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charmander6000 | Posted 11/29/2010 3:38:40 PM | message detail
Nothing I said was wrong unless you want to argue that Golden Sun is a 4th tier Nintendo series.
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IkaMusume | Posted 11/29/2010 3:41:07 PM | message detail
I don't see how anyone who understands the state of gaming CAN'T complain about this. I'm just glad that Half Life 2 didn't face Golden Sun on Dark Dawn release date. That would be the ultimate embarrassment in contest history.
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vcharon | Posted 11/29/2010 3:43:11 PM | message detail
"The state of gaming"? I'm not seeing the correlation between that and being upset about this.
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transients | Posted 11/29/2010 3:43:48 PM | message detail
Albion doesn't count. don't group him in with this.
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VaultBoyAlbion | Posted 11/29/2010 3:44:29 PM | message detail

From: vcharon | #303
"The state of gaming"? I'm not seeing the correlation between that and being upset about this.


The fact that an old RPG that was average at best that only has popularity cuz of being the only playable JRPG on GBA beating one of the games that define this generation, and the best selling PS2 game overall.
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swordz9 | Posted 11/29/2010 3:45:32 PM | message detail
I'm going to go ahead and make some probably crazy predictions. Persona 3 getting 35-40% on Final Fantasy IX and Persona 4 60-40'ing Dead Rising. If only I had match pics to look at to see if either Persona game might possibly get a boost.
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vcharon | Posted 11/29/2010 3:45:34 PM | message detail
Still, "the state of gaming"? The hell does that even mean?
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 11/29/2010 3:45:52 PM | message detail

From: VaultBoyAlbion | #305
The fact that an old RPG that was average at best that only has popularity cuz of being the only playable JRPG on GBA beating one of the games that define this generation, and the best selling PS2 game overall.


Boy, I can't WAIT to see your reaction when PM mops the floor with WoW!
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VaultBoyAlbion | Posted 11/29/2010 3:47:28 PM | message detail

From: vcharon | #307
Still, "the state of gaming"? The hell does that even mean?


Maybe I used the wrong term, but what I mean is looking over the entire industry and the importance, qualtiy, etc of games. Golden Sun is NO WHERE near San Andreas in terms of quality, importance, and everything else that comes to gauging a game. No other site would ever have a result like this, and it just reflects really badly on this site for something like this to happen.
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VaultBoyAlbion | Posted 11/29/2010 3:48:24 PM | message detail

From: TheKoolAidShoto | #308
Boy, I can't WAIT to see your reaction when PM mops the floor with WoW!


I'm pretty much expecting it will at this point. Never bet against nintendo or jrpgs on this site, no matter if they're actually good or not.
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/29/2010 3:48:54 PM | message detail
You guys know that Pokemon were on handhelds right? Heck Pokemon Crystal came out on the same year.

Golden Sun wasn't that bad either.
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vcharon | Posted 11/29/2010 3:50:10 PM | message detail
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 11/29/2010 3:50:34 PM | message detail
Forgot to mention that this at least makes all the GBA games in the contest look better. This in the process makes Prime look even better against HL2.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/29/2010 3:50:56 PM | message detail
I wouldn't mind your ranting if you had picked a better game, but SA really isn't that great.

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VaultBoyAlbion | Posted 11/29/2010 3:51:18 PM | message detail
prime is nintendo. no way its not getting to the final four
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vcharon | Posted 11/29/2010 3:52:44 PM | message detail
It's only there because of bracket placement and the fact it really has nothing challenging to go through. Metroid is weaker than Samus.
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/29/2010 3:52:47 PM | message detail
I wouldn't mind your ranting if you had picked a better game, but SA really isn't that great.

Sure it is, the freedom to do anything you like? I thought that's the style of game you'd like.
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695924 | Posted 11/29/2010 3:53:25 PM | message detail
Prime isn't getting past Fallout 3 >_>
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vcharon | Posted 11/29/2010 3:54:36 PM | message detail
I'll trust Fallout 3 more once I see what it can do against Batman. Taking on two fodder games isn't doing anything for me.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/29/2010 3:54:44 PM | message detail
I thought San Andreas was really boring but I still have the sense to realize how silly this result is.

