 workers instead of the first 8 workers greatly changes the expanding dynamics. -The units themselves: Regarding the roach/marauder/immortal units, the latter two exist solely to hard counter the first, which just feels so out of place. Every protoss attacking air unit could really benefit from being redone, too. -Maps are way too small. This is probably the only thing on this last that will ever be changed sadly... --- Watch me play games! http://www.livestream.com/dabu |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/19/2010 11:36:52 AM | message detail |
I
should note Sakurai in the same article also went on to say Melee
wasn't accessible, which thoroughly proves how f***ing stupid he is
with game design. Holy crap. That, right there, is proof positive why Nintendo no longer gets it. A monkey knows you're supposed to design a game with hardcore gamers in mind because casuals will likely anything if it's designed well. It's not like all those seemingly minor frame data changes to SSF4 are made with lowbies in mind. Nintendo literally admits they've reached a design nadir. --- Rufus Shinra survived a duel with Cloud and kicked all of our asses in the guru contest. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/19/2010 11:37:06 AM | message detail |
From: UltimaterializerX | #470 I'm not sure what this has to do with anything. I didn't say anything about which game is technically better, better suited for tournaments, or anything like that. --- Support Seifer Almasy (Final Fantasy VIII) for Character Battle IX! http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9342/banner3seifer.jpg |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/19/2010 11:37:31 AM | message detail |
The thing about FF8 is that it has legitimate, very big flaws. MM is less flawed and more 'tried something different'. And I think that by now, most Zelda fans appreciate it. Not so much for FF8 and FF fans. You'll always get more FF8 haters. --- DFF |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/19/2010 11:38:01 AM | message detail |
Oh
and by the way, hardcore people who build a tournament/meta scene are
more qualified to judge a fighting game than casuals. This isn't
debatable, going as far back as Street Fighter 2. Casuals loved Akuma,
tournament players banned him because the game was not designed to
handle aerial fireballs. Guess which fanbase won that argument in the
end? While true for most fighting series the Smash series is way too casual to be decided by such a small portion of people. I don't mean the best players, I mean the fact the people are trying to use the series as a fighting game when among fighter fans all the games were terrible. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 204/256 Today's Matches: HL2 & SSBB |
Gooper Blooper | Posted 12/19/2010 11:38:53 AM | message detail |
Well, one one hand, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman I don't care if people like the sequel because it has more characters, graphics, soundtrack, whatever. That's fine. But calling it the better-made game is flat-out incorrect. This I'm cool with, though. I've never been one to diss other people's opinions, and as long as people can understand other people like stuff, and there's very little that can be done to get them to change their minds, that's fine. Like Link winning every year for instance. I'm bored with that, I don't enjoy it, it disappoints me, but I get over it pretty quickly. It's what the majority wants, and that's all that can be said. Brawl over Melee was also what the majority wants, albeit this was less clear-cut. I preferred Brawl at first but now that the novelty has worn off I see I had more fun with Melee. I played both games a lot and would score both of them highly. --- And then the car wash cost five dollars. Pokemon Platinum: 1719 9497 5082 Pokemon HeartGold: 2966 0920 7723 |
ZFS | Posted 12/19/2010 11:39:03 AM | message detail |
Civ
IV is a more deserving game than what we have left, but I wouldn't put
it on a shortlist either. SOTC, Mario Galaxy, Okami, Halo 1 - those
would be on it. --- The whole object of travel is not to set foot on foreign land; it is at last to set foot on one's own country as a foreign land. |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/19/2010 11:39:18 AM | message detail |
You never see people go "SSB? THAT'S A FIGHTING GAME? LOL" anymore. And when you do, it just looks embarrassing. --- DFF |
ZFS | Posted 12/19/2010 11:39:27 AM | message detail |
COD4, too. Forgot that one. --- There are no foreign lands. It is the traveler only who is foreign. |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/19/2010 11:40:40 AM | message detail |
You never see people go "SSB? THAT'S A FIGHTING GAME? LOL" anymore. Probably because no one brings it up anymore, it's been beaten to the ground doesn't change the fact that people feel that way. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 204/256 Today's Matches: HL2 & SSBB |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/19/2010 11:40:49 AM | message detail |
Not sure about calling SotC a GotD. It's just got too many flaws. --- DFF |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/19/2010 11:41:22 AM | message detail |
Also what's with the Melee whining now? You're about a round late guys. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 204/256 Today's Matches: HL2 & SSBB |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/19/2010 11:41:33 AM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #485 Yes, and you should pay them as much attention as JRPG fans who go "CALL OF DUTY? SHOOTING GAMES ALL SUCK LOL" and FPS fans who go "JRPG? WHAT A WEEABOO". --- DFF |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/19/2010 11:41:55 AM | message detail |
