GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 976
charmander6000 | Posted 12/13/2010 10:10:24 PM | message detail |
I'm
fine calling Zelda fans drones, but you'd have to call every major
series fans drones too and by that time the word loses all meaning. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 160/184 Today's Matches: Pokemon GSC & LoZWW |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/13/2010 10:11:11 PM | message detail |
From: creativename | #194 Wait, I'm denying getting this match wrong? I picked GSC to make the final, but unlike the vast majority of this board I still have fun with contests. This result and all the whining it's causing are hilarious to me, and I love few things more than 4-ways getting wrecked. --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.· http://img.imgcake.com/foolmoron/90f92d70b61d547a40640e1zp7.jpg |
XIII_rocks | Posted 12/13/2010 10:11:17 PM | message detail |
Well
the contest is generally dominated by Nintendrones. People whinge about
that so much on the board that it's become a parodied and mocked idea
but, well, it kind of it. Zelda fans are just the most zealous. --- http://i.imgur.com/j5f3K.gif |
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/13/2010 10:11:23 PM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #200 What if I prefer good gameplay to boring, stereotypical "shonen" Japanese archetypes? --- http://i49.tinypic.com/2ry672r.jpg |
XIII_rocks | Posted 12/13/2010 10:11:30 PM | message detail |
sigh. *is. --- http://www.gifsoup.com/view/315976/danny-rose-spurs-v-arsenal-o.gif |
XxSoulxX | Posted 12/13/2010 10:11:57 PM | message detail |
Pokemon
has never been SFFed before, right? It's extremely hard for that series
to be SFFed by anything because of how distant it is from other
Nintendo franchises (it's mostly seen as a handheld franchise as
opposed to the other Nintendo big hitters which are console based). Maybe SFF/LFF does not work with Pokemon in general? --- Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/13/2010 10:13:30 PM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #201 Not at all. Results and overlap seen in SFF/LFF points to the Zelda fanbase above all else. Nintendo is more drone-y than other stuff, but Zelda takes the cake with flying colors. --- DFF |
Haste_2 | Posted 12/13/2010 10:13:32 PM | message detail |
Today's
match does NOT make 4-way stats from last contest worthless. Most
interpretations of the stats preditcted GSC to win with 55% max. Even
2-way extrapolated standings are often off by that much. Just get used
to the fact that they can be off frequently, and sometimes they predict
quite accurately. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
XIII_rocks | Posted 12/13/2010 10:13:53 PM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #201 Pretty sure every series has drones. What's basically being said here is that Zelda fans have the most, and that they are the most zealous. Link is the unstoppable force in these contests and the guy has practically zero character. I'm sorry, but that should be enough. Mario is strong, yeah, but he's at least fallible. Link won't lose a match again. --- http://www.celebrityclubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Sort_of_want.jpg |
XxSoulxX | Posted 12/13/2010 10:14:10 PM | message detail |
The
difference is that the FF series has character you should be able to
give a crap about. There is not a single Zelda character that isn't
Link/Zelda series proxy votes, and it shows whenever they meet up.
Compare Link vs. Ganondorf to Cloud vs. Sephiroth. There are many reasons to like a certain character. Like BT said, there are some people who just couldn't care less about the whole Japanese character stereotypes that completely fill just about every FF game. --- "Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/13/2010 10:15:20 PM | message detail |
The
difference is that the FF series has character you should be able to
give a crap about. There is not a single Zelda character that isn't
Link/Zelda series proxy votes, and it shows whenever they meet up.
