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UOTY2011 | Posted 12/13/2010 11:27:37 AM | message detail
If Bioshock killed MGS2 and started destroying MGS4 like this, I would call joke voting on it as well
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KingofFF8 | Posted 12/13/2010 11:27:42 AM | message detail
welp. When then, I'll be jumping on the SotC bandwagon too since my bracket is now completely destroyed. Down with all your brackets! SotC to the semis hoooooooo!!!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/13/2010 11:28:07 AM | message detail

From: The Mana Sword | #448
You guys should have joke voted Chrono Cross over Majora's Mask.


I did my part, darn it!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/13/2010 11:28:53 AM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #450
Is there really any difference between a bandwagon and joke votes?


Motive, I guess.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/13/2010 11:29:09 AM | message detail
You guys should have joke voted Chrono Cross over Majora's Mask.

Pfft Majora's Mask totally has the joke factor over CC, some of those masks were quite funny and everyone loves clowns.
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ZFS | Posted 12/13/2010 11:29:17 AM | message detail
And the real thing here is that even without the increased 'support,' SOTC would still be making a close match of this. It's not as though this result is normally 56/44 or anything.

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transience | Posted 12/13/2010 11:29:20 AM | message detail
you know, we're still not going to know what order the MGS games are in since nobody trusts SOTC's bandwagon run here.
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Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 12/13/2010 11:29:36 AM | message detail
I don't agree with this bandwagon talk at all. It's far, far harder for a game to get a bandwagon going compared to a cool/funny looking character. If you haven't played Shadow of the Colossus, you're not going to be voting for Shadow of the Colossus (except for a few people on the board, and MGS haters who would have been voting against MGS2 as well). The only game we've seen get one is Starcraft, and that had massive PC communities to rally from. SotC doesn't have that.

These trends also look nothing like a bandwagon. MGS4 is the one that started out strong. If the board isn't bandwagoning you can be absolutely sure that the rest of the voters aren't.

And finally, MGS4 has reason to fall significantly. It's no longer the best new game and the only thing PS3 owners have to enjoy. I actually have no problem with it falling below MGS2 which has always been quite a strong game.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/13/2010 11:29:38 AM | message detail
Yeah, I just find it funny that the people that love SotC the most are getting extremely offended at their games possibly receiving joke votes. But a bandwagon? That sounds so much better!

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Greyfeld | Posted 12/13/2010 11:30:11 AM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #450
Is there really any difference between a bandwagon and joke votes?


It's kinda the same thing, the only real difference is the reason behind the increased votes for the game. One is a legitimate desire to see a game pushed further in the contest, the other is fueled by a desire to see everything/everyone else flop.
Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 12/13/2010 11:30:47 AM | message detail
Gamefaqs have common sense and has the better game win?Man maybe there is still hope for this site.
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transience | Posted 12/13/2010 11:31:26 AM | message detail
Yeah, I just find it funny that the people that love SotC the most are getting extremely offended at their games possibly receiving joke votes. But a bandwagon? That sounds so much better!

and this is your favourite game getting embarrassed by SOTC. it goes both ways!
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ZFS | Posted 12/13/2010 11:32:06 AM | message detail
And finally, MGS4 has reason to fall significantly. It's no longer the best new game and the only thing PS3 owners have to enjoy. I actually have no problem with it falling below MGS2 which has always been quite a strong game.

Yep. Good post - that's been my thought since the contest began.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/13/2010 11:32:24 AM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #459
Yeah, I just find it funny that the people that love SotC the most are getting extremely offended at their games possibly receiving joke votes. But a bandwagon? That sounds so much better!


It really does. I wouldn't want my favorite game/character thought of as a joke. I've bandwagon-voted before. I did it for StarCraft, for instance.

Joke voting? Nah, not me.
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EvilNcr | Posted 12/13/2010 11:32:55 AM | message detail
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EvilNcr | Posted 12/13/2010 11:33:15 AM | message detail
MGS2 over MGS4?
What is it, bandwagon posting or joke posting?
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TepigMovie | Posted 12/13/2010 11:33:18 AM | message detail
Joke votes for a joke game, imhhhhho
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/13/2010 11:34:12 AM | message detail

From: transience | #462
Yeah, I just find it funny that the people that love SotC the most are getting extremely offended at their games possibly receiving joke votes. But a bandwagon? That sounds so much better!

and this is your favourite game getting embarrassed by SOTC. it goes both ways!


