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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/18/2010 3:47:56 PM | message detail
Man you guys are crazy

If Majora's Mask breaks 60% it won't just beat Brawl, it'll triple it or something. I mean, MM is EASILY the most deserving winner, but let's not hype ourselves up so much it ends up looking underwhelming even if it demolishes MGS3!
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paerarru | Posted 12/18/2010 3:53:29 PM | message detail
At this point in the competition, I'm in beat MM mode. Whatever it takes, I don't care who does it. **** it, I'll vote TP, it's just that I know by that time it'll be much too late.
paerarru | Posted 12/18/2010 3:55:25 PM | message detail
I'm hoping for Brawl vs X. That'd be the greatest final.
abdou | Posted 12/18/2010 3:56:03 PM | message detail
I must have missed something. MGS games have looked like trash the whole contest possibly the biggest flop. MGS3 almost lost to SoTC...It will be a day match as well. MM should 60-40 it.
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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 12/18/2010 3:57:24 PM | message detail
Man between Brawl and Zelda as winners...I don't like either of them BUT I like Brawl 1% more so that is.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/18/2010 3:59:10 PM | message detail

From: abdou | #404
I must have missed something. MGS games have looked like trash the whole contest possibly the biggest flop. MGS3 almost lost to SoTC...It will be a day match as well. MM should 60-40 it.


Yes, you're missing the gut test. MM is not managing to 60-40 a game that by all rights should suffer from the SFF bug to it. You're expecting it to smash a game not THAT much weaker than WW by 10% in that case...how? Being conservative you're asking to turn 54% (most likely what WW scores if it were Not-WW) into 60%. There's not that much of a gap between both games, and MM is not a Kingdom Hearts/Halo game, ready to increase 3% just by having a day match against a night game.
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abdou | Posted 12/18/2010 4:04:36 PM | message detail
WW would crush MGS3. Like I said MGS games have sucked the whole time and MGS3 was saved by asia/oceania against SoTC for god's sake. MM which have impressed in all of its matches should obliterate MGS3. And it will.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/18/2010 4:08:27 PM | message detail
MGS3 is much too strong for MM to just go and 60-40 it. Against a game of MGS3's caliber, 60-40 is what I would expect from something like LTTP/SM64.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/18/2010 4:10:54 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #408
MGS3 is much too strong for MM to just go and 60-40 it. Against a game of MGS3's caliber, 60-40 is what I would expect from something like LTTP/SM64.


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Not that I'm opposed to having MM be SM64 tier! Just that it seems vanishingly unlikely. Though it'd lock the tourney up perfectly.
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Kotetsu534 | Posted 12/18/2010 4:12:32 PM | message detail
Eh, MGS3 is still a long way ahead of, for example, Assassin's Creed, and a decent step ahead of Diablo II. Yes, it needed to fight very hard to hold off SotC - but this is emphatically not the same SotC that got 18% on RE4/KHII/Gears.

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greatone10 | Posted 12/18/2010 4:22:19 PM | message detail
SotC probably also suffered from the fact that RE4/KHII ended up being very close, thus less votes went to it and Gears.
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paerarru | Posted 12/18/2010 4:22:34 PM | message detail
I don't like either of them BUT I like Brawl 1% more so that is.

Oh man, definitely. I've never played any SB game for more than 5 minutes, but I've played games much like them. They're fun games. Far more deserving to win than any tired old Zelda game, especially OoT2, imho, and I don't dislike Zelda.
paerarru | Posted 12/18/2010 4:24:47 PM | message detail
Looking back on it, I might be overestimating Zelda. I think we got a good chance. I just don't wanna get my hopes up too high.
HaRRicH | Posted 12/18/2010 5:08:13 PM | message detail
What exactly do people expect from a MGS3/LoZ:WW-match? Their performances on AC1/AC2 suggest they're at least close, and I don't feel like taking a MGS-game from this contest or SotC to beat a GotY-winning LoZ-game here. Today's match shouldn't have much SFF, and stopping LoZ:WW cold while beating it in the ASV spells good things for LoZ:MM.

There's also GS, which put up ~47% on MGS last year. While Pokemon's stock has dropped here, so has MGS's and MGS3 isn't MGS. That may have been pretty even last year, and LoZ:MM got ~56% on GS post-remake with Crystal added to its title...that may not have amounted to much, but that's still more than MGS3 got since the last contest.

