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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/5/2010 10:05:57 PM | message detail

From: HaRRicH | #047
Add Sonic and Mega Man to that list.


Yeah, I can go with that, putting aside my "Sonic 1 was my first video game bias". I never go back to those two originals when the sequels do the same thing, but a lot better.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/5/2010 10:06:27 PM | message detail
I think the MGS games have shown that they're clearly weaker this contest.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/5/2010 10:06:28 PM | message detail

From: HaRRicH | #047
Add Sonic and Mega Man to that list.


Oh hey, and guess what Sonic game looked the strongest in the Games Contest...!

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X_Stats | Posted 12/5/2010 10:06:38 PM | message detail
I must ask KP have you played either AC game and been part of the community? Like others have said it seems that you're trying to use stats to fit your theory instead of using common sense.

I'm not sure what exactly KP's theory is, but this compels me to agree with it.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/5/2010 10:06:53 PM | message detail
Oh, and Team Fortress. Its like night and day with Team Fortress(oh, what a glorious day).
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/5/2010 10:07:30 PM | message detail
A large contingent of TF2 fans probably don't even know there's a TF1, title be damned.

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ZFS | Posted 12/5/2010 10:07:42 PM | message detail
I don't think that's too much of a surprise, or it isn't to me. I figured MGS would end up weaker heading into this year than it has been in the past couple. Just one of those things that makes sense.

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charmander6000 | Posted 12/5/2010 10:08:00 PM | message detail
I've played both games. AC1 blows. AC2 is awesome. Your arguments still don't make any sense.

And your's crappy first game > fan favourite second game does?
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/5/2010 10:08:04 PM | message detail
Could Super Mario Bros count as a sequel to Mario Bros? Hell yeah it could.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/5/2010 10:08:43 PM | message detail
Do the Asian voters actively hate and purposely anti-vote Zelda? I can't believe games like AC and God of War are worth enough of a damn over there to double anything, let alone a console Zelda. I'm half convinced some dude calling himself "The Triforce Killer" went on a murder spree through the Philippines years ago.
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IngmarBirdman | Posted 12/5/2010 10:09:01 PM | message detail
Fallout a mediocre original? Wow that's a joke.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/5/2010 10:09:22 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #058
I've played both games. AC1 blows. AC2 is awesome. Your arguments still don't make any sense.

And your's crappy first game > fan favourite second game does?


You mean the thing that has happened in many cases?

Of course it's not going to happen in every case. You need to be smart enough to realize when applying it would be stupid, like with Final Fantasy. And AC2 could be stronger anyway. But there is definite precedent for AC1 being stronger, and trying to deny it like crazy is just plain nearsighted.

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HaRRicH | Posted 12/5/2010 10:10:12 PM | message detail
Guys, guys...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4163&region=USXWY
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/5/2010 10:10:31 PM | message detail
AC and God of War always have great Asia votes. Look at some previous polls.

They also hate Zelda, so it's a double whammy.

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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/5/2010 10:10:39 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #060
Do the Asian voters actively hate and purposely anti-vote Zelda? I can't believe games like AC and God of War are worth enough of a damn over there to double anything, let alone a console Zelda. I'm half convinced some dude calling himself "The Triforce Killer" went on a murder spree through the Philippines years ago.


God of War and AC both take place in Europe. Coincidence or secret European pride booster?

But then how do we explain RE4?
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/5/2010 10:10:57 PM | message detail
You mean the thing that has happened in many cases?

Of course it's not going to happen in every case. You need to be smart enough to realize when applying it would be stupid, like with Final Fantasy. And AC2 could be stronger anyway. But there is definite precedent for AC1 being stronger, and trying to deny it like crazy is just plain nearsighted.


You mean God of War and Devil May Cry, which were both loved by their fanbases? Assassin's Creed is closer to Mass Effect/Uncharted than those guys.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/5/2010 10:12:27 PM | message detail
Not the same scenario. In fact, AC1/AC2 is sort of unique that way. It'll be interesting to how the X-stats end up panning out (at least it would be if there wasn't going to be a crapload of SFF in it).

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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/5/2010 10:16:23 PM | message detail

From: HaRRicH | #063
Guys, guys...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4163&region=USXWY


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4163&region=US&map=1

Beautiful.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/5/2010 10:16:41 PM | message detail
Ugh what an update. I'll see ya'll tomorrow morning!
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LOLContests | Posted 12/5/2010 10:17:26 PM | message detail
MGS and its characters have always risen and fallen in relation to votals.

2003: Votals and Snake both go up.
2004: Votals drop off drastically and MGS collapses.
2005: Votals rise a little and Snake recovers a little
2006: Big increase in votals, big increase in Snake's popularity.
2007/2008: Votals increase, but Snake doesn't increase untill 2008
2009: MGS looks more popular tan 2004, and higher votals
2010: Votals for characters fall off some and Snake falls off some. Votals drop drastically for this contest, and MGS completely falls off.

I know it's probably all just coincidence, but interesting to notice.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/5/2010 10:19:44 PM | message detail
2003: Votals and Snake both go up.

