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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/5/2010 3:23:01 PM | message detail

From: ZFS | #399
There are some crazy thoughts in here regarding the future of the game industry, chief among them "nothing will ever happen again to cause a 'wow' moment." We will absolutely see something that blows away what we have now within the next ten years.


We might get it in two years if games like Mass Effect 3 and HL2: Episode 3 live up to the hype. They'd still get vaporized by the popular 90s games for a looooong time to come.
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ZFS | Posted 12/5/2010 3:25:15 PM | message detail
Nostalgia is a powerful thing.

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creativename | Posted 12/5/2010 3:28:40 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #392
OoT does have hate, it's just that it has more fans.


Even if you're talking about sum of hate, the total sum of hate OoT gets is virtually non-existent compared to just about any well known game. It's is silly to try and claim OoT has any hate worth mentioning.
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creativename | Posted 12/5/2010 3:29:14 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #352
LttP HD is coming with Nintendo's next console.


Where are you getting this from? I googled and only found what seems to be fan made stuff.
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LOLContests | Posted 12/5/2010 3:29:51 PM | message detail
I know I might be a little late to this conversation, but what's so crazy about thinking LttP is #3 on this site? It's only competition is really Pokemon and the Smash Brothers games, which are partly linked through FFX, whose performances against OoT were less than impressive.
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X_Stats | Posted 12/5/2010 3:30:18 PM | message detail
OOT receives very very little hate, astoundingly little for a game as popular as it is. Most of its hate on this site is probably from FFVII fans upset their game lost.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/5/2010 3:30:34 PM | message detail
Gut feeling. Their next console will fo sho come with HD and a hard drive. Why not give their most popular SNES games the HD treatment? They'd sell millions.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/5/2010 3:33:01 PM | message detail
Even if you're talking about sum of hate, the total sum of hate OoT gets is virtually non-existent compared to just about any well known game. It's is silly to try and claim OoT has any hate worth mentioning.

I think you've been on this site for too long if you think OoT barely has any hate. It is easily more hated compare to very well known games, especially since it is considered to be the best game ever according to the average gamer.
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ZFS | Posted 12/5/2010 3:33:09 PM | message detail
That is a rather bizarre choice. Nintendo would probably get a kick out of being able to remake old games and make money, but I somehow don't think LttP is at the top of that list.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/5/2010 3:33:18 PM | message detail

From: LOLContests | #405
I know I might be a little late to this conversation, but what's so crazy about thinking LttP is #3 on this site? It's only competition is really Pokemon and the Smash Brothers games, which are partly linked through FFX, whose performances against OoT were less than impressive.


There's nothing crazy about it.

It's just not an unbeatable, overwhelming #3, if it is.

And I'd argue Mario 64 is competition to it, since it barely lost to it.

From: X_Stats | #406
OOT receives very very little hate, astoundingly little for a game as popular as it is. Most of its hate on this site is probably from FFVII fans upset their game lost.


OoT beat a lot of my favorite games last contest, and for this, I will never forgive it!
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/5/2010 3:35:02 PM | message detail
All this talk about LttP remake and not ONE OoT joke? B8, I am disappoint.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/5/2010 3:35:17 PM | message detail
The only people who hate OoT are the people that are backlashing it because it's too overrated or something.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/5/2010 3:35:44 PM | message detail

From: ZFS | #409
That is a rather bizarre choice. Nintendo would probably get a kick out of being able to remake old games and make money, but I somehow don't think LttP is at the top of that list.


Yeah, Mario would be, but LttP would be on the list for sure.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/5/2010 3:36:23 PM | message detail
Nintendo already made LTTP in 3-D. It's called Ocarina of Time. HEY-YO!

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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 12/5/2010 3:36:25 PM | message detail
It seems that people can't hate anything from Nintendo.I mean have you ever heard anyone hating Mario,Link,Samus,Smash games?Nope.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/5/2010 3:36:45 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #412
The only people who hate OoT are the people that are backlashing it because it's too overrated or something.


Wait, if there's not a legitimate reason for hating OoT, then is it really overrated?!
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/5/2010 3:37:03 PM | message detail
Yeah, I've never met a person who actually hated OOT because they didn't like the game. OOT, LTTP, and CT are probably the least hated out of all our strong games. Maybe SMW too.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/5/2010 3:38:29 PM | message detail
I hate it because it's popular.

Not really a legit reason.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/5/2010 3:39:28 PM | message detail
People do hate Smash, even Melee and 64, though it's a pretty small number of people who do that. I would think a lot of people hate Samus just because of how annoying she can be in Smash (never dying, lots of projectiles).
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/5/2010 3:39:36 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #414
Nintendo already made LTTP in 3-D. It's called Ocarina of Time. HEY-YO!