That's two different ways to show MGS3 may be around 43%-44% on LoZ:MM, without considering it's a day-match. LoZ:MM's beating LoZ:WW despite being three years older and being a darker game, and we've only seen the MGS-series in two day-matches so far this contest...both of which had them losing to SotC. It's Nintendo from the "golden age" against a MGS-game, so don't count on any favors there.


I didn't mean to say MGS3 would only get 40%; I believe I said I expected MGS3 to be closer to 40% than 45%. If MGS3 can't beat LoZ:WW or GSC -- and even if it can eek out wins there -- breaking 42.5% on LoZ:MM in a day-match isn't exactly a safe bet.
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Janus5000 | Posted 12/18/2010 5:12:44 PM | message detail
It feels like there's way too much MM overestimation here.

It'll break 55% on MGS3, more than likely, but I very much doubt it gets to the finals. Not saying this isn't a good performance, but there's only so much you can get out of this match.
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SecksThaNemesis | Posted 12/18/2010 5:13:51 PM | message detail
Is someone really expecting MM to 60-40 MGS3?

MGS3 could realistically win that match, and would be a big favorite in the night, I believe.
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SecksThaNemesis | Posted 12/18/2010 5:14:14 PM | message detail
I'd be willing to bet quite a bit that it in fact, DOES NOT break 55% on MGS3.
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paerarru | Posted 12/18/2010 5:17:12 PM | message detail
Now that's just being naive, man.
HaRRicH | Posted 12/18/2010 5:22:39 PM | message detail

From: SecksThaNemesis | #417
I'd be willing to bet quite a bit that it in fact, DOES NOT break 55% on MGS3.


I'd say bet a testicle, but you said "quite a bit."
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/18/2010 5:26:38 PM | message detail

From: HaRRicH | #419
I'd say bet a testicle, but you said "quite a bit."


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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 12/18/2010 5:37:25 PM | message detail
According to last year's x-stats these two games are more or less even, with MM scoring 50.24%. So if Wind Waker is held constant to what's in those stats...

...Majora's Mask is just a notch below Final Fantasy VIII. And it's likely underperforming here due to the day match. Not to mention those stats may UNDERRATE Wind Waker due to it having to deal with SFF from Melee.

To divulge away, it now seems like there's a pretty good gap between Brawl and Melee, so...do we think Brawl is the #3? I thought that Brawl and Melee would be equals before the contest and that's obviously been proven incorrect, so it's very much possible I guess. Also yeah Twilight Princess > FFX is very possible now.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/18/2010 5:41:52 PM | message detail
Pretty big gap? Brawl won 51-49, and it might have even been SFF. Unless you think Melee rSFF'd its way to a close match, those games look pretty close to even to me.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/18/2010 5:45:22 PM | message detail
What the hell is LMS on about now?

Brawl and Melee are about as close to even as you can get.
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Kotetsu534 | Posted 12/18/2010 5:46:11 PM | message detail
Since I doubt anyone is reading my topic and I'm actually putting effort into these final round analyses...

Quarter-Final
(1) Fallout 3 vs. (1) Metroid Prime

Previous Results:

Fallout 3 (R1): 81% on inFamous (Night)
Fallout 3 (R2): 74.27% on Deus Ex (Night)
Fallout 3 (R3): 58.8% on Batman: Arkham Asylum (Night)
Fallout 3 (R4): 60.6% on Halo: Combat Evolved (Night)

Metroid Prime (R1): 73.34% on Star Ocean: Till the End of Time (Night)
Metroid Prime (R2): 64.61% on Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening (Night)
Metroid Prime (R3): 58.16% on Okami (Night)
Metroid Prime (R4): 50.73% on Half-Life 2 (Day)

At first glance, this looks like an open and shut case for Fallout 3. Just look at what it got on Halo! And it's a night match, which surely favours it! I'm not quite so sure.

Yes, Fallout 3 broke 60% on Halo, but everything went for it. Europe does not appreciate Halo anywhere nearly as much as North America - Super Mario Sunshine, despite losing 53-47 worldwide, won 54.5-45.5 there, and Halo 3 nearly went on to beat Combat Evolved in Europe. For that reason, the power hour is generally Halo's best at night - and, of course, we had no power hour due to the poll not appearing. Moreover, Halo didn't get to take advantage of its decent day vote and beastly ASV due to it being a night match. Considering all that, if Uncharted 2, which Halo beat in the day, was put where Halo was, I could see it getting about what Batman did. So Fallout's number on Halo is a bit unrepresentative.

