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From: NoDicePwn | #148
FO3 is more of a shooter than an RPG though.

Huh? Its one of the deepest and most indepth rpgs out there. How could you say that the shooter mechanics (which are pretty barebones to be honest, its not where the development time was spent on) are the main part of the game?

Barebones? you shoot things with a lot of machinary weapons. that's the primary combat of the game. The fact that it has so much RPG elements means it's not an outright FPS. Same with Metroid Prime not being an an outright FPS.
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I played it more like a shooter, open world style. Which probably explained why i found it quite boring most of the time.
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As I said earlier, a good amount of the weapons aren't even guns. Melee weapons, fist weapons, etc. And you obviously haven't played the game, or you'd know its mainly played using vats (a turn based type system where you use action points to pick the body areas you want to shoot/attack, and you want it happen in cinematic view), and the real time gunplay/fighting is only done at last resort due to the shoddy controls. Nobody plays Fallout 3 in only shooter controls unless they're purposely trying to handicap themselves for a challenge.
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It is different from an FPS in that what level you are, what level your enemy is, what weapon you have, and what condition the weapon is in is far more crucial to your success than your accuracy or reactions on the trigger. If you are deficient on all of those things, you will have a very hard time in the game. The RPG part comes first, the FPS part comes last.

I really like Fallout 3 but I hate FPS with a passion.Fallout 3 isn't a FPS.Now Metroid will beat Half Life eh?Man there goes my upset pick...
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He's right. Fallout 3 is a RPG first, FPS second.
I still found it boring anyway but it's more of a mix of me loathing FPS and the lifeless post-apocalyptic world that bored me to death. I love flashy worlds with colors. When I see brown grey, brown and more grey, it simply rubs me the wrong way.
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Oh yeah. And also the fact something called "condition of a weapon" exists. There's such a thing as too much realism for me. Not fun.
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From: Lord_Yggdrassil | #152
I played it more like a shooter, open world style. Which probably explained why i found it quite boring most of the time.

You're doing it wrong. Or maybe you didn't even play it because you have absolute no idea what you are talking about.
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Dunno what to say about today. I agree that God of War and Okami have lost all their upset chances, but man...all the same I can't stomach RE5 being equal to GTAIII (makes zero sense, especially given the SmartVoterFactor). So we'll assume that HL2 gets 60% on RE5, which basically pegs it to 55-45 God of War. Afterwards though you'd need DMC3 to be not much weaker than RE5 for HL2 to upset Prime.

And Ulti, I dunno man. Prime is the only game from this contest that I played to completion since July, and while I liked it a lot it's nothing that I mind being a low midcarder. It seriously felt rough around the edges.

Current opinion on Nintendo games from last decade: Galaxy >= Majora's Mask > Prime > Wind Waker >= Brawl >= Twilight Princess >= Melee
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From: EvilNcr | #127
And if I want to mean... I could use that to prove my point :

http://oraclechallenge.com/archives.php?contest=SpC2k9&type=match&match=47
http://oraclechallenge.com/archives.php?contest=SC2k10&type=match&match=20

You seriously believe CoD4 is above Pokemon? Or GTA? Or Mario Galaxy?

There's stats... and there's stats.

You seriously believe it isn't?
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From: EvilNcr | #157
Oh yeah. And also the fact something called "condition of a weapon" exists. There's such a thing as too much realism for me. Not fun.

Yet when I voice similar complaints about MGS3 people jump down my throat.
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So guys, I'm trying to make sense out of this. HL2 is obviously disappointing here. Problem is, as I said, this still proves that HL2 is a notch above Diablo II, and as I've said Prime is on StarCraft's level, which would equal Diablo II's level (or possibly a little lower). So HL2 is still safe to take the division, if you assume that GTAIII was not casual SFFd by Halo last year (and GoW/ToS basically going the same way it did last year is a stick against casual fanbase splitting). So I still think HL2 will take the division, but this basically ends any shot it had at Fallout 3. It also likely means that HL2 would likely lose to the following games whilst breaking 45% at least:

Wind Waker
Majora's Mask
Sons of Liberty
Final Fantasy Tactics
Link's Awakening

How do you think Shadow of the Colossus would be doing in GTAIII's place?

