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abdou | Posted 12/8/2010 12:11:43 PM | message detail
you can still get modded even after you delete your message if it was marked, I think.
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LOLContests | Posted 12/8/2010 12:12:00 PM | message detail
I don't know why games aren't just subbed. Very few cinephiles would watch a dubbed version of a foreign film. Not sure why it's any different with games.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/8/2010 12:15:32 PM | message detail

From: LOLContests | #052
I don't know why games aren't just subbed. Very few cinephiles would watch a dubbed version of a foreign film. Not sure why it's any different with games.
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What bothers me about dubbed films is that the way people talk are never matched up with their lips, and it bugs the s*** out of me to not being hearing the actual words. With something like FFX, the animations for talking are all over the place anyway, so might as well get it in a language I know. Its even better with FF12 or 13 where the lyp-syncing has advanced to a stage that its actually possible.
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Ultimaphazon | Posted 12/8/2010 12:16:17 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #046
We agree on a lot, Twin <3


Let's see:
You like MGS2, I think it's the worst in the series, with 3 being the best.
You like Earthbound, it's the one rpg I've played that I couldn't even finish because it bored me that much.

Ok, so that's all I can really think of right away, but that's because I don't know your opinion on everything.
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Greyfeld | Posted 12/8/2010 12:16:57 PM | message detail
It's sad seeing people bash two of my favorite all-time RPGs (FFIX and FFX), but I can't really change any opinion. All I can really do is sit here and say, NO U.
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TheCodeisBosco | Posted 12/8/2010 12:17:37 PM | message detail
Half-Life's looking pretty good here! Nice. :D It's probably going to lose the ASV pretty badly, but even still, I was expecting a 52-48 result here - and it's bound to end up quite a bit better than that.

MP/HL2 is still wide open, if you ask me... I doubt Fallout 3 would lose to either one, though, but I could be wrong.

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TheCodeisBosco | Posted 12/8/2010 12:19:18 PM | message detail
You like Earthbound, it's the one rpg I've played that I couldn't even finish because it bored me that much.

What did you find boring about EarthBound? Just curious - I didn't think there was a single boring moment in the entire game, personally!

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/8/2010 12:19:57 PM | message detail
It's very easy to get bored by EarthBound, especially when you're about 2/3rds through.
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FFI3_Lightning | Posted 12/8/2010 12:20:11 PM | message detail
Oh wait i just realsied this time next week we will be hours away from the most hyped match of the contest. Can't wait.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/8/2010 12:21:28 PM | message detail

From: Ultimaphazon | #054
You like MGS2, I think it's the worst in the series, with 3 being the best.
You like Earthbound, I couldn't even finish because it bored me that much.


Screw Ulti, I think WE might be twins.
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Ultimaphazon | Posted 12/8/2010 12:22:58 PM | message detail
I had absolutely no fun playing Earthbound. I stopped after reaching Fourside. I hated the gameplay, and I really didn't find any of the humor funny at all. Only good thing about that game was automatically winning fights when the enemies were a couple levels lower than Ness.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/8/2010 12:23:18 PM | message detail
I don't really want games to be subbed like movies, because that would make it seem so.....foreign. I doubt Square, for example, wants to market Final Fantasy in the US as an overtly Japanese thing either. The best way is to have no voice acting and have text for everything (that's right!).
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/8/2010 12:24:42 PM | message detail
"Only"? Dude that was by far the best part of the game.
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ZFS | Posted 12/8/2010 12:32:15 PM | message detail
Final Fantasy has been a very Japanese game for a long time now. I don't think keeping the voices makes it any more Japanese than it was before, but it's something they would never do, anyway, because people wouldn't like it -- and they're more likely to be put off from buying than the other way around. Kind of a shame, but that's how that works. More smaller games do need to take advantage of subtitles instead of putting really atrocious English voice work in their games, though - it'd save them time and money on the localization.

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charmander6000 | Posted 12/8/2010 12:32:47 PM | message detail
I don't know why games aren't just subbed. Very few cinephiles would watch a dubbed version of a foreign film. Not sure why it's any different with games.

While true cinephiles make up like 1% of movie watchers. I really doubt gaming would be anywhere near as popular if they weren't dubbed.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/8/2010 12:36:08 PM | message detail
FFVII feels the most Western out of all the modern Final Fantasy games, and I think there is some (a little) connection between that and its sales success in the West.
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Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest.
TheCodeisBosco | Posted 12/8/2010 12:36:14 PM | message detail
It's very easy to get bored by EarthBound, especially when you're about 2/3rds through.

Huh, maybe I'm just weird then. To me, EarthBound is one of the few games I've played that's consistently awesome from beginning to end (in other words, no filler or anything).

I had absolutely no fun playing Earthbound. I stopped after reaching Fourside. I hated the gameplay, and I really didn't find any of the humor funny at all. Only good thing about that game was automatically winning fights when the enemies were a couple levels lower than Ness.

I personally love the gameplay, especially since it's surprisingly challenging for a Nintendo game; but I can see how people wouldn't like it. The humor, though... man! I thought it was spot-on. Definitely the funniest game I've ever played, though to be fair, I haven't been able to play Grim Fandango yet.

