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red sox 777 | Posted 11/8/2010 3:34:34 PM | message detail
I've always found it kind of strange that Melee has a better ASV than Brawl despite being the older game. The best explanation I can think of is that Melee is fueled primarily by Gamecube fans, who stuck by Nintendo in bad times and are primarily younger, while Brawl draws more from the non-Nintendo fanbase, which trends older.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 11/8/2010 3:37:40 PM | message detail
Extra Additions:

High Tier: A newer Bethesda game (e.g. Morrowind, Oblivion, Fallout 3)
Mid Tier: A newer BioWare game (e.g. KotOR, Mass Effect)
Low Tier: A Blizzard game (e.g. StarCraft, Diablo II, World of Warcraft)
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 11/8/2010 3:41:36 PM | message detail
Hmm, I missed a lot here. I saw someone say they were thinking of banking on FFXII/Zack.

WHY?

Did you miss MW2/Dissidia?

FFXII wins without much issue, seriously.
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pjbasis | Posted 11/8/2010 3:44:18 PM | message detail
I missed MW2/Dissidia.

But even I knew FFXII would kill.
-LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/8/2010 4:09:30 PM | message detail
Mid Tier: A newer BioWare game (e.g. KotOR, Mass Effect)

KOTOR's ASV is better than you make it seem like. KOTOR's trends are just like those of Halo, with the exception of the board vote. KOTOR got a good board vote in its match a few days ago, while Halo sucks with it. After the board vote, KOTOR and Halo have identical trends.
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AxemPink | Posted 11/8/2010 4:15:16 PM | message detail
So a topic or two ago people were arguing about whether Cloud was stronger than Sephiroth in 2002. If Sephiroth actually was stronger in 2002, then does this mean Mega Man would have been stronger than Cloud? After all, if Sephiroth was the #2 guy that year and Mega Man managed 49.5% against him and only lost by a thousand votes, then Cloud has almost no room to be weaker than Sephiroth and still be stronger than Mega Man. And regardless Mega Man would pretty clearly be stronger, indirectly at least, than Mario. A little odd, but I guess plausible. In 2003, Mega Man did hold up slightly better against Sephiroth than Mario did.

But if Cloud is 48% or worse on Sephiroth, then Cloud vs. Samus, or by extension Cloud vs. Sonic, would be projected to be a very close match. I find it extremely strange that pre-Metroid Prime/Fusion Samus would be indirectly stronger than Mario, although I guess it's already really strange that she beat Sonic and got 47.5% on Sephiroth in the first place.

So setting Sephiroth as really stronger than Cloud in 2002 seems to me like it causes a lot of problems. If it's accurate regardless, it's safe to say Mario beating Cloud wasn't the only bizarre thing that happened there. Maybe it was because it was the first contest or whatever, but lol2002.
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/8/2010 4:21:19 PM | message detail
Well, we saw Sephiroth/Mega Man go from a 50/50 match to a 60/40 match in the span of a year, so yeah, 2002 was a weird year.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=995
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1366

There were 26835 more votes cast in the rematch. Guess how many of them Mega Man got?

28.

Less than 1 percent.

So maybe Mario getting 75% of these extra votes isn't so out there after all!
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/8/2010 4:23:36 PM | message detail
Cloud/Seph were very close back in the olden days. They faced off in the 2003 finals and Seph broke 48%, a feat he'd never achieve today. Of course, some argue that Seph overperformed because Link fans anti-voted Cloud, but I'm not sure about that. Either way, they were much closer to rivals in 2002-2003, whereas Seph simply occupies his rung on the SFF ladder these days.
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/8/2010 4:28:41 PM | message detail
I wonder what's the percentage of people who would actually want to revenge vote, and what's the percentage of people who would vote for the character that beat their favorite, to avoid having more characters "beat" their favorite.
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Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest.
Greyfeld | Posted 11/8/2010 6:16:48 PM | message detail
Why does anybody care about character power levels from 8 years ago?
charmander6000 | Posted 11/8/2010 6:26:24 PM | message detail
Why does anyone care about history?
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Greyfeld | Posted 11/8/2010 6:47:06 PM | message detail
I don't know, I never figured that one out. I always thought history was boring as hell.
charmander6000 | Posted 11/8/2010 6:56:46 PM | message detail
One theory is that it gives something for people to argue about.
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Greyfeld | Posted 11/8/2010 7:00:07 PM | message detail
lol i would believe that.
Draco1214 | Posted 11/8/2010 7:07:23 PM | message detail
Assassin's Creed belongs in the top tier of day votes...Ezio did a number on Zelda with it, if I remember.
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/8/2010 7:51:42 PM | message detail
Match XLI: (1) Resident Evil 4 vs. (16) Jet Grind Radio

Information

Name: Resident Evil 4
Year: 2005
Previous Performance: SpC2k9 – 4th in round 4

Name: Jet Grind Radio
Year: 2000
Previous Performance: N/A

Analysis

This division has a lot of debatable matches in it including two debatable four-packs; sadly this one isn’t one of them. I thought Jet Grind Radio was the only Dreamcast game without a rerelease in the contest, but after checking it apparently came out on the Gameboy Advance, it’s just that almost no one played it or even talked about it. Resident Evil 4 has its eyes set for the quarter-finals and while it is unlikely that it’ll win that match it should have no problem getting there.

