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SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote. This is the best example of SFF we've ever seen. However take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make perfect sense.

Extrapolated Standings - The mathematical "strength" of a contestant that's determined based on their performance relative to the rest of the field. This number is typically based on the contest entrant's loss, but adjustments are sometimes made. See above for a watered down explanation for how the stats are calculated.

Noble Nine - Link, Cloud, Solid Snake, Sephiroth, Mario, Crono, Sonic, Samus and Mega Man

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Uncharted 2 > Halo (crosses fingers)

HAHAHAHA, you're such a loser.

Anyway, carry on folks. LOL Zelda
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From: charmander6000 | #497
You get the picture. We've seen it too many times.

Melee is more liked than SSB64, Fallout 3 is more liked than Fallout, Street Fighter II is more liked than Street Fighter, Grand Theft Auto III is more liked than Grand Theft Auto

I can play the same game. People need to stop having this mental block that the original is the strongest and look at the bloody games in question.

All of the situations you just mentioned were where the second/third/whatever game in the series was much more hyped than the original. It wasn't that way with AC1. AC1 got most of the pre-release hype; AC2 was a somewhat more subdued release.

Remember that AC1 crushed DMC1 in its vote-in almost as badly as KOTOR did.

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DMC3 is also more liked than DMC1. And Resident Evil 2 is more liked than RE1. And DKC2 is more liked than DKC. And GoW2 is more liked than GoW1. And...

I've also argued for the originals in 3/4 games DKC2 being the exception (though we don't really know its strength with it being SFF)
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Max Score: 122

Overall prediction percentage is pretty bad for a game that won both matches by over 70%. The top tiers do quite well with the top four tiers going perfect and the top seven staying over 90. This match has a pretty normal fade from there.

2 people fell off the Top 50. clayallen17 and crono1009 did not have Pokemon GSC winning the match.
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Why are so many people turning on G/S/C? :(
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All of the situations you just mentioned were where the second/third/whatever game in the series was much more hyped than the original. It wasn't that way with AC1. AC1 got most of the pre-release hype; AC2 was a somewhat more subdued release.

Remember that AC1 crushed DMC1 in its vote-in almost as badly as KOTOR did

AC was also pretty hated while AC2 was loved and the fact that AC2 is doing well should be proof that it is the stronger game.
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So does this mean AC2 > GoW2?

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HAHAHAHA, you're such a loser.

Hey, at least I didn't put in a shameless plug for The Blue Marble. :P

Why are so many people turning on G/S/C? :(

I love G/S/C to death, and I still think it'd topple any of the MGS titles. But it seems to me that it definitely has an uphill battle against the Zeldas, particularly MM. 67% on Chrono Cross is a bloody good performance.

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AC was also pretty hated while AC2 was loved
Already addressed.

and the fact that AC2 is doing well should be proof that it is the stronger game.
...So did AC1...?

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Melee is more liked than SSB64, Fallout 3 is more liked than Fallout, Street Fighter II is more liked than Street Fighter, Grand Theft Auto III is more liked than Grand Theft Auto

I can play the same game. People need to stop having this mental block that the original is the strongest and look at the bloody games in question.

There's a huge difference between games like AC, which got huge amounts of publicity and were considered mainstream before the original was even released, and games like Fallout and the original GTA, where you have like a dozen people playing it, and one installment comes along, making the entire franchise a household name.

God of War, Halo, Assassin's Creed... these are all huge action titles that were well known before they even came out, and whose sequels built upon a winning formula. Even Street Fighter 2 and SSBM are arguably "indirectly stronger" than their sequels, because they're the games that really put the franchise names on the map.

I'm not saying AC2 is weaker than AC1. I'm saying that as it stands, we still don't have enough evidence to prove one way or the other... but just because AC2 is the better game (yes, I agree that it's the better game) doesn't mean that it's the stronger of the two.
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Yeah most people agreed that CC would defeat MKWii which means GSC only has a 55% breathing room to win.
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...So did AC1...?

It did in a sense that the game isn't weak, but after MGS4 got 55% on Diablo II I would probably take Wind Waker without much thought.
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Then maybe the problem is with your thought process? WW was definitely the favorite after it killed GoW2, but it was never something that was to be taken 'without much thought'. Diablo II isn't exactly a weak game.

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Probably the same reason Bacon thought MM/WW was a lock for the Divisional finals creating the bracket: Pokemon underestimation.