I'd be ecstatic if MGS4 e started receiving joke votes. It would make it stronger, and I don't care about 'keeping up contest appearances' or whatever the logic is.

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charmander6000 | Posted 12/13/2010 11:35:20 AM | message detail
The way it's going to shape up charmander is that next round, it'll make it look like MGS2>MGS4>MGS3. Pretty sure the majority of board 8 ranks the MGS series the exact opposite. How could there not be some joke voting? It's a mix of both.

Just because it feels right doesn't mean it is. Bowser defeating Yoshi was probably one of the biggest shocks in contest history to me.

And really if people decide to go with MGS4 should they meet I wouldn't blame them, it isn't like the game is performing that much worse here.
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transience | Posted 12/13/2010 11:36:41 AM | message detail
anyway, this isn't joke votes. joke votes come early in matches and then fall off late. MGS4 started out with a lead and then died once the board vote ended. if anything is getting joke votes here, it's MGS4.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/13/2010 11:39:00 AM | message detail
Solid Snake led Link for six hours and I wouldn't call that joke voting.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/13/2010 11:39:34 AM | message detail
Missingno lost the board vote to Yoshi. Are we going to say it didn't get joke votes either?

This distinction between 'joke' votes and 'bandwagon' votes is silly. They're the same thing.

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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 12/13/2010 11:40:17 AM | message detail
I wonder why some people say joke votes or stuff like that.Didn't SOTC do much more for gaming than MGS 2 and MGS 4?Now I know MGS fans will protest but come on now people,that is true.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/13/2010 11:41:30 AM | message detail
This distinction between 'joke' votes and 'bandwagon' votes is silly. They're the same thing.

This is kind of like all A is B, but not all B is A.
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Greyfeld | Posted 12/13/2010 11:42:58 AM | message detail

From: Safer Sephiroth 777 | #473
I wonder why some people say joke votes or stuff like that.Didn't SOTC do much more for gaming than MGS 2 and MGS 4?Now I know MGS fans will protest but come on now people,that is true.


This statement is pretty irrelevant to the topic being discussed.
Lightning Strikes | Posted 12/13/2010 11:43:44 AM | message detail
I can easily see MGS2>MGS4.

They both have the same hatebase for almost all the same reasons, and the main reason anyone thought MGS2 would be the weakest MGS is because of anti-votes. Really given how poorly MGS4 did in the first two rounds, this result isn't too surprising.

Now if it went on to beat MGS3 by even more than this, I'd call bandwagoning. Not that bandwagoning is necessarily a bad thing by the way. The recipients are usually worthy in some respect, that's why they get bandwagoned in the first place. And SotC is an excellent choice. It's a more niche, well respected title that you will almost always find in a list of the best games of the deade. What makes it such a good choice for bandwagon votes is this reputation-It's something everyone can get behind.

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The Mana Sword | Posted 12/13/2010 11:43:46 AM | message detail
Solid Snake led Link for six hours and I wouldn't call that joke voting.

I would!
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Greyfeld | Posted 12/13/2010 11:43:53 AM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #474
This distinction between 'joke' votes and 'bandwagon' votes is silly. They're the same thing.

This is kind of like all A is B, but not all B is A.


More or less. I guess in the end, it's all semantics though. I think we can all agree that SotC is getting a massive vote boost, though, regardless of its source.
Kotetsu534 | Posted 12/13/2010 11:44:09 AM | message detail
If this is really all, or mostly, MGS4, then SotC has no chance against MGS3 next round (which just proved it's at a similar level to where it was in '09). I expect that SotC will beat MGS3, though.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/13/2010 11:44:50 AM | message detail

From: The Mana Sword | #477
Solid Snake led Link for six hours and I wouldn't call that joke voting.

I would!