Compare Link vs. Ganondorf to Cloud vs. Sephiroth. Should? So Zelda fans are drones because they have different taste than you? And even then, looking at the facts, it seems Zelda fans also agree that most LoZ characters are not worth voting for. Hence why Sephiroth dismantles Ganondorf in a match. If Zelda fans were drones, that match would be a lot closer or Ganondorf would win. Link/Ganondorf is one of the biggest 1st/2nd gaps in the entire contest- over 70/30. Off the top of my head I can't think of a bigger gap in fact. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/13/2010 10:16:01 PM | message detail |
Bearing in mind that I say that as a huge FF6 and FF7 fan. --- http://i49.tinypic.com/2ry672r.jpg |
XxSoulxX | Posted 12/13/2010 10:16:04 PM | message detail |
Pretty
sure every series has drones. What's basically being said here is that
Zelda fans have the most, and that they are the most zealous. Link is the unstoppable force in these contests and the guy has practically zero character. I'm sorry, but that should be enough. Mario is strong, yeah, but he's at least fallible. Link won't lose a match again. That's because his games are really good. Don't think for one second that a really good video game character from a crappy game would be strong in these contests. The games are the main driving forces behind characters strength, so the most popular games will most likely produce the most popular characters. --- Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/13/2010 10:16:32 PM | message detail |
Pretty
sure every series has drones. What's basically being said here is that
Zelda fans have the most, and that they are the most zealous. That's because it has the biggest fanbase, just don't pretend it would be any different for any other series if they were in the same position. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 160/184 Today's Matches: Pokemon GSC & LoZWW |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/13/2010 10:17:10 PM | message detail |
You really need to stop doing this all-or-nothing thing. The Zelda fanbase can be drones and not all
be drones. That's impossible for anything. Rather, the Zelda fanbase
has a much higher ratio of Drones : People With Sentient Thought than
other fanbases. --- DFF |
TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/13/2010 10:17:19 PM | message detail |
Someone
is gonna have to explain the difference between "drones" and "fans". If
people vote for a game they like...are they drones now? --- Around here, I'm the father, the son, and the Holy ****ing Spirit all rolled into one - Red Crow |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/13/2010 10:18:59 PM | message detail |
Someone
is gonna have to explain the difference between "drones" and "fans". If
people vote for a game they like...are they drones now? Only if you're a Zelda fan since there is no reason to like them. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 160/184 Today's Matches: Pokemon GSC & LoZWW |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/13/2010 10:21:00 PM | message detail |
You
really need to stop doing this all-or-nothing thing. The Zelda fanbase
can be drones and not all be drones. That's impossible for anything.
Rather, the Zelda fanbase has a much higher ratio of Drones : People
With Sentient Thought than other fanbases. Yet you have no basis on that other than Zelda winning a lot which is understandable since it has the largest fanbase and you know what a Zelda fan is likely to like most of the games in the series and will vote for all of them. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 160/184 Today's Matches: Pokemon GSC & LoZWW |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/13/2010 10:21:08 PM | message detail |
You
really need to stop doing this all-or-nothing thing. The Zelda fanbase
can be drones and not all be drones. That's impossible for anything.
Rather, the Zelda fanbase has a much higher ratio of Drones : People
With Sentient Thought than other fanbases. MM is probably barely at 30% on OOT, if that. That means more than HALF of OOT's votes are not going directly to vote for MM. Many of the remaining MM voters actually like the game and aren't just voting for it because they're OOT fans. It suggests the percentage of people voting for MM just because they love OOT is pretty small. I'd expect GSC to be drawing a similar percentage of its votes from RBY fans who don't really care for GSC but vote for it because it's Pokemon. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
ZFS | Posted 12/13/2010 10:21:09 PM | message detail |
There's
no need to call out Zelda fans for being drones any more than there is
to call out Nintendo fans, as a group, for being drones. They're the
most numerous, most loyal, most hard to understand group of fans there
is - it's best to accept that and let it go. Zelda is higher on the
food chain than Pokemon, that's how it goes with Nintendo games /
characters / series. There's an inherent advantage to being Zelda than
there isn't with Pokemon. I think it's pretty gross the amount of
better games Pokemon beats in these contests, but I'm not calling you
freaks drones ! --- The whole object of travel is not to set foot on foreign land; it is at last to set foot on one's own country as a foreign land. |
