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695924 | Posted 11/17/2010 9:36:32 AM | message detail
CC's biggest flaw isn't even the fact it wasn't CT. Look at FF7>FF8>FF9 progression. All different battle systems yet they actually worked. CC is like Parasite Eve 2, it just wanted to be different for the sake of being different and didn't think to actually make the game playable.
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NoDicePwn | Posted 11/17/2010 9:39:56 AM | message detail
Whats wrong with the battle system in CC?
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/17/2010 9:42:42 AM | message detail
MGS4 beating Majora's Mask/GSC in a day match would be more impressive than anything the series has done in any contest other than maybe Snake's 2006, and even then that was marred by Snake/Samus. It's in the same position Brawl is in vs. Melee. It's drawing a bunch of favorable time matches, so if it's not outdoing MM/GSC it's dead. Then again, I think Assassin's Creed has legit strength so I'm not as down on MGS4 as others are.
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Advokaiser | Posted 11/17/2010 9:44:52 AM | message detail
Chrono Cross breaks 60%. What's next? Chrono Cross beating Majora's Mask 55/45? This match was supposed to be the most difficult match to predict since TWEWY/DR.

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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/17/2010 9:46:33 AM | message detail
This match was supposed to be the most difficult match to predict since TWEWY/DR.

No it wasn't. This match was obvious from the start that a few people hyped because they forgot that Dragon Quest isn't even a top 10 RPG series on GameFAQs.
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creativename | Posted 11/17/2010 9:48:04 AM | message detail
I thought Chrono Cross had one of the better battle systems. Not as good as CT's though.

From: TRE Public Account | #346
I wouldn't say that. GSC might still screw up in its Round 1 match and show MGS4 still has a chance.


Yeah, while MGS4's performance against AC wasn't good, it definitely still has a shot against a game we haven't even seen yet. Not sure if we can even read too much from GSC's match, because by all rights it should slaughter Advance Wars, which will not only be weak but is also a portable. I would probably pick GSC over MGS4 right now due largely to the day match factor, but I think it's far from a lock.

From: WarThaNemesis2 | #353
MGS4 beating Majora's Mask/GSC in a day match would be more impressive than anything the series has done in any contest other than maybe Snake's 2006, and even then that was marred by Snake/Samus. It's in the same position Brawl is in vs. Melee. It's drawing a bunch of favorable time matches, so if it's not outdoing MM/GSC it's dead. Then again, I think Assassin's Creed has legit strength so I'm not as down on MGS4 as others are.


Majora's Mask? I don't see MM beating MGS4. If MM even makes it, it will probably be more due to GSC flopping than MM being super strong.
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Advokaiser | Posted 11/17/2010 9:48:12 AM | message detail
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creativename | Posted 11/17/2010 9:48:47 AM | message detail

From: Advokaiser | #354
Chrono Cross breaks 60%. What's next? Chrono Cross beating Majora's Mask 55/45? This match was supposed to be the most difficult match to predict since TWEWY/DR.


what
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/17/2010 9:48:57 AM | message detail
ZELDAFEAR, cn.
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/17/2010 9:50:01 AM | message detail
Ha, CC does get a night match with Majora's Mask. I figure FFIX and MM are pretty close, so.....well, I'll be very happy if CC ever takes a lead.
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NoDicePwn | Posted 11/17/2010 9:52:27 AM | message detail
oh no guys, you've gotten the red sox hype machine started
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/17/2010 9:53:02 AM | message detail
Time to start the Chrono Cross > FFX hype train choo choo.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/17/2010 9:53:37 AM | message detail
So who's ready for some PW>MKWii

Come on Wii flopping

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695924 | Posted 11/17/2010 9:54:20 AM | message detail
Chrono Cross would stomp all over FFX with the Chrono name alone.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/17/2010 9:54:48 AM | message detail
An 8/9 match behaving. Took long enough.
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NoDicePwn | Posted 11/17/2010 9:54:58 AM | message detail
PW>MKWii is looking more and more possible to me now. Wii flopping everywhere and a night match? Sign me up for that upset.
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Advokaiser | Posted 11/17/2010 9:56:05 AM | message detail
So who's ready for some PW>MKWii

Come on Wii flopping



CHOO CHOO

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TRE Public Account | Posted 11/17/2010 10:11:04 AM | message detail
If GSC underperforms in R1 it would be a superficial one. While MGS4 had trouble against AC1.

