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MegatokyoEd | Posted 11/24/2010 9:06:48 AM | message detail
I still think HL2 has the MP match on lock but this pretty much makes sure that HL2 isn't beating Fallout.
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/24/2010 9:07:43 AM | message detail
HL2 doesn't need a big win here to beat MP. MP lost to VC last year, and although it probably would have won without Paper Mario in the poll, it wouldn't have been by a big margin. VC should be stronger than 3, but not by much. An Ulti-style blowout is fine for HL2 here.
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Greyfeld | Posted 11/24/2010 9:07:49 AM | message detail
GOW had about 56% of brackets. People were lucky they didn't learn anything last year.

I take this to mean you took ToS and are sore that you were wrong?

Because I think people DID learn something last year. They learned that ToS can box out a stronger game when it's in 4-way matches without anything to LFF it.
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 11/24/2010 9:07:56 AM | message detail
Feeling a lot better about Metroid Prime beating Half-Life 2.
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Solid_Mike86 | Posted 11/24/2010 9:07:59 AM | message detail
HL2 is not beating MP. GTA games are weak in these contests.
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NoDicePwn | Posted 11/24/2010 9:08:22 AM | message detail
I won't call that match or anything for FO3 till I see Arkham Asylum. One would think AA and GTA3 would be pretty close... if Fallout 3 can beat HL2s percentage here, I'd feel good.
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NoDicePwn | Posted 11/24/2010 9:08:55 AM | message detail
HL2 is not beating MP. GTA games are weak in these contests.

And a GTA game beat MP.
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 11/24/2010 9:09:16 AM | message detail

From: Greyfeld | #453
I take this to mean you took ToS and are sore that you were wrong?

Because I think people DID learn something last year. They learned that ToS can box out a stronger game when it's in 4-way matches without anything to LFF it.


Not

Really

For starters last year GoW was leading when this match ended.
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shane15 | Posted 11/24/2010 9:09:43 AM | message detail
GTA3 is a pretty damn good game though.It is defo up there as one of the top games this gen and took gaming a step forward.
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 11/24/2010 9:10:37 AM | message detail

From: NoDicePwn | #457
HL2 is not beating MP. GTA games are weak in these contests.

And a GTA game beat MP.


Yeah, with a Mario and a Kingdom Hearts game in the match. Fourways are tricky that way, especially since GTA seems to do tons better in multi-option polls than one on one.
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Solid_Mike86 | Posted 11/24/2010 9:10:43 AM | message detail
Yea a GTA game did beat MP..... IN A FOUR WAY POLL.
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paulg235 | Posted 11/24/2010 9:12:19 AM | message detail

From: Greyfeld | #453
GOW had about 56% of brackets. People were lucky they didn't learn anything last year.

I take this to mean you took ToS and are sore that you were wrong?


No, I took GOW. You can check my guru if you think I'm lying.

From: NoDicePwn | #457
HL2 is not beating MP. GTA games are weak in these contests.

And a GTA game beat MP.


A MP which was LFF'ed by PM in the four-ways.
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TRE Public Account | Posted 11/24/2010 9:12:44 AM | message detail
Score-Brackets-% Right
72------21----------95.24
71------13----------84.62
70------63----------88.89
69------105--------66.67
68------178--------67.98
67------251--------67.33
66------420--------65.48
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62------1089------66.12
61------1254------64.83
60------1395------68.53
59------1471------65.19
58------1539------66.02
57------1611------64.43
56------1640------60.61
55------1655------62.36
54------1685------60.36
53------1651------56.27
52------1639------55.70
51------1476------54.27
50------1450------53.10
49------1364------50.22
48------1226------50.08
47------1044------44.73
46------904--------43.92
45------759--------41.37
44------581--------47.16
43------487--------42.09
42------426--------37.09
41------316--------42.72
40------207--------29.47
39------198--------32.83
38------139--------24.46
37------105--------34.29
36------85----------27.06
35------59----------27.12
34------48----------29.17
33------36----------27.78
32------32----------12.50
31------17----------35.29
30------23----------21.74
29------13----------23.08
28------7------------28.57
27------7------------14.29
26------10----------20.00
25------7------------57.14
24------4------------0.00
23------6------------33.33
22------12----------25.00
21------3------------0.00
20------9------------22.22
19------8------------37.50
18------6------------33.33
17------4------------0.00
16------4------------0.00
15------9------------11.11
14------5------------0.00
13------7------------0.00
12------9------------0.00
11------10----------0.00
10------19----------10.53
9--------5------------0.00
8--------6------------0.00
7--------3------------0.00
6--------2------------0.00
5--------5------------0.00
4--------4------------25.00
3--------5------------0.00
2--------8------------0.00
1--------23----------0.00
0--------16----------0.00

Decent prediction percentage considering how close God of War was to losing. We end up losing a -4 bracket and a few -5s and -6s but not too many. Prediction percentage falls of quite a bit at -7 before slowy fading away.

