GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 944
creativename | Posted 11/11/2010 12:31:34 PM | message detail |
From: FFI3_Lightning | #245 I think Soul Calibur II might actually do slightly better than people think (depending on what expectations are), although it should still get beat handily. Though I then expect Oblivion to trounce TYD. I picked Oblivion>Wind Waker in my bracket because I thought it was a nice upset pick - absolutely nobody was taking it in the BOP, and I think it can happen. I do think Wind Waker deserves to be the favorite, but I think Oblivion has a legit shot there. Question - the original Paper Mario is supposed to be stronger than TYD, right? Or are they supposed to be pretty much equal? --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 11/11/2010 12:34:12 PM | message detail |
I wanted to say Zack not Jack yeah.Hm...I thought FF 12 would beat Portal easily but now?Man... --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
creativename | Posted 11/11/2010 12:45:23 PM | message detail |
4 million views eh. OK I'm convinced. PVZ to avoid the tripling! ...maybe possibly! Really though, if it avoids a tripling then it can hold its head high. If it breaks 30%, ME needs to hang its head in shame. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
medicority | Posted 11/11/2010 12:47:08 PM | message detail |
I
was kind of surprised SCII only managed a 15 seed. if it does well
against oblivion I would not say that is oblivion being weak. portal vs FF12. I'm thinking portal? |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/11/2010 12:47:55 PM | message detail |
Skies/BG2 is up first, right? Don't really feel like changing my Mass Effect oracle right now. --- Yoblazer: http://i38.tinypic.com/2s024p4.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Greyfeld | Posted 11/11/2010 12:49:37 PM | message detail |
hrm... I just realized, I have TYD beating Oblivion in round two =/ --- PSN - Aevio Playing: Might & Magic: Clash of Heroes |
Blairville | Posted 11/11/2010 12:51:18 PM | message detail |
Skies/BG2 is tonight, ME vs PvZ tomorrow. --- www.thespeedgamers.com Kingdom Hearts marathon December 17th-20th, be there! |
-LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/11/2010 12:55:11 PM | message detail |
FFXII is losing the ASV pretty badly to Crisis Core. Went from 56.90% at the start of this hour down to 56.44% already. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as Dr_Football, Guru Champ! |
red sox 777 | Posted 11/11/2010 1:34:51 PM | message detail |
So,
there was a big debate about Skies of Arcadia/Baldur's Gate 2 that I
only skimmed. What was the consensus opinion? I think fairly highly of
Skies of Arcadia I think, namely because it passes my "have I heard of
it in real life" test, whereas stuff like Tales of Vesperia, Persona,
etc. do not. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
Advokaiser | Posted 11/11/2010 1:59:26 PM | message detail |
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/11/2010 2:03:30 PM | message detail |
Gold/Silver/Crystal??? I would take Uncharted 2 and Arkham Asylum to beat GSC. I assume you weren't here last contest? --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 37/44 Today's Matches: Portal & FFXII |
Greyfeld | Posted 11/11/2010 2:05:06 PM | message detail |
So,
there was a big debate about Skies of Arcadia/Baldur's Gate 2 that I
only skimmed. What was the consensus opinion? I think fairly highly of
Skies of Arcadia I think, namely because it passes my "have I heard of
it in real life" test, whereas stuff like Tales of Vesperia, Persona,
etc. do not. SoA is the favorite, though many believe BG2 has a moderate chance for an upset. --- PSN - Aevio Playing: Might & Magic: Clash of Heroes |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/11/2010 2:08:48 PM | message detail |
Man, FF12. Keep falling, you're making Portal looking great! --- DFF |
-LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/11/2010 2:09:15 PM | message detail |
Crisis Core is making a killing with the ASV, but still no cuts yet. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as Dr_Football, Guru Champ! |
HaRRicH | Posted 11/11/2010 3:29:44 PM | message detail |
Mass
Effect's expectations are absurd. How much did Half-Life 2 help HL1
again? Would you take Uncharted 2, Diablo 2, or Mega Man 2 (ignoring
MM's other games) to do wonders for their original titles? One may have
a case with SSBM helping SSB, but we haven't seen SSB yet and SSBM's a
favorite to win this contest (not to mention SSBB is too, so SSB's rise
in brand-name power should be far more significant). Fact of the matter is that ME's been a weak game here. It was unimpressive in 2007's GotY, Shepard was weak in 2008's CB, ME was weak again in BGE2, and ME2 can only do so much to help its older brother in this contest. I know ME2 interacts with ME1 in a way you don't see in many games and ME will probably improve over time as ME2 and likely ME3 continue impacting the gaming scene...but this is not its time. We've seen it lose hard to Halo 3 two different ways, and Portal beat Halo 3 before possibly hulking up in this contest. Consider it a big success if it outdoes the loser of Portal/FF12, and I'm not convinced it beats CC:FF7. --- What do Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, and Twilight Princess have in common? EPONA! http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg |
Big Bob | Posted 11/11/2010 3:30:44 PM | message detail |
