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transience | Posted 12/12/2010 2:33:27 PM | message detail
RE5 proved to me that GameFAQs voters can abandon a mediocre game from a great series. FF13 only wins if there's a ridiculous amount of western overlap and it sneaks into the final. even then, I might favour Galaxy.
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ZFS | Posted 12/12/2010 2:33:58 PM | message detail
FFXIII has absolutely received a lot of backlash. Not sure how you can say that, people have criticized the game from the week it released, others generally don't care for it one way or the other. It will be more popular than FFXII, but it won't be by much, certainly not enough to put one losing to Portal 60/40 and the other going 50/50 with Fallout 3 - unless you think these two games are close. FFXIII has a great comparison in RE5 - both came out early in the year, both received plenty of backlash, both stopped being talked about a month after they came out.

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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/12/2010 2:34:24 PM | message detail
Yep. Mass Effect 2 should win GOTY, only other game I could imagine competing there is either Fallout or RDR.

Mass Effect 2's chances of winning GotY are handicapped because of being released near the beginning of 2010. I went back through all of the past GotY polls and compiled a list of all the GotY winners and when their game was released.

1999 - Final Fantasy VIII (9/7/1999)
2001 - Final Fantasy X (12/17/2001)
2002 - Metroid Prime (11/17/2002)
2003 - Wind Waker (3/24/2003)
2004 - GTA: San Andreas (10/26/2004)
2005 - Resident Evil 4 (10/25/2005)
2006 - Twilight Princess (11/19/2006)
2007 - Super Mario Galaxy (11/12/2007)
2008 - Super Smash Bros. Brawl (3/9/2008)
2009 - Modern Warfare 2 (11/10/2009)

No GotY poll for 2000 exists. All release dates listed above are for the NA version. Out of all the GotY winners, only FFVIII, Wind Waker, and Brawl were not Q4 releases. FFVIII was a Q3 release, while Wind Waker and Brawl were Q1 releases. Very interesting trend there.
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Big Bob | Posted 12/12/2010 2:37:31 PM | message detail
Resident Evil 4 was released on the Gamecube in January.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/12/2010 2:39:16 PM | message detail
Resident Evil 4 was released on the Gamecube in January.

Oh yeah, you are right about that. I looked up the PS2 version instead. So make that 3 games from Q1 that have won GotY. It certainly doesn't hurt RE4 that it also came out on PS2 later in the year to give it a better chance of winning GotY.
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Assassin_Thane | Posted 12/12/2010 2:43:10 PM | message detail

From: -LusterSoldier- | #255
Resident Evil 4 was released on the Gamecube in January.

Oh yeah, you are right about that. I looked up the PS2 version instead. So make that 3 games from Q1 that have won GotY. It certainly doesn't hurt RE4 that it also came out on PS2 later in the year to give it a better chance of winning GotY.


Did you see the poll results? RE4 would have won if it was just released on GC that year.


From: LeonhartFour | #233
This post isn't funny either.


Neither is XIII's failure to progress the genre which so many people, so many fans speak negative about in this modern era. Now i liked FF13 but looking back, it's a failure and an embarassment for the JRPG genre. In 10 years time people will be speaking far more highly of XII than xIII.

From: -LusterSoldier- | #237
Recency does play a big factor in GOTY voting, I think. If a game's just come out and you like it, you're more likely to favor it over a game you played 9 months ago.

I agree. It's probably one reason why GotY polls generally aren't reliable when predicting a game's strength once it makes it into a later contest. Games released near the end of the year have more of a reason to overperform in the GotY poll than those released early in the year.


Well it depends on how good the games are and how peopel feel about them. SMG2, RDR, StarcraftII and ME2 all came out first 6 months and they WILL be the strongest games in the GOTY polls no doubt. RE4 dominated in 2005 despite coming out 2nd week january. It was head and shoulders the most loved game of 2005 on this site that year and imo sometimes coming out early can have a more positive effect...bigger time to buid fanbase.