I also realize how silly it is to care
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VaultBoyAlbion | Posted 11/29/2010 3:54:55 PM | message detail

From: 695924 | #318
Prime isn't getting past Fallout 3 >_>


is fallout 3 nintendo or square? its not, so it loses
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creativename | Posted 11/29/2010 3:55:19 PM | message detail

From: HaRRicH | #1406
I still don't think Animal Crossing would be 60-40'd by PM, so I don't see why WoW's being considered so out of it in this.


I think Animal Crossing is total fodder. IMO failing to 60/40 Animal Crossing is a sad performance.

I'd be quite surprised if WoW beat Paper Mario. I have WoW in my bracket, but after lockdown, that was one of the first "wait, why did I have this result again?" things I noticed, because I had a hard time seeing WoW beat a Mario game at this site. I regretted that choice pretty quickly.

From: Team Rocket Elite | #1408
Doubtful. Almost all of the brackets around him will get the match wrong as well. Luster should still control a sizable chunk of the leaderboard.


Curse you Lusterboard. Foiled again.

From: IkaMusume | #1502
I don't see how anyone who understands the state of gaming CAN'T complain about this. I'm just glad that Half Life 2 didn't face Golden Sun on Dark Dawn release date. That would be the ultimate embarrassment in contest history.


HL2 wouldn't get threatened by Golden Sun, release date or no.

I highly doubt the release date thing is making that big an impact anyway. GS would almost certainly beat GTA on any day. This is GameFAQs, and GS is pretty big here while GTA is known for choking. It's not as if people didn't see this coming.
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 11/29/2010 3:55:32 PM | message detail

From: Team Rocket Elite | #288
DPP didn't so look great in Round 1 against Metroid Fusion but performed well against FE:PoR in Round 2. Once again pointing to Metroid Fusion's vote-in performance and how handheld games have shown that they aren't as weak as we though they would be, it mya have been more Metroid Fusion having strength than DPP looking bad.

RSE fell a bit short of what DPP did on SMG. It was a night match and RSE is supposed to be weaker than DPP. Nothing wrong there.

GSC fell short of expectations against Advance Wars. Once again that can potentially be due to underestimating of non-Pokemon handheld games. It was still a blowout and something more reliable should be used.


DPP did not really impress against Fire Emblem. Frankly the game is an unknown one on one and has looked pretty bad in every other multi-option poll it's been in. It destroyed No Mercy but that's No Mercy. I can't see PoR being especially strong, especially against a higher tier Nintendo game.

RSE did okay, but did about 6% worse than DPP on SMG. That's more than a bit and pretty significant. SMG's pretty strong so I guess of the three RSE was the least disappointing, but merely "okay" is not enough for Pokemon to be the monster people think it'll be. And hell, a SFF'd DPP looked equal to GTAIV last year. Yet now RSE can only barely beat it 1 on 1 despite being logically weaker than DPP!

The real kicker though is GSC's terrible performance in round 1. Advance Wars has looked bad in every poll it's been in, and was the dreaded 13 seed to boot(14-16 are strengthened by vote-in polls, so 13 is the new 16). It only managed 72% despite being one of the best games to SFF it. Now for GSC to beat FFX, Advance Wars would have to be stronger than Borderlands. It's not happening.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/29/2010 3:56:40 PM | message detail
Albion's proven several times over he doesn't actually understand the state of gaming, so who cares about the whining? Golden Sun winning is awesome enough as-is, but the massive amounts of whining today increased how good this match already was tenfold.
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vcharon | Posted 11/29/2010 3:59:13 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #324
Albion's proven several times over he doesn't actually understand the state of gaming, so who cares about the whining? Golden Sun winning is awesome enough as-is, but the massive amounts of whining today increased how good this match already was tenfold.


Yeah, pretty much this. I just assumed it was expected honestly with how good GS looked in the first round and how poor GTA always looks in general. I expected it to get anti-voted and lose, and that's what happened. Obviously GS has some strength of its own, but GTA is like Halo here; it draws votes in the other direction.

