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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 976
XxSoulxX | Posted 12/13/2010 11:02:32 PM | message detail |
Nah,
it's not like that, really. It's because Zelda is by far and above
worst example of a fanbase voting whatever game with the name "Zelda"
stamped on it whether it's good or bad. It takes A LOT for it to be
booted off, even for an average/bad game. Other fanbases throw their
bad apples under the bus fairly regularly. Like FFXII proved. or Chrono
Cross or Sunshine even if they're really decent games. Not the case for
Zelda. WW isn't close to being the "Sunshine" of the series. WW is a loved game that has two annoying aspects to it (sailing/triforce collecting). It is still really popular though. Also, Zelda's "bad apple" in the contest was Tingle who got smoked by Sora. Unless you're only talking about games, in which case there hasn't been a bad Zelda game in a contest yet so there's no way to prove that claim. --- Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename |
AppIekidjosh | Posted 12/13/2010 11:04:24 PM | message detail |
man I read one page of this topic and it's got both turtle and tranny saying the pokemon games are stale and don't change etc. why must you spread these lies --- img184.imageshack.us/img184/7595/lovevk5.gif Joker is sick and twisted and must be stoped at all costed what plans do you have in store for Batman anyway |
AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 12/13/2010 11:05:44 PM | message detail |
From: UltimaterializerX | #073 I'm very happy. Of course, I love Majora's Mask and had outside interests on it, and my bracket is boned anyways. --- ##Alec |
transients | Posted 12/13/2010 11:06:23 PM | message detail |
they're minor, incremental changes. compared to Ocarina of Time -> Majora's Mask -> Wind Waker, it is no change at all. there's a good reason that each entry in that series is weaker than the previous one. DPP might be the exception to this rule and even then I'm not convinced it's much stronger than RSE if at all. --- xyzzy |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/13/2010 11:06:24 PM | message detail |
What
is Sunshine worth on SM64? It's probably not far below 30%, if that,
which would put it in the same area as Wind Waker on OOT. Yet Wind
Waker is a much better liked game- if anything, that comparison shows
how undronelike Zelda fans are. It's just that you're starting from
such a high level of popularity with OOT that Zelda is going to win a
lot. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
EvilNcr | Posted 12/13/2010 11:06:26 PM | message detail |
Fine.
Say "mixed reception" or "average" instead. I remember being there when
Wind Waker came out and it was a mixed reception on the boards. For
other big series, these games don't last more than 2 rounds. Like
Resident Evil. --- *sigh* Lemme get my TI-83+ ...WTF!? Piece of trash!!*throws it away*~Rodri316 during his proof of why -4^2=16 |
Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 12/13/2010 11:11:38 PM | message detail |
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1618 Times change. A lot of Wind Waker's hate came from the change in art style. I think that's mostly forgiven at this point so wind Waker isn't as hated any more. --- "Let me believe what you've always believed! That living is wonderful!" "Thank you so much... Thank you for loving me." |
XxSoulxX | Posted 12/13/2010 11:11:41 PM | message detail |
Our boards don't mean much when it comes to these contests. --- "Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/13/2010 11:17:44 PM | message detail |
It
wasn't just us. The entire internet was pissed at Wind Waker's art
direction when it was first revealed. But yeah, then people played it
and the hate died down. --- `·.,¸¸,.·´Ż`·.,¸¸,.·´Ż`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´Ż`·.,¸¸,.·´Ż`·.,¸¸,.· All the finest wines improve with age. |
creativename | Posted 12/13/2010 11:18:15 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #1255 The people calling Zelda fans drones are logical drones. They call Zelda fans drones despite heavy evidence to the contrary! That seems pretty dronish to me! :P Although I can appreciate the comedy value of calling Zelda fans drones. Especially since Zelda fans seem so hypersensitive to the accusation. The one merit to the accusation is Link being so strong despite having no character. But that probably helps him. If Mario was more generic template and player stand-in and not a fat plumber, he'd actually probably be stronger, considering how huge his games are. From: KamikazePotato | #1157 Re-read what I said, man. I said *more* accurate, not accurate. I never said any of those results meant very much or that I'd trust any of them! You telling me to re-read my post when you read it very poorly is not good stuff man. From: red sox 777 | #1206 We've never actually seen a remotely reliable case of rSFF, and any time it looked like we did (see Sephiroth/Tifa), we were always wrong in hindsight. People jump way too quick to tag the "rSFF" label onto stuff. I find it highly dubious, and I think in most cases theories of rSFF can be dismissed almost out of hand. There's a million other possible explanations, which is why 4-ways are so hit and miss. From: transients | #1209 I don't think there's much if any SFF today. Lots of us thought this match would be very close though - but 55% isn't a blowout, and Pokemon will close the gap a bit with Zelda's horrid overnight vote. And I still think Brawl/Melee winner gets under 55%, although I do think there will probably be a few points SFF in that one. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
creativename | Posted 12/13/2010 11:19:31 PM | message detail |
From: UltimaterializerX | #1259 I remember there being a lot of hate even after the game was released. It's just over the years that hate has vanished. Very similar to FF8. People went crazy with hate for that game for years, but no one hates it anymore. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
AppIekidjosh | Posted 12/13/2010 11:22:03 PM | message detail |
From: transients | #254 no, man, this isn't true at all. --- "not my nips nooo" ~ Shadow Ryoko |
AppIekidjosh | Posted 12/13/2010 11:26:19 PM | message detail |
to
elaborate a bit, several times Pokemon has completely reworked its
battle engine and formulas, unlike Majora literally using OoT's entire
game engine. The jump in graphics from gen 3 to gen 5 is at least as
impressive as the jump from OoT to WW, the equivalent (main) games. If you mean the stories haven't gotten all dark and "epic," then I guess I'm just glad for that. It made Twilight Princess completely unfun for me. --- <@transience> kleenex or theo probably know <@transience> when stupidity happens they're usually not far behind |
transients | Posted 12/13/2010 11:33:07 PM | message detail |
I sense another 100 post argument! --- xyzzy |
ExThaNemesis | Posted 12/13/2010 11:41:44 PM | message detail |
'you guys are insufferable bye' --- "I would totally audition to be Extha's best friend" - Mer See You Space Cowboy |
transients | Posted 12/13/2010 11:48:28 PM | message detail |
nah, that was just you and KP. you seem to have calmed down though. each Pokemon experience is pretty much the same. you don't go into it looking for them to reinvent the wheel. that doesn't mean it's bad, just that it's incremental changes that evolve the series at a slow pace. it's not like Majora's Mask which is a drastic shift. for all the crap Final Fantasy gets, its sequels are always dramatically different. Pokemon, not so much. you can talk about reworking the battle engine but you still battle the same way using the same guys and the same moves. are there more added? yep. is it deeper? yep. is it new and exciting? not so much, not to the average player anyway. it's just fun addictive goodness. --- xyzzy |
TheCodeisBosco | Posted 12/14/2010 12:12:59 AM | message detail |
Well,
there were always some murmurs of Pokemon being a 4-way wonder, and
there were some who had the suspicion that MM would handle GSC easily
(note: I was not one of them, I gave GSC a very small edge here). And
you're definitely going overboard with the Magus/Sandbag comparisons :)
Really, I wouldn't be that hard on GSC here. MGS4 on the other hand,
yuck. Yeah, I was just joking around about Magus/Sandbag! Well, maybe "half-joking" is more accurate, but yeah. >_> I don't know - I honestly think GSC deserves all the flack it's getting here, especially since its night vote has been bollocks so far. All things considered, though, you're probably right about MGS4 being the flop of the contest: after all, it went from man-handling TP and RE4 to losing to Shadow of the Colossus. Pokemon's clearly taken a tumble, but it at least hasn't fallen quite that much. --- Kingdom Hearts + Uncharted 2 = dead bracket. This contest, man. |
AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 12/14/2010 12:13:50 AM | message detail |
