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UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/23/2010 10:20:58 AM | message detail
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~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

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~*Say What? Common Stats Topic Lingo Defined*~

SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote. This is the best example of SFF we've ever seen. However take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make perfect sense.

Extrapolated Standings - The mathematical "strength" of a contestant that's determined based on their performance relative to the rest of the field. This number is typically based on the contest entrant's loss, but adjustments are sometimes made. See above for a watered down explanation for how the stats are calculated.

Noble Nine - Link, Cloud, Solid Snake, Sephiroth, Mario, Crono, Sonic, Samus and Mega Man.
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SuperAngelo128 | Posted 11/23/2010 10:21:34 AM | message detail
shouldn't you get rid of the Noble Nine part 'lol'
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Kotetsu534 | Posted 11/23/2010 2:48:39 PM | message detail
Wii has the two strongest exclusives of the gen by a really wide margin, though we've always known that.

Brawl, definitely. Twilight Princess isn't really exclusive, and I'm not convinced it would beat MGS4 by a "really wide margin". Super Mario Galaxy? I wish!

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/23/2010 2:56:52 PM | message detail
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PS3 exclusives are this year's version of the Winter 2010 first round Sonic Team panic. Relax. Uncharted 2 is probably still making the divisional final, and Assassin's Creed is probably a strong game.


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Lord_Yggdrassil | Posted 11/23/2010 3:00:47 PM | message detail
yeah TP isn't a Wii exclusive and if it was a wii exlcusive it wouldnt' be as strong.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 11/23/2010 3:25:10 PM | message detail
So yesterday's match showed that Metroid Prime is apparently stronger than Halo...this would place it on StarCraft's level I guess. Today's match is demonstrating that Okami will have no chance at Prime and will likely be 60-40'd.

Also if you extrapolate off of last contest you get Silent Hill 2 > Devil May Cry 3...hahahaha no. So Prime is guaranteed to be stronger than Vice City. Also I guess this means...that Half-Life is stronger than Devil May Cry 3? Wowzers.

Metroid Prime vs. Super Mario Galaxy who do you guys pick?
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trannyscience | Posted 11/23/2010 3:26:59 PM | message detail
that is the most nonsensical post I've seen in a whie.
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trannyscience | Posted 11/23/2010 3:27:05 PM | message detail
see? it's driving me to typos
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TheCodeisBosco | Posted 11/23/2010 3:30:40 PM | message detail
Metroid Prime/Super Mario Galaxy could actually be a pretty cool match. I'd go with Mario, myself, though anything could happen.

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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 11/23/2010 3:34:42 PM | message detail
Prime's beatdown also makes me feel more comfortable about Galaxy > RSE, since for that to happen you'd need RSE to be much stronger than DMC3 and/or Galaxy to be much weaker than Prime, and neither is likely.
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Haste_2 | Posted 11/23/2010 3:39:23 PM | message detail
GTA3 is weaker than GTA:VC and GTA:SA, right? That's what the previous game contest seems to suggest... I mean, GTA3 hung with KOTOR and Halo, while GTA:VC edged out an leeched MP and GTA:SA hung with God of War and ESIV (which is just a bit under MGS3).

A fact that some might not know: Oblivion just did a tiny bit worse than HL2 taking direct matches against Zelda: Twilight Princess from the previous contest. (51/49 expected win for HL2) Of course, the Oblivion match is somewhat fishy, but any corrections would make Oblivion look stronger.

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Lightning Strikes | Posted 11/23/2010 3:58:51 PM | message detail

From: Kotetsu534 | #003
Wii has the two strongest exclusives of the gen by a really wide margin, though we've always known that.

Brawl, definitely. Twilight Princess isn't really exclusive, and I'm not convinced it would beat MGS4 by a "really wide margin". Super Mario Galaxy? I wish!


It would. TP murdered MGS3 last year, and MGS4 could only beat TP by 3.5% with both Brawl and Resident Evil 4 holding it back. Needless to say, if Twilight Princess met MGS4 one on one it would win easily. MGS4 vs. Galaxy would be a good match though.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 11/23/2010 4:23:38 PM | message detail
Keep deluding yourselves guys. MGS4 would likely push for a doubling on Galaxy, which is stupid since MGS4 shouldn't even be winning that (though 2 and 3 are fine candidates for winning).

I thought that this match proved that Devil May Cry 3 was weaker than the original, but it simply proves that Metroid Prime is on StarCraft's level. Hey wait...rank these games in order of strength!