Also in this generation you have games which are prolonged by content. Mass effect 2 has had about 3 DLC's to keep it relevant throughout the entire year. RDR just had Undead Nightmares.
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kinsho3 | Posted 12/12/2010 2:47:18 PM | message detail

From: Assassin_Thane | #176
In 10 years time people will be speaking far more highly of XII than xIII.


This is true. In all honesty, XIII has nothing going for it outside of shiny graphics.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/12/2010 2:48:54 PM | message detail
Did you see the poll results? RE4 would have won if it was just released on GC that year.

I saw the poll results, because I had to look up all the GotY polls earlier.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/12/2010 2:49:16 PM | message detail
RE4 was going to win 2005 GOTY, no matter what. It didn't have much competition.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/12/2010 2:53:15 PM | message detail
It also helps that all the heavy hitters came out early in the year. Thinking back the last three months we've had Halo: Reach, Fallout: New Vegas and Call of Duty: Black Ops.

Not the greatest Christmas holiday set.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/12/2010 2:54:18 PM | message detail
There's also Kirby and Donkey Kong, but they aren't beating SMG2.
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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 12/12/2010 2:54:59 PM | message detail
So Brawl has the most support to win this contest...
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Assassin_Thane | Posted 12/12/2010 2:55:25 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #260
It also helps that all the heavy hitters came out early in the year. Thinking back the last three months we've had Halo: Reach, Fallout: New Vegas and Call of Duty: Black Ops.

Not the greatest Christmas holiday set.


Brotherhood is probably the best game of this quarter.

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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/12/2010 2:57:15 PM | message detail

From: Assassin_Thane | #262
Brotherhood is probably the best game of this quarter.


We're not talking about how good the games are, we're talking about "which games will GameFAQs vote for". Sadly, these are often two completely different things.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/12/2010 2:58:00 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #201
Whoo, two people with the "If you don't find funny what I find funny, you don't have a sense of humor" angle.


Says the "Women are never funny" guy. You were more amusing when you had no internet access.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/12/2010 2:58:18 PM | message detail
(Protip: The "humor" isn't the big reason people love Portal.)
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/12/2010 2:59:03 PM | message detail
I made up another list. I went through all 10 of the GotY polls, took the top 3 games and looked up their release dates. Out of all the games that finished in the top 3 for their respective year, here is the distribution of games for each quarter of the year:

Q1 games - 4
Q2 games - 1
Q3 games - 5
Q4 games - 20

An easy landslide when it comes to Q4 games finishing in the top 3 for their respective GotY poll.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/12/2010 3:01:11 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #265
Says the "Women are never funny" guy. You were more amusing when you had no internet access.


Hey look, it's Ulti quoting people out of context and holding them against people long after the fact, and bringing them up when they say something he personally disagrees with, even though I apologized and deleted the post despite the fact that you were a big jerk to me over the whole ordeal.

Good to know some things never change.
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Assassin_Thane | Posted 12/12/2010 3:01:47 PM | message detail

From: Safer Sephiroth 777 | #262
So Brawl has the most support to win this contest...


I just cannot see a wii game winning GOTD. I know there's a chance that will happen but just speaking relatively..i just can't picture it.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/12/2010 3:02:12 PM | message detail
It makes sense, but we don't have much in Q4 this year, though it does give Fallout: New Vegas a chance.
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Assassin_Thane | Posted 12/12/2010 3:03:52 PM | message detail

From: TheKoolAidShoto | #264
We're not talking about how good the games are, we're talking about "which games will GameFAQs vote for". Sadly, these are often two completely different things.


Actually judging by AC2's strength i wouldn't be surprised if Brotherhood does get mroe votes than all those other games. AC has become a top top Franchise now even on this site and brotherhood seemed to have gotten more praise than those, especially New vegas which isn't going to win GOTY anywhere tbh.
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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 12/12/2010 3:04:32 PM | message detail
It is a Wii game yeah,BUT it is a sequel from a game that first appeared on N64(which everyone loves),then on GC(which fans of Nintendo love)and now on Wii(which everyone hates it).So it is not that bad.
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Kotetsu534 | Posted 12/12/2010 3:05:43 PM | message detail
Pretty amazing how badly this site has turned on FFXII (I mean really, it would struggle to post a decent number on Skies of Arcadia, woah).