It depends how badly GSC underperforms. 49.99% would be a complete and total failure. 90+% would look amazing. Somewhere in between is the border between good and bad. Considering the potential for SFF, I'd say it's actually impossible for GSC to overperform. A 90+% kill would be attributed to SFF and AW being weak although if it gets that high maybe not all of it can be.

Rounds 1 and 2 are pretty meaningless imo. I think the Majora/GSC R3 match decides who hits the semis. I doubt Wind Waker will have much luck stopping either; likewise with MGS in a day match.

Judging a Pokemon entry based on it's round 3 performance? Isn't the least impressive Round 3 performance by a Pokemon entry Missingno. failing to take out Sephiroth? The other choice is Charizard only breaking 60% on L-Block. I know there were good reasons behind Pokemon always looking good in Round 3 (Sprite round, 3-way LFF/SFF, anti-L-Block rally, etc.) but I wonder if something will happen this time as well.
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Kotetsu534 | Posted 11/17/2010 10:17:37 AM | message detail
What a disastrous result... pah! At least it allows me to make FFX look like a beast with some dodgy x-stating.

CC gets 62% on DQVIII.
DQVIII, through God of War in the '05 GOTY polls, is projected to get 23% on Resident Evil 4.
CC is projected to get 28% on Resident Evil 4.
FFX got 77% on Chrono Cross in the GOTD poll.
FFX is projected to get 59% on Resident Evil 4!

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charmander6000 | Posted 11/17/2010 11:01:45 AM | message detail
Are people still forgetting that Wind Waker is still in this division and has just as good of a chance, if not better at beating GSC?
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VaultBoyAlbion | Posted 11/17/2010 11:02:23 AM | message detail
Are people still forgetting that Wind Waker is still in this division and has just as good of a chance, if not better at beating GSC?

first off

MM > WW

second off

WW isn't even making it to GSC
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AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 11/17/2010 11:04:43 AM | message detail
Is the Wii really flopping? Didn't Brawl and Twilight Princess kick ass, while Galaxy did ok?

I'm inclined to believe it comes down to games that people think are bad that are flopping rather than "THE WII EFFECT".

I mean, back in Gamecube days, most people listed it as the weakest console of the generation and a "kiddy console", but that didn't hurt Melee's strength.
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Demon HunterX | Posted 11/17/2010 11:09:06 AM | message detail
how was MGS4's performance bad? I mean Altair has been semi strong since hes been in these contests, and assassins creed is loved by the gamers whose first or second generation of consoles is this current one.

I thought MGS4 did pretty well.
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/17/2010 11:13:20 AM | message detail
first off

MM > WW


You see this is the only place I've ever seen anyone even entertain the idea. I fully believe that this is a stats topic creation done by a few people that liked MM. It's been done before.


Second I really hope you didn't take Oblivion > WW. Then again, one less bracket...
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/17/2010 11:16:29 AM | message detail
how was MGS4's performance bad? I mean Altair has been semi strong since hes been in these contests, and assassins creed is loved by the gamers whose first or second generation of consoles is this current one.

I thought MGS4 did pretty well.


It wasn't bad, but at the same time you can't use the match as evidence for MGS4's strength.
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Demon HunterX | Posted 11/17/2010 11:16:31 AM | message detail
majora's mask wont face wind waker

MM will loose to GSC
Wind Waker beats oblivion and looses to GSC
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ImALolicon | Posted 11/17/2010 11:16:36 AM | message detail
Second I really hope you didn't take Oblivion > WW. Then again, one less bracket...

I would take Fallout 3 > WW without a second thought... and lets be honest, is Oblivion really that far off of Fallout 3? It should be a total toss up, I'm surprised more people aren't giving Oblivion a chance in that match.

You see this is the only place I've ever seen anyone even entertain the idea. I fully believe that this is a stats topic creation done by a few people that liked MM. It's been done before.

Show me proof that WW > MM?
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SuperAngelo128 | Posted 11/17/2010 11:17:47 AM | message detail

From: ImALolicon | #377
Show me proof that WW > MM?