I have never really gotten the whole Zelda fans are drones thing other than a way to hate on Zelda for doing well. I don't know of any series with that many games that have been that well critically received. According to "lol"gamerankings, the following Zelda games have better than 90%: Links Awakening, Link to the Past, Ocarina, Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, as well as both Oracles games and Minish Cap. There are very few series with 5 games that are this consistently "good". Looking at fanbase, Zelda is one of the top selling series of all time. So we have a enormously popular and critically well received series that a whole bunch of people played. And many games and characters from those games win matches. There is an enormous amount of variability between characters and games: Link's Crossbow training would get owned, Link's Awakening couldn't hold up to FFVI, Ganondorf is strong but would be blasted by a good number of characters and can't touch Link. Then you've got the argument that "Link's already won! Link fans should stop voting him". Because that's how favorites work. Yankees fans in 2001 were really rooting for Arizona to pull off the win. The only "legitimate" argument is that he's so boring and just a character avatar. Of course, RPG fans would dislike this, but most fans don't give a **** about that. This is a popularity character, not an objective "who has the deepest character" contest. If you held a contest between Darth Maul and Oscar Schindler in a character contest, Maul would win. He's definitely not the better character. That doesn't mean "drones". --- http://img.imgcake.com/drakeryn/tiroalecjpgap.jpg http://img.imgcake.com/drakeryn/alecjpgyt.jpg |
ExThaNemesis | Posted 12/14/2010 12:18:45 AM | message detail |
DroneTrevelyan006 --- "I would totally audition to be Extha's best friend" - Mer See You Space Cowboy |
AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 12/14/2010 12:19:48 AM | message detail |
From: ExThaNemesis | #269 It's okay, you've had a bad day. It must suck losing a testicle. --- http://img.imgcake.com/alec1pngus.png |
AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 12/14/2010 12:22:08 AM | message detail |
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Denzokuken | Posted 12/14/2010 1:19:05 AM | message detail |
wow. --- 29/11/2010. Never forget. http://64.210.151.102/image.html?u=12565&dateline=1210104981 |
Ultimaphazon | Posted 12/14/2010 2:48:02 AM | message detail |
Reading through this topic has been quite entertaining. My take on this: Zelda fans are no more dronish in their voting than Pokemon fans, Zelda just has the advantage of having more fans. And this result definitely shouldn't come as a shock to anyone following the contest so far. MM slaughtering CC was much more impressive than anything GSC has done so far. Did you really think Mario Kart Wii could give Chrono Cross a good match? Because I would have taken Chrono Cross to win that match very easily. Pre-contest, I thought MM would be a lot weaker than it actually is, which is why I have GSC in my bracket, but after the first rounds, I feel that GSC should not have been the favorite. --- A pro isn't someone who sacrifices himself for his job. That's just a fool. - Reno, FFVII http://i25.tinypic.com/2cp5chf.jpg |
__Smurf__ | Posted 12/14/2010 3:00:22 AM | message detail |
So after the last day are people still in denial that Metal Gear and Pokemon are in severe decline? --- Smurf , The cream of Sonic fanboyism. |
vcharon | Posted 12/14/2010 3:34:31 AM | message detail |
Long live the King. --- :> |
Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 12/14/2010 3:39:59 AM | message detail |
Okay
this is officially my worst contest ever.I can't even begin to count
how many matches I got wrong.And to think in the previous contest I was
on the leaderboard for more than half the matches...Anyway I expected a
bigger percentage from SOTC.And 48 people got it wrong on
leaderboard?This must be a record.Also what happened with
Pokemon?EVERYBODY had it locked to reach final 4,or at least the elite
8.But this?Why?It is Pokemon!Everybody likes it except here!How can
people like so much Zelda in this site?Man...Also it is true that MGS
and Pokemon series has gotten weaker.But why?I mean Pokemon has a
really big sequel already out in Japan and it will come out here in a
few months and as for MGS series...It seems since there will be no new
main games it will getting weaker. --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
vcharon | Posted 12/14/2010 3:43:19 AM | message detail |
You
kidding? This site loves Pokemon, it's just on a downhill slide again
from it's character contest numbers. That, or RBY is just a hell of a
lot stronger than any other Pokemon game. I'm not sure I buy that. --- :> |
Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 12/14/2010 3:58:54 AM | message detail |
Yeah
we saw how much it likes it,when the worst 3D Zelda game(according to