We all know that even the top tier Dreamcast games are all weak so imagine a game that is clearly below all of them. There only have been two polls about Jet Grind Radio in the past, the first was which Dreamcast game do you want to see on the 360/PS3 and while the game is clearly above random junk it did lose handily to the more popular games. The other poll was the vote-in where is barely made it in the contest winning over SFF Nintendo games and random RPGs.

As one of the strongest games in the bracket Resident Evil 4 should be pulling for 80% here. Twilight Princess was almost able to break 80% on Shenmue so it isn’t exactly a stretch to believe that Resident Evil 4 can pull off the same performance. Some people are expecting that this will be the blowout of the contest, but I don’t think Resident Evil 4 has the power to win by more than Melee did.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Resident Evil 4 > Jet Grind Radio

charmander6000’s Prediction: Resident Evil 4 wins, 82.37% - 17.63%

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ExThaNemesis | Posted 11/8/2010 8:19:10 PM | message detail

From: Greyfeld | #260
Why does anybody care about character power levels from 8 years ago?


Because Sephiroth is my favorite character, and him being the number two character on the site for a year makes me happy.
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LOLContests | Posted 11/8/2010 8:41:36 PM | message detail
People hated Sephiroth back in 2002, almost as much as they do now, and I still stand by that WDF was Mega Man and Samus getting anti-votes against him. I think he was probably Number 2 (Cloud barely beat him after having the benefit of a larger role in KH), but that's the only explanation for WDF that made sense to me. I know some people think that he overperformed against Link, but I've never seen an explanation as to why other than that people thought Link was too dominant, which seems silly to me, as all he'd done up to that point in the contest was blow out some characters no one thought too much of anyway. He was the big favorite to win by the time the match with Sephy rolled around, but Sephy was hated on the board at the time, and I never saw any movement on the board to support him in that match. No one really cared that Link was winning, and it's not like we knew how close the match was going to be anyway.
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Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 11/8/2010 8:47:05 PM | message detail
but Sephy was hated on the board at the time, and I never saw any movement on the board to support him in that match.

Sephiroth defintely had a large support group on the board back then. They were the group opposing the "Hylian Knights" that supported Link. I'm not sure if Cloud had a large support group on the board as well or not.
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Greyfeld | Posted 11/8/2010 8:47:33 PM | message detail
I'm happy when blowout matches are during the night, so I can sleep through most of them :)
Haste_2 | Posted 11/8/2010 8:49:13 PM | message detail
In the past I thought way too hard on what went on in 2002 trying to decide which matches were flukes. I have my opinion right now, but there's just no overwhelming evidence for any theory.

Question for you guys: How well do you think Crisis Core would have done if it was in Dissidia's place against MW2?

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ExThaNemesis | Posted 11/8/2010 8:52:22 PM | message detail

From: Haste_2 | #271
In the past I thought way too hard on what went on in 2002 trying to decide which matches were flukes. I have my opinion right now, but there's just no overwhelming evidence for any theory.

Question for you guys: How well do you think Crisis Core would have done if it was in Dissidia's place against MW2?


probably a little bit better, but not enough to win.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/8/2010 8:53:03 PM | message detail
I don't think RE4 is equipped to dish out 80%+ blowouts like most people are thinking. FFX already bombed against Viewtiful Joe. While Viewtiful Joe is stronger than Jet Grind Radio, I don't think it would get more than 60% on it. Added to the fact that RE4 is going to definitely be weaker than FFX and I don't see RE4 breaking 80%, but high 70s are possible.
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 11/8/2010 8:54:34 PM | message detail
Thinking about TWEWY..

Weren't Neku and Sho both better in the day? If TWEWY is a day game the night might give DR the win.
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Haste_2 | Posted 11/8/2010 8:57:07 PM | message detail
About Dead Rising... How many X-Box action games do good during the night, though? I can't think of any. I think RE gets 85ish percentage on Jet Grind Radio, because, well, it's an old Dreamcast game way past its prime.... I figure saying it's around GH2 in strength is more than generous.

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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/8/2010 8:58:22 PM | message detail
About Dead Rising... How many X-Box action games do good during the night, though? I can't think of any. I think RE gets 85ish percentage on Jet Grind Radio, because, well, it's an old Dreamcast game way past its prime.... I figure saying it's around GH2 in strength is more than generous.

After this match starts, I'll make up some trend charts for Frank West's two contest matches. Or maybe Leonhart will beat me to it.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/8/2010 9:00:16 PM | message detail
Resident Evil 4 63.64%

7
Jet Grind Radio 36.36%

4
TOTAL VOTES 11

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Master Moltar | Posted 11/8/2010 9:00:25 PM | message detail
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GrapefruitKing | Posted 11/8/2010 9:00:26 PM | message detail
ugly already
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Today's pick: AIM FOR THE HEAD - 83.34% Status:
charmander6000 | Posted 11/8/2010 9:00:44 PM | message detail
Resident Evil 4 84.25% 107
Jet Grind Radio 15.75% 20
TOTAL VOTES 127

This is awesome
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 11/8/2010 9:01:01 PM | message detail
lmao @ the early vote

Probably going to be blowout of the contest. At least people actually care about Guitar Hero II.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/8/2010 9:02:55 PM | message detail
Hmm, Jet Grind Radio ended up being weaker than I thought.