7 people fell off the Top 50. SomeGamerDude, DocJustice, Ultimaphazon, trannyscience, chriscam23, Randomcrazydude and narcoticrex did not have God of War winning the match.
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Greyfeld | Posted 11/24/2010 9:18:43 AM | message detail
So, what % do you think GTA2 needs to pull here for SA to have a chance against Golden Sun?
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Greyfeld | Posted 11/24/2010 9:19:17 AM | message detail
GTA3*
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Kotetsu534 | Posted 11/24/2010 9:21:27 AM | message detail
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Kotetsu534 | Posted 11/24/2010 9:22:30 AM | message detail
It doesn't really matter in one sense, because we don't know how strong Golden Sun is. In another sense, 40% on Half-Life 2 is more or less where the GTAs were based on last contest, so the ball's in Golden Sun's court to get up to that level.

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paulg235 | Posted 11/24/2010 9:22:45 AM | message detail
To have a chance? 38.75%. To be the favourite? 40%. To be a huge favourite? 42.50%.
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Greyfeld | Posted 11/24/2010 9:28:00 AM | message detail
You know, i was looking at xstats (I know, lol xstats), and decided to check something. Based on this poll:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3998

Combined with these findings:

Fire Emblem (2009g) VS GTA: San Andreas (2009g)

Fire Emblem has a strength of 15.11.
GTA: San Andreas has a strength of 28.11.

GTA: San Andreas wins with 73.12% of the vote!
A win of 54,796 with 118,485 total votes cast.

How much do we really trust Golden Sun to pull through with an upset win?
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/24/2010 9:29:40 AM | message detail
First off, Fire Emblem was being SFFed by literally its worst possible opponent.

Secondly, Golden Sun would tear Fire Emblem to shreds.
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kinsho3 | Posted 11/24/2010 9:29:46 AM | message detail
Even if GTA3 breaks 45% here (unlikely) I think it's not gonna matter much. If Dark Dawn is truly hyped on this site, Golden Sun's numbers WILL be inflated, especially against a game like GTA:SA.
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TRE Public Account | Posted 11/24/2010 9:29:56 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3469

Fire Emblem was getting badly SFF'd in both cases.
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 11/24/2010 9:30:06 AM | message detail
^ are you really trying to pin down GS' chances... based on fire emblem?

How do you figure that makes ANY sense?
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/24/2010 9:33:07 AM | message detail
For reference, if you think Fire Emblem and Golden Sun are remotely comparable, then you'd better be prepared to say WWF No Mercy has a legit shot at beating Ratchet and Clank.
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Greyfeld | Posted 11/24/2010 9:33:15 AM | message detail
^ are you really trying to pin down GS' chances... based on fire emblem?

How do you figure that makes ANY sense?


Because I don't think their strength is that far apart, honestly.

If anybody is going to sit there and say "oh, that poll SFFs Fire Emblem," doesn't that just make Golden Sun look worse?
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Greyfeld | Posted 11/24/2010 9:34:51 AM | message detail
For reference, if you think Fire Emblem and Golden Sun are remotely comparable, then you'd better be prepared to say WWF No Mercy has a legit shot at beating Ratchet and Clank.

I wouldn't put No Mercy any lower than 43/57 on UYA, to be completely honest.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/24/2010 9:34:57 AM | message detail
Um... no?
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/24/2010 9:35:15 AM | message detail
Anyone who thinks Fire Emblem and Golden Sun are remotely close after the first round matches is delusional.
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TRE Public Account | Posted 11/24/2010 9:35:23 AM | message detail
Because I don't think their strength is that far apart, honestly.

Based on what?

If anybody is going to sit there and say "oh, that poll SFFs Fire Emblem," doesn't that just make Golden Sun look worse?