Wow, I never even thought of this. You're right - given Bacon's sad obsession with SFF matches, he was probably trying to arrange that.

Good chance it will happen still, I'm giving GSC about a probability to beat MM somewhere between 55% and 60%.


KP
MGS4 might beat WW if this keeps up.

I agree that people are writing off MGS4's chances to get to the semis too early. It's competition is a bit unproven. Lots of haziness around MGS4/MM/WW/GSC still. I don't think MGS4 will make it to the semis, but wouldn't be surprised if it did. It's very alive still.

Nah. They're probably equal, with AC1 being indirectly stronger by a little bit.

Now this I disagree with. AC2>=AC1.

DMC3 is also more liked than DMC1. And Resident Evil 2 is more liked than RE1. And DKC2 is more liked than DKC. And GoW2 is more liked than GoW1. And...

You get the picture. We've seen it too many times.

Terrible logic.

Smash 64>Brawl and Melee? LoZ>Ocarina of Time? SMB1>all things Mario? Final Fantasy>FF7? SF1>SF2? Hmmm. I see a pattern here...

AC2 vs. AC1 should be way closer than those, and they're probably close to equal. But I really doubt AC1 is stronger.
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Melee defeated Diablo II by more than Wind Waker once you took that game out, in fact it was almost 55/45.
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Smash 64>Brawl and Melee? LoZ>Ocarina of Time? SMB1>all things Mario? Final Fantasy>FF7? SF1>SF2? Hmmm. I see a pattern here...

That you guys need to stop making terrible comparisons like this?

Seriously, there is a difference between what I mentioned and what you mentioned. Whenever there's a 'hyped first game that comes out, sequel that improves on the first one and is the fan favorite', the first game has proven to be stronger in most cases. None of those cases you mentioned come close to fitting that. Especially using NES games.

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Since when was Wind Waker the favorite against MGS4? I guess I haven't been paying close enough to the discussion recently. Now that I look at it, it looks like an even enough match to me. MGS4 still did get 47.5% on FFX last year, after all, and Diablo II was probably Last Place Factored in the round 3 match against Melee where it got doubled. The truth is probably somewhere between that and the 40% it got on Melee with Wind Waker present. So, MGS4 should be presently get something in the lows 40s on Melee (it fell since last year), which is where I'd put Wind Waker too.
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Smash 64>Brawl and Melee? LoZ>Ocarina of Time? SMB1>all things Mario? Final Fantasy>FF7? SF1>SF2? Hmmm. I see a pattern here...

Melee >=Brawl, OoT>TP, SMB3>Galaxy, FF7>FF10, SF2>SF4...

Seriously, if you're going to make arguments, they shouldn't be inherently fallacious. The fact that you have examples that disprove his theory doesn't answer the fact that there are many examples disproving yours.

In the end, the only way we'd really figure it out is a direct 1v1 match between the two games. I think it's also worth noting that we've already proven that Altair>Ezio.
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From: creativename | #016
Wow, I never even thought of this. You're right - given Bacon's sad obsession with SFF matches, he was probably trying to arrange that.

Good chance it will happen still, I'm giving GSC about a probability to beat MM somewhere between 55% and 60%.

Yeah, he said he purposefully made the bracket out so we can see same series games fight it out(Melee/Brawl, KH1/2, Halo 1/3, FFX/FF9, MGS2/3/4). He was thinking "oh hey, I'll just throw this Pokemon game in this bracket, Zelda should take it out on the way to the MM/WW div. finals"

Never realizing how strong that Pokemon game was. Wouldn't be surprised to see Bacon's bracket has it losing to MM.
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I never saw any AC1 commercials, so I'm anecdotal'ly disagreeing about AC1 having as big of a commercial presence as AC2 (or Brotherhood).
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AC2 does not lose a direct matchup against AC1. You can throw all stats out the window for that one.

I'm only concerned with indirect strength.

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From: HaRRicH | #023
I never saw any AC1 commercials, so I'm anecdotal'ly disagreeing about AC1 having as big of a commercial presence as AC2 (or Brotherhood).

This is funny, because I distinctly remember people commenting on how cool the AC1 commercial was because it used the House theme.

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From: Greyfeld | #021
I think it's also worth noting that we've already proven that Altair>Ezio.

And I have no idea why, since Ezio is 10x the character Altair was. Kinda like how AC2 is 10x the game AC1 was!
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From: KamikazePotato | #018
Whenever there's a 'hyped first game that comes out, sequel that improves on the first one and is the fan favorite', the first game has proven to be stronger in most cases.