Thank you.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/5/2010 3:41:28 PM | message detail
Either way I don't see a problem calling TP's hate comparable to OoT.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/5/2010 3:43:21 PM | message detail
But...I don't really like OoT as a game!

what am I chopped liver
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LOLContests | Posted 12/5/2010 3:45:49 PM | message detail
OoT: 50
LttP: 37
TP: 35
LOZ: 34 (Although the two games below it probably beat it head to head)
WW: 33
MM: 31
LA: 29
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/5/2010 3:48:23 PM | message detail
Nintendo and Square-Enix present.....

The Legend of Zelda: Final Fantasy XV

In this game you play as Sephiroth as you travel through two worlds in parallel universes, assembling a team of supervillains to take down the great hero Link. The game combines Square's revolutionary ATB battle system with the freeflowing, detailed, worlds and dungeons of the Legend of Zelda series to create a stunning new experience.

Screenshots:

[Screenshot of Link summoning the Knights of the Round]

[Screenshot of Sephiroth and Cloud staring at each other intensely]

[Screenshot of Link with the whole Triforce]
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creativename | Posted 12/5/2010 3:49:30 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #408
I think you've been on this site for too long if you think OoT barely has any hate. It is easily more hated compare to very well known games, especially since it is considered to be the best game ever according to the average gamer.


Again, this is just completely silly. Trying to claim Oot of all games gets more hate than some random game, like God of War or Halo or Mario Kart Wii or Dragon Age or FF9 or whatever, is total nonsense. It's exactly as X_Stats said, most of the supposed "hate" is from people upset about it winning, not for the game itself (I was going to say the same thing in my other post but forgot).

Any so-called "hate" OoT gets is plain not worth talking about. It's probably among the least hated games out of all games on this site, not just in terms of hate rate, but also total hate.

From: charmander6000 | #421
Either way I don't see a problem calling TP's hate comparable to OoT.


What. That is ridiculous.
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LOLContests | Posted 12/5/2010 3:50:04 PM | message detail
I still haven't seen a shred of argument supporting G/S/C which doesn't point to an SFF riddled match that can't be trusted at all.

But the SFF seriously hurt G/S/C in that match. You can't just say "lol 4ways" if there's one entrant clearly being hurt by them.
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creativename | Posted 12/5/2010 3:50:58 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #425
Nintendo and Square-Enix present.....

The Legend of Zelda: Final Fantasy XV


What does Epona do.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/5/2010 3:51:39 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #424
Nintendo and Square-Enix present.....

The Legend of Zelda: Final Fantasy XV

In this game you play as Sephiroth as you travel through two worlds in parallel universes, assembling a team of supervillains to take down the great hero Link. The game combines Square's revolutionary ATB battle system with the freeflowing, detailed, worlds and dungeons of the Legend of Zelda series to create a stunning new experience.

Screenshots:

[Screenshot of Link summoning the Knights of the Round]

[Screenshot of Sephiroth and Cloud staring at each other intensely]

[Screenshot of Link with the whole Triforce]


And this game would still lose to OoT
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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 12/5/2010 3:53:13 PM | message detail
It would be way too awesome.Make it happen!
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Advokaiser | Posted 12/5/2010 3:53:30 PM | message detail
Wait, if there's not a legitimate reason for hating OoT, then is it really overrated?!

There's something called... opinions.

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red sox 777 | Posted 12/5/2010 3:54:29 PM | message detail
When riding Epona, Link is completely invulnerable to attacks, just as in OOT. To separate Link from his horse and make him vulnerable to attacks, our hero, er...villain must first defeat Link in a horse race. But in order to buy a horse fast enough to challenge Epona, our villain will have to engage in some disreputable acts such as those committed fairly early in FFVII by his clone.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/5/2010 3:54:32 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #425
Nintendo and Square-Enix present.....

The Legend of Zelda: Final Fantasy XV

In this game you play as Sephiroth as you travel through two worlds in parallel universes, assembling a team of supervillains to take down the great hero Link. The game combines Square's revolutionary ATB battle system with the freeflowing, detailed, worlds and dungeons of the Legend of Zelda series to create a stunning new experience.

Screenshots:

[Screenshot of Link summoning the Knights of the Round]

[Screenshot of Sephiroth and Cloud staring at each other intensely]

[Screenshot of Link with the whole Triforce]


This would be the most universally panned game of all-time. Square fans would hate it because Link's the hero. Nintendo fans would hate it because they're weirdos and talk about the purity of the character or something since Link would probably have voice acting.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/5/2010 3:58:58 PM | message detail
Oh, there will be no voice acting. Link's blasphemy laws will ensure nothing of the sort takes place.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/5/2010 4:01:43 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #432
Oh, there will be no voice acting. Link's blasphemy laws will ensure nothing of the sort takes place.


