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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 966
charmander6000 | Posted 12/5/2010 1:52:11 PM | message detail |
LoZ got 43% on SMB3 in 2004, and it has to be closer now, since it is clearly preferred to SMB3 among the younger generations. SMB? --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 104/120 Today's Matches: LoZMM & Pokemon GSC |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/5/2010 1:52:14 PM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | #346 LttP HD is coming with Nintendo's next console. Nintendo has been paying attention, and they're probably kicking themselves right now for not throwing a small hard drive and 1080p capability into the Wii. They'd be rolling in so much more dough. --- Yoblazer: http://i33.tinypic.com/ml36gl_th.gif Watch and you'll see... some day I'll be... part of your world! |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/5/2010 1:53:04 PM | message detail |
It's
silly to think that a large portion of the site will remain in 10 or
even 5 years and when they get replaced it'll be by younger people. It doesn't matter when the younger people won't be playing TP either. Each game only gets 1 generation to work its magic; TP will be aging at the same rate as LTTP. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/5/2010 1:54:10 PM | message detail |
LttP
HD is coming with Nintendo's next console. Nintendo has been paying
attention, and they're probably kicking themselves right now for not
throwing a small hard drive and 1080p capability into the Wii. They'd
be rolling in so much more dough. I don't think so, those things cost a lot back then I don't think Nintendo would have made the same profit even if the console sold more. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 104/120 Today's Matches: LoZMM & Pokemon GSC |
TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/5/2010 1:54:12 PM | message detail |
SMB3
HD Remix coming to a Wii 2 near you. Sell a billion copies while SMG3
sells 4 million. KoolAidShoto pouts, red sox celebrates Old Nintendo,
BT is still BT, etc. --- No, every man's goal in life is to spread his seed as many times as possible. - A statement Realo actually believes |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/5/2010 1:54:13 PM | message detail |
SMB? Yeah, that's why SMB beating LoZ surprised me so much, but the only explanation that makes sense to me is that creative is right about SMB being worth 46%+ on SMB3. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/5/2010 1:54:49 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #353 Possibly an accelerated rate. LttP will always have a bunch of old fogies drooling on the cartridge yelling "Now THIS... THIS WAS GAMING." Your weird uncle ain't gonna force you to play TP tbqh. --- Yoblazer: http://i33.tinypic.com/ml36gl_th.gif Watch and you'll see... some day I'll be... part of your world! |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/5/2010 1:55:30 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #353 But you're going to end up with a noticeably higher percentage of people who played TP and never touched LTTP. I mean, you know how this works. Some of these older games have definitely decreased in strength compared to newer games, and you know why that is. --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/5/2010 1:55:58 PM | message detail |
It
doesn't matter when the younger people won't be playing TP either. Each
game only gets 1 generation to work its magic; TP will be aging at the
same rate as LTTP. People are more likely to have played TP in the future and you know what the 7-8 year olds that have started with the Wii probably aren't on GameFAQs yet. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 104/120 Today's Matches: LoZMM & Pokemon GSC |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/5/2010 1:56:59 PM | message detail |
From: PartOfYourWorld | #357 Darn it, if I had siblings, I'd totally be the weird uncle who forces my nieces and nephews to play TP! --- http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2369/mythbattlers.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/Sensui22/1248835958206.png |
SabrielAbhorsen | Posted 12/5/2010 1:57:35 PM | message detail |
There are some very VERY short-sighted comments being made in this topic. "Game X will be more popular than game Y in 10 years time." "No generation will ever dethrone another the way N64/PS1 dethroned NES/SNES." "There are no more big innovations to be had in gaming." ...Come on now --- Inter-planetary-mega-stellar-hydro-static. There's no gravity between us. Our love is automatic. |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/5/2010 1:57:43 PM | message detail |
That's
not what I've noticed. What I've noticed is a steep falloff that
usually happens about 11-13 years after a game's release, which
coincides with the people who played it as young kids graduating from
high school. This is accompanied by a telltale collapse of the game's
ASV power. Or at least that's what appeared to happen with FFVII and