The next point is that while Halo might have looked decent in making it to round three, it's only faced unknowns (Ninja Gaiden, Uncharted 2) and its sequel. Halo 2 was pulverised by Kingdom Hearts II, which, in turn, was 57-43'd by Twilight Princess, putting it below Dragon Age in the x-stats, with any time frame variance probably favouring it. In other words, if Halo 2 is roughly equal to Combat Evolved, and Fallout 3's numbers are inflated, it's probably only worth around 40% on Twilight Princess, at best. What else got near 40% on Twilight Princess, albeit in a 4-way? Half-Life 2, which Metroid Prime is likely about equal with over the first twelve hours.

Another possible comparison is to think about where God of War or Tales of Symphonia or Okami might be in relation to 1v1 Halo. Without going into detail, they all look like they'd compare well based off their '10 numbers, which means Metroid Prime in turn, looks to be a good distance ahead of '10 Halo.

Then there's the idea of this being a night match heavily disadvantaging Metroid Prime. I don't see this as too big a problem: it has a huge power hour to cancel out its weak night vote, and its not like it relies on its ASV or SNV anyway. Fallout 3 did dominate Europe against Halo, but as I've already pointed out: anything could. It lost it to Deus Ex heavily and to Batman narrowly, so it doesn't seem to be too much of a night beast itself.

I expect this match to be fairly close either way. Prime will surely be able to at least stall the early hours before Fallout gets a chance to make a move, which is what I expect the match to hinge on: if it's tight come the final hours, surely Nintendo's game has to be the favourite. If it's not, Fallout 3 will have done a great job in reaching the semi-finals. Either way, big achievement for whichever makes it: yes, they'll have taken advantage of good bracket placement in a massive way, but making the final four's still a great run.

Oracle Prediction: Metroid Prime with 50.02%

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MegatokyoEd | Posted 12/18/2010 5:46:53 PM | message detail
Isn't there an argument to be made that Melee could have won a day match? I'd put them as dead even.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/18/2010 5:47:39 PM | message detail

From: MegatokyoEd | #423
Isn't there an argument to be made that Melee could have won a day match? I'd put them as dead even.


Well it was losing the morning vote pretty bad, and I doubt the ASV would have been any different.
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695924 | Posted 12/18/2010 5:51:13 PM | message detail
Brawl would have stomped Melee with the ASV.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/18/2010 5:54:38 PM | message detail
Argh, internet was out all day. Can't believe I missed the glory that was Big Boss proving he is the greatest Snake of all.

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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 12/18/2010 5:56:12 PM | message detail
Yeah I'd peg Brawl to get 52% in a 24-hour match. Pretty sizable gap there.

Also for some reason I thought the GameCube was most favored in America but after seeing Melee get buried by the morning vote, not to mention Metroid Prime and Resident Evil 4 losing the ASV to The Orange Box, I suppose that theory has been disproved rather quickly.

I still can't believe that we've gotten a games contest where Metroid Prime has outlasted SSBM. Something about that just seems so wrong.
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AxemPink | Posted 12/18/2010 6:08:41 PM | message detail
Also for some reason I thought the GameCube was most favored in America but after seeing Melee get buried by the morning vote, not to mention Metroid Prime and Resident Evil 4 losing the ASV to The Orange Box, I suppose that theory has been disproved rather quickly.

what is this i don't even
abdou | Posted 12/18/2010 6:10:22 PM | message detail
well people don't vote for games depending on how much they like the console they're on

otherwise Brawl and TP would be fodder. And every other wii game for the matter.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/18/2010 6:13:46 PM | message detail
FFX > TP > MM

Believe dat

(MGS3 > MM let's do this)
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/18/2010 6:17:37 PM | message detail
Just wait until Skyward Sword is released and we get a Zelda boost.

OOT > FFVII >>> LTTP > SS = MM = TP > WW = LOZ > FFX

DRONES
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/18/2010 6:17:37 PM | message detail
Yesterday's chart:

Time | RE4 | Portal | Votes
0:05 | 58.37% | 41.63% | 747
1:00 | 55.96% | 44.04% | 7210
2:00 | 55.93% | 44.07% | 5881
3:00 | 55.34% | 44.66% | 5538
4:00 | 54.43% | 45.57% | 5732
5:00 | 54.33% | 45.67% | 5227
6:00 | 54.84% | 45.16% | 5022
7:00 | 55.15% | 44.85% | 4535
8:00 | 55.44% | 44.56% | 3997
9:00 | 57.15% | 42.85% | 3512
10:00 | 56.89% | 43.11% | 3245
11:00 | 54.06% | 45.94% | 3045
12:00 | 57.15% | 42.85% | 2749

These trends are relatively even, aside from the board vote and a few night vote hours for RE4.

