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transience | Posted 11/9/2010 4:02:56 PM | message detail
that's because people that disliked KH1 didn't bother with KH2.
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creativename | Posted 11/9/2010 4:03:25 PM | message detail
There is no "Xbox hierarchy" where Halo 3 has an edge just because it's on the 360. I believe this is a very shaky argument. There is a Halo game hierarchy and Halo>Halo 3.

IMO Halo 3>Halo 1 debate is just typical stats topic overanalysis. I've never given this match a second thought.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/9/2010 4:05:08 PM | message detail
Where did you pull this hierarchy from?

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Big Bob | Posted 11/9/2010 4:05:24 PM | message detail
I never gave Halo 3 > Halo 1 a second thought!
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/9/2010 4:07:01 PM | message detail
I thought Halo 1 > Halo 3 was pretty obvious, but then I don't know the Halo fanbase too well. I will pontificate however that Ganondorf > Zelda on the LoZ hierarchy, at least for players who started after OOT, which is the group that will decide the match.
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transience | Posted 11/9/2010 4:07:38 PM | message detail
Halo 3 over 1 seems like suicide to me. this isn't a 360 vs. Xbox thing because Halo transcends the Xbox. it's not like Halo has a poor playrate.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/9/2010 4:08:22 PM | message detail
Was there anything in the 2009 contest that indicated Halo: CE was clearly indirectly stronger than 3? It got more than doubled by Melee despite Zelda in the poll, and then it went ahead and lost to that same Zelda in that same poll. It was also in danger of almost losing out in Round 1. I think the original Halo support is due largely to people assuming it'll win due to respect factor, starting the series, and helping to significantly influence console gaming - not because of any results that clearly indicate 1>3.
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transience | Posted 11/9/2010 4:09:34 PM | message detail
Halo 3 could have better results and I'd still take 1. it's just a much bigger game.

it's like taking Modern Warfare 2 > COD4. MW2 sold better and gets more players but the core fans just prefer the original.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/9/2010 4:09:35 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #057
Was there anything in the 2009 contest that indicated Halo: CE was clearly indirectly stronger than 3?


Diablo II/KOTOR
Portal/BioShock

Which pair is stronger (or was in early 2009 anyway)?
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/9/2010 4:11:14 PM | message detail
I was under the impression people simply liked Halo 1 more as a game- i.e. most players of both think it is a better game. Halo 3 was hyped a huge amount (so much so that Master Chief got within 2% of Solid Snake even on a site that despises Halo, Gamefaqs) but it faded very quickly, because it did not live up to its hype- which was generated by the earlier Halo games.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 11/9/2010 4:13:50 PM | message detail
Diablo 2 > Bioshock > KOTOR > Portal
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 11/9/2010 4:19:45 PM | message detail
From my recollection the x-stats have Diablo II > Portal > KotOR > BioShock.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/9/2010 4:20:03 PM | message detail
I think the general feeling among the fanbase is that Halo 1 had the best campaign mode; that alone could easily be enough on GameFAQs.

And why not bring up Halo 3 averaging about 42% on Fallout 3? I'm not sure if Halo: CE can outdo that by anything significant.
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HaRRicH | Posted 11/9/2010 4:41:09 PM | message detail
I hate the constant idea of there being a system-hierarchy in favor of Halo when we've seen SW:KotOR nearly beat the original and Hayabusa upset MC. Hated it for awhile!


If you really want to bring up the hierarchy again though, let me throw this out there: systems aside, Halo is nothing to the 360 compared to what it meant to the Xbox. Halo started a revolution as a launch-game and Halo 2 paved the road to play online for mainstream-gamers on consoles, plus there was little else for fans of the console to clamor to if they didn't like Halo. It was the premier FPS-series for six years because of those two games, mainly the original, and that series was THE reason to be hyped about the 460 for a long time...

...meanwhile, Halo 3 -- while huge -- could have still lost to several FPSs on GameFAQs just from 2007 (CoD4, Orange Box [Portal, plus boosting HL2 significantly if you want to count that], Bioshock). CoD has over-shadowed Halo by large amounts every year since 2007 AND helped fill the FPS-gap on the 360 until Halo 3 finally came. I don't think Reach is expected to beat Black Ops in many places, and ODST/Wars combined would have still lost to multiple FPSs last year (MW2, Borderlands, even L4D2). Halo is now a distant second place in the FPS-genre and the 360 has a significantly stronger library, so it's not as easy for Halo to shine now or again, especially without Bungie anymore.