No. Why would it?
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/24/2010 9:36:20 AM | message detail
I would like to hear how Fire Emblem getting SFFed by the game that introduced Fire Emblem to the United States makes Golden Sun look worse.
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Greyfeld | Posted 11/24/2010 9:37:03 AM | message detail
Um, because if Golden Sun only beat FE due to FE getting SFFed, then that means Golden Sun is actually weaker than the Xstats projection would have previously indicated?
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/24/2010 9:38:41 AM | message detail
Uh....you do realize that the X-stats projection is based on a Fire Emblem getting SFFed by Melee AND that your other poll says Pokemon beats Super Mario Brothers? You know, the Super Mario Brothers that 1-on-1 almost beat Final Fantasy?
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paulg235 | Posted 11/24/2010 9:38:42 AM | message detail
That was Disgaea.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/24/2010 9:38:52 AM | message detail

From: Greyfeld | #481
if Golden Sun only beat FE


Since when did 'Golden Sun beat FE' period, minus that extremely unusable favorite series poll?
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TRE Public Account | Posted 11/24/2010 9:39:01 AM | message detail
Golden Sun was also getting hammered by SFF in that poll.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/24/2010 9:41:14 AM | message detail
I'm content with this performance. GTA is no joke, and I'm very confident that HL2 will cruise past GoW with ease now. The Prime match was always gonna be tough, but Gordon hasn't disappointed me yet.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/24/2010 9:41:51 AM | message detail
I'm just going to spoil something about using non-contest polls to justify future results.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2622

Obviously, the most popular FFXII character beats some dog from Okami, right?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2905

Of course, if that's not enough I can show you polls where Yoshi beats Mario and Knuckles beats Sonic. (Cecil > Sonic believe)
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Lord_Yggdrassil | Posted 11/24/2010 9:42:09 AM | message detail
SFF by what? All i see is a bunch of Nintendo franchises. FE wasn't sFF'd anymore than GS was.
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paulg235 | Posted 11/24/2010 9:42:47 AM | message detail
HL2's bled a little for the last couple of updates. GTA:SA's chances look good.
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Greyfeld | Posted 11/24/2010 9:43:13 AM | message detail
Golden Sun was also getting hammered by SFF in that poll.

THANK you. I'm glad somebody else said it, because I was tired of getting ganged up on.

That nintendo poll is a huge SFF-fest. But if everything is SFFing each other, you still end up having the games sort out into their appropriate pecking order, with few exceptions.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/24/2010 9:44:32 AM | message detail
You're getting ganged up on because you're using logic that was proven to be terrible literally 7 years ago.
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Greyfeld | Posted 11/24/2010 9:47:51 AM | message detail
You're getting ganged up on because you're using logic that was proven to be terrible literally 7 years ago.

While I wasn't aware that the xtats on '09 FE were based on a huge SFF match, to make GS even moderately close to GTA:SA in strength, FE had to have its votes cut in half. And then you have to assume GS is several percent stronger than FE.

For a small GBA title that's only managed to beat a crappy platformer, that's a lot of assumptions to make.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/24/2010 9:49:27 AM | message detail
A favorite series poll, all from the same maker, to determine individual game strength, with over 8 entrants, and the ones you're looking at are the ones that were stomped to less than 5%.

Good job, good job
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Lord_Yggdrassil | Posted 11/24/2010 9:50:38 AM | message detail
We don't even know how strong FE is either...it's had 2 turd fodder sports games which Rachet would beat.
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Greyfeld | Posted 11/24/2010 9:53:21 AM | message detail
A favorite series poll, all from the same maker, to determine individual game strength, with over 8 entrants, and the ones you're looking at are the ones that were stomped to less than 5%.

Good job, good job


Actually, that only further proves my point.

Franchises almost always overperform in same-company/system polls.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3999
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3721
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/24/2010 9:53:37 AM | message detail
See, the problem is that you're assuming Golden Sun is small on this site.

A Golden Sun side character was the original comedy near-upset of Master Chief. While SA's characters include the bottom of the barrel from the Bottom Of The Barrel Contest and a guy who got smacked around by Ness.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/24/2010 9:55:32 AM | message detail

From: Greyfeld | #495
Franchises almost always overperform in same-company/system polls.


Um... but they're ALL franchises. How do they all overperform if they're... performing against each other? Do... only some of them overperform at random? Do you even check what you say?
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Greyfeld | Posted 11/24/2010 9:56:05 AM | message detail
A Golden Sun side character was the original comedy near-upset of Master Chief. While SA's characters include the bottom of the barrel from the Bottom Of The Barrel Contest and a guy who got smacked around by Ness.

No, I'm assuming Golden Sun isn't as strong as people believe it to be. There's a difference.

And I don't know how many times I have to say Character polls =\= game polls.
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tgs2 | Posted 11/24/2010 9:56:23 AM | message detail
I think the match is a little overhyped, but losing 60-40/55-45 to arguably the strongest GTA game isn't horrible in any respect.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/24/2010 9:57:13 AM | message detail
I'd say Golden Sun characters are a better indication of Golden Sun's strength then using Fire Emblem and a million-way everything Nintendo poll!

Quick Zelda only gets 60% on Jecht Tidus beats Mario easily.
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