Metroid Prime
Super Mario Galaxy
StarCraft
Diablo II
Halo: Combat Evolved
GTA: San Andreas
GTA: Vice City
Grand Theft Auto III
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
BioShock
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/23/2010 4:27:55 PM | message detail
Twilight Princess received the bulk of its hype as a GameCube game, but it instantly became known as a Wii game when we learned it would act as that console's launch killer app. Its attach rate during the Wii's first holiday season was so ridiculous - something like 80%+. It's a Wii game.
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 11/23/2010 4:48:56 PM | message detail
Don't underestimate Galaxy. BG&E beat Total War by more than Shenmue did in the Sega poll. It's probably stronger and Galaxy only did worse on BG&E than TP did on Shenmue. Not the most accurate stats in the world but BG&E>Shenmue is fairly logical anyway. Even if we assume that they're equal Galaxy is still at 47% on Twilight Princess-a fair bit higher than MGS3 and presumably, MGS4.

MGS4 could take it but Galaxy looks stronger right now. However, MGS4 failed to double Assassin's Creed by a fair bit. Saying it would push for a doubling on Galaxy is outright stupid.

From: PartOfYourWorld | #014
Twilight Princess received the bulk of its hype as a GameCube game, but it instantly became known as a Wii game when we learned it would act as that console's launch killer app. Its attach rate during the Wii's first holiday season was so ridiculous - something like 80%+. It's a Wii game.


Also something like 85% of its sales were the Wii version. Gamecube version sold well too, but was a tiny minority of the sales.

Hell, not only is TP best known for its Wii version it was even the Wii's first Killer App.
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AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 11/23/2010 4:51:20 PM | message detail
From a videogame design perspective, TP is a gamecube game.

From the non-hardcore gamer perspective, it's a Wii game. Let's be honest here.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 11/23/2010 4:52:22 PM | message detail
I don't think I would take SMG over ANY MGS game.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/23/2010 4:52:23 PM | message detail

From: Lightning Strikes | #015
Don't underestimate Galaxy.


I was planning on not doing that this contest, but then it's thrown to TP in round 3 :(

Galaxy could have been used much better in this.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/23/2010 4:53:03 PM | message detail
Twilight Princess is a Wii game in the same way Final Fantasy 6 is a Game Boy Advance game.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/23/2010 4:54:15 PM | message detail
I consider TP a Wii game. I played it on the Wii. I've never played it on the Gamecube. It was released the same time as the Gamecube version. I don't see the comparison.

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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 11/23/2010 4:55:55 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #016
Twilight Princess is a Wii game in the same way Final Fantasy 6 is a Game Boy Advance game.


Did the GBA version come out at the same time with much bigger amount of sales, reviews, and overall hype than the SNES version? I never knew that!
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 11/23/2010 4:56:20 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #020
I consider TP a Wii game. I played it on the Wii. I've never played it on the Gamecube. It was released the same time as the Gamecube version. I don't see the comparison.


Actually, it was released first.

From: UltimaterializerX | #018
I was planning on not doing that this contest, but then it's thrown to TP in round 3 :(

Galaxy could have been used much better in this.


Dis x1000

Man, this is why I keep saying TP and MM should be swapped. It would make Galaxy's division much more interesting.
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EvilNcr | Posted 11/23/2010 5:03:49 PM | message detail
Tag post.
While I'm at it, I see a close win by God of War over Tales of Symphonia, what's the consensus anyway?
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/23/2010 5:04:50 PM | message detail
I have the Gamecube version and I consider TP a Wii game.

Also lol at comparing it to FFVI Advance. It came out on the Wii first, not years later.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/23/2010 5:22:52 PM | message detail
I've come to the conclusion that ToS got this, based on absolutely nothing. Let's do this.

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red sox 777 | Posted 11/23/2010 5:28:33 PM | message detail
I'm beginning to think about banking. ToS did win this match last year after all, so I can't be too confident in God of War. On the other hand, banking 17000 or so here to get to 30000 here pretty much requires me to get a 50+ streak later just to have a chance, so I'll probably have to take the risk.
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AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 11/23/2010 5:35:33 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #019
Twilight Princess is a Wii game in the same way Final Fantasy 6 is a Game Boy Advance game.


No, Twilight Princess is a Wii game in the same way Halo: Combat Evolved is an Xbox game.
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/23/2010 5:42:34 PM | message detail
ToS may have won, but it won under favourable conditions, before the match the stats topic was saying how it would act like a sore thumb.
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Guess how many teens | Posted 11/23/2010 5:50:09 PM | message detail
People really think ToS can win? Come on guys, if GoW wins with less than 55% I'll change second line of my sig to whatever the first guy says to change it to.
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AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 11/23/2010 5:52:50 PM | message detail
In that case, change it to "Play Earthbound."