It beat WW beat MM in the very first GameFAqs Top 100 List Contest thing
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Demon HunterX | Posted 11/17/2010 11:17:59 AM | message detail
I would take Fallout 3 > WW without a second thought... and lets be honest, is Oblivion really that far off of Fallout 3? It should be a total toss up, I'm surprised more people aren't giving Oblivion a chance in that match.

fallout 3 is a lot stronger than oblivion. Fallout 3 is loved by everyone. A lot of people (including myself) think oblivion is a horrible version of morrowind..

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ImALolicon | Posted 11/17/2010 11:19:48 AM | message detail
fallout 3 is a lot stronger than oblivion. Fallout 3 is loved by everyone. A lot of people (including myself) think oblivion is a horrible version of morrowind..

You've never met a fan of the original Fallouts have you? I'd say the hate for Fallout 3 is far more significant from then than the Morrowind fanbase, since it was a different company that made the game and completely changed the game from a strategic turn based game that was linear to a first person shooter game that focused on sandbox gameplay.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 11/17/2010 11:20:47 AM | message detail

You've never met a fan of the original Fallouts have you? I'd say the hate for Fallout 3 is far more significant from then than the Morrowind fanbase, since it was a different company that made the game and completely changed the game from a strategic turn based game that was linear to a first person shooter game that focused on sandbox gameplay.


But that hate is coming from the 12 people who cared about the original Fallout games, so it's pretty minor.
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/17/2010 11:22:26 AM | message detail
I would take Fallout 3 > WW without a second thought... and lets be honest, is Oblivion really that far off of Fallout 3? It should be a total toss up, I'm surprised more people aren't giving Oblivion a chance in that match.

Sure the match looks close on paper, but this is one of those matches where common sense kicks in.


Show me proof that WW > MM?

It's more loved among Zelda fans. I know it isn't true proof, but I have yet to meet a group of Zelda fans on GameFAQs outside of this topic that ranks MM above WW. Not saying WW is 100% going to win, but it would be the favourite going in.
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Demon HunterX | Posted 11/17/2010 11:23:28 AM | message detail
You've never met a fan of the original Fallouts have you? I'd say the hate for Fallout 3 is far more significant from then than the Morrowind fanbase, since it was a different company that made the game and completely changed the game from a strategic turn based game that was linear to a first person shooter game that focused on sandbox gameplay.

ahhh but the fans of the original fallouts are

1) 15 years older, and less into gaming these days. The amount of gamers whose first or second generation of consoles is this current one is exponentially higher than the amount of gamers in the mid 90s.

2) also, fallout 1/2 were PC only. Its pretty much universally accepted that other than blizzard and valve games, pc games are pretty damn weak.
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Greyfeld | Posted 11/17/2010 11:28:30 AM | message detail
You've never met a fan of the original Fallouts have you? I'd say the hate for Fallout 3 is far more significant from then than the Morrowind fanbase, since it was a different company that made the game and completely changed the game from a strategic turn based game that was linear to a first person shooter game that focused on sandbox gameplay.

And look at how popular FO3 is compared to the first two installments.

A couple hundred thousand gamers who cry because their series gets changed does not equal "massive hate" for a game. The love for FO3 is pretty universal, despite the handful of nerd ragers who refuse to move on.

So yes, Oblivion <<<<< Fallout 3.

But by all means, please take Oblivion > Wind Waker in your battle picks. That way we can all laugh when you lose a crap ton of points.
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ImALolicon | Posted 11/17/2010 11:29:54 AM | message detail
So yes, Oblivion <<<<< Fallout 3.

But by all means, please take Oblivion > Wind Waker in your battle picks. That way we can all laugh when you lose a crap ton of points.



Oblivion (2009g) VS Fallout 3 (2009g)

Oblivion has a strength of 30.15.
Fallout 3 has a strength of 29.65.

Oblivion wins with 50.83% of the vote!
A win of 2,074 with 125,041 total votes cast.


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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 11/17/2010 11:30:27 AM | message detail
There are people that have played Fallout 1 and Fallout 2?Man that is awesome!Seriously now 95% of the people that started playing Fallout series started with Fallout 3.
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Advokaiser | Posted 11/17/2010 11:30:52 AM | message detail
In the MM/GSC match, MM is going to be the top option, right?

