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TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 12/13/2010 10:44:52 AM | message detail
This is definitely bandwagon. SotC vs. MGS2 set new records for closest wire-to-wire match. Against MGS4, SotC has nearly reached the old record, before the contest started, and we're not even 2 hours in. MGS4 got off to a quick lead from the board vote, then proceeded to lose all but two updates past the five minute mark. I'm not usually one to call matches early, but this one's over. SotC isn't going to be stopped here.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/13/2010 10:45:52 AM | message detail
All the people on this board, and off this site, that were getting excited about SotC potentially rampaging through the division were people that weren't 'in the know'.

By us I mean this board. I also find it funny if you think large part of the internet is constantly watching this contest, especially since there aren't any large SotC fan sites for people to get excited on.
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Greyfeld | Posted 12/13/2010 10:46:40 AM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #392
I mean, '09 x-stats MGS4 to 65/35 SotC. Are you HONESTLY telling me that a 1v1 format somehow overcompensates a 15% swing without massive joke voting??

Let's see MGS4 has now cooled off since it was released and it is no longer THE PS3 game (it's still the strongest, but it has competition now) and the fact that it only got 55% on Diablo II all adds up to MGS4 being weaker this year.


Weaker? Sure. Weaker than MGS2? Not a f***ing chance in hell.
UOTY2011 | Posted 12/13/2010 10:46:47 AM | message detail

From: __Kuge__ | #066
Well, I sure hope SoTC wins next round too since I had MGS4 winning next round. Might as well screw everyone over!!!


A real statement from a real gamefaqs voter

Would you call this bandwagoning or joke voting? I'd say it doesn't matter what you call it.
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raytan7585 | Posted 12/13/2010 10:47:25 AM | message detail
MGS4 cut!

GOGOGO!
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Hochimihnister | Posted 12/13/2010 10:47:40 AM | message detail
SOTC - Metal Gear slayer

It's up to FFX to save us from Nintendo
XerWolf | Posted 12/13/2010 10:47:54 AM | message detail
I agree with ZFS. I don't think this is joke voting. The better game has proven it can beat MGS, and now people who wanted it to do good, but thought MGS would win are now voting for it.
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/13/2010 10:48:15 AM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #402
All the people on this board, and off this site, that were getting excited about SotC potentially rampaging through the division were people that weren't 'in the know'.

By us I mean this board. I also find it funny if you think large part of the internet is constantly watching this contest, especially since there aren't any large SotC fan sites for people to get excited on.


What are you even talking about? Some people outside of GameFAQs keep tabs on the contest. It's not huge (and I never said it was, why are you doing that), but it's there.

The real people you want to be concerned with are the people inside GameFAQs. They're the ones who are bandwagonning this.

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EvilNcr | Posted 12/13/2010 10:48:50 AM | message detail

From: UOTY2011 | #404
A real statement from a real gamefaqs voter

Would you call this bandwagoning or joke voting? I'd say it doesn't matter what you call it.


It's EXACTLY why L-Block won. Because everyone wanted to screw over everyone else when their bracket went to the gutter.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/13/2010 10:49:15 AM | message detail
I can't even care about MGS4 potentially coming back from this, because even if it wins, backlash from it stopping SotC mean it has no chance against MGS3. =/

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UOTY2011 | Posted 12/13/2010 10:49:35 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/57468126

Yeah, SotC has real strength
No bandwagon or joke voting at all
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Greyfeld | Posted 12/13/2010 10:51:38 AM | message detail

From: XerWolf | #407
I agree with ZFS. I don't think this is joke voting. The better game has proven it can beat MGS, and now people who wanted it to do good, but thought MGS would win are now voting for it.


Equating winning over MGS2 to "proving it can beat MGS" is like Portal winning over FF12 "proving it can beat a Final Fantasy." Everybody knows that MGS2 is the weakest in the series (at least those that have any common sense), and I find it extremely difficult to believe that people said "Hey, this game just beat the crappiest installment in the MGS series. I should now vote for it over the better games, because it really deserves to win, now!"

No, people said "lol wouldn't it be funny as hell if it went and screwed everybody by beating the other MGS games too???" This is joke voting at its worst, pure and simple.
Big Bob | Posted 12/13/2010 10:55:56 AM | message detail
Augh, next round it's fighting MGS3 in a night match. Advantage: MGS.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/13/2010 10:57:07 AM | message detail
SotC is a night game too, you know.

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LOLContests | Posted 12/13/2010 10:57:15 AM | message detail
I'm not sure SotC can win the contest even if it gets to the finals. MGS is looking weak enough that Melee/Brawl would probably 60/40 it.

R4 Starcraft in 2004v probably doesn't quite 60/40 R1 Starcraft, and that was with Halo, pseudo-Final Fantasy, and Zelda defeats behind it, and a huge offline rally base. It might be close, but I think that Melee can pull out a win in this case. Brawl has the potential for some sort of board backlash though, so who knows.