GSC's gonna be the most overrated game by this board, just you watch. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/Mach+Tornado.png |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/11/2010 3:31:46 PM | message detail |
Harrich,
did you see the jump Shepard got from Mass Effect 2 after his pathetic
performance beforehand? If so, you should know the expectations are in
no where absurd. --- http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/11/500x_vegasdude.jpg |
TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 11/11/2010 3:34:21 PM | message detail |
From: NoDicePwn | #266 We have no evidence that sequels help the original game. --- "You brought your *****, to the waffle hut?" |
HaRRicH | Posted 11/11/2010 3:34:59 PM | message detail |
Yeah,
and that's because ME2 trounces ME1. Again, why does ME2 make ME1 a
threat when HL2, Uncharted 2, Diablo 2, or Mega Man 2 can't do much for
their original games? Or FO3 help out its first two games? Or GTA's
3D-games help out its 2D-games? --- Where's your horse? http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg |
Advokaiser | Posted 11/11/2010 3:36:17 PM | message detail |
GSC's gonna be the most overrated game by this board, just you watch. Can't wait to see MM beating it. Actually I would take Oblivion to beat it. --- "I remember a time when someone called World of Warcraft 'World of WoW'" |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/11/2010 3:37:45 PM | message detail |
We have no evidence that sequels help the original game. This is one of those "Common sense" Things. Would people think that Empire Strikes back didn't make more people go back and watch A New Hope to get into the story? Its the exact same thing. Star Wars trilogy didn't become massive until Empire Strikes back came out. --- http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/11/500x_vegasdude.jpg |
TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 11/11/2010 3:40:05 PM | message detail |
From: NoDicePwn | #270 ........... --- "You brought your *****, to the waffle hut?" |
creativename | Posted 11/11/2010 3:49:25 PM | message detail |
From: NoDicePwn | #271 Serious question: Albion, do you *ever* know what you're talking about? :o| --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 11/11/2010 3:49:54 PM | message detail |
I
saw some info on the movies and it seems that from the original 3
movies,most people saw the 1st,then the 2nd then the 3rd.So a lot of
people liked the 1st one,but less went to see the 2nd and even less
went to see the 3rd. --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
HaRRicH | Posted 11/11/2010 3:50:19 PM | message detail |
*pulls string* The Wiki says: The first film in the [Star Wars] franchise was originally released on May 25, 1977, by 20th Century Fox, and became a worldwide pop culture phenomenon ME1, it was not. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg So what if she's a horse? She's got your back anyway. |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/11/2010 3:50:26 PM | message detail |
Serious question: Albion, do you *ever* know what you're talking about? :o| Thats my "gimmick" --- http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/11/500x_vegasdude.jpg |
Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 11/11/2010 3:55:19 PM | message detail |
A
popular sequel might help the original game from people who started
with the sequel going back and playing the older games. That doesn't
necessarily mean the original game will get a significant boost in
strength. It could result in a negligibly small boost. --- "Let me believe what you've always believed! That living is wonderful!" "Thank you so much... Thank you for loving me." |
creativename | Posted 11/11/2010 3:56:14 PM | message detail |
From: HaRRicH | #269 I agree that ME2 should be significantly stronger than ME1, but how would we possibly know if Diablo 2, Mega Man 2 etc. helped their original games in a GameFAQs contest poll context? And they might help somewhat. If Metal Gear Solid never existed, the original Metal Gear would have been forgotten and never even made the bracket in 2004. Now whether ME2 will help ME1 is a different question. But I do think the franchise is more visible and known these days than when the first game originally came out. So it's possible that ME2 helped. Franchises can definitely shift in strength over time, e.g. the GTA games and (over a larger time scale) the Pokemon games. You may be right though and ME1 might be the same animal we've seen before. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/11/2010 3:59:38 PM | message detail |
From: NoDicePwn | #271 http://www.animea.net/images/db/987/056knuckles.jpg --- Yoblazer: http://i38.tinypic.com/2s024p4.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/11/2010 3:59:51 PM | message detail |
In
all seriousness though, I would be absolutely shocked if Mass Effect is
as weak as it was before. Being in the same poll with the biggest wrpg
on the site for one doesn't help it, plus the release of ME2 should
make it look significantly better. I think it would have easily of
beaten L4D if Fallout 3 wasn't in that same poll. When it comes to
WRPGs, Fallout 3 is the king, so it should surprise no one that it
would take away votes from an inferior WRPG --- http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/11/500x_vegasdude.jpg |
creativename | Posted 11/11/2010 4:02:56 PM | message detail |
Oh,
and if you take things to the extreme, imagine if hypothetically no
sequels ever existed for the Zelda, SMB, and Final Fantasy games. How
strong would LoZ, SMB1 and FF1 be compared to how strong they are now?