360 > Xbox, sure...but there's not going to be a system hierarchy here. Super Metroid/Metroid Prime would be a good match and perhaps people would favor SM, but it shouldn't be because the SNES kills the Gamecube. Same thing applies here. Save the system-based jibba-jabba for a system-contest.
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frisqo | Posted 11/9/2010 4:42:11 PM | message detail
Dead Rising just very recently had a sequel come out is how i decided my bracket and and battle picks
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 11/9/2010 4:45:48 PM | message detail

From: HaRRicH | #063
THE reason to be hyped about the 460


well then
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HaRRicH | Posted 11/9/2010 4:57:00 PM | message detail
460's 1.2777~ times better than the 360.
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Achromatic | Posted 11/9/2010 5:11:04 PM | message detail
I believe the only testicle Alec has ever lost was to me.

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Haste_2 | Posted 11/9/2010 5:13:15 PM | message detail
I don't think KH2 beating KH1 would give Brawl any greater chance against Melee. I put KH2 and Brawl in my bracket because, not only are they newer, but at the time of their release almost everyone thought KH2 and Brawl were better than their predecessors (even IF it's not so much the opinion anymore). But I could easily get both wrong....

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shane15 | Posted 11/9/2010 5:23:15 PM | message detail
After looking at the FF12-CC pic i think i'm confident in a FF12 win.
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LOLContests | Posted 11/9/2010 5:48:16 PM | message detail
Man, if this is due to anti-votes, Dead Space, and Ruby/Sapphire look a lot worse (and SMS too I guess)
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Billy Blaze | Posted 11/9/2010 5:51:09 PM | message detail
I made it easy on myself: I picked all the most recent games, for no other reason that they are most recent. MGS4>3>2, KH2>KH, Brawl>Melee, FFX>FFIX.

Oh wait, I went Majora's Mask > Wind Waker. But I guess Pokemon GSC is winning anyways so whoops.

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pjbasis | Posted 11/9/2010 5:53:37 PM | message detail
So I guess your logic is "pick the most recent game unless you actually know it'll lose."

KH > KHII any day.
Pondos | Posted 11/9/2010 5:59:17 PM | message detail
I wouldn't be surprised at all if any of the top 4 seeds won the Northwest Division.
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AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 11/9/2010 6:34:12 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #045
Darn it, Alec, look what you've started.


Hey, I've yet to see anybody else sack up OR shut up, so my motto does not seem to be working here!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/9/2010 7:53:41 PM | message detail
I wonder who wins the board vote. Probably Dead Rising after seeing what Civ IV did.

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charmander6000 | Posted 11/9/2010 8:08:37 PM | message detail
Match XLIII: (5) The World Ends With You vs. (12) Dead Rising

Information

Name: The World Ends With You
Year: 2008
Previous Performance: N/A

Name: Dead Rising
Year: 2006
Previous Performance: N/A

Analysis

This is quite easily the weakest four-pack of the contest. One of these four fodder games will not only win once, but twice. While this match is a toss-up I was quite surprised to find out that Dead Rising was the favourite to win. For these types of matches the board goes with the game that they like most. I initially thought people knew something about Dead Rising that I didn’t, but then I saw that most people were taking Persona 4 over it so now I’m not sure what to think.

In an attempt to show that TWEWY is weak some people keep bringing up the fact that Neku lost to Laharl in the previous contest. While that’s true and given what Laharl did to Sora in the following round I wouldn’t be surprised if Frank West lost by just as much. Though if you want to bring characters and games up just take a look at how action games perform compare to their main character. Of course I wouldn’t be surprised if this was an exception since Frank West doesn’t look as cool as the average action hero and the game is truly more about killing zombies than anything else.

GotY polls don’t really tell us much either. TWEWY may have looked decent in the DS poll, but it probably benefitted from Square LFF as it was quite crushed by LittleBigPlanet. Dead Rising wasn’t any better getting crushed by Gears of War and a 360 version of Oblivion. Dead Rising does have the advantage of Dead Rising 2 coming out about two months ago, but it does seem that game came and went on GameFAQs.

In the previous contest I was a big supporter that TWEWY would have won over Persona 4, too bad SBAllen used the Add/Remove gimmick to add in his own game that he liked so we never got to see that match-up. Personally I find it weird that people are taking Dead Rising in this match, but not next round. It’s not like Persona 4 is bringing anything more to the table than TWEWY has.

charmander6000’s Bracket: The World Ends With You > Dead Rising

charmander6000’s Prediction: The World Ends With You wins, 52.46% - 47.54%

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Greyfeld | Posted 11/9/2010 8:27:53 PM | message detail
to be fair, i would easily take P4 over TWEWY, because of the PS2 vs Handheld factor.