Ulti would be proud.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/23/2010 5:53:56 PM | message detail
I thought GoW had this until GoW2 bombed. I'll be banking tonight, because I definitely can't say one way or another.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/23/2010 6:21:56 PM | message detail
I thought GoW had this until GoW2 bombed. I'll be banking tonight, because I definitely can't say one way or another.

You call this a "bombing" performance:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4082

I personally felt like it was a little bit better than I had expected.

For GoW to win this match, it simply has to be stronger than GoW2. Because GoW2 managed to break 60% on RE5 here:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4049

GoW is probably stronger than GoW2 as GoW got in normally while GoW2 needed a vote-in. And even if GoW is slightly weaker than GoW2, it could still beat ToS.
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/23/2010 6:24:55 PM | message detail
Thing is we never seen GoW2 before. Most people expected it to be weaker than the original.

If anything I feel better about GoW because GoW2 won over RE5 by more than ToS and it just proved that it is likely to be weaker than GoW by getting crushed by WW.
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gearofages | Posted 11/23/2010 6:25:44 PM | message detail
All of your heads will explode if Metroid Prime defeats Oblivion in the finals.
pjbasis | Posted 11/23/2010 6:35:50 PM | message detail
Is everyone saying TP is a Wii game cause it was released on the Wii first?
I mean, cause that's it. That's all you got.

The truth is, it was developed for the Gamecube.
The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/23/2010 6:37:23 PM | message detail
Yeah, I was so used to TP being a Gamecube game that sometimes I forget it's a Wii game
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/23/2010 6:40:28 PM | message detail
God of War is still light years ahead of the other action games (DMC, Ninja Gaiden), and well ahead of other Western series like Gears as well. We all just forgot what a legit Zelda game would do to these recent Western titles. The answer, of course, is bad things. I actually think GoW2 did an alright job to finish at 36% and avoid the complete obliteration.

Basically, I'm not feeling too worried about old Angry McScreamface tonight.
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transients | Posted 11/23/2010 6:42:43 PM | message detail
GOW is going to start out way behind if the Wind Waker match has any say, not to mention how much of a board fave TOS is.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/23/2010 6:43:44 PM | message detail
RE5 won the board vote against ToS.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/23/2010 6:45:17 PM | message detail
I'm hoping bracketz bracketz brcktz will assuage that. GoW is a massive favorite here - 80% in the Guru (had no idea this was so one-sided).
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transients | Posted 11/23/2010 6:46:04 PM | message detail
by 'board vote' I mean those first 10-15 minutes, not the immediate vote. Tales was at 57% and dropped off damn fast while GOW2 couldn't even break 30%.
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transients | Posted 11/23/2010 6:46:39 PM | message detail
GOW is a favourite here, but a lot of people will remember TOS winning last year and go that route, not to mention higher seed. I expect it to be a lot more even sitewide.
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pjbasis | Posted 11/23/2010 6:46:42 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #039
RE5 won the board vote against ToS.


RE5 was a good game though.
Achromatic | Posted 11/23/2010 6:46:48 PM | message detail
Let's not confuse Tales of Symphonia and Wind Waker.
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/23/2010 6:53:52 PM | message detail
God of War does have brackets, I'm expecting ToS to win the board vote, but it won't be by much.
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/23/2010 6:59:25 PM | message detail
As for WW/GoW2, it was only a good performance if you thought GoW2 was equal to GoW since it puts WW just a bit under TP.
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kinsho3 | Posted 11/23/2010 7:01:08 PM | message detail

From: Achromatic | #034
Let's not confuse Tales of Symphonia and Wind Waker.


This this this. ToS is at least a couple leagues below Wind Waker's levels. Honestly, ToS being a low midcarder sounds about right to me.
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transients | Posted 11/23/2010 7:02:27 PM | message detail
no one's comparing Tales to Zelda in strength. both games are just popular on the board due to being Nintendo or Nintendo-lite, so they'll overperform early.
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eaglesarebeasts | Posted 11/23/2010 7:06:36 PM | message detail
The more I think about, the more I think that a Jak and Daxter game really deserves to be in the contest. All of them were great platformers and Jak 2 was really innovative. At least be in over some ****y game like Infamous.
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/23/2010 7:09:08 PM | message detail
God of War is winning tonight, bank on it.
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