the fans at least)beats the 2nd most strongest Pokemon game!Right... --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
SHINE GET 64 | Posted 12/14/2010 4:34:12 AM | message detail |
From: creativename | #261 as a huge FF8 fan this is simply not true :( --- http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/12/tribute.jpg http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/12/wallpaper.jpg |
Xcarvenger | Posted 12/14/2010 4:40:53 AM | message detail |
You still hate FF8? :( --- Clannad love! www.board8.wikia.com |
SHINE GET 64 | Posted 12/14/2010 4:41:53 AM | message detail |
no, but I still see hate for it on this board on a daily basis! --- http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/12/tribute.jpg http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/12/wallpaper.jpg |
transience | Posted 12/14/2010 4:44:38 AM | message detail |
ff8 sux this would be a lot closer if it was a day match. GSC has a ridiculous day vote. --- xyzzy |
SHINE GET 64 | Posted 12/14/2010 4:50:38 AM | message detail |
SEE WHAT I MEAN IT HURTS ME TO MY SOUL --- http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/12/tribute.jpg http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/12/wallpaper.jpg |
__Smurf__ | Posted 12/14/2010 5:45:07 AM | message detail |
People
seem to be chalking this down to Zelda drones rather than a Poke
collapse right now, it'll be interesting to see how its justified when
FFX beats it. --- Smurf , The cream of Sonic fanboyism. |
vegita4life | Posted 12/14/2010 6:05:20 AM | message detail |
FF8 IS horrible and 'lol pokemon' is for kiddies That is all --- This song is just six words long |
tgs2 | Posted 12/14/2010 6:07:51 AM | message detail |
*votes and sees poll* pffft. MM actually looking like it can win the contest! --- You may take Mr. Rogers down, but I will be back and become more powerful than you ever imagine "tgs is taking it alone" |
creativename | Posted 12/14/2010 6:10:54 AM | message detail |
By
"no one hates FF8 anymore", I meant at no higher a rate than people
hate WW. I myself didn't like much from FF8 other than
Laguna/Raine/Edea, and thought the battle system blew. But hate for
that game has mostly dissipated compared to what it used to be, to the
same extent as what happened with WW. People used to totally hate
Squall too - after Kingdom Hearts that pretty much stopped. From: transience | #1402 No, that would probably be to Zelda's favor. The Zelda night vote is about as bad as it gets. Pokemon is more balanced night/day than Zelda. Zelda/Link are more second half entrants. The day trends for this match would probably cancel out and mostly be a stall. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
creativename | Posted 12/14/2010 6:13:54 AM | message detail |
From: __Smurf__ | #1404 Hmm yes interesting point, maybe people are just using the Zelda drone thing because they think MM is stronger than the rest of us think? Because I'm chalking this up mostly to GSC weakness and I thought most others were as well. I'm certainly not into this MM can challenge FFX hype and was surprised to see that floating around. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
creativename | Posted 12/14/2010 6:14:59 AM | message detail |
BTW, that's not to say that FFX is a lock against RE4. RE4 in a 12 hour night match has a fair shot, although I still favor FFX. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/14/2010 6:16:12 AM | message detail |
Pokemon
has been sucking it up all contest. G/S/C isn't the exception. I think
this is GSC being weaker more than MM being way stronger than we
thought. --- There is no better video game company out there right now than Square-Enix - Denzokuken |
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/14/2010 6:17:53 AM | message detail |
Hmm yes interesting point, maybe people are just using the Zelda drone thing because they think MM is stronger than the rest of us think? Because I'm chalking this up mostly to GSC weakness and I thought most others were as well. I'm certainly not into this MM can challenge FFX hype and was surprised to see that floating around. Word. Bad enough people were hyping up GSC because they got burned by Charizard/RBY, now they're hyping up MM because they got burned again. It's almost as if noone takes a level headed approach to the contest, and just keeps wildly overreacting one way or another until we eventually get to the true result. --- http://i49.tinypic.com/2ry672r.jpg |
Kotetsu534 | Posted 12/14/2010 6:18:52 AM | message detail |
I'm
quite interested to see if Smash (especially Brawl; somehow I think
Melee will have an easier time) can actually beat the biggest Zelda
game of the decade 1v1. I mean, there's no reason that it shouldn't