I'll tackle the stuff I'm actually qualified to comment on (take note, Brawl fans): -Far less mechanically demanding (although there's not much Blizzard could have done about this if they wanted the game to be accepted by the majority...), but it leads to a lack of anything meaningful to do in your base. Makes micro significantly less impressive. When people watch pro games and are impressed by the micro things they saw in battles in Brood War, it wasn't because of the fact that it was good micro, but because they were doing this micro while simultaneously having perfect macro cycles This was a technology problem in the original, if I recall. Blizzard didn't make groups of 12 to go "okay this is the right number". -Spell micro is one sided. You can't really do much about an opponent's force fields or emp blasts in this game. In Brood War, you could almost always counter micro by better micro -Along the same lines, lack of overkill. If you have four tanks and it only takes three to kill a unit, only three of them will fire and the other will fire at something else automatically. In Brood War you could win battles by flanks (unless the opponent countered your micro by manually targeting appropriately), but not in this game! -Units not scaling well as the game progresses. Reapers and stalkers are good early game but their effectiveness quickly diminishes. This all seems like a legit complaint to me. -Buildings fall too quickly. -Unit movement: The way units bunch up into a ball and the way melee units auto surround both bug me. -Linear growth of mineral income for the first 16 workers instead of the first 8 workers greatly changes the expanding dynamics. -The units themselves: Regarding the roach/marauder/immortal units, the latter two exist solely to hard counter the first, which just feels so out of place. Every protoss attacking air unit could really benefit from being redone, too. Sounds more like Blizzard learning from their mistakes in Warcraft 3 than anything else. -Maps are way too small. This is probably the only thing on this last that will ever be changed sadly... I stopped with trying to get into high-level stuff forever ago, but Lost Temple was the perfect size. --- "me and ulti on our own is unfair enough, together is just beyond overkill lmfao." -Sess |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/19/2010 11:42:41 AM | message detail |
Yes,
and you should pay them as much attention as JRPG fans who go "CALL OF
DUTY? SHOOTING GAMES ALL SUCK LOL" and FPS fans who go "JRPG? WHAT A
WEEABOO". So you're agreeing that Smash is not a fighting series in the same sense of actual fighting series? --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 204/256 Today's Matches: HL2 & SSBB |
ExThaNemesis | Posted 12/19/2010 11:43:49 AM | message detail |
Brawl fans are literally hilarious. We spit out all the reasons why the game is flawed, why we prefer Melee, why Brawl is technically inferior in almost every way, INCLUDING DIRECT QUOTES FROM THE DEVELOPER OF BOTH GAMES, and all the Brawl fans can say is "WELL MORE PEOPLE AGREE WITH ME." How utterly pathetic. --- "I would totally audition to be Extha's best friend" - Mer ~*~TEAM RK-VOLTCH'D~*~ |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/19/2010 11:43:52 AM | message detail |
...what? --- DFF |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/19/2010 11:44:50 AM | message detail |
From: ExThaNemesis | #491 I don't really see a problem with having more fun with a "technically inferior game." I'm sure Brawl fans aren't the only people who do. --- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/19/2010 11:45:47 AM | message detail |
I'm fine with people prefering Melee, but don't act like it's a whole different game compare to Brawl. It would be like saying Galaxy and Galaxy 2 are nothing alike. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 204/256 Today's Matches: HL2 & SSBB |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/19/2010 11:45:52 AM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #480 You can make the game for tournament players and still have all the crap in that casuals like so much. You enjoy a 12.5% capsule appearing over your head and costing you a match? Fine, go you. There's an option to turn items off. You enjoy stupid levels that actively try to kill you? Cool, there's options for that too. However there is literally no good argument to be made for Brawl being entirely about defense, outside casuals whining about dying too easily to better players. It's not like pros have a more difficult time destroying casuals (ie, the people that should never have any say in any game's design process), it's just way way way less fun of a game. Only on the lowest level of play do people think Brawl's core gameplay is better. --- "Metal is a brotherhood. Brothers = family, so by that logic metal = family." -AngryNoiseDude |
ZFS | Posted 12/19/2010 11:45:59 AM | message detail |
smash fans the worst i said it --- The whole object of travel is not to set foot on foreign land; it is at last to set foot on one's own country as a foreign land. |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/19/2010 11:46:41 AM | message detail |
From: ExThaNemesis | #491 Ahem. VOUCH™ --- ¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸ "I no longer have any real-life friends." -lol internet |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/19/2010 11:46:56 AM | message detail |
From: ZFS | #496 Sonic and Zelda fans are far worse. --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.· http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/6465/evilgirl.jpg |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/19/2010 11:47:00 AM | message detail |
From: ZFS | #496 Sonic fans --- DFF |
UItimaterializer | Posted 12/19/2010 11:47:12 AM | message detail |
Play EarthBound. --- "hey ulti how do i get in your signature? i feel like i'd be MUCH more important if i made it there. sad i know" -Rusty |