Clearly there would probably be a huge difference in strength. Not that I expect anything like that for ME2 of course. But as TRE just said, there could be a small boost. And as more sequels come out they may incrementally boost a game, if the sequels are actually popular and respected. And also importantly keep its strength from fading over time - the Gears franchise for instance seems to have faded a lot. If Gears 2 had been as popular as ME2, Gears 1 would probably still be somewhat relevant. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
charmander6000 | Posted 11/11/2010 4:03:41 PM | message detail |
Yeah
Mass Effect does have reason to boost given its opponents last contest.
Still I don't see it getting much strength due to ME2 besides the I
don't know either game, but I played ME2 vote. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 37/44 Today's Matches: Portal & FFXII |
creativename | Posted 11/11/2010 4:05:53 PM | message detail |
From: NoDicePwn | #280 Oh yes, I forgot that it was in a poll with Fallout. Quite possible that its underrated. Not sure how much the playership of those games overlaps. For the people who've played ME1, does the fanbase overlap substantially with Fallout 3? --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
HaRRicH | Posted 11/11/2010 4:13:42 PM | message detail |
I'm
absolutely not against ME1 looking better than it has in the past;
this'll be its first one-on-one opportunity and ME2's exposure should
help. I just can't believe ME1's supposed to be a threat if HL2 hardly
did anything for HL1. The other examples I brought up were mostly
hypothetical and can't be proven (though I think we generally
agree on those examples anyway), but the HL2/HL1-comparison holds.
Also, for what it's worth, how close do you think GTA1/2 indirectly get
to GTA3/VC/SA/4? http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1831 We also still don't know where ME2 even is here; all we know is that it was originally less anticipated here than GSC before their releases and Shepard boosted a lot. Speaking of characters who have risen a lot, hello Gordon Freeman...how's HL1 doing here again? Just saying, sequels are often good for their series and characters...but hardly proven for other games in their series. --- This sig-space should be replaced by any number of GameFOX-sigs I made to support Epona from LoZ:OoT to make the next Character Battle. |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/11/2010 4:15:30 PM | message detail |
Harrich,
after seeing Dragon Ages match, would you take it over Mass Effect?
Because being a big WRPG fan and someone who spends lots of time on
Bioware community sites and other WRPG places and the like, I would
never ever even consider Dragon Age over Mass Effect. --- http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/11/500x_vegasdude.jpg |
HaRRicH | Posted 11/11/2010 4:17:45 PM | message detail |
Probably
would, yeah -- this isn't other WRPG-places. I'd like to see more of
2009's games in action though, because its games have been a mixed bag
and F-Zero GX isn't a good measuring stick. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Epona: C^ C< C>, C^ C< C> |
HaRRicH | Posted 11/11/2010 4:19:40 PM | message detail |
Also,
you keep ignoring the HL2/HL1 point and the Shepard/Gordon comparison
that fits along with it. Why is ME2/ME1 different aside from genre? --- <3 Epona. Heart Epona. |
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 11/11/2010 4:22:41 PM | message detail |
I'm
not exactly a huge fan of comparing saying that Mass Effect was SFFd by
Fallout 3, but they are the same genre on the same platforms so it's
certainly possible. The thing is that ME is more story oriented than FO3 and less open...then again I probably have no clue what I'm talking about! --- Currently Playing: StarCraft, Zelda: Ocarina of Time |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/11/2010 4:23:58 PM | message detail |
About
HL2, HL, Half Life 1 was always PC (unless you count the horrible PS2
prot by a different developer that had bugs and frame rate issues),
while Half Life 2 has been introduced to the console audience, which is
a huge deal on a site like Gamefaqs. A good example for my case though is Morrowind. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1132 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1131 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1129 Back in the day, Morrowind was weak sauce. But getting Oblivion to come out and allow a wider range of people to play it has really improved it over the years, to the point where it outdid Vice City on SH2, and beat Warcraft 3 after being tripled in the GOTY poll. --- http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/11/500x_vegasdude.jpg |
Eeeevil Overlord | Posted 11/11/2010 4:27:13 PM | message detail |
For
me, my expectation for Mass Effect putting on a good show in its first
round match is solely based on expecting Plants Vs Zombies to be
exceptionally weak. Not sure why Mass Effect's strength matters all