It's like me with FFX. I expect it to lose because of well known trends on this website. There's no point to piss and moan all day about something I already know.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/29/2010 3:59:25 PM | message detail

From: Lightning Strikes | #323
13 seed to boot(14-16 are strengthened by vote-in polls, so 13 is the new 16)


You make a good point here, though I don't totally agree with it. Not for this contest, anyway. Those vote-in poll games were mostly weak as hell, so having them be 15-16 seeds fits. It's not like Advance Wars would lose to Wii Sports or Timesplitters or The Sims.
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transients | Posted 11/29/2010 4:00:08 PM | message detail
somebody should screenshot the Lusterboard and make a wiki entry. I'd do it but I won't be at home before midnight.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/29/2010 4:00:42 PM | message detail

From: vcharon | #325
Yeah, pretty much this. I just assumed it was expected honestly with how good GS looked in the first round and how poor GTA always looks in general. I expected it to get anti-voted and lose, and that's what happened. Obviously GS has some strength of its own, but GTA is like Halo here; it draws votes in the other direction.

It's like me with FFX. I expect it to lose because of well known trends on this website. There's no point to piss and moan all day about something I already know.


Yeah, people like to think of things in their own narrow scope so they just assume everyone else feels the same way. So all the anti-JRPG crybabies are having a fit today because SAN ANDREAS IS MORE IMPORTANT TO THE INDUSTRY and etc etc.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/29/2010 4:01:20 PM | message detail

From: transients | #327
somebody should screenshot the Lusterboard and make a wiki entry. I'd do it but I won't be at home before midnight.


I refuse to glorify that crap on the wiki.
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/29/2010 4:01:28 PM | message detail
We expected GSC to get 75% and it got 73%, technically it underperformed, but at the same time we have no idea how strong Advance Wars is besides it being weak.
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transients | Posted 11/29/2010 4:01:55 PM | message detail
psh. one day we'll look back at it in awe.

I'd have archived fedor if I had thought of it at the time, too.
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/29/2010 4:02:50 PM | message detail
I refuse to glorify that crap on the wiki.

Whether you like it or not it is a part of our history and it should be included on the wiki.
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IngmarBirdman | Posted 11/29/2010 4:09:15 PM | message detail
I guess the site's position is that alts only matter when awarding prizes, i.e. "one prize per household" as per the rules? Still a shame that the leaderboard doesn't actually show the 50 best entries from different people.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/29/2010 4:11:06 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #332
I refuse to glorify that crap on the wiki.

Whether you like it or not it is a part of our history and it should be included on the wiki.


On his userpage sure, but it doesn't need a whole page to itself.
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Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 11/29/2010 4:11:56 PM | message detail
DPP did not really impress against Fire Emblem. Frankly the game is an unknown one on one and has looked pretty bad in every other multi-option poll it's been in. It destroyed No Mercy but that's No Mercy. I can't see PoR being especially strong, especially against a higher tier Nintendo game.

DPP nearly doubled FE:PoR. As long as FE:PoR isn't bad fodder, that would put DPP pretty close to where it's match with SMG suggested. Fire Emblem looks bad in polls because it keeps getting stuck with Nintendo games that SFF it. I don't think it's very strong but I think it's better than horrible fodder.

RSE did okay, but did about 6% worse than DPP on SMG. That's more than a bit and pretty significant. SMG's pretty strong so I guess of the three RSE was the least disappointing, but merely "okay" is not enough for Pokemon to be the monster people think it'll be. And hell, a SFF'd DPP looked equal to GTAIV last year. Yet now RSE can only barely beat it 1 on 1 despite being logically weaker than DPP!

Once again, it was a night match. RBY looked just fine last time despite DPP not looking to great against SMG. DPP and RSE are NOT expected to be monsters. That applies to GSC and RBY. Just looking okay is just fine for RSE and DPP. I'm not really sure where you are gettig SFF'd DPP is equal to GTA4. It's not even clear if DPP was SFF'd last time. Pokemon games tend not to get SFF'd after all.

The real kicker though is GSC's terrible performance in round 1. Advance Wars has looked bad in every poll it's been in, and was the dreaded 13 seed to boot(14-16 are strengthened by vote-in polls, so 13 is the new 16). It only managed 72% despite being one of the best games to SFF it. Now for GSC to beat FFX, Advance Wars would have to be stronger than Borderlands. It's not happening.