Not exactly, Snake was pretty constant.
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LOLContests | Posted 12/5/2010 10:22:59 PM | message detail
Not exactly, Snake was pretty constant.

Hmm. Looking at 2003, I guess Snake was a little lower than I thought he was. Regardless, Crono probably overperformed against Mario in 2002. He had a ton of momentum behind him, and Ceej has indicated that there were at least 1,000 votes for Crono in the match that were never removed
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creativename | Posted 12/5/2010 10:42:45 PM | message detail

From: Greyfeld | #048
You can only prove a theory false if you use examples set under the same condition under the games in question. None of those games you mentioned were under the same circumstances, so you didn't really disprove anything, honestly. Keep in mind, I'm not saying that you're wrong, I'm just saying that your argument has more holes than a slice of swiss cheese.

Also, LOL @ somebody quoting Black Turtle.


My argument has no "holes" dude. You're just confused or something. I provided plenty of counter-examples to "original being stronger" - the list of examples that prove that false is endless. This "hype" theory is just some stuff that he's forcing.

Also are you talking to me about BT? Are you saying I quoted BT...? Or are you talking to somebody else?


From: KamikazePotato | #050
And apparently no one can agree on what was more hyped than something else.


Part of the reason your "hype level" stuff doesn't hold much water.


From: KamikazePotato | #056
A large contingent of TF2 fans probably don't even know there's a TF1, title be damned.


Reminds me of how back in the day, pretty much nobody was aware SF1 existed. Like literally, any time someone heard of that game for the first time (including myself!) they always went "wait a minute, there's a Street Fighter 1? oh wait a minute, duh" People just never thought about it!


From: TheKoolAidShoto | #059
Could Super Mario Bros count as a sequel to Mario Bros? Hell yeah it could.


...and this is an even more extreme example than SF1! I don't think I was aware there was a Mario Bros. until the late 90's or early 2000's. The vast majority of gamers probably still have no idea.


From: KamikazePotato | #062
Of course it's not going to happen in every case. You need to be smart enough to realize when applying it would be stupid, like with Final Fantasy. And AC2 could be stronger anyway. But there is definite precedent for AC1 being stronger, and trying to deny it like crazy is just plain nearsighted.


Uh. Are you trying to say FF1 was crappy? It was considered classic at the time, the game was awesome for its day. Another example that doesn't fit, at all.
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Greyfeld | Posted 12/5/2010 10:45:30 PM | message detail
Also are you talking to me about BT? Are you saying I quoted BT...? Or are you talking to somebody else?

Nah, somebody else in the thread quoted BT's ridiculous rant about why GSC has an uphill battle against MM in a week.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/5/2010 10:45:37 PM | message detail
I only know of Mario Bros because Nintendo saw fit to put it into EVERY SINGLE MARIO ADVANCE GAME.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/5/2010 10:46:45 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #049
Oh man, if WW beats MGS4 with more than 52.5%, I can start claiming WW > FFX and LTTP > FFX with 60%.


Too bad MGS4 this year isn't as strong as last year.

And we'll get a decent chance to see which of these is stronger between AC1 and AC2 soon enough since their division winners will face off.

I don't really expect the difference in strength between either game to be that huge, so you could essentially set them as equals and not have much problem. I wouldn't automatically be proclaiming AC1 is stronger though. There are reasons for either game to be the stronger one.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/5/2010 10:52:00 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #053
Oh hey, and guess what Sonic game looked the strongest in the Games Contest...!


Only because fans were stupid enough to nominate Sonic 3 rather than Sonic & Knuckles, and S3&K isn't allowed!

And I'm not sure Sonic 1 looked stronger than Sonic 2 anyhow. 41.42% against FFIV vs. 38.11% on Link's Awakening...I might give the edge to Sonic 2 there, actually. Link's Awakening would probably beat FFIV decently well.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/5/2010 11:04:28 PM | message detail
Yesterday's chart:

Time | MKWii | G/S/C | Votes
0:05 | 27.38% | 72.62% | 756
1:00 | 29.12% | 70.88% | 7774
2:00 | 28.19% | 71.81% | 6779
3:00 | 28.82% | 71.18% | 6191
4:00 | 28.71% | 71.29% | 5476
5:00 | 29.12% | 70.88% | 5193
6:00 | 29.36% | 70.64% | 4744
7:00 | 29.86% | 70.14% | 4246
8:00 | 29.62% | 70.38% | 3842
9:00 | 30.37% | 69.63% | 3464
10:00 | 29.32% | 70.68% | 3271
11:00 | 29.68% | 70.32% | 2827
12:00 | 28.57% | 71.43% | 2541

Not much shifting considering this was a day match between two Nintendo games. MKWii manages one hour over 30%, and seems to do slightly better with the ASV than G/S/C did (whoops).

Second Quarter

Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal – 50.00%
Mario Kart Wii – 29.14%
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney – 27.11%
Advance Wars – 26.72%
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Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 12/5/2010 11:06:11 PM | message detail
MKWii manages one hour over 30%, and seems to do slightly better with the ASV than G/S/C did (whoops).

No ASV. It was a weekend match.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/5/2010 11:07:34 PM | message detail
Oh right.

That "(whoops)" was for me, obviously.