And I have to agree with Ulti on the GTA excuses. They all ultimately did fine for themselves.
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Grand Theft Auto 3 (2009g) has a strength of 24.21 against Base Link.
Metroid Prime (2009g) has a strength of 25.59 against Base Link.


Grand Theft Auto 3 47.30% 57,879
Metroid Prime 52.70% 64,477
TOTAL VOTES 122,356

Metroid Prime wins with 52.70% of the vote!
A 6,598 vote margin of victory.

See, I told you that Prime was dead in the water! Oh wait:

Grand Theft Auto 3 (2009g) has a strength of 24.21 against Base Link.
Half-Life 2 (2009g) has a strength of 30.22 against Base Link.


Grand Theft Auto 3 40.06% 47,662
Half-Life 2 59.94% 71,325
TOTAL VOTES 118,986

Half-Life 2 wins with 59.94% of the vote!
A 23,663 vote margin of victory.

My god, a STAT UNDERPERFORMANCE, HL2???
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People seem to downplay GTA every time they can.

Even last year, sure GTA3 came in last when people expected to come in 3rd, but it still got 45% on the winner. Even San Andreas ended up roughly where we thought it would end up.
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GotD Bracket: 68/76 Today's Matches: GoW & HL2

Yeah, GTA and Halo are two franchises that people pretty much assume are going to choke. It's kinda hard to call where they're going to land sometimes due to antivoting.
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These are interesting trends. Half Life has fallen the entire way, but I don't think that signifies a day vote disadvantage here. GTA as usual is doing great in Europe, and even better in Asia/Oceania. Can't imagine this going any better for HL2 as a night match.

I think it would still rather have the night against Prime, but it should be more of a fair match than this makes it look.
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I was looking at HL2 trends earlier, and it seems like it has a good board vote, then tapers off for the rest of the day, with possibly a slightly better night vote than day vote (though not by much). Coincidentally, Portal seems to trend similarly.
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Not a good performance from HL2 today. I see people are talking about how VC beat MP with PM in the poll, however I just feel like HL2 should do better against GTA3 than this. And HL2 is very much a night game right? I don't feel confident in HL2 beating MP, that match is almost a tossup to me right now. My gut is leaning more towards MP now due to the day match factor.

Vice City > SH2 was fine (SH2 was going to get a boost in strength after Yahtzee's review, and the same probably happens for SotC)

This is, like, LinkMarioSamus type of logic!

What next, it's going to become champ at CrispyDonut?
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Match LXXIII: (1) Super Smash Bros. Melee vs. (9) The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind

Last Round

Super Smash Bros. Melee – 87.16%
Guitar Hero II – 12.84%

Warcraft III – 49.55%
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind – 50.45%

Analysis

Despite having no information on last year’s opponents between the big three I felt that Melee looked the best and while it means almost nothing starting out strong does make you look good. Morrowind on the other hand was able to upset Warcraft III and was able to hang on to the lead and prevent The Elder Scrolls fans from whining for a round.

Oddly enough this match gives us some insight on Final Fantasy X since Morrowind had that game as its opponent last contest. Final Fantasy X ended up with just under 73% of the vote in that match, on the other hand that match had three Playstation 2 games and Final Fantasy X could have underperformed. I know a lot of people don’t believe in Playstation 2 LFF and God of War barely winning over Tales of Symphonia doesn’t help, but Silent Hill 2 was able to look a lot better last round than what the numbers suggest so I feel that the possibility is there.

I wouldn’t call the contest should Melee barely break 73% on Morrowind, but if it approaches 80% I think it may be safe to remove Final Fantasy X from the mix and wait to see what Brawl can pull off. However I don’t see Morrowind getting that crushed, especially in a night match.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Super Smash Bros. Melee > Warcraft III

charmander6000’s Prediction: Super Smash Bros. Melee wins, 73.23% - 26.77%

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GotD Bracket: 68/76 Today's Matches: GoW & HL2

No interesting matches for a couple days it looks like.