Southwest Division Stats

Resident Evil 4 – 50.00%
Portal – 44.54%
Mass Effect – 40.69%
Final Fantasy XII – 35.65%
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City – 34.31%
Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII – 31.62%
Skies of Arcadia – 30.76%
Baldur’s Gate II: Shadows of Amn – 29.29%
Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4 – 29.28%
Dead Rising – 29.12%
The World Ends With You – 28.59%
Gears of War 2 – 25.41%
Silent Hill 2 – 25.00%
Plants vs. Zombies – 24.76%
Braid – 21.10%
Jet Grind Radio – 17.85%
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/18/2010 6:19:44 PM | message detail
So, who here would have taken Baldur's Gate II over the Persona 4pack?

Besides Anagram?

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Kotetsu534 | Posted 12/18/2010 6:24:45 PM | message detail
TWEWY > Gears 2? Geez. I'm going to have to plead the "Spike VGA" boost inflating Mass Effect against Portal.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/18/2010 6:24:50 PM | message detail
Last night's chart:

Time | MGS3 | SOTC | Votes
0:05 | 46.08% | 53.92% | 983
1:00 | 50.32% | 49.68% | 7033
2:00 | 50.46% | 49.54% | 4324
3:00 | 50.85% | 49.15% | 3308
4:00 | 49.98% | 50.02% | 2561
5:00 | 51.16% | 48.84% | 2328
6:00 | 49.98% | 50.02% | 2081
7:00 | 52.46% | 47.54% | 2049
8:00 | 52.10% | 47.90% | 2211
9:00 | 50.72% | 49.28% | 2626
10:00 | 50.99% | 49.01% | 3089
11:00 | 50.18% | 49.82% | 3591
12:00 | 49.71% | 50.29% | 3492

Behold the MGS3 morning vote, ladies and gentlemen! MGS3 wins a day match, greatest game ever confirmed

West Division Stats

Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater – 50.00%
Shadow of the Colossus – 49.38%
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty – 49.34%
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots – 48.96%
Diablo 2 – 44.18%
Paper Mario – 42.51%
Marvel vs. Capcom 2 – 36.15%
Assassin’s Creed – 35.75%
New Super Mario Bros. Wii – 35.02%
World of Warcraft – 34.73%
The Sims – 30.27%
Banjo-Tooie – 29.92%
Animal Crossing – 28.79%
Katamari Damacy – 23.69%
TimeSplitters 2 – 23.15%
Eternal Darkness: Sanity’s Requiem – 22.70%

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paerarru | Posted 12/18/2010 6:24:57 PM | message detail
X > TP.

Probably.

TP > MM.

I don't know, honestly I doubt it... although we did just see New Nintendo beat Old Nintendo. Hmm.

X > MM.

Hmm.
red sox 777 | Posted 12/18/2010 6:25:27 PM | message detail
Not Baldur's Gate 2 perhaps, but I'd have taken Skies of Arcadia over any Persona game on the grounds that I've heard Skies of Arcadia discussed/played among my real life friends in a positive way. To the casual, Skies of Arcadia is an old RPG that got a lot of praise that they vaguely remember. Persona 4......Yoblazer's Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4 spiel hits the nail on the head for a large segment of people. Same gut reaction from me as with the Vyse/Yuri discussion from last contest.

And I guess I should apologize, but KP, you've made this contest so much more fun for me with your anti-Zelda posts. Your posts make me feel joy in voting for Zelda and seeing it win.
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paerarru | Posted 12/18/2010 6:27:03 PM | message detail
WW = LOZ > FFX

Where do you get this from.
red sox 777 | Posted 12/18/2010 6:28:06 PM | message detail
That'd be after a major Skyward Sword boost for the Zelda series. It's not meant to be taken seriously <emoticon>.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/18/2010 6:30:11 PM | message detail
Preliminary Northwest Division Stats!