XxSoulxX | Posted 12/13/2010 10:21:14 PM | message detail |
What
people mean by drones is that they would vote anything Zelda over
anything else because it's Zelda. Which makes no sense at all for many
reasons but they believe it either way. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/13/2010 10:23:32 PM | message detail |
Actually
to help prove this drone theory give me a match where
Link/Ganondorf/Zelda overperform. If there is any truth to this there
should be matches where they have overperformed. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 160/184 Today's Matches: Pokemon GSC & LoZWW |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/13/2010 10:23:55 PM | message detail |
And
calling Zelda fans drones because they vote for Link over everyone
doesn't make sense. It just means Link is their favorite character. I
vote Crono over everyone too, but that shouldn't make me a CT drone,
because I don't vote for Frog/Marle/Ayla/Lavos/Queen
Zeal/Melchior/Truce village NPC/etc over everyone. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
raytan7585 | Posted 12/13/2010 10:25:35 PM | message detail |
Oh Pokeyman cut! --- raytan. The Cream of Terra Branford Fanboyism. http://myanimelist.net/animelist/raytan7585 |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/13/2010 10:25:40 PM | message detail |
Pokemon got a cut there. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 160/184 Today's Matches: Pokemon GSC & LoZWW |
TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/13/2010 10:27:58 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #223 Truce Villlage NPC for CB2011 --- I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. |
transients | Posted 12/13/2010 10:28:20 PM | message detail |
goddamn Pokedrones people have an inherent brand name loyalty with games. you'll buy the next Final Fantasy because it's been good in the past. same with Zelda. that's where the 'drone' thing comes in - because more people will play it and thus there is a bigger pool of people that can like it. it is *not* unique to the Zelda series. --- xyzzy |
XxSoulxX | Posted 12/13/2010 10:28:51 PM | message detail |
I
would actually say FF7 has the most drones on this site, considering
how every single FF7 character in this contest so far has fallen within
such a small range (with the exception of Cid I guess). --- Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename |
TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/13/2010 10:29:25 PM | message detail |
Tranny keeps finding ways to come back here --- I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. |
Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 12/13/2010 10:29:54 PM | message detail |
so..anyone wana play Super SF4 on 360 <_<? --- My God, did that predict good! Dr_Football-l-l it no goin' and you tell me do things, I done runnin'... |
ZFS | Posted 12/13/2010 10:34:25 PM | message detail |
I
would actually say FF7 has the most drones on this site, considering
how every single FF7 character in this contest so far has fallen within
such a small range (with the exception of Cid I guess). That's pretty justified. If Zelda had more iconic characters than just Ganon and Zelda, the same would be true for it, too. --- The whole object of travel is not to set foot on foreign land; it is at last to set foot on one's own country as a foreign land. |
EvilNcr | Posted 12/13/2010 10:34:56 PM | message detail |
From: creativename | #194 I've been calling matches pretty damn well all contest long. Ignore my bracket, it's crap and since I'm in the "excluding Quebec" dead zone. I can predict whatever the hell I want and as long as I get better than SBAllen, it's only 10 Karma. I went for the risks and took a lot of favorites here and there because I never take it seriously since I can't win crap anyway. I, however, have a more vested interest in my battle bracket because I love the format and my oracle. Battle bracket is very decent (top 1.5%). I have reason to gloat because I've called matched very well all contest long in the Oracle. Look it up, I have a top 40 average and I'm in direct competition with people who have called 4-6 matches more than I did on average. My MM prediction isn't a stupid "a broken clock" is right twice a day, it's because I'm able to analyze statistics and predicts trends quite well. And for the record, I quietly wussed out in the Oracle and dropped my prediction by 3% to 56.75%. Likely to be another of a long line of 48+ picks in the oracle. --- *sigh* Lemme get my TI-83+ ...WTF!? Piece of trash!!*throws it away*~Rodri316 during his proof of why -4^2=16 |
Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 12/13/2010 10:35:51 PM | message detail |
Hey guys why's Zelda always carry a sword Hey guys why is Metroid a girl --- My God, did that predict good! Dr_Football-l-l it no goin' and you tell me do things, I done runnin'... |
creativename | Posted 12/13/2010 10:36:31 PM | message detail |
Zelda,
Final Fantasy, Mario just happen to have an inordinately large number
of truly classic games. When you combine that with this site's inherent
tastes, I don't see anything wrong with this result. It's not like