Being 7 hours ahead messes everything up, dagnabit!
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creativename | Posted 12/5/2010 11:11:47 PM | message detail
TRE, have censor bypass rules changed in recent times?

I remember you never used to be able to use the starting letter of a curse and then asterisks. For instance if a 4 letter curse began with x, you couldn't say "x***". But I see people doing this constantly now. Is this allowed now, or just unenforced, or just mostly unenforced?
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LordOfDabu | Posted 12/5/2010 11:14:36 PM | message detail
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Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 12/5/2010 11:17:23 PM | message detail
TRE, have censor bypass rules changed in recent times?

They have:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/6-message-board-announcements/57193150
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creativename | Posted 12/5/2010 11:23:57 PM | message detail
Thanks guys :)

Also, "fake profanity" like "frack" or "smurf" will be allowed

I take exception to "smurf" being considered fake anything! That's not very smurfy of Allen, not smurfy at all.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/5/2010 11:25:16 PM | message detail
Wait, "smurf" is considered fake profanity?

Where and by whom?
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IngmarBirdman | Posted 12/5/2010 11:36:01 PM | message detail
Bullsmurf!

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Kotetsu534 | Posted 12/6/2010 2:46:38 AM | message detail
I think that's the first time a Zelda game's been cut in this contest... man, my oracle is gonna be poor here; thought ACII would be weaker than GoW2.

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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 12/6/2010 3:57:44 AM | message detail
I had hoped that AC 2 would break 40% but Nintendofaqs...
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/6/2010 4:27:55 AM | message detail
Man, I can't believe round 3 starts tomorrow. Rank the round 3 matches in terms of interest to you!

KH1/KH2
MM/GSC
Uncharted 2/Halo 1
GoW1/HL2
FFX/GS
Melee/CoD4
MGS3/PM
MGS4/SOTC
WW/Oblivion (or if it's TTYD, you can move this one WAY down the line)
KOTOR/FFIX
Prime/Okami
Galaxy/TP
Portal/ME
RE4/P4
Fallout 3/Batman
Brawl/DPP
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ctesjbuvf | Posted 12/6/2010 5:54:43 AM | message detail
Zelda: Majora's Mask vs Pokemon Crystal
Uncharted 2 vs Halo
Portal vs Mass Effect
Kingdom Hearts II vs Kingdom Hearts
Metal Gear Solid 4 vs Shadow of the Colossus
Zelda: Wind Waker vs. Whoever wins today probably Oblivion
God of War vs Half-Life 2
Super Mario Galaxy vs Zelda: Twilight Princess
Metal Gear Solid 3 vs Paper Mario
Star Wars: KOTOR vs Final Fantasy IX
Metroid Prime vs Okami
Fallout 3 vs Batman Arkham Asylum
Resident Evil 4 vs Persona 4
Final Fantasy X vs Golden Sun
Super Smash Bros Melee vs Call of Duty 4
Pokemon Platinum vs Super Smash Bros Brawl
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TheOneAboveAll | Posted 12/6/2010 6:10:14 AM | message detail
Is there any archive where I can find things like the GOTY polls and stuff? I still can't find a reason why Oblivion is the favorite and I've been searching for two days straight now.
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/6/2010 6:11:55 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html

Use the search bar at the bottom to find whatever you want.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/6/2010 6:15:31 AM | message detail
You know, Wind Waker's prediction percentage here is going to be ridiculously low. It didn't even have 60% getting past GoW2, and now it's facing AC2. I wonder how low it'll go this round, and how few brackets will actually have it in the divisional finals.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/6/2010 6:17:50 AM | message detail
Wow wind Waker looks like ass here.
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Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 12/6/2010 6:18:02 AM | message detail
KOTOR/FFIX
KH1/KH2
MM/GSC
MGS3/PM
Uncharted 2/Halo 1
Galaxy/TP
FFX/GS
GoW1/HL2
MGS4/SOTC
Melee/CoD4
WW/Oblivion (or if it's TTYD, you can move this one WAY down the line)
Prime/Okami
Portal/ME
Brawl/DPP
RE4/P4
Fallout 3/Batman
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/6/2010 6:19:31 AM | message detail
Nah, I think Wind Waker looks fine. AC2 is a strong game. After seeing SOTC beat MGS2, that performance on ICO doesn't look QUITE so bad, really.
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Thanks Leon.
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/6/2010 6:33:54 AM | message detail
Man, the overnight was not kind to Wind Waker.

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TheOneAboveAll | Posted 12/6/2010 6:34:25 AM | message detail
Wait, so we saw Oblivion get soundly beaten by Gears of War twice in GOTY polls, we just saw TTYD 60-40 GoW, and we're still calling Oblivion the favorite? Why exactly?
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/6/2010 6:39:20 AM | message detail

From: TheOneAboveAll | #099
Wait, so we saw Oblivion get soundly beaten by Gears of War twice in GOTY polls, we just saw TTYD 60-40 GoW, and we're still calling Oblivion the favorite? Why exactly?


Because the Oblivion in that GOTY poll was a port, and ports don't do well in polls.

And Gears of War used to not be total crap once upon a time, too.
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