...Unless, Super Mario Galaxy Vs. Pokemon Emerald is interesting?
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Next pseudo-interesting match is BioShock/KHII
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...Unless, Super Mario Galaxy Vs. Pokemon Emerald is interesting?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3475
Not unless it's a fair bit stronger than Pokemon DP. It's a night match as well which is to Pokemon RSE's disadvantage.
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over/under: 80% at the freeze tonight
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I know we all tout Samus as the queen of hourly consistency, but eh, I've gotta say Metroid leans slightly toward the daytime unless I see it disproven

Well Samus is certainly about as 12-hour neutral as you can get. Which is very different than "hourly consistency" - she has very exaggerated trends. It's just that they even out for the 1st 12 hours vs. 2nd 12 hours. Metroid is likely similar since it has similar geolocation to Samus. I never actually looked at it though, but here's a list of Metroid's 24 hour matches, and where Metroid was at noon vs. the end of the match:

MP/PM/KH/VC
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Noon: 23.62% End: 22.50% (Kindgom Hearts and Paper Mario took the ASV)

Super Metroid/LttP/SMK/DKC
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=3482&num=4
Noon: 19.17% End: 18.89%

Metroid/SMB/LoZ/Ninja Gaiden (weekend match)
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=3479&num=4
Noon: 9.38% End: 9.35%

Super Metroid/SMK/Sonic 3/Gunstar Heroes
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=3454&num=4
Noon: 34.90% End: 35.29%

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=3449&num=4
Noon: 19.11% End: 18.63%

There's also poll 3496 with Super Metroid/LttP/FF6/LoZ:LA, but I apparently don't have the updates for that.

So in 4 of those 5 polls, the difference in pretty neglible. In the first poll it drops. Seems pretty 1st 12 hour/2nd 12 hour neutral to me.

The one thing you could say is that in a 12 hour day-only match, those Power Hour votes that normally vote at midnight would vote again, and they would be pro-Metroid. So 12 hour day-only Metroid might be a bit stronger than 12 hour night-only Metroid, as it might be better during the 2nd 12 hours than it normally is for a 24 hour match.

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However I don’t see Morrowind getting that crushed, especially in a night match.

While Smash would certainly due a lot better during the day, the lower vote totals of night matches exaggerate the importance of the Power Hour vote, and that is going to be heavily Smash biased. Smash might even be above 80% for a while early on. So that will counteract the night vote disadvantage somewhat.
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I think Perfect Dark can beat Call of Duty 4 tomorrow with it being Thanksgiving. PD is more a GameFAQs users type of game, kind of like how Kratos went nuts on Sackboy during the Super Bowl. Casual gamers won't be online to vote CoD4 tomorrow, since they'll have plans.

I'm banking.
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I wouldn't say Samus is hourly consistent, but I'd like to tout her as one of the most year-over-year consistent characters we have. I think she's been basically at the same strength since 2003.
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Talking about Samus, she's one of those characters that I just don't "Get" where her strength comes from. The Metroid games are never incredibly popular here, there haven't been that many of them, she doesn't seem like a huge fan favorite in Smash (I could be wrong though)... Where does all of her strength come from?
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Where does all of her strength come from?

Design mostly. And Smash. She wasn't a favorite, but she was decently popular in them.

I agree with the sentiment though. Her being on par with Mario indirectly never made intuitive sense to me.
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It's mostly character design, I think. Samus has the Metroid series (not a super strong series, but not exactly lightweight either), Smash, and a really cool character design. Crono is another character who is very strong considering what he has supporting him (a single game, however strong that game is). At the really high end, Link benefits from character design too- Legend of Zelda is strong, but no other character from the series can even challenge near-elites.

Probably most of the Noble Nine benefit from character design above and beyond what their roles in their games would give them, actually, except for Mario and Sonic.
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I can agree with this.
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Maybe Samus would do better against Mario now. Who knows?

over/under: 80% at the freeze tonight

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I wouldn't even take Perfect Dark to beat Sands of Time.
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Perfect Dark over Call of Duty 4 would be enough to make me question taking any current-gen game in a reasonably debated match.