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The n00b Avenger | Posted 12/8/2010 12:37:06 PM | message detail
HL2 and Metroid Prime still up in the air, yay. You did it HL2, you really did it
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abdou | Posted 12/8/2010 12:37:42 PM | message detail
Games that aren't expected to make alot of money should be subbed..this way the publisher can localize the game with minimum budget. I wouldn't mind if Namco Bandai brings us Tales of Graces F with subs only. Better than nothing .
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pjbasis | Posted 12/8/2010 12:38:59 PM | message detail
I'm curious, Utli(materializerX).

If you think Tidus' VA is bad, what other games do you think have great voice acting?
WhiteLens | Posted 12/8/2010 12:43:33 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #036
That's just it, KP. In Japan, he sounds almost as gruff as Auron.


Really? To me he sounds like Ichigo Kurosaki from Bleach. >_>
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/8/2010 12:44:09 PM | message detail

From: pjbasis | #070
I'm curious, Utli(materializerX).

If you think Tidus' VA is bad, what other games do you think have great voice acting?


SotC
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/8/2010 12:47:53 PM | message detail

From: pjbasis | #070
I'm curious, Utli(materializerX).

If you think Tidus' VA is bad, what other games do you think have great voice acting?


All four Metal Gear Solid games, BioShock 1 and 2, Kingdom Hearts 1, Final Fantasy 13, pretty much every single Blizzard game, a whole host of fighting games, Heavy Rain, Tales of Symphonia (well, some of the characters more than others), Planescape Torment, Grim Fandango, REmake and RE4, and probably a lot more I'm forgetting.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/8/2010 12:48:36 PM | message detail
The voice effect for Nimrod in SotC was pretty cool, I won't deny this.
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EvilNcr | Posted 12/8/2010 1:01:50 PM | message detail

From: Ultimaphazon | #054
Let's see:
You like MGS2, I think it's the worst in the series, with 3 being the best.
You like Earthbound, it's the one rpg I've played that I couldn't even finish because it bored me that much.


Oh wow. I never thought I'd live to see the day of someone who hate Earthbound as much as I do. I like MGS2 but I recognize it's still the worst of the 4. I think MGS4 is the best, MGS3 next then MGS then MGS2. Then again, my reasoning is on gameplay for MGS4>MGS3. I never liked the camouflage stuff. As far as story goes, MGS3>>>everything
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pjbasis | Posted 12/8/2010 1:03:48 PM | message detail
Haven't played half the things you mentioned, but I think Tales and REmake are a bit of a stretch.

And, do you actually hate the quality of Tidus' delivery or just the fact that the guy wasn't "suited" to voice him?
TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/8/2010 1:05:04 PM | message detail
Yay, HL2 isn't totally embarrassing itself with the ASV.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/8/2010 1:06:17 PM | message detail
The guy wasn't suited for him and came off like a whiny tool for a majority of the game, when Tidus isn't really a whiny character. Tidus and Yuna are great characters and I like them both, but it's not because of their VAs.

I was comparing REmake to the original when I played it, leave me alone >_>
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/8/2010 1:07:19 PM | message detail
Tales is not a stretch. Raine's VA in particular was outstanding.

I also forgot to mention the Legacy of Kain games. You will not find better voice work.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/8/2010 1:22:03 PM | message detail

From: Ultimaphazon | #054
You like MGS2, I think it's the worst in the series, with 3 being the best.
You like Earthbound, it's the one rpg I've played that I couldn't even finish because it bored me that much.


Good man.

And what the heck has happened in this topic since this match started? My word, I can't even begin to address all this nonsense!

(LOL Action games)

But seriously, HL2 did its part. Let's see what next round holds.
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Haste_2 | Posted 12/8/2010 1:24:36 PM | message detail
HL2 and Metroid Prime still up in the air, yay. You did it HL2, you really did it

I think you mean HL2 is the clear favorite at this point. ¬_¬ I was needing GTA3 to be weaker than it was....

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EvilNcr | Posted 12/8/2010 1:25:11 PM | message detail
Oh and on the subject on dubbing, I heavily favor dubbing for videogames but heavily favor subs for movies/anime.
Then again, gaming has some of the best dubbers. If only its quality would be translated to foreign movies / anime, I might actually watch dubbed stuff.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/8/2010 1:25:14 PM | message detail
Last night's chart:

Time | M. Prime | Okami | Votes
0:05 | 62.35% | 37.65% | 1004
1:00 | 60.89% | 39.11% | 6683
2:00 | 59.07% | 40.93% | 4202
3:00 | 58.26% | 41.74% | 2911
4:00 | 56.93% | 43.07% | 2324
5:00 | 53.14% | 46.86% | 1895
6:00 | 53.89% | 46.11% | 1850
7:00 | 56.48% | 43.52% | 2247
8:00 | 57.75% | 42.25% | 2561
9:00 | 58.25% | 41.75% | 3006
10:00 | 58.97% | 41.03% | 2959
11:00 | 57.29% | 42.71% | 3196
12:00 | 59.18% | 40.82% | 2942

Prime only manages a 60% hour during the Power Hour. Okami rocks a couple of hours during the deep night, but other than that, the percentages were relatively even.