Keep in mind I haven't played the AC series, BUT

From what I've seen, AC is a special case because the first was not that well received. God of War was instantly considered a GotY contender and one of the best games on its console. AC certainly was not. Devil May Cry was also very well received back in 2001. The hardcore fanbase may prefer 3, but I remember very well how hyped and liked this game was nine years ago (I bought it at launch). Heck, check out the GameRanking scores. The original DMC is the highest rated in the series.

I'd equate Assassin's Creed more to the Mass Effect series.

- New IP
- Hyped
- Gets launched
- Decidedly mixed response at launch
- Sequel comes along and is much better received

I'm not saying AC2 is absolutely stronger and in fact assume they'd be about equal, but if I had to give an edge, it would be to the sequel here.
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Seriously, if you're going to make arguments, they shouldn't be inherently fallacious. The fact that you have examples that disprove his theory doesn't answer the fact that there are many examples disproving yours.

Except none of those are the first games of a series.
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Whoa there. Mass Effect did not receive mixed reviews. It was almost universally praised.
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I don't think that's a good comparisan, because I remember ME2 being hyped up to ridiculous proportions, far moreso than ME1. Lengthy commercials everywhere.

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Missed the last match, but from what i can see G/S/C did around what was expected, doesn't really give us much more info to work with.

I would however like to go back to this gem of a post from the last topic, from Black Turtle:

I still haven't seen a shred of argument supporting G/S/C which doesn't point to an SFF riddled match that can't be trusted at all. MM got the higher seed, MM had better performances in both round 1 and 2, Zelda is higher on the Nintendo hierarchy, the night match favours Zelda more than it favours G/S/C. This seems like a no-brainer to me, and it's a damn shame that my bracket is fried (lol mass effect > ff12 round 3) or I'd be celebrating getting 50 points up on the Board cookie.

It has baffled me how much the board has been over rating G/S/C, with some people having the balls to take it all the way to the final.

What baffles me more is how certain people (namely Ulti and ExTha) can only reply with stupid responses such as "LOL" or "Zelda damage control!" whenever the Majora's Mask/Pokemon match is brought up, as if G/S/C has it in the bag and it's not worth discussing, and anyone who even considered Majora's Mask is an idiot. The match is going to be damn close, and I'm sorry guys, but you've failed badly in estimating G/S/C's potential strength. It is not a powerhouse by any means.

Majora's Mask has more than a decent shot, after all, it is a number 1 seed for a reason, so for the ones who are still delusional, can you please wake up and realize that Pokemon is not going to blow it out of the water.


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I don't think that's a good comparisan, because I remember ME2 being hyped up to ridiculous proportions, far moreso than ME1. Lengthy commercials everywhere.

Halo 3?

Hype doesn't mean everything, in the end it comes down to which game the fans like and it's AC2.

People do prefer GoW and DMC despite technically their sequels being better games, the same is not true for Assassin's Creed where fans prefer AC2.
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Yeah, he said he purposefully made the bracket out so we can see same series games fight it out(Melee/Brawl, KH1/2, Halo 1/3, FFX/FF9, MGS2/3/4). He was thinking "oh hey, I'll just throw this Pokemon game in this bracket, Zelda should take it out on the way to the MM/WW div. finals

I remember something about Bacon saying he didn't have SSBM v. SSBB in his bracket? Was he actually serious and did we figure out what he had beating one of them if so?

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So what you're saying is that ME1>ME2?

What are you even trying to prove? You arguments make no sense.

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Yeah, Mass Effect may have received a mixed response after the fact, but it received a lot of praise and high marks when it came out.

And yeah, there's little reason to believe that Assassin's Creed II is weaker than AC1. They may be close to equal, but there's no good argument for AC1 being the stronger game. Also definitely think WW > MGS4.

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From: charmander6000 | #005
o argued for the originals in 3/4 games DKC2 being the exception (though we don't really know its strength with it being SFF)

Hah this is true. DKC2 probably *is* stronger than DKC1. So that was very weird of him to say.

From: charmander6000 | #014
It did in a sense that the game isn't weak, but after MGS4 got 55% on Diablo II I would probably take Wind Waker without much thought.

That is a highly debatable match still.

From: KamikazePotato | #018
That you guys need to stop making terrible comparisons like this?

You're the one who started making poor comparisons.