I think RE gets 85ish percentage on Jet Grind Radio, because, well, it's an old Dreamcast game way past its prime

That fact about it being a Dreamcast game would have convinced me that above 80% was possible, but my earlier claim that RE4 wouldn't break 80% was before I even knew Jet Grind Radio was a Dreamcast game.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 11/8/2010 9:03:00 PM | message detail
People should care about JGR

;_;
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NoDicePwn | Posted 11/8/2010 9:03:28 PM | message detail
Nah, its not gonna be anywhere close to blowout of the contest. It'll likely end up 80-20 or so. This is really sad though, Jet Grind Radio is the better game. But alas, Gamefaqs and gaming in general doesnt give a damn about the dreamcast
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/8/2010 9:04:43 PM | message detail
Nah, its not gonna be anywhere close to blowout of the contest. It'll likely end up 80-20 or so. This is really sad though, Jet Grind Radio is the better game. But alas, Gamefaqs and gaming in general doesnt give a damn about the dreamcast

Nah, Resident Evil 4 is an actual candidate for GotD.

Then again you're too afraid to play it.
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Haste_2 | Posted 11/8/2010 9:05:04 PM | message detail
It looks like RE4 won't be able to match what Melee did. The only other match I can think of with a small possibility of exceeding Melee's score is Zelda:MM at this point. (though I really doubt that)

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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/8/2010 9:05:07 PM | message detail
I'm actually impressed with JGR. I pretty much expected it to completely roll over and die.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/8/2010 9:06:06 PM | message detail
Failure freeze from RE4. Wanted 84+, but we'll see what the next updates bring.
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/8/2010 9:06:59 PM | message detail
Welcome to the 80% club, RE4.
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Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest.
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/8/2010 9:08:11 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4048
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4077

If JGR=SO3, then RE4 currently gets 64% on Metroid Prime. That's not bad.

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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/8/2010 9:08:41 PM | message detail
Those last 2 minutes of the board vote suggests that RE4 might drop next update.
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redrocket | Posted 11/8/2010 9:09:29 PM | message detail
If JGR=SO3, then RE4 currently gets 64% on Metroid Prime. That's not bad.

SO3 beats JGR easily.

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Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 11/8/2010 9:09:35 PM | message detail
Score-Brackets-% Right
38------9------------100.00
37------42----------97.62
36------229--------96.07
35------646--------95.05
34------1218------95.65
33------2204------93.74
32------3109------93.15
31------3496------91.19
30------3590------87.97
29------3498------86.42
28------3177------84.58
27------2622------83.94
26------2154------84.22
25------1633------81.94
24------1164------80.84
23------868--------76.50
22------576--------71.35
21------335--------74.03
20------209--------71.29
19------133--------63.16
18------99----------66.67
17------60----------50.00
16------30----------46.67
15------22----------36.36
14------16----------31.25
13------9------------11.11
12------8------------25.00
11------10----------20.00
10------20----------5.00
9--------11----------0.00
8--------22----------9.09
7--------13----------0.00
6--------12----------0.00
5--------6------------16.67
4--------2------------0.00
3--------5------------0.00
2--------7------------0.00
1--------16----------0.00
0--------34----------2.94

As you would expect, a really high prediction percentage today. Only the -1s manage to go perfect, though. The -2s to -5s do manage to stay above 95.

1 person fell off the Top 50 this time. ZayJay did not have FF9 beating PW3.
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NoDicePwn | Posted 11/8/2010 9:09:38 PM | message detail
Failure freeze from RE4. Wanted 84+, but we'll see what the next updates bring.

It'll go down. JGR doesn't seem like the kind of game early voters would like much at all. Hell, I don't think I've ever seen anyone else on the board who has ever talked about it.
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GrapefruitKing | Posted 11/8/2010 9:10:22 PM | message detail
decent enough jump
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Oracle contest - 37th
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 11/8/2010 9:10:41 PM | message detail
Over
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 11/8/2010 9:11:06 PM | message detail

From: NoDicePwn | #293
Hell, I don't think I've ever seen anyone else on the board who has ever talked about it.


**** you
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 11/8/2010 9:13:03 PM | message detail

From: TheKoolAidShoto | #296
Over


Calling it after only 10 minutes?
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 11/8/2010 9:14:41 PM | message detail

From: Not_Wylvane | #297
Calling it after only 10 minutes?


I know that has burned us in the past, but I'm feeling confident about this one. I think JGR is in too big of a hole to come back from this. We'll see what the night trends are.
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NoDicePwn | Posted 11/8/2010 9:17:21 PM | message detail
Talking about night votes, JGR should have the better one here, comparatively...... Sega and Dreamcast were always much more popular in Europe than the rest of the world, so it should have some pretty good Europe trends.
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