CT. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/5/2010 1:57:55 PM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #354 You might be right; I don't know anything about the costs circa 2006. I do know that, in time, Nintendo will give their entire SNES first-party library the HD treatment. LttP World World 2 Kart Metroid Million+ each. --- Yoblazer: http://8board.webs.com/ariel.jpg Watch and you'll see... some day I'll be... part of your world! |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/5/2010 1:58:51 PM | message detail |
I don't think the weird Uncle Syndrome would work. They'll be like whatever or this thing is junk and go and play Super Mario Universe 2. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 104/120 Today's Matches: LoZMM & Pokemon GSC |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/5/2010 1:59:35 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #362 How old was LTTP in 2004 again --- Support Squirtle (Pokemon R/B/Y) for Character Battle IX! http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/8463/banner2squirtle.jpg |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/5/2010 2:00:25 PM | message detail |
There are some very VERY short-sighted comments being made in this topic. "Game X will be more popular than game Y in 10 years time." "No generation will ever dethrone another the way N64/PS1 dethroned NES/SNES." "There are no more big innovations to be had in gaming." ...Come on now We can't predict the future, but we're discussing a hypothetical situation where the industry continues along its current trajectory. So if the Nintendo Entertainment System 6 is super awesome and revitalizes gaming, well, that's different. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/5/2010 2:01:50 PM | message detail |
And
how old was Mario 3 back in 2004? Like 15 years? And there was
definitely a noticeable drop for Mario 3 between 2004 and 2009. --- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/5/2010 2:03:06 PM | message detail |
LTTP
is weaker than it was in 2004, sure. That doesn't mean it'll fall below
TP in a few years, or ever. As for LTTP vs. FFX, I just have a hard
time seeing any Nintendo game do worse against any Square game now than
in 2004. Unless there's a really good game-specific reason for it,
anyway. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
SabrielAbhorsen | Posted 12/5/2010 2:04:42 PM | message detail |
We can't predict the future, but we're discussing a hypothetical situation where the industry continues along its current trajectory. So if the Nintendo Entertainment System 6 is super awesome and revitalizes gaming, well, that's different. Which is short-sighted because the only real constant in history is change. --- Inter-planetary-mega-stellar-hydro-static. There's no gravity between us. Our love is automatic. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/5/2010 2:05:04 PM | message detail |
LTTP would have probably beaten FFX worse than 55/45 in 2004. --- http://img.imgcake.com/leonpngpe.png http://img.imgcake.com/squalloweenpngem.png |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/5/2010 2:11:00 PM | message detail |
Which
is a big reason why I have a hard time seeing it much below 55%, if at
all, on it now. Same thing applies to Melee/FFX, really- the Square
game is going to turn around its 2004 loss? Seems unlikely, unless the
picture factor was really big and FFX should have won that match fairly
comfortably. I mean, I think LTTP had a fine 2009 contest. If it looked a tad weaker than 2004, fine. FFX was the game that ran up a few very embarassing matches- namely, only getting 37% on an OOT suffering Triple LFF, letting KH get too close to it, letting MGS4 put up 47.5% on it, and barely matching LTTP's percentage in the semifinals despite the huge advantage in the LFF situation it had over LTTP. And yes, I am also very critical of Melee's 2009 contest. It did not meet my pre-contest expectations, beginning with failing to SFF stop Wind Waker into the ground, followed by letting FFX and KH get too close to it for an LFF match, and ending with it getting annihilated by RBY. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/5/2010 2:13:33 PM | message detail |
The
problem with the 2009 contest is that there's way too much LFF/SFF to
say anything conclusive. Nearly every statement you've made involves
"SFF" or "LFF" in some way, and I don't like using those matches as
gauges for much of anything. And FFX already got closer than 55/45 on LTTP in the final! --- Support Squirtle (Pokemon R/B/Y) for Character Battle IX! http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/8463/banner2squirtle.jpg |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/5/2010 2:13:58 PM | message detail |
(Yes, I realize the irony of that last sentence in the context of my post) --- Support Seifer Almasy (Final Fantasy VIII) for Character Battle IX! http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9342/banner3seifer.jpg |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/5/2010 2:23:32 PM | message detail |
Most
of the time, I took the LFF/SFF and took the assumption that was least
helpful to LTTP. 70% on YI and 72% on SOTN is pretty legit, and LTTP is