On the other hand, it would also slaughter Bacon's silly 'old games can't compete with new ones' theory since it's a game not even in the first tier amongst its own console's FPSes beating one of the arguably top 4 current-gen games.
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There are very few characters above the fodder line who have bad character design. I'm not actually sure who the strongest one with actual "not good" character design actually is, joke characters aside. Ganondorf? Tidus?* Mario's isn't that great in theory, but it's iconic to gaming, and even if it wasn't the Mario palette tends to be brightly colored and a standout when compared to his opponents

*And there are plenty of people that like that style.
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Perfect Dark won't get close to Call of Duty. Not sure what some people are seeing there, but Perfect Dark probably won't even hold on for a minute before it loses the lead and never makes an attempt to get it back. Easy win for COD4 there.

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FFX got 72.74% on Morrowind last year, so we'll get a nice comparison between them tonight. If Melee can just get close to that number at night, it will look good to beat FFX in a 24 hour match.
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wasn't that a 4-way match? don't you people say those aren't reliable? I don't think its fair to make that comparison. anyway night match or not I can already see Melee breaking 80%
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If Melee gets 80% here for the entire match (not just the freeze), then we might as well cancel the rest of the contest. Its won.
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There are very few characters above the fodder line who have bad character design. I'm not actually sure who the strongest one with actual "not good" character design actually is, joke characters aside. Ganondorf? Tidus?* Mario's isn't that great in theory, but it's iconic to gaming, and even if it wasn't the Mario palette tends to be brightly colored and a standout when compared to his opponents

Mario, Ganondorf, and Zelda are the biggest ones I think. Probably Vincent, Squall, Tifa, and Sora too, to a lesser extent. Make Mario the hero of any other series, taking away his iconic status, and he'll go straight to midcarder or lower. Put Ganon and Zelda in another series, and they probably can't even make midcarder. Make Link the hero of any non-obscure series, and he'll still be Noble Niner strength.
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I think it'd be a surprise, as it stands now, if Melee didn't win this contest.

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It's more of a benchmark than anything. Setting a spot Melee has to reach for it to become FFX responding rather than FFX taking control of the contest.
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Legend of Mario would slaughter Super Link Brothers so badly red sox.
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It was a 4-way match, and yes, they shouldn't be taken too seriously, but they've actually been surprising accurate, and there's no more reason to think FFX overperformed in that match as to think that it underperformed.

Melee won't get 80%, but if it does........yeah, it's got the contest locked down.
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wasn't that a 4-way match? don't you people say those aren't reliable? I don't think its fair to make that comparison. anyway night match or not I can already see Melee breaking 80%

It depends who you talk to. If it's a match without any obvious LFF, I think they tend to be pretty good. Some people don't like using them at all.
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I thought Vincent was all character design? I figured thats why a characters whos optional and doesnt even talk much was so popular
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SMB was much closer to LOZ than Mario was ever to Link, which shows that Link gains more from his personal characteristics as a character.
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Vincent's strong because he's from FFVII. Though I won't argue against him having appealing character design if you say he does.
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Well I mean theres a reason he's the 3rd most popular FF7 character when he's not even plot relevant or a mandatory character
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Mario, Ganondorf, and Zelda are the biggest ones I think. Probably Vincent, Squall, Tifa, and Sora too, to a lesser extent. Make Mario the hero of any other series, taking away his iconic status, and he'll go straight to midcarder or lower. Put Ganon and Zelda in another series, and they probably can't even make midcarder. Make Link the hero of any non-obscure series, and he'll still be Noble Niner strength.

All of these characters are popular because of the series they are in, but I'm not sure what you're defining as character design. Tifa is designed to be a smoking hot babe, and Vincent's supposed to be a badass vampire dude. They are popular because of the series they are in sure, but even if they were still in FFVII, their design helps, and they would not be as popular without it. None of these characters other than Ganondorf or Mario have any sort of design that would turn most people off, if they saw them out of context.
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I can't imagine Vincent being on-par with Tifa, let alone being stronger than her, if it weren't for his character design. I mean, if he doesn't have appeal because of his design, then what reason is there for Sephiroth to SFF him more than Tifa, meaning Tifa/Vincent isn't debatable, right?
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