Upper Half Stats

Metroid Prime – 50.00%
Okami – 41.84%
Mega Man 9 – 36.56%
Devil May Cry 3: Dante’s Awakening – 35.39%
Demon’s Souls – 34.37%
Star Ocean: Till the End of Time – 26.66%
Mother 3 – 24.87%
No More Heroes – 23.92%
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/8/2010 1:26:53 PM | message detail
And an early look at our lower half stats!

Lower Half Stats

Half-Life 2 – 50.00%
God of War – 44.90%
Grand Theft Auto III – 43.83%
Tales of Symphonia – 43.59%
Resident Evil 5 – 41.69%
LittleBigPlanet – 33.33%
Left 4 Dead – 31.17%
Left 4 Dead 2 – 25.52%

HL2 needs to stay above 54.85% for GTA3 > ToS to hold, for the record.
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transients | Posted 12/8/2010 1:30:22 PM | message detail
looks like next round will be Tales vs. Okami with Metroid having the benefit of the day vote.

Leon, can you set Half-Life 2 and Prime equal and show division stats? that'll give us an idea.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/8/2010 1:30:34 PM | message detail
If RE4 came out of left field to win the entire contest, would you really complain? I could be in 1st place with a guaranteed win and I wouldn't care if RE4 ruined that.

It's f***ing RE4.
- Ulti

Best post all day.
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EvilNcr | Posted 12/8/2010 1:31:17 PM | message detail
A GTA game winning a clutch match doesn't hold anyway. Should count as a stats. If within 2%, consider this a loss for GTA.
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ZFS | Posted 12/8/2010 1:32:50 PM | message detail
(LOL Action games)

'lol gamefaqs' seems more appropriate here

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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/8/2010 1:34:25 PM | message detail

From: transients | #085
looks like next round will be Tales vs. Okami with Metroid having the benefit of the day vote.

Leon, can you set Half-Life 2 and Prime equal and show division stats? that'll give us an idea.


Yeah, here's what we get.

Metroid Prime – 50.00%
Half-Life 2 - 50.00%
God of War - 44.90%
Grand Theft Auto III - 43.83%
Tales of Symphonia - 43.59%
Okami – 41.84%
Resident Evil 5 - 41.69%
Mega Man 9 – 36.56%
Devil May Cry 3: Dante’s Awakening – 35.39%
Demon’s Souls – 34.37%
LittleBigPlanet - 33.33%
Left 4 Dead - 31.17%
Star Ocean: Till the End of Time – 26.66%
Left 4 Dead 2 - 25.52%
Mother 3 – 24.87%
No More Heroes – 23.92%


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transients | Posted 12/8/2010 1:35:35 PM | message detail
Okami vs. RE5, eh?

looks like it'll be a great match. I'd give Metroid a 51/49 edge.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/8/2010 1:35:40 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #089
Tales of Symphonia - 43.59%
Okami – 41.84%


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ZFS | Posted 12/8/2010 1:36:29 PM | message detail
Tales of Symphonia - 43.59%
Okami – 41.84%


Time for Metroid Prime to crush.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/8/2010 1:50:10 PM | message detail
Eh, I'd take Symphonia over Okami and feel pretty good about it, honestly. I know Okami gets a lot of respect, and this kind of contest would help it if people take the name at face value, but...I'm not entirely convinced of its strength.

Not to say that the match wouldn't be a tossup (because it would, I'm not sure why anyone would feel any differently), but I'd feel good about taking Symphonia there. In a close match, give me the JRPG 99 times out of 100 (the 1 time being DR over TWEWY, I guess).
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transients | Posted 12/8/2010 1:53:09 PM | message detail
I think it'd be a 50/50 in a 24 hour match, but Prime being able to avoid that brutal Europe vote will help it out a lot. I also simply trust the Nintendo entrant more than the Valve one on this website.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/8/2010 2:01:19 PM | message detail
I'm preparing my Valve rallying skills as we speak!
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/8/2010 2:02:14 PM | message detail
Sounds like the same reason why people took FFXII > Portal and SMS > Halo 3

It doesn't always work.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/8/2010 2:02:30 PM | message detail
Buy/Sell: Valve promises Half-Life 2: Episode 3 if HL2 wins Game of the Decade, HL2 wins the contest.
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Haste_2 | Posted 12/8/2010 2:03:31 PM | message detail
In Okami's defense, it was in a night match, so it will be a bit inflated in the stats. Still, I agree with Leonhart about Okami beating Tales. Okami was beaten by Halo 2 without too much trouble last time.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/8/2010 2:03:31 PM | message detail
This is a masterful ASV hold, and CA is backing HL2 with 57.5% right now. This could be 55/45 all day.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/8/2010 2:03:36 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #096
Sounds like the same reason why people took FFXII > Portal and SMS > Halo 3

It doesn't always work.


Yes, but I took Halo 3!

And Tales of Symphonia doesn't have a significant hate base among its series fanbase!
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