stronger than those CT and SM64 (well, even with SM64). But if you're saying the 2009 contest was too flawed due to the format to say anything, why ask LTTP to prove itself against FFX? Shouldn't it be the other way around, since as you say, LTTP was worth more than 55% on FFX in 2004 and Nintendo is undeniably in a stronger position relative to Square now than then? --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/5/2010 2:27:24 PM | message detail |
Nah,
LTTP doesn't have anything to prove. It'd be the favorite against FFX,
but whatever impressions we got from the last Games Contest are going
to be skewed by one thing or another. Regardless, the one LTTP match
that really seemed to mean anything (nearly losing to Mario 64) doesn't
give me the "Oh man, this game would rock FFX!" vibe because regardless
of what kinds of performances these games put up, they're all going to
be relatively close to each other. Same thing in this contest. It
doesn't really matter how much more "impressive" Melee/Brawl is
compared to FFX. The odds that it wins with more than 52-53% are low,
in my opinion. And Nintendo being in a stronger position now doesn't mean LTTP is. --- Support Seifer Almasy (Final Fantasy VIII) for Character Battle IX! http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9342/banner3seifer.jpg |
creativename | Posted 12/5/2010 2:31:45 PM | message detail |
I'm not reading much from this match here. GSC has a good percentage, but the only read we have on this match is FF9 tripling PW3. Which if you set PW1=PW3, makes GSC look like ****, especially if there's any SFF here. But PW1 should obviously be stronger than PW3, we just have no clue by how much. Prior to the match I didn't think we'd learn much here even if GSC had done a few points higher or lower than this, and I still don't think we learned much. I wouldn't have criticized GSC if it got 67% or praised it too much if it got 73%. GSC vs. MM is very hazy still. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Assassin_Thane | Posted 12/5/2010 2:40:14 PM | message detail |
do
you think mario 64 ds had a say in mario 64 overperforming? if so what
will oot 3ds do to oot? i cannot see oot being any more stronger. --- http://i52.tinypic.com/2dgnzhz.png |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/5/2010 2:43:00 PM | message detail |
From: Assassin_Thane | #377 I can imagine red sox would be in this camp! --- http://i.imgur.com/CbfFb.jpg |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/5/2010 2:43:19 PM | message detail |
That's
a good point; I'd forgotten about that. Mario 64 DS probably did play a
big role in Mario 64's ascendancy over 3 and World. As for OOT, games
can always get stronger, but the stronger you are at the start the
harder it is, and OOT and FFVII have already been dropping for a
while.....they can't sustain their old playership rates as they age. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
Kotetsu534 | Posted 12/5/2010 2:44:22 PM | message detail |
I
think I'll use the results of WW/ACII, TP/SMG and Brawl/DPP to gauge my
oracle for MM/GSC. Their matches have been impressively inconclusive. --- I predict and analyse the Game of the Decade contest here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/56817040 |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/5/2010 2:47:09 PM | message detail |
TP/SMG
probably isn't going to give you much in the way of conclusive data,
and neither will Brawl vs. D/P/P. WW/AC2 is basically WW/GoW2 all over
again. --- Support Barret Wallace (Final Fantasy VII) for Character Battle IX! http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3834/banner1barret.jpg |
Kotetsu534 | Posted 12/5/2010 2:50:18 PM | message detail |
I
realise that, but still: if Brawl beasts the hell out of DPP it doesn't
reflect well on GSC. Neither does TP struggling to SFF Galaxy into the
ground make things look better for MM. Most likely things will go as
expected and I'll back GSC. --- I predict and analyse the Game of the Decade contest here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/56817040 |
Assassin_Thane | Posted 12/5/2010 2:51:08 PM | message detail |
ff7 has already dropped there is evidence of that. oot looked stronger in 2009 than 2004. --- http://i52.tinypic.com/2dgnzhz.png |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/5/2010 2:54:09 PM | message detail |
A
lot as changed from 2004 to 2009 without looking at games becoming
older from the rise of Nintendo to the hate of the Wii. For all we know
OoT would have won by more against FFVII in 2006. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 104/120 Today's Matches: LoZMM & Pokemon GSC |
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/5/2010 2:55:01 PM | message detail |
From: The Mana Sword | #256 And Pokemon is such a night-centric game? The G/S/C argument kind of had a leg to stand on pre-contest, using last year's weird match as a basis, but I think that argument has been blown to pieces in a classic lol board 8 got burned overestimation --- http://i49.tinypic.com/2ry672r.jpg |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/5/2010 2:55:02 PM | message detail |
OOT's
playership rate actually dropped more between 2005 and 2009 than
FFVII's did. 2005 was the year of the Nintendo Boost; it's quite
possible that OOT would have already beaten FFVII that year. As for
strength, it's hard to compare OOT's 2004 and 2009 runs. In 2004 it