But that doesn't really say anything about this match, specifically, because I would take P4 to smash Dead Rising into the floor too.
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/9/2010 8:28:52 PM | message detail

From: Greyfeld | #077
to be fair, i would easily take P4 over TWEWY, because of the PS2 vs Handheld factor.

But that doesn't really say anything about this match, specifically, because I would take P4 to smash Dead Rising into the floor too.


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3164

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ZFS | Posted 11/9/2010 8:30:00 PM | message detail
I hope that poll isn't meant to prove anything.

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charmander6000 | Posted 11/9/2010 8:30:40 PM | message detail
We all know what rereleases do for a game

>_>
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/9/2010 8:31:21 PM | message detail
Considering he said he would take P4 to 'smash' TWEWY, I think it's relevant. Unless he takes P4 to smash P3 too.

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Greyfeld | Posted 11/9/2010 8:40:31 PM | message detail
Considering he said he would take P4 to 'smash' TWEWY, I think it's relevant. Unless he takes P4 to smash P3 too.

I would. Easily. Many polls have shown P4 to have strength that P3 has never exhibited.
charmander6000 | Posted 11/9/2010 8:41:22 PM | message detail
Hey guys Half-Life 2 and San Andreas are weak while No More Heroes is going to beat Okami!!!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2249
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2246
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3355
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/9/2010 8:42:41 PM | message detail
Yeah, try that again when you have any clue about the games you're trying to make a comparisan of. FES is worth way more than P3.

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ZFS | Posted 11/9/2010 8:42:46 PM | message detail
One day, some day, these multi-polls will stop being linked to...maybe, hopefully... please!

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NoDicePwn | Posted 11/9/2010 8:43:18 PM | message detail
For a match of two games I've never played, I want TWEWY to win solely so we can have two super niche jrpgs in round 2 facing eachother, since that was something I never thought would ever happen in a game contest
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/9/2010 8:43:34 PM | message detail
One day, you'll learn that linking to past poll results and knowing to take them with a grain of salt is better than pulling strength out of thin air!

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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 11/9/2010 8:44:20 PM | message detail

From: ZFS | #084
One day, some day, these multi-polls will stop being linked to...maybe, hopefully... please!


Since you're on top of the battle bracket board, I'm inclined to believe you.
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Greyfeld | Posted 11/9/2010 8:44:57 PM | message detail
Yeah, try that again when you have any clue about the games you're trying to make a comparisan of. FES is worth way more than P3.

one of these days, I'll learn to stop taking your posts seriously
ZFS | Posted 11/9/2010 8:45:00 PM | message detail
Sometimes it's best to use some thought and actual knowledge of both games instead of whatever some irrelevant poll tells you. Yes, a poll where Persona 3 FES and TWEWY got a grand total of 7% is absolutely irrelevant! You gotta stop doing it!

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charmander6000 | Posted 11/9/2010 8:45:26 PM | message detail
Yeah, try that again when you have any clue about the games you're trying to make a comparisan of. FES is worth way more than P3.

And you seem to not understand that voters don't really care about rereleases/ports when it comes to GotY.


Here's Resident Evil 4 while you're at it.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2988
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ZFS | Posted 11/9/2010 8:45:56 PM | message detail
Excuse me, 8%. Watch out, you pit these two games together with no other games around and it might actually hold up!

But not really.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/9/2010 8:46:04 PM | message detail
Yeah, and TWEWY basically has every advantage over Persona 3/4 it could possibly have going into that match.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/9/2010 8:47:15 PM | message detail
Persona 3 has 550 user ratings. FES has 1607. User ratings aren't person but that just might imply that P3 didn't really take off here until FES was released.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/9/2010 8:47:28 PM | message detail
*aren't perfect

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XxSoulxX | Posted 11/9/2010 8:47:38 PM | message detail
One day, some day, these multi-polls will stop being linked to...maybe, hopefully... please!

Good luck with that stance. A lot of times, common sense is just ignored in favor of these random 13 game polls.
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Greyfeld | Posted 11/9/2010 8:48:47 PM | message detail
ZFS, who do you have for this match?
charmander6000 | Posted 11/9/2010 8:48:58 PM | message detail
Again that doesn't matter when it comes to GotY. RE4 Wii smokes the Gamecube and PS2 versions, yet it flops to SMG.
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HaRRicH | Posted 11/9/2010 8:49:19 PM | message detail

From: NoDicePwn | #087
For a match of two games I've never played, I want TWEWY to win solely so we can have two super niche jrpgs in round 2 facing eachother, since that was something I never thought would ever happen in a game contest


You know what would be way better than two super-niche JRPGs facing off in R2? Watching a downloadable game beat two super-niche JRPGs on its way to R3.
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