People need to stop with this original>sequel nonsense. We can identify the situations where the original should be stronger pretty well. It has a lot to do with game reception, as yoblazer just went over. And AC1/AC2 does not fall under the category you're trying to shoehorn it into because the first was no classic. I never would've considered DMC3>DMC1, for instance.

From: Greyfeld | #021
The fact that you have examples that disprove his theory doesn't answer the fact that there are many examples disproving yours.

Hmm...methinks you need to learn2logic :) I was proving his "theory" blatantly false. I never said sequels are always stronger than originals! Seriously, what?

From: HaRRicH | #023
I never saw any AC1 commercials, so I'm anecdotal'ly disagreeing about AC1 having as big of a commercial presence as AC2 (or Brotherhood).

I saw far more hype for AC2. I've seen plenty of others say the same.
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I remember something about Bacon saying he didn't have SSBM v. SSBB in his bracket? Was he actually serious and did we figure out what he had beating one of them if so?

I doubt it, he must know that's the match that the board wants.
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What does it even matter, anyway. Zelda is far more disadvantaged in a night match against AC than Metal Gear is, Zelda can't potentially get some SFF action like MGS can, and Wind Waker still won't finish too far below MGS4 here. AND there might be two stronger Nintendo games in the same division. MGS4 is still ****ed, and unless MGS3 is decidedly stronger, the entire MGS series is ****ed. Not a single result in two rounds has looked good for that series.
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So what you're saying is that ME1>ME2?

What are you even trying to prove? You arguments make no sense.

I was disproving your hype = strength argument with Halo 3.
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Well, AC1 did receive a ton of hype, probably a bit more than AC2. There's a reason it sold 8 million copies as a brand new IP -- the hype surrounding it was almost deafening. AC2 had plenty of it, too, though. It certainly wasn't lost in the crowd or anything.

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For no particular reason, time to start up my "Mediocre original, totally awesome sequel" list:

-Mass Effect
-Uncharted
-Saints Row
-Street Fighter
-Sin and Punishment
-Assassin's Creed
-Star Fox
-Timesplitters
-Tony Hawk Pro Skater
-God of War
-Killzone
-Snowboard Kids
-Donkey Kong Country

Probably missing a s***load
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From: The Mana Sword | #029
Whoa there. Mass Effect did not receive mixed reviews. It was almost universally praised.

Yes saying "mixed reception" is going too far, ME1 was thought well of, probably better received than AC1. But ME2 was clearly a big step up in terms of word of mouth.

From: KamikazePotato | #030
I don't think that's a good comparisan, because I remember ME2 being hyped up to ridiculous proportions, far moreso than ME1. Lengthy commercials everywhere.

I think you're again trying to retroactively shoehorn your definition of "hype level" to match your theory. I saw lots of hype for both ME1 and ME2. ME1 was pretty hyped and garnered lots of media attention.
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For no particular reason, time to start up my "Mediocre original, totally awesome sequel" list:

Grand Theft Auto, Fallout, The Elder Scrolls...
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-Mass Effect
-Uncharted

Whoops.

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From: charmander6000 | #043
Grand Theft Auto, Fallout, The Elder Scrolls...

Right, although I was thinking more like a "Game X sucked, Game X 2 was awesome". Otherwise I would have thrown some RE4 up in this b****.

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I must ask KP have you played either AC game and been part of the community? Like others have said it seems that you're trying to use stats to fit your theory instead of using common sense.

Though common sense might be a strong word to use here...
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Add Sonic and Mega Man to that list.
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Hmm...methinks you need to learn2logic :) I was proving his "theory" blatantly false. I never said sequels are always stronger than originals! Seriously, what?

You can only prove a theory false if you use examples set under the same condition under the games in question. None of those games you mentioned were under the same circumstances, so you didn't really disprove anything, honestly. Keep in mind, I'm not saying that you're wrong, I'm just saying that your argument has more holes than a slice of swiss cheese.

Also, LOL @ somebody quoting Black Turtle.
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BlackMageJawa - "I'm on a Goomba."

Oh man, if WW beats MGS4 with more than 52.5%, I can start claiming WW > FFX and LTTP > FFX with 60%.
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Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest.

And apparently no one can agree on what was more hyped than something else.

From: charmander6000 | #046
I must ask KP have you played either AC game and been part of the community? Like others have said it seems that you're trying to use stats to fit your theory instead of using common sense.

Though common sense might be a strong word to use here...

I've played both games. AC1 blows. AC2 is awesome. Your arguments still don't make any sense.

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