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SuperAngelo128 | Posted 12/12/2010 3:08:07 PM | message detail
to be fair both UltimaterializerX and LeonhartFour can both be pretty annoying sometimes
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/12/2010 3:12:01 PM | message detail

From: SuperAngelo128 | #274
to be fair both UltimaterializerX and LeonhartFour can both be pretty annoying sometimes


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charmander6000 | Posted 12/12/2010 3:16:22 PM | message detail
Actually judging by AC2's strength i wouldn't be surprised if Brotherhood does get mroe votes than all those other games. AC has become a top top Franchise now even on this site and brotherhood seemed to have gotten more praise than those, especially New vegas which isn't going to win GOTY anywhere tbh.

Well we did pick Brawl which didn't where GotY anywhere else.

I may be wrong, but Fallout: New Vegas, Call of Duty: Black Ops and Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood all sound like quick money grabs by the companies. Again I haven't played any of them, but if the company was serious about those games they would have called it Fallout 4, Modern Warfare 3 and Assassin's Creed 3.
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transience | Posted 12/12/2010 3:18:31 PM | message detail
yeah, you're wrong.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/12/2010 3:43:19 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #268
Hey look, it's Ulti quoting people out of context


It can't be out of context when the post consisted of "Women are never funny" and nothing else, bud.

I also completely forgot about Galaxy 2 for GOTY. It's got a legit chance.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/12/2010 3:45:57 PM | message detail
Galaxy 2 winning would be the most random thing considering the Wii and that the game came and went.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/12/2010 3:47:12 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #278
It can't be out of context when the post consisted of "Women are never funny" and nothing else, bud.


It's pretty easy to be out of context when you leave out the fact that it wasn't a serious post, and it was something I later apologized for and deleted. So yeah.

But whatever. Nothing you could possibly say could ruin my mood at the moment (Ask KoolAid about that).

And a word of advice: When you do things like that, you end up looking worse than the person you're trying to insult.

Not meant to be a put down. Just serious, friendly advice. It makes you look really petty when you bring up things out of nowhere like that.
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Pizzaknight | Posted 12/12/2010 4:06:44 PM | message detail
Anybody else besides me subscribe to the theory of "Brawl will beat Melee, but raging Melee supporters and Wii detractors will prevent it from beating FFX."?

It's possible, but I'm also prepared to be wrong. =P
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vcharon | Posted 12/12/2010 4:10:39 PM | message detail

From: Pizzaknight | #281
Anybody else besides me subscribe to the theory of "Brawl will beat Melee, but raging Melee supporters and Wii detractors will prevent it from beating FFX."?

It's possible, but I'm also prepared to be wrong. =P


Only if at the last moment they realize what a good game is.
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lightsout06 | Posted 12/12/2010 4:13:54 PM | message detail

From: Pizzaknight | #281
Anybody else besides me subscribe to the theory of "Brawl will beat Melee, but raging Melee supporters and Wii detractors will prevent it from beating FFX."?

It's possible, but I'm also prepared to be wrong. =P


If that is what it takes for FFX to win, Im all for that
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EvilNcr | Posted 12/12/2010 4:42:13 PM | message detail

From: LOLContests | #250
It's not 4 years old, and there's been no backlash to it, or at least not anything comparable to FFXII's.


Wait WHAT?! No backslash?! Are you f***ing kidding?