Majora's Mask is beating some amazing, breakthrough game that it has no
business beating here. I'm honestly surprised at the level of whining
here. I'd complain more about SmashFAQs. I don't get how the Smash games are legit options for "Game of the Decade" in any sense. That's more embarrassing for this site than Majora's Mask doing well, IMHO. MM is not an example of drone voting. From: UltimaterializerX | #353 I picked GSC but am only unhappy because it hurts my Oracle. Don't care otherwise. I really didn't expect whining like this. And I'm mostly happy because my Giants won and will beat the Eagles next week! :) Hopefully somebody lines up a helmet-to-helmet on DeSean Jackson and gives him another concussion >_> Well OK maybe not another concussion, but at least knocks some sense into his head. From: ExThaNemesis | #455 Are you a Yankees fan? I didn't really want Cliff Lee personally, we already overpaid Jeter enormously (how the hell does he get paid the same level as Mariano, who is vastly better?), Lee wasn't quite worth the money either. I'd rather have Zach Greinke, who's almost as good but should be much cheaper. Don't know if Greinke wants to play in NY though with all his mental issues. From: KamikazePotato | #604 You really need to start explaining s***, man. What I was saying seems pretty accurate to me. Please tell me, what are you trying to get at? --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
ZFS | Posted 12/13/2010 10:37:23 PM | message detail |
I'd
complain more about SmashFAQs. I don't get how the Smash games are
legit options for "Game of the Decade" in any sense. That's more
embarrassing for this site than Majora's Mask doing well, IMHO. MM is
not an example of drone voting. True stuff right here. --- A journey of a thousand miles must begin with a single step. |
Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 12/13/2010 10:37:51 PM | message detail |
And
calling Zelda fans drones because they vote for Link over everyone
doesn't make sense. It just means Link is their favorite character. I
vote Crono over everyone too, but that shouldn't make me a CT drone,
because I don't vote for Frog/Marle/Ayla/Lavos/Queen
Zeal/Melchior/Truce village NPC/etc over everyone. But allegedly normal people are supposed to vote against their favorite characters after they win too much or something like that. --- "Let me believe what you've always believed! That living is wonderful!" "Thank you so much... Thank you for loving me." |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/13/2010 10:41:57 PM | message detail |
You
really need to start explaining s***, man. What I was saying seems
pretty accurate to me. Please tell me, what are you trying to get at? You said that MM was underrated in its first round match due to N64 LFF. Then you said that LOL 4-ways. Then you said that MM's Round 2 representation was accurate. So same-series overlap means less than console overlap. And even if it somehow was, you just said LOL 4-ways and now you're trying to hold up an LFF-ridden poll as accurate. It's just a mess of contradictions/stuff that doesn't make sense that ignores that GSC dropped 10% against MGS when you added another Pokemon game. --- DFF |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/13/2010 10:43:39 PM | message detail |
RBY probably is closer to 55% on MM than 64% on MM; that much is true. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/13/2010 10:44:50 PM | message detail |
After this, I really wonder about RBY though, and its #3 aspirations. Suddenly the battle for #3 looks a lot more open to me. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
transients | Posted 12/13/2010 10:47:04 PM | message detail |
yeah
I agree. if I had to make a guess at it right now, I'd probably back
LTTP. I'm not convinced on something that old being as consistently
strong but I don't trust Pokemon after this flop. though maybe this is just a weird SFF match. who knows. --- xyzzy |
XxSoulxX | Posted 12/13/2010 10:47:08 PM | message detail |
After this, I really wonder about RBY though, and its #3 aspirations. Suddenly the battle for #3 looks a lot more open to me. The battle for three is between LttP, SM64, RBY, and possibly one of the Smash games. I don't see any other game close to that spot. Also, RBY's strength has nothing to do with GSC here. RBY is completely head and shoulders above the Pokemon franchise that the other games could be huge piles of dog ****, strength wise, and RBY would still be really strong here. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/13/2010 10:50:49 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #236 After taking the poll I just linked to, I gave MM 2/3 of the votes the other entrants got, which is pretty generous. RBY ends up with 58% on it in the end. So...not sure about that. --- DFF |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/13/2010 10:52:04 PM | message detail |
But
GSC did put up 42% on RBY directly, and 47% on MGS, which is closely
tied to RBY. Regardless of the fact that it's a Pokemon game, those two
games are linked. I too see LTTP, RBY, SM64, and Smash (well Melee) as
the primary contenders for #3. I'd guess Smash is a bit below the
others, on the level of Chrono Trigger, but its strength is more