More like Crono/Vincent was joke voting!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/13/2010 11:44:56 AM | message detail
I would not take MGS3 to be near what it's 09 level is. <58% on Paper Mario in a night match is definitely a sign of weakness.

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The Real Truth | Posted 12/13/2010 11:45:18 AM | message detail
This is an awesome result. MGS4 sucks. It's too bad MGS2 and MGS3 have to lose, but at least SotC is an awesome game.
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UOTY2011 | Posted 12/13/2010 11:45:21 AM | message detail
If the casual-predicted % for this match is over 20%, then I would say SotC has real strength.

But I'm really expecting it to be around 5%, or at least less than the KH2 predicted percent (11%)
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AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 12/13/2010 11:45:23 AM | message detail
Safer Sephiroth, I'm sure this has been asked before, by why do you hate putting spaces after end of sentence punctuation?
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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 12/13/2010 11:46:05 AM | message detail
If SOTC beats MGS 3 then that will be first time ever that a series is losing from the same game in the same division right?
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vcharon | Posted 12/13/2010 11:46:28 AM | message detail
MGS2 > MGS4

All is right with the world.
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The Mana Sword | Posted 12/13/2010 11:46:48 AM | message detail
Joke voting for Vincent, I agree.
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ZFS | Posted 12/13/2010 11:47:38 AM | message detail
If the casual-predicted % for this match is over 20%, then I would say SotC has real strength.

I see.

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charmander6000 | Posted 12/13/2010 11:49:05 AM | message detail
More or less. I guess in the end, it's all semantics though. I think we can all agree that SotC is getting a massive vote boost, though, regardless of its source.

Except that this round it's likely neither, heck even among gurus we were saying SotC would have a chance just that it would be very unlikely. Think back before the contest who would you take between MGS2 and Diablo II? Considering that MGS2 did a lot better on FFX than Diablo II it's pretty obvious which one would have been the bracket favourite.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/13/2010 11:50:10 AM | message detail
I would have taken MGS2 out of fanboyism, but Diablo 2 could have beaten it and I wouldn't have batted an eyelash.

The difference there is that MGS has dropped since last contest. DIablo 2 has not. Diablo 2 probably does beat MGS2.

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charmander6000 | Posted 12/13/2010 11:51:01 AM | message detail
If the casual-predicted % for this match is over 20%, then I would say SotC has real strength.

But I'm really expecting it to be around 5%, or at least less than the KH2 predicted percent (11%)


5%? You do know SotC had over 38% getting this far?
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TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 12/13/2010 11:52:20 AM | message detail
Dropping clear out of the top 10 in closest wire-to-wire matches. Could still end up setting a new record for closest match in which the loser never leads past the first hour if MGS4 can stop the bleeding...like that'll happen.
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UOTY2011 | Posted 12/13/2010 11:53:11 AM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #491
5%? You do know SotC had over 38% getting this far?


Yes, but I don't think many expected it getting past MGS4
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TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 12/13/2010 11:54:10 AM | message detail
(Actually, the two are mutually exclusive; the current record for closest with a wire-to-wire leader is 9th on the all-time for 1-v-1s.)
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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 12/13/2010 11:54:35 AM | message detail
Casuals though make a bracket based on seeds.And SOTC is the 2 seed.I guess the prediction will be around 25%.
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UOTY2011 | Posted 12/13/2010 11:55:01 AM | message detail

From: Safer Sephiroth 777 | #495
Casuals though make a bracket based on seeds.And SOTC is the 2 seed.I guess the prediction will be around 25%.


Oh hmm that's true...
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WhiteLens | Posted 12/13/2010 11:55:40 AM | message detail
But it IS a 2-seed so the average bracket maker probably thought that if it could beat MGS2, it can beat MGS4 as well.
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TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 12/13/2010 11:56:23 AM | message detail
Eh, regardless, it'll be low. We know that because it was fairly low last round.
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UOTY2011 | Posted 12/13/2010 11:56:37 AM | message detail
Still, MGS4 is a 3-seed while MGS2 is a 7-seed.

That's a pretty big difference in seeding compared to a 2-seed
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UOTY2011 | Posted 12/13/2010 11:56:43 AM | message detail
y'all maddies
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