GSC has no chance. At all.

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AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 11/17/2010 11:31:14 AM | message detail
You've never met a fan of the original Fallouts have you?

Nor has anybody else!
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/17/2010 11:36:29 AM | message detail
Oblivion (2009g) VS Fallout 3 (2009g)

Oblivion has a strength of 30.15.
Fallout 3 has a strength of 29.65.

Oblivion wins with 50.83% of the vote!
A win of 2,074 with 125,041 total votes cast.


explain this then


This says more about Fallout 3 being not as great as some people think IMO. The game is super lucky to be in such a weak quarter and that New Vegas has come out. I doubt the game reaches the division final in almost any of the bottom six divisions if you ignore any boost from New Vegas.
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/17/2010 11:39:10 AM | message detail
Though to the actual topic, yeah Oblivion isn't as weak as you'd think without New Vegas I would have taken Oblivion in a match between the two.
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ImALolicon | Posted 11/17/2010 11:41:41 AM | message detail
Based on last years xstats, Fallout 3 and Oblivion would still beat Wind Waker though. I'm not sure how much these xstats were fixed to take account of the SFF that Wind Waker faced, though.
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/17/2010 11:43:25 AM | message detail
They weren't since it had Melee in both match, that's pure SFF'd Wind Waker you're looking at.
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Crossing_Justin | Posted 11/17/2010 11:44:33 AM | message detail

From: ImALolicon | #385
So yes, Oblivion <<<<< Fallout 3.

But by all means, please take Oblivion > Wind Waker in your battle picks. That way we can all laugh when you lose a crap ton of points.



Oblivion (2009g) VS Fallout 3 (2009g)

Oblivion has a strength of 30.15.
Fallout 3 has a strength of 29.65.

Oblivion wins with 50.83% of the vote!
A win of 2,074 with 125,041 total votes cast.


explain this then


yeah because x-stats are soooooooooooo reliable
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Advokaiser | Posted 11/17/2010 11:44:57 AM | message detail
I'd take WW > Oblivion, but I wouldn't be surprised if Oblivion wins. It's still hard for it to happen though...

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Demon HunterX | Posted 11/17/2010 11:46:23 AM | message detail
So yes, Oblivion <<<<< Fallout 3.

But by all means, please take Oblivion > Wind Waker in your battle picks. That way we can all laugh when you lose a crap ton of points.


Oblivion (2009g) VS Fallout 3 (2009g)

Oblivion has a strength of 30.15.
Fallout 3 has a strength of 29.65.

Oblivion wins with 50.83% of the vote!
A win of 2,074 with 125,041 total votes cast.


explain this then


for the last damn time, 4-way contests arent gonna predict **** in 1v1s
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/17/2010 11:47:19 AM | message detail
It's like when someone argued Mega Man > Mario last contest. It could happen and Mega Man showed that he was close to Mario, but deep down you knew Mario was the heavy favourite.
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ImALolicon | Posted 11/17/2010 11:49:00 AM | message detail
It's like when someone argued Mega Man > Mario last contest. It could happen and Mega Man showed that he was close to Mario, but deep down you knew Mario was the heavy favourite.

I do agree WW will be the heavy favorite.. it deserves it based on the Zelda name alone. But do you not think Oblivion does have a small chance at least? I wouldn't say its a lock no matter what
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LOLContests | Posted 11/17/2010 11:56:41 AM | message detail
The stats that Albion posted are flawed since:

A) Oblivion lost in a LFF match in its favor.
B) Fallout 3 lost in a match that could have been LFF against it.

However, I see no reason to assume Oblivion isn't within a decent distance of Fallout 3. It wouldn't beat it, I don't think Fallout 3 is tiers above it or anything.
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LOLContests | Posted 11/17/2010 11:57:26 AM | message detail
Don't see what this has to do with Wind Waker though, as I would take it to beat Fallout 3.
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ImALolicon | Posted 11/17/2010 12:10:16 PM | message detail
I like how Chrono Cross is beating DQ8 in Europe. How does a game that doesn't even come out in a region win a popularity poll in that region?
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