Seeding has nothing to do with strength. Pokemon has a history of not being involved with SFF so I don't see how it can be considered the best game to SFF Advance Wars. It was a bad match but I think it's worth seeing another match from GSC. Like other handheld games, Advance Wars may turn out to have been surprisingly strong. Borderlands isn't that far ahead of ToV. I wouldn't count on AW being stronger, but it wouldn't surprise me either. Borderlands is a fairly weak game.
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transients | Posted 11/29/2010 4:14:27 PM | message detail
Pokemon is doing fine. there's only one heavyweight Pokemon game in this contest anyway and it did respectably against a decent opponent. my only concern is that Advance Wars is like a mini-Fire Emblem and GSC didn't do much better on AW than DPP did on Fire Emblem 9. then again, FE9 is weaker than FE7 and could be Advance Wars tier.
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/29/2010 4:15:07 PM | message detail
On his userpage sure, but it doesn't need a whole page to itself.

I think all the whinning it brought disagrees.

So LS which brackets belong to you, just the top 18 and Melee clump?
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Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 11/29/2010 4:15:16 PM | message detail
Also, GSC beating FFX would be considered a big upset. Even if it doesn't pull it off, it doesn't necessarily mean it's a disappointment. It just didn't exceed expectations by enough.
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Haste_2 | Posted 11/29/2010 4:25:48 PM | message detail
I -still- don't know why I picked GSC over FFX. Probably because I wanted some sort of upset pick near the end... I'm just glad FFX has been disappointing so far. I hope this continues.... =P

So, does today's match give TWEWY more credit....? Well, it's still hard to say. I'm still hopin' Dead Rising pulls through. I have a hard time seeing DR beating Persona 4 based on Persona 4 equalling SFIV; however, SFIV likely WAS underrated in that poll and would beat Persona 4 easily in a 1-on-1 setting. I could also see TWEWY being stronger than Persona 4, too. Then, DR also has a day advantage.

But, Persona 4 is more tested, and Persona 3 had a decent victory. And, Street Fighter IV beats Dead Rising pretty easily, I think.

I'm still far more worried about FFXII/Portal because the winner of that probably wins the next round, too....

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/29/2010 4:26:50 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #337
On his userpage sure, but it doesn't need a whole page to itself.

I think all the whinning it brought disagrees.

So LS which brackets belong to you, just the top 18 and Melee clump?


Think so. He's got 35 brackets up there.
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transients | Posted 11/29/2010 4:27:57 PM | message detail
I'm much more worried about P4 winning than DR after this result. popular casual game vs. niche RPG? yeah.

TWEWY is too new to get that kind of mass handheld love. all the games that are shining are old.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/29/2010 4:28:25 PM | message detail
In fact, a solid 40/50 brackets might belong to Board 8. I don't think we've ever dominated so hard.

We owe you one, Luster!
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 11/29/2010 4:30:52 PM | message detail
P4 and TWEWY were released in the same year, no?

Looks like GTAIII is the strongest GTA now. Oh, the irony.
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transients | Posted 11/29/2010 4:31:29 PM | message detail
for all the talk of 'this contest' and etc, this is a very predictable bracket. the Cookie is at.. 89 points right now. that's pretty good.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/29/2010 4:35:02 PM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | #343
Looks like GTAIII is the strongest GTA now. Oh, the irony.


C-c-c-called it! We'll see where things end up, but there's a good chance III finishes highest on the stats.

And despite this result, I'm still favoring Dead Rising with a solid 52% win. It beat TWEWY so badly in the States (while getting crushed in Asia/SA/Oceania and losing in Europe), and I imagine that P4 will be even worse in the US. The time frame is huge here.
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transients | Posted 11/29/2010 4:35:37 PM | message detail
on top of that, every debatable match has been close and every upset even closer. the only one we got really screwed on was FE/No Mercy and that was more a fanboy pick than anything based in reality.
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/29/2010 4:38:13 PM | message detail
Yeah despite getting 9 matches wrong so far this one is the biggest beatdown I've suffered.
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/29/2010 4:43:47 PM | message detail
Excellent show from Golden Sun. That game and its characters have been underrated for a long time, like 7 years.
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transients | Posted 11/29/2010 4:45:20 PM | message detail
my worst miss so far is 47%.

argh why did I not bother to change my bracket to Mega Man 9, I'd probably be first on the leaderboard after today
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TheCodeisBosco | Posted 11/29/2010 4:49:11 PM | message detail
Man, I'm starting to wonder if KotOR/FE will even have a match picture at this rate... >_>

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