I mean honestly, I'm not sure that SotC can even win two rounds from now. It will be facing a Nintendo near-elite in the day after all. Taking into account Sephy anti-votes which he gets every round, Missingno didn't even boost that much between rounds, albeit that was a different situation.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/13/2010 10:57:33 AM | message detail
The real people you want to be concerned with are the people inside GameFAQs. They're the ones who are bandwagonning this.

Which is fine, but why would people bandwagon at this point? We have these kinds of people.

I'm a SotC fan and would have voted for SotC regardless
I'm a MGS4 fan and would have voted for MGS4 regardless
I like MGS4, but seeing SotC defeat MGS2 was awesome and it might never get that chance again to do well I'll vote for SotC this time.

The third option is the one that matters, but when casuals were very split (check the battle bracket, the game also had good support in brackets) why would they do that? Imagine if MGS2 won do you think fans would bandwagon the game because it had a close match with SotC that many thought would be close? (ignore the fact this is two MGS games) There was nothing surprising about SotC winning last round compare to any other game winning a match. With that said we may be in a different situation next round because like I said one's an accident, two's a trend.
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TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 12/13/2010 10:57:49 AM | message detail
If GSC makes it to the quarterfinal, it will have gone through two Zelda games and shredded tons of brackets itself to match SotC running through the MGS series. Even if SotC does start to have a bit of a bandwagon, so would GSC.

Remember what Pokémon did to Zelda, specifically Majora's Mask, back in '09? RBY slaughtered it in round 1, then managed to pull off the win in round 2 with Gold/Silver LFFing it and a popular non-Nintendo option in the poll taking the easy first place. Gold/Silver also managed to remain respectable against RBY, so if you take the round 2 results to determine what percentage of RBY's strength GSC has and the round 1 results to determine how Majora's Mask would fare against RBY without unknown factors like STF and LFF, you get something like GSC winning with over 54% of the vote. Now, who would win in an SFF battle between MM and WW?

If this were 2003, probably even 2005, the answer would obviously be Majora's Mask. Now, I'm not so sure, but...it still seems like GSC should have the advantage over Wind Waker as well. Besides, the last time no Pokémon entries were in the quarterfinals was Summer 2006. I think I like that trend.
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paulg235 | Posted 12/13/2010 10:58:32 AM | message detail

From: LOLContests | #415
I'm not sure SotC can win the contest even if it gets to the finals. MGS is looking weak enough that Melee/Brawl would probably 60/40 it.


Melee/Brawl WOULD 60-40 MGS4, especially after this showing.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/13/2010 10:58:58 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/57468126

Yeah, SotC has real strength
No bandwagon or joke voting at all


That's next round, we're talking about this round.
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PSI_NESS | Posted 12/13/2010 10:59:34 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3365

Why did mgs4 become so much weaker?
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Janus5000 | Posted 12/13/2010 11:03:29 AM | message detail
MGS4 hasn't actually dropped at all.

Melee will 60-40 Brawl.
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WhiteLens | Posted 12/13/2010 11:05:34 AM | message detail

From: PSI_NESS | #420
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3365

Why did mgs4 become so much weaker?


Oh snap, SotC to the finals!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/13/2010 11:06:42 AM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #410
I can't even care about MGS4 potentially coming back from this, because even if it wins, backlash from it stopping SotC mean it has no chance against MGS3. =/


Go go MGS4 comeback
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Janus5000 | Posted 12/13/2010 11:07:05 AM | message detail
MGS4 showing signs of life. Is this a sign of the ASV or just false hope?
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Greyfeld | Posted 12/13/2010 11:08:06 AM | message detail
ASV doesn't start for another half hour, but SotC losing steam is a good sign.
charmander6000 | Posted 12/13/2010 11:11:00 AM | message detail
a MGS game winning the ASV would be pretty cool to watch. Too bad the SotC fans will keep a hold on 50% if that happens.
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WhiteLens | Posted 12/13/2010 11:11:38 AM | message detail
Maybe all this time people should've nominated a Colossus as the SotC character rep, not freakin' Wander.
If Big Daddy has shown us anything it's that 'enemies' could have some strength if they represent the game well enough.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/13/2010 11:12:30 AM | message detail

From: Janus5000 | #424
MGS4 showing signs of life. Is this a sign of the ASV or just false hope?


That 50 vote gain seems to indicate false hope.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/13/2010 11:12:50 AM | message detail

From: WhiteLens | #427
Maybe all this time people should've nominated a Colossus as the SotC character rep, not freakin' Wander.
If Big Daddy has shown us anything it's that 'enemies' could have some strength if they represent the game well enough.


Agro, man.

Agro.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/13/2010 11:13:59 AM | message detail
Guru winner should nominate Agro
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TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 12/13/2010 11:14:50 AM | message detail
I'm not really sure how to interpret this one:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3504

I'm pretty sure that based on the comparison of how Gold/Silver did against Red/Blue/Yellow, this means that GSC would be able to win if it got to the finals against Melee/Brawl, but I'm not sure how taking Ocarina of Time out of the picture affects the percentages re: Pokémon's chances against FFX. I think that poll is close enough to suggest that RBY could beat FFX straight-up, but this isn't RBY, it's GSC, which scored about 42.88% on its older brother in their lone match together. All in all, I kind of wish the Smash Bros. games were on the same side of the bracket as GSC so we could see them go at it without having to get past FFX first.