unknown relative to the others so its probability of winning a contest
without the top 2 is up there. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
creativename | Posted 12/13/2010 10:55:33 PM | message detail |
From: ZFS | #701 This is a good point. MGS2=MGS4, WTF? At this point all the MGS games do seem they are likely near equals - and MGS1 is probably not too far ahead of MGS2! You are probably right, MGS fans are the ultimate drones. Too bad for them that they are becoming an endangered species, from the looks of it! From: Haste_2 | #703 I would not call MM a lock over WW. People shouldn't go overboard on this result. GSC looks like a mirage. MM is the clear favorite, especially since WW is even more of a black sheep than MM, but lock? No. From: KamikazePotato | #754 ...KP has officially gone off the deep end. From: TheCodeisBosco | #851 Well, there were always some murmurs of Pokemon being a 4-way wonder, and there were some who had the suspicion that MM would handle GSC easily (note: I was not one of them, I gave GSC a very small edge here). And you're definitely going overboard with the Magus/Sandbag comparisons :) Really, I wouldn't be that hard on GSC here. MGS4 on the other hand, yuck. From: transients | #856 Nah. FFX fans hate their own main protagonist! From: UltimaterializerX | #1002 I don't know, you just seem to have a very aggressively defensive mindset where you always have to pretend to come out a "winner" somehow, as you say. I find it odd and, I guess desperate (although, who the hell am I to psychoanalyze somebody over a message board...). But yes, I hate the 4-way format as well and hopefully we never see that crap again ever :) From: XIII_rocks | #1009 ...Enter The Batman. Dun dun duunnn! Link's time will be up soon, mark my words... (assuming Allen gets his head on straight with "starring in a video game" contest anyway) --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
XxSoulxX | Posted 12/13/2010 10:55:41 PM | message detail |
Pokemon
in SFF/LFF situations always end up flukey. The only difference between
the RBY/GSC match and other matches is that it was 2 Pokemon games in
one match. Logically we should have got some SFF, but I don't know if
we did. We probably even got a bit of rSFF? --- Good Times, Great Memories |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/13/2010 10:56:24 PM | message detail |
I
think we could discuss the possibility of rSFF by GSC against RBY in
their match last year. I was expecting a much bigger win by RBY, and
before that match I'd always thought there was a big difference between
it and the other Pokemon games- namely that the others were just games
while RBY was a cultural phenomenon. RBY looked really bad in that
match compared to its other matches too- just 44% on MGS. Triple LFF is
bad, but RBY had OOT to deal with the next round and still did 7%
better. Today's match is showing that it's not the case that Pokemon
LFF killed the 2 Pokemon games in that match, so......maybe Pokemon SFF
just killed RBY. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 12/13/2010 10:56:51 PM | message detail |
Guys, I feel like an idiot bringing this up but... Is it possible Pokemon anti-votes still exist? --- "nah, it's not my team if I drop pitchers for merely being horrible" -War13104 |
EvilNcr | Posted 12/13/2010 10:58:00 PM | message detail |
From: Team Rocket Elite | #236 Nah, it's not like that, really. It's because Zelda is by far and above worst example of a fanbase voting whatever game with the name "Zelda" stamped on it whether it's good or bad. It takes A LOT for it to be booted off, even for an average/bad game. Other fanbases throw their bad apples under the bus fairly regularly. Like FFXII proved. or Chrono Cross or Sunshine even if they're really decent games. Not the case for Zelda. An old gameboy zelda LoZ:LA went 3 full rounds and needed to be against great SNES classics and another Zelda to be bumped. And WW is definitely making the division finals despite being the Sunshine of Zelda. Drones exist for every major series. It's just 200% worse with Zelda than the others series. --- *sigh* Lemme get my TI-83+ ...WTF!? Piece of trash!!*throws it away*~Rodri316 during his proof of why -4^2=16 |
transients | Posted 12/13/2010 10:59:57 PM | message detail |
a
lot of this reasoning is really after-the-fact. no one brings up stuff
like rSFF on RBY without this result. I think this is just a Nintendo
overlap match and GSC came out on the wrong end. nobody really expected
this match to be close, just like the Brawl/Melee match coming up.
Pokemon has resisted SFF in results with Nintendo stuff but that
doesn't mean there's no overlap. I mean, I remember Pikachu dragging
somebody (Luigi?) down in 2007, allowing Chief and I think Dante to
advance. it's not like it's totally separated. --- xyzzy |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/13/2010 11:01:49 PM | message detail |
Again how is this any different than most of the site being Zelda fans? Really do people expect other people to vote for something different just because it keeps winning? What kind of fantasy world are they living in? --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 160/184 Today's Matches: Pokemon GSC & LoZWW |