Then FF fans will hate it for going backwards and "the storytelling is held back by Nintendo's crappy developers/Zelda fanboys lolol"
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Advokaiser | Posted 12/5/2010 4:08:59 PM | message detail
GameFAQs (and a vast portion of the internet) claims that Ocarina of Time is a 11/10 game. That's just... wrong. I give it an 8.2/10.

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charmander6000 | Posted 12/5/2010 4:12:49 PM | message detail
Also acting like there is nothing wrong with OoT and it is impossible to not like it without a good reason just proves Vlado right.

Sadly.
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695924 | Posted 12/5/2010 4:14:23 PM | message detail
There really isn't anything wrong with OoT. It doesn't do anything wrong, yet it doesn't blow you away though. At least playing it now.
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gearofages | Posted 12/5/2010 5:03:39 PM | message detail
It looks like Mario Kart Wii is waking up a little.
TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/5/2010 5:07:46 PM | message detail
Or Europe hate for all things Pokemon is starting to kick in.
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melikepizza | Posted 12/5/2010 5:13:51 PM | message detail

From: TheKoolAidShoto | #440
Or Europe hate for all things Pokemon is starting to kick in.


its like 1.13 am here, europe is asleep.
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WhiteLens | Posted 12/5/2010 6:08:00 PM | message detail

From: TheKoolAidShoto | #440
Or Europe hate for all things Pokemon is starting to kick in.


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Big Bob | Posted 12/5/2010 7:04:28 PM | message detail
How long will it be until FFVII and OoT go the way of Chrono Trigger?
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/5/2010 7:14:16 PM | message detail
FFVII already has, pretty much, and OOT is going through it now or will start to do so soon. But how long until they are where CT is now in strength? Never. OOT and FFVII can fall a good amount and still be miles above the pack.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/5/2010 7:23:35 PM | message detail
The thing about the Nintendo games is that they keep getting rereleased. Virtual Console, compilations, outright remakes...Ocarina of Time will probably be a 3DS launch title. FF7 has, what? PSN?

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/5/2010 7:29:23 PM | message detail
Even if OoT starts to get weaker, which game will actually take advantage? No Nintendo game can overcome the SFF, everything around its age and older is likely experiencing even faster aging, and new games should count themselves lucky if they can avoid the tripling. An entrant will need some kind of external boost - whether it be a Valve/Blizzard rally or an L-Block internet frenzy - to beat Ocarina. I can't imagine any game on the horizon having the intrinsic strength to even come close. A beefed up Pokemon with awesome pictures and a pumped fanbase - one that was able to dispose of Melee with ease - barely avoided OoT's doubling. FFX, possibly the second strongest Square game we've got, managed 37% despite two other (insanely popular) Nintendo games in the poll. Ocarina is just freakish, and I really doubt anything will challenge it or FFVII as long as we're here.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/5/2010 7:39:52 PM | message detail
Match XCV: (3) The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker vs. (6) Assassin’s Creed II

Last Round

The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker – 63.95%
God of War II – 36.05%

Assassin’s Creed II – 61.89%
ICO – 38.11%

Analysis

It’s now Wind Waker’s turn to make its case to win the division. Last round the game got off to a crazy start before God of War II brought it back down to Earth during the night. Assassin’s Creed II on the other hand did not impress the board though that might be due to our underestimation of ICO.

I still believe that Assassin’s Creed II is the stronger game compare to its original. For one thing it was generally better liked. I know people like to say that the first game is stronger than the second game, but there are a lot of exceptions and this is one of it. If anything there is so many exceptions that I don’t think people should use it as a rule of thumb.

Looking at what Metal Gear Solid 4 did to the original I would expect Assassin’s Creed II to put up a better performance, but given that the Metal Gear Solid games have been performing terribly I can see Wind Waker pushing to roughly the same percent. Then again I would’ve taken Assassin’s Creed II over God of War II before the contest started, but its performance against ICO doesn’t inspire me that it has that kind of strength to easily win that match.

charmander6000’s Bracket: LoZ: Wind Waker > Assassin’s Creed II

charmander6000’s Prediction: LoZ: Wind Waker wins, 63.26% - 36.74%

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HaRRicH | Posted 12/5/2010 8:01:23 PM | message detail

From: creativename | #428
What does Epona do.


Chocobo-hunts.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/5/2010 9:00:15 PM | message detail
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker 100%

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Assassin's Creed II 0%

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TOTAL VOTES 9

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Master Moltar | Posted 12/5/2010 9:00:28 PM | message detail
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker 100%

13
Assassin's Creed II 0%

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TOTAL VOTES 13
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