The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask – 50.00%
Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal – 44.05%
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker – 43.37%
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion – 37.99%
Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door – 34.06%
Chrono Cross – 32.90%
God of War II – 31.27%
SoulCalibur II – 28.53%
Gears of War – 27.38%
ICO – 25.88%
Mario Kart Wii – 25.67%
Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King – 25.08%
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney – 23.88%
Advance Wars – 23.54%
Wii Sports – 16.60%
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Oh. What's scary is that you're probably right. :p
TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/18/2010 6:48:35 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #439
Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal – 44.05%
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker – 43.37%


Eh, I'd still take Wind Waker over G/S/C >_>
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Big Bob | Posted 12/18/2010 6:50:49 PM | message detail
You left out Assassin's Creed II
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From: TheKoolAidShoto | #444
Eh, I'd still take Wind Waker over G/S/C >_>


I don't really see a problem with this. I think there's a chance of some minor SFF between MM/WW here. Nothing significant, obviously, but enough to push it below G/S/C and yet possibly still be able to beat it.

From: Big Bob | #445
You left out Assassin's Creed II


Whoops. AC2 is at 33.96%, right below TTYD.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 12/18/2010 7:01:29 PM | message detail
Ico > Phoenix Wright lol.

And lol Majora's Mask breaks 62% on a game which it isn't even supposed to beat going by last year. Something seems to have happened to The Elder Scrolls this year. Also Majora's Mask is a beast, and based on my current playthrough...I'd say it deserves it! Majora's Mask might be the #5 game in this contest!

Also Galaxy > Oblivion comfirmed, wow. Unless you're taking MM > TP (as it should be!).
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 12/18/2010 7:09:07 PM | message detail
Also wow Gears, Ico, and Mario Kart were properly seeded. Exactly.

So, here's the bracket with the proper seeding, from what I gather:

(1) Fallout 3
(16) inFamous

(8) Fable
(9) Sonic Adventure 2

(5) Halo 3
(12) Ninja Gaiden

(4) Uncharted 2
(13) Deus Ex

(3) Halo: Combat Evolved
(14) Rock Band 2

(6) Street Fighter IV
(11) Legend of Dragoon

(7) Team Fortress 2
(10) Super Mario Sunshine

(2) Batman Arkham Asylum
(15) Psychonauts

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(1) Metroid Prime
(16) No More Heroes

(8) Mega Man 9
(9) Devil May Cry 3

(5) Grand Theft Auto III
(12) Left 4 Dead

(4) Tales of Symphonia
(13) Star Ocean 3

(3) God of War
(14) Mother 3

(7) Resident Evil 5
(10) Demon's Souls

(2) Half-Life 2
(15) Left 4 Dead 2
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 12/18/2010 7:13:30 PM | message detail
(1) Smash Bros. Brawl
(16) WWF No Mercy

(8) Metroid Fusion
(9) Valkyria Chronicles

(5) Warcraft III
(12) Conker's Bad Fur Day

(4) Morrowind
(13) Fire Emblem: PoR

(3) Call of Duty 4
(14) Mario Kart DS

(6) Pokemon DPP
(11) Prince of Persia: SoT

(7) Perfect Dark
(10) Disgaea

(2) Smash Bros. Melee
(15) Guitar Hero II

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(1) Zelda: Twilight Princess
(16) Castlevania: DoS

(8) Pokemon RSE
(9) Grand Theft Auto IV

(5) BioShock
(12) Star Wars Battlefront II

(4) Super Mario Galaxy
(13) Shenmue

(3) Kingdom Hearts
(14) F-Zero GX

(6) Dragon Age: Origins
(11) Dissidia

(7) Halo 2
(10) Modern Warfare 2

(2) Kingdom Hearts II
(15) Beyond Good and Evil
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/18/2010 7:23:45 PM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | #447
Ico > Phoenix Wright lol.

And lol Majora's Mask breaks 62% on a game which it isn't even supposed to beat going by last year. Something seems to have happened to The Elder Scrolls this year. Also Majora's Mask is a beast, and based on my current playthrough...I'd say it deserves it! Majora's Mask might be the #5 game in this contest!

Also Galaxy > Oblivion comfirmed, wow. Unless you're taking MM > TP (as it should be!).


SFF happened....

WW and MM are probably really close indirectly, it's just that WW is such a polarizing game, the Zelda SFF steamrolls it. I know for sure I'd take it to beat GSC pretty comfortably.
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