after what it did last contest, but I have this feeling that things
won't go so smoothly... --- I predict and analyse the Game of the Decade contest here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/56817040 |
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/14/2010 6:20:25 AM | message detail |
http://thengamer.com/guru/stats.php?match=124 Heh, GSC and MGS4 were the #1 and #2 picks for this match and they're both out 2 rounds early. Me gusta --- http://i49.tinypic.com/2ry672r.jpg |
695924 | Posted 12/14/2010 6:26:55 AM | message detail |
GSC
wasn't exactly dominating before this match. It pretty much confirmed
that it's not as strong as we thought, but we kept making excuses for
it. From its match against Mario Kart Wii we should have known it would
not beat MM. --- lol opinions |
Advokaiser | Posted 12/14/2010 6:32:55 AM | message detail |
http://thengamer.com/guru/stats.php?match=124 Heh, GSC and MGS4 were the #1 and #2 picks for this match and they're both out 2 rounds early. Me gusta ˇA mí también! =D --- "I remember a time when someone called World of Warcraft 'World of WoW'" |
Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 12/14/2010 6:33:08 AM | message detail |
I
get it why G/S/C loses.In MM picture it just says Zelda so the fans see
Zelda and they vote for it!It could be CD-i Zelda yet it still would
win! --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/14/2010 6:37:20 AM | message detail |
*Anxiously logs into gameFAQS* *Votes* *Closes eyes* *Opens eyes* ... fistpump.gif Well done, MM. No matter what happens later...no matter how far you go, or who you bow out to...you've made me proud. Best contest result in a long, long time. :' ) --- Placeholder anti-capslock sig. |
Lightning Strikes | Posted 12/14/2010 6:41:23 AM | message detail |
The
thing we need to understand is that R/B/Y was SFFing both G/S/C and MM.
People were looking at that match as two Pokémon games and a Zelda
game, when in reality it was three Nintendo games. There's a SFF
heirarchy, and obviously it goes R/B/Y>MM>G/S/C. It's not as
simple as people think, obviously Pokémon isn't impervious to SFF,
R/B/Y just happens to be one of the top Nintendo games. We should
probably work out a tier list for Nintendo games in terms of strength
and we can probably work out what SFF's what from there. And on that
note given Pokémon's performance this contest I can't see SMG or
Metroid Prime not doing something similar against G/S/C. It's a second
tier Nintendo game, not a first tier one like people thought. Anyway this can't really be seen as drone voting. The Zelda fandom is really, really, not full of drones, it's actually one of the most diverse fandoms I can name opinion wise. You'll find people who think PH is one of the best Zeldas and ALttP or something is one of the worst, and vice-versa. They won't vote for just anything with the Zelda name on it, but the games are all so strong because: The fanbase is really, really, huge. And especially Every Zelda game is someone's favourite It's not drone voting at all, and I like to think I know a bit about how that fanbase works. Head over to a Zelda message board and look for a series ranking topic and you'll see what I mean. --- Something something something ^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig |
ExThaNemesis | Posted 12/14/2010 6:43:12 AM | message detail |
Drones. --- "I would totally audition to be Extha's best friend" - Mer See You Space Cowboy |
scotted4 | Posted 12/14/2010 6:45:59 AM | message detail |
I
think a lot of people are underestimating MM strength, this is not
"drone-voting". A lot of my friends are HUGE zelda fans, most of us
have beaten every zelda game several times over, and when it comes to
which one is our favorite, we are at roughly a 60/40 split between OoT
and MM. Everyone knows that OoT has near limitless strength in these contests, and most people know that a fair amount of zelda players prefer MM as their favorite zelda, and if its not their favorite its in their top 3 zelda games. The reason its so popular is obvious, because it broke the mold very drastically in how zelda games are not only played but how they are setup, and they did it extremely well, (TP is an example of a game that didn't do it so well). Obviously the 3 day system, the transformations, the amount of side quests make this game much different then any other Zelda game, and the story and background theories are much more interesting than the OoT theories. (In OoT the biggest debate is whether or not Sheik is male or female). With MM being so close to OoT, (Even with SFF) I can't see why anyone wouldn't expect it to beat G/S/C. --- GT: Spud3423 |