Also, regardless of who eventually comes out of it, I'm pretty sure that the winner of the second semifinal match is easily going to win in the finals.
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ZFS | Posted 12/13/2010 11:15:27 AM | message detail
No, people said "lol wouldn't it be funny as hell if it went and screwed everybody by beating the other MGS games too???" This is joke voting at its worst, pure and simple.

There is absolutely no reason to believe this is the case at all.

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TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 12/13/2010 11:16:16 AM | message detail
And yeah, you've got a point about enemies being potentially strong. Absolutely wonderful performance.
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TepigMovie | Posted 12/13/2010 11:17:10 AM | message detail

From: ZFS | #371
Joke voting implies there's something funny about SOTC doing well.


A terrible game taking the contest sounds like a joke to me!
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Greyfeld | Posted 12/13/2010 11:18:30 AM | message detail

From: ZFS | #432
No, people said "lol wouldn't it be funny as hell if it went and screwed everybody by beating the other MGS games too???" This is joke voting at its worst, pure and simple.

There is absolutely no reason to believe this is the case at all.


Sure there is.

SotC isn't that strong. MGS4 isn't that weak. SotC has zero reason to bandwagon after beating MGS2.

Ergo, it's winning by joke votes.
ZFS | Posted 12/13/2010 11:19:02 AM | message detail
i know i'm glad we're getting rid of it now before it goes any further get it mgs4 joke game getting joke votes

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XIII_rocks | Posted 12/13/2010 11:20:15 AM | message detail
Could be that SotC is just genuinely a very strong game >_>
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Greyfeld | Posted 12/13/2010 11:21:19 AM | message detail
Laugh now, but if SotC pulls off this upset, it's beating MGS3 as well.
charmander6000 | Posted 12/13/2010 11:21:23 AM | message detail
SotC isn't that strong. MGS4 isn't that weak. SotC has zero reason to bandwagon after beating MGS2.

Or one or two of those statements are wrong. I'm thinking a combination of the first two.
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UOTY2011 | Posted 12/13/2010 11:22:16 AM | message detail

From: ZFS | #432
No, people said "lol wouldn't it be funny as hell if it went and screwed everybody by beating the other MGS games too???" This is joke voting at its worst, pure and simple.

There is absolutely no reason to believe this is the case at all.


http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/57468126
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Greyfeld | Posted 12/13/2010 11:22:39 AM | message detail

From: XIII_rocks | #437
Could be that SotC is just genuinely a very strong game >_>


A "very strong game" doesn't squeak by MGS2 with 50.04% of the votes. A legitimate game doesn't then go on to beat the stronger MGS4 by nearly 52%.
charmander6000 | Posted 12/13/2010 11:22:49 AM | message detail
Laugh now, but if SotC pulls off this upset, it's beating MGS3 as well.

That would be bandwagoning since going through 2 MGS games with a third in the way is something to get excited about.
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Greyfeld | Posted 12/13/2010 11:23:57 AM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #442
Laugh now, but if SotC pulls off this upset, it's beating MGS3 as well.

That would be bandwagoning since going through 2 MGS games with a third in the way is something to get excited about.


A bandwagon of joke votes is still joke voting.
charmander6000 | Posted 12/13/2010 11:24:01 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/57468126

Yeah how can we have forgot all of the SotC > MGS4 hype train top...

Oh wait.
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transience | Posted 12/13/2010 11:25:00 AM | message detail
man. I wish I archived that topic I made saying that this was my #2 most anticipated match this round after Majora/GSC and several people said I was nuts. whoops on them!

and despite that I took MGS4 with 57%. oh well.
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ZFS | Posted 12/13/2010 11:26:00 AM | message detail
SotC isn't that strong. MGS4 isn't that weak. SotC has zero reason to bandwagon after beating MGS2.

SOTC has more reason to pick up a bandwagon than it does to pick up joke votes. There's nothing 'funny' about beating a game like MGS4, you aren't sticking it to anyone by doing that, and SOTC isn't the kind of game that drives that point home. MGS2 isn't a weak game, MGS4 isn't a hugely popular game, SOTC is going further than most people expected -- a combination of all that is creating the result today. But, hey, if you wanna call joke voting to make it feel less legitimate, sure!

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charmander6000 | Posted 12/13/2010 11:26:10 AM | message detail
A bandwagon of joke votes is still joke voting.

There's no reason to expect joke voting, Shadow of the Colossus is a respected game, it would be like if we started to joke vote Bioshock or something.
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The Mana Sword | Posted 12/13/2010 11:27:01 AM | message detail
You guys should have joke voted Chrono Cross over Majora's Mask.
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EvilNcr | Posted 12/13/2010 11:27:08 AM | message detail
The way it's going to shape up charmander is that next round, it'll make it look like MGS2>MGS4>MGS3. Pretty sure the majority of board 8 ranks the MGS series the exact opposite. How could there not be some joke voting? It's a mix of both.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/13/2010 11:27:22 AM | message detail
Is there really any difference between a bandwagon and joke votes?

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