blew out a fodder game and then absolutely wrecked 2 fellow N64 games
with the SFF hammer below losing to FFVII. So it really depends on how
much you think FFVII fell. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/5/2010 2:57:21 PM | message detail |
And Pokemon is such a night-centric game? Compare to Zelda it is, though if Pokemon gets the board vote by enough it may negate that and make Zelda look like it's gaining. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 104/120 Today's Matches: LoZMM & Pokemon GSC |
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/5/2010 3:01:49 PM | message detail |
I
still haven't seen a shred of argument supporting G/S/C which doesn't
point to an SFF riddled match that can't be trusted at all. MM got the
higher seed, MM had better performances in both round 1 and 2, Zelda is
higher on the Nintendo hierarchy, the night match favours Zelda more
than it favours G/S/C. This seems like a no-brainer to me, and it's a
damn shame that my bracket is fried (lol mass effect > ff12 round 3)
or I'd be celebrating getting 50 points up on the Board cookie. --- http://i49.tinypic.com/2ry672r.jpg |
creativename | Posted 12/5/2010 3:02:38 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #261 Nice analysis, I agree. From: LeonhartFour | #269 Hahah, too funny :) Oh Europe. From: charmander6000 | #295 Let's not get carried away! Pretty much any decently known game is more hated than OoT. The sum of "hate" OoT gets is absolutely miniscule. From: LeonhartFour | #299 I think it depends on your definition of "loved". A game like Phoenix Wright, or Bioshock, or even Monkey Island is probably more "loved" by the people who played it than TP is. "loved rate", if you would, as opposed to "loved sum" - the loved sum might be higher just because the playrate is way higher. TP isn't what you'd really define as "loved", it was just a very successful Zelda game and the first Zelda of its generation, and that's a big deal and enough to be very powerful at ZeldaFAQs. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Advokaiser | Posted 12/5/2010 3:04:00 PM | message detail |
A little off-topic, but I need thoughts on this: Chrono Cross =/= God of War II =/= Assassin's Creed II =/= Uncharted 2 =/= Batman: Arkham Asylum =/= Dragon Age: Origins =/= Grand Theft Auto IV =/= Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 --- "I remember a time when someone called World of Warcraft 'World of WoW'" |
gearofages | Posted 12/5/2010 3:04:11 PM | message detail |
From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #388 I am glad that someone is finally making sense of this. |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/5/2010 3:04:14 PM | message detail |
OoT does have hate, it's just that it has more fans. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 104/120 Today's Matches: LoZMM & Pokemon GSC |
Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 12/5/2010 3:04:35 PM | message detail |
Oh yeah Pokemon is doing good!Go Pikachu! --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/5/2010 3:05:22 PM | message detail |
A little off-topic, but I need thoughts on this: Chrono Cross =/= God of War II =/= Assassin's Creed II =/= Uncharted 2 =/= Batman: Arkham Asylum =/= Dragon Age: Origins =/= Grand Theft Auto IV =/= Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 I agree? You got to be more specific. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 104/120 Today's Matches: LoZMM & Pokemon GSC |
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/5/2010 3:05:46 PM | message detail |
From: Safer Sephiroth 777 | #393 Failing to triple a weak game in an SFF situation is good? --- http://i49.tinypic.com/2ry672r.jpg |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/5/2010 3:06:57 PM | message detail |
From: gearofa ges | #391 *cocks head sideways* Also, thanks for having a user name that contains a censor bypass. From: Advokaiser | #390 Uhh...What kind of thoughts are you wanting exactly? --- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/5/2010 3:07:24 PM | message detail |
Failing to triple a weak game in an SFF situation is good? Pokemon can SFF now? The game is doing fine unless you thought GSC was going to defeat SSBB/SSBM/FFX. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 104/120 Today's Matches: LoZMM & Pokemon GSC |
Advokaiser | Posted 12/5/2010 3:10:27 PM | message detail |
I agree? You got to be more specific. All of them would finish with 51-49 or something like that if you put all of them in 1v1 matches. I forgot another game: Pokemon RSE. --- "I remember a time when someone called World of Warcraft 'World of WoW'" |
ZFS | Posted 12/5/2010 3:12:00 PM | message detail |
There
are some crazy thoughts in here regarding the future of the game
industry, chief among them "nothing will ever happen again to cause a
'wow' moment." We will absolutely see something that blows away what we
have now within the next ten years. --- The whole object of travel is not to set foot on foreign land; it is at last to set foot on one's own country as a foreign land. |
TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 12/5/2010 3:19:34 PM | message detail |
Legend of Final Fantasy: 4D Edition --- I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. |