FFX - 8.9 GameFAQs, 9.2 GameRankings, 8.8 Reader Reviews. - Critically acclaimed, very popular with fanbase
FFXII - 8.2 GameFAQs, 9.1 GameRankings, 7.3 Reader Reviews - Criticically acclaimed, mixed reception
FFXIII - 8.1 GameFAQs, 8.5 GameRankings, 7.1 Reader Reviews - Lukewarm critics, mixed reception again. (and it has half the votes of FFXII so it's likely to go down even more with time)

How dense can you get?
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Bigwig_rah | Posted 12/12/2010 4:57:25 PM | message detail
So who's ready for the epic Paper Mario > MGS3 upset tonight. I know I am!
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SuperAngelo128 | Posted 12/12/2010 4:59:13 PM | message detail
Paper Mario over MGS3 would be amazing
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Iamthekuzalol | Posted 12/12/2010 4:59:31 PM | message detail
I know i am ready for a great MGS3's performance later tonight. 60% on Paper Mario, here we go.
Pizzaknight | Posted 12/12/2010 4:59:50 PM | message detail
Going from a 9.1 GameRankings average to an 8.5 is the equivalent of jumping from critically acclaimed to lukewarm?

That's quite the exaggeration, but you're still correct about the FFXIII backlash.
Greyfeld | Posted 12/12/2010 5:01:01 PM | message detail

From: Bigwig_rah | #286
So who's ready for the epic Paper Mario > MGS3 upset tonight. I know I am!


LOL what's funny is that for some dumb reason, I actually put PM>MGS3 in my bracket. I don't know what the hell I was thinking at the time.
TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/12/2010 5:01:16 PM | message detail
EvilNcr = LMS alt?
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IngmarBirdman | Posted 12/12/2010 5:02:06 PM | message detail
Dunno man, the way voters are here, seems like anything less than an 8 is a travesty.

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EvilNcr | Posted 12/12/2010 5:02:24 PM | message detail
For Final Fantasy, yes it is. The series is so big critics don't even dare dock it to its real value. So instead of giving it the 6 or 7 it deserves, they go with 8 or 9 to avoid dealing with the mobs of angry fans.
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EvilNcr | Posted 12/12/2010 5:04:03 PM | message detail

From: TheKoolAidShoto | #291
EvilNcr = LMS alt?


Who's LMS and where did you get the brilliant idea that a regular with ... lemme check... 3558 Karma is an alt?
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Greyfeld | Posted 12/12/2010 5:07:10 PM | message detail

From: Pizzaknight | #289
Going from a 9.1 GameRankings average to an 8.5 is the equivalent of jumping from critically acclaimed to lukewarm?

That's quite the exaggeration, but you're still correct about the FFXIII backlash.


I dunno, I don't use gamerankings, I use metacritic (which is a difference of a 92 for FFX and FF12, and an 83 for FF13). The thing is though, you're not looking at a 10 point drop from one website, you're looking at an average 10 point drop, which means that a LOT of different websites dropped their ratings from one installment to the next. So yeah, 10 points is pretty huge, especially for a franchise who put out 5 single player games in a row that all scored a 90+.
TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/12/2010 5:09:12 PM | message detail

From: EvilNcr | #292
Who's LMS and where did you get the brilliant idea that a regular with ... lemme check... 3558 Karma is an alt?


LMS = EvilNcr alt?
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Greyfeld | Posted 12/12/2010 5:10:00 PM | message detail
To put it into perspective, these are Metacritic scores:

FF7 - 92
FF8 - 90
FF9 - 94
FFX - 92
FF12 - 92
FF13 - 83
EvilNcr | Posted 12/12/2010 5:12:56 PM | message detail

From: TheKoolAidShoto | #296
LMS = EvilNcr alt?


LOL! Good one. No seriously, what's LMS full username because it just doesn't ring any bell. My only alts are Ncr and Heroic Ramza (used to be Ncrdrg and EvilNcr was the alt but first one was banned). And I don't know many alts with contributor pages, mind you.
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Pizzaknight | Posted 12/12/2010 5:13:20 PM | message detail
Fair enough, guys. It's FREAKING FINAL FANTASY, after all.

This situation actually reminds me of the 8.8 incident with Twilight Princess. Many lols were had back then.....
Greyfeld | Posted 12/12/2010 5:19:41 PM | message detail

From: EvilNcr | #298
LOL! Good one. No seriously, what's LMS full username because it just doesn't ring any bell. My only alts are Ncr and Heroic Ramza (used to be Ncrdrg and EvilNcr was the alt but first one was banned). And I don't know many alts with contributor pages, mind you.


LMS = LinkMarioSamus