that much to be honest! --- James - Board 8's Resident Warm And Safe, Slipper-Wearing User & The Cream of Porcupine Tree Fanboyism |
charmander6000 | Posted 11/11/2010 4:35:33 PM | message detail |
Because there's only so weak PvZ can be. It didn't exactly bomb the vote-in. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 37/44 Today's Matches: Portal & FFXII |
Advokaiser | Posted 11/11/2010 4:37:15 PM | message detail |
Oh,
yeah! I had completely forgotten about Morrowind/Oblivion. One of the
reasons I picked Morrowind in my bracket was because of the Oblivion
factor. However, I'm suprised about Mass Effect not being that strong,
because at first glance you look at ME1 and then you look at ME2 and
you would probably think ME2 is just a little more powerful than ME1,
while the gap is actually quite big. Even though, I don't think ME2 will help ME1 nearly as much as Oblivion helped Morrowind, as I do NOT think Fallout 3 will be able to do anything to help Fallout 1 and 2. --- "I remember a time when someone called World of Warcraft 'World of WoW'" |
Greyfeld | Posted 11/11/2010 4:40:32 PM | message detail |
Also,
to those who aren't sure about the amount of boost ME2 could have given
ME, the fact is the two games are tied to each other, so the chances of
people going back to play the first ME are pretty good (similar to how
the first Assassin's Creed is tied directly to AC2, and the release of
the sequel boosted the original moderately). --- PSN - Aevio Playing: Might & Magic: Clash of Heroes |
charmander6000 | Posted 11/11/2010 4:46:29 PM | message detail |
The thing is we don't really know how strong AC was before ACII. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 37/44 Today's Matches: Portal & FFXII |
Greyfeld | Posted 11/11/2010 4:49:22 PM | message detail |
Even
if we don't know the actual x-stats for it, you can infer the rise of
strength from the change in reception once AC2 was released. There's
been a huge change in how AC is viewed since AC2 came out. --- PSN - Aevio Playing: Might & Magic: Clash of Heroes |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/11/2010 4:54:50 PM | message detail |
ME2 will boost ME1 simply because of the carry-over thing. People who are interested in ME2 almost always play ME1 first, --- DFF |
charmander6000 | Posted 11/11/2010 4:58:27 PM | message detail |
I'm calling bs on that, sure it encourages people to try the first, but not almost always. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 37/44 Today's Matches: Portal & FFXII |
HaRRicH | Posted 11/11/2010 4:59:06 PM | message detail |
I
don't think we've seen enough significant and clearly fishy cases of
WRPG-SFF/LFF to take the idea particularly seriously, but I'd give up
the point anyway given we've still not seen much from ME1 or its series
do well in anything else. 40.71% on Halo 3 in 2007's Xbox-GotY still
isn't great, and -- while the ME-series won EA's series-poll --
doubling the Sims in it isn't impressive if ME2 is a contender for this
year's GotY and Sims took third to Gears 2 and Soul Calibur 2. From: NoDicePwn | #289 Fair case about Morrowind after Oblivion, but: 1) HL1 was far better received and should be looked back on by new HL2-fans more than Morrowind should by new Oblivion-fans. If HL1 can't improve much, Morrowind probably can't either. 2) I also wouldn't put much into Warcraft 3 being constant with its 2002-self. Blizzard left that Warcraft-direction behind, Starcraft 2's the only relevant RTS-game to come out since WC3 (which was never on Starcraft's level to begin with), and it's not like it got a better name when it's related to WoW and Blizzard's fall since Activision to some degree... 3) ...and even if Starcraft 2 somehow boosted WC3 this contest by being a huge Blizzard-made RTS, WC3 still lost to Morrowind and should have looked even weaker. WC3's changed, too; it usually takes two to tango with a turn-around like that. --- What do Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, and Twilight Princess have in common? EPONA! http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg |
HaRRicH | Posted 11/11/2010 5:11:50 PM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #296 Considering how big ME2 was compared to ME1, I don't believe that. Even if their sales/reception/marketing/gameplay were closer, I don't think we have (m)any other examples of sequels helping the previous game much. The carry-over aspect is the best point, but I don't think that idea's been tested yet and there is still a world of difference between ME2 and ME1. --- Nominate EPONA...or the terrorists win. http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg |
VaultBoyAlbion | Posted 11/11/2010 5:17:02 PM | message detail |
Well,
Mass Effect 1 did outsell Mass Effect 2 (I'm not sure how much of those
sales for ME1 came from after ME2 came out thought). Mass Effect 1 sold 2.31 million, Mass Effect 2 sold 2.15. These are vgchartz numbers, but its a big enough gap I think we can safely say ME1 did sell better. --- Epona > Any Western Character http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/11